Poor Eric Gordon!

[pico04]

Looks Like The Hornets Rented Him For The Next Two Years....


I hope they get someone good out of that Minny Pick because I doubt Gordon stays....especially if he reaches his expected potential....


Damn NO Hornets/NBA Got A Steal For CP3!


CP3 & Blake should put together a pretty good show....and hopefully D. Jordan gets a boost like Tyson Chandler/David West/Emeka Okafor did....




But Still....Poor Eric Gordon.... :(

[nbawxy2010]

+1 was really hoping it'll be other assets not named eric gordon, would've been great if it was

Blake
Caron
CP3
Gordon
Dendre

but now its no great SG and 3 PGs? plus they lose the minny 1st round pick?

hoping this won't be true but looks like its done deal

:mad:

[itsjustcardboar]

the hornets are not that bad now. they picked up 2 starters, a fringe starter with really good athleticism, and what could be a top 5 pick next year.

[SelfDestruct808]

Clippers probably did Gordon what Lakers did to odom. Except clippers don't need to explain anything to Gordon since everything went smoothly. But I have a feeling that Gordon Will take less money after he's finishes playing with N.O. And play for the lakers.

[UltimateDeron]

+1 was really hoping it'll be other assets not named eric gordon, would've been great if it was

Blake
Caron
CP3
Gordon
Dendre

but now its no great SG and 3 PGs? plus they lose the minny 1st round pick?

hoping this won't be true but looks like its done deal

:mad:

This is what I don't get. It's actually 4 PG's (Bledsoe, Paul, Williams, Billups). Now Foye is their starting SG? I'd much rather have Billups, Williams, and Bledsoe at the point with Gordon at the SG than CP3 at the PG with Foye at the SG.

Just doesn't make sense to me. I hope Gordon flourishes with the Hornets, but man, his heart was in LA with the Clippers. They told him yesterday they wouldn't trade him and that they were building around him and Blake. Looks like they had a change of heart in less than 24 hours.

I heard on twitter that Gordon found out he was traded while on a fan bus taking a tour around LA. He got a text message. The players around him said he was really upset and sad about leaving the Clippers.

Ugh. I just wish the Clippers would have kept Gordon.

Again, this....

PG - Billups, Williams, Bledsoe
SG - Gordon, Foye
SF - Butler, Aminu
PF - Griffin, Thompkins
C - Jordan, Kaman

With Minnesota's 2012 1st round pick (potentially Drummond, Davis, Barnes, Lamb)

Looks alot better to me than this....

PG - Paul, Williams, Billups, Bledsoe
SG - Foye
SF - Butler
PF - Griffin, Thompkins
C - Jordan

Where's their depth? They traded it all away. Their starting SG might be the worst starting SG in the NBA. Their future was so bright with Gordon, Griffin, and the Minnesota pick, but now I just don't see it.

We'll see...

[crazymj]

I bet Eric gordon was hoping to be a Clippers for life. Now lets just hope that in 2 years, Clippers won't lose both griffin and Cp3, then we'd be really screwed. Clippers going all in this season!

Just checked online betting, +1500 Clippers to win it all odds is looking very tempting now. $100 to win $1500

[crazymj]

Can someone give s starting lineup and depth of Hornets now? Very curious to see how they stand and if there's a chance of playoffs for them.

[UltimateDeron]

Clippers probably did Gordon what Lakers did to odom. Except clippers don't need to explain anything to Gordon since everything went smoothly. But I have a feeling that Gordon Will take less money after he's finishes playing with N.O. And play for the lakers.
Keep dreaming...lol

If Gordon doesn't re up with New Orleans then he is headed home to play for the Pacers, or going to Chicago to play next to his highschool buddy Derrick Rose.

[GoClips!]

I hate seeing Eric Gordon go. Paul is going to walk in 2 years and then we'll see Gordon turn into the best SG in the league around the same time. BOO!

[UltimateDeron]

Can someone give s starting lineup and depth of Hornets now? Very curious to see how they stand and if there's a chance of playoffs for them.

Probably not. They might as well tank so they can get the #1 pick in the loaded 2012 draft. They now potentially could have the #1 and #2 picks in the draft since they have Minnesota's unprotected pick as well. That would be awesome if they somehoe got Andre Drummond and Harrison Barnes.

Anyways, their lineup...

PG - Jack
SG - Gordon, Bellinelli
SF - Ariza, Aminu, Pondexter
PF - Okafor, Landry (FA)
C - Kaman

They'll probably trade Kaman around the trade deadline he's an expiring contract.

[UltimateDeron]

I hate seeing Eric Gordon go. Paul is going to walk in 2 years and then we'll see Gordon turn into the best SG in the league around the same time. BOO!

This is exactly what I feel will happen. Good job Clippers :mad:

On the brightside (for me atleast), hopefully when Gordon's contract is up he forces a trade to the Bulls to play next to his buddy Derrick Rose. That would be the best backcourt in the league handsdown.

[GoClips!]

This is exactly what I feel will happen. Good job Clippers :mad:

On the brightside (for me atleast), hopefully when Gordon's contract is up he forces a trade to the Bulls to play next to his buddy Derrick Rose. That would be the best backcourt in the league handsdown.

Yeah, that absolutely would be the best backcourt in the league. I just see him ending up in Indy at this point...

[tigerace55]

Hence the unload on eric gordon , your talkin about a clipper . " Come on man " other then Blake ! " Come on man " .

[darscards35kd]

what will this do to gordons cards?

[nbawxy2010]

PG - Billups, Williams, Bledsoe
SG - Gordon, Foye
SF - Butler, Aminu
PF - Griffin, Thompkins
C - Jordan, Kaman

With Minnesota's 2012 1st round pick (potentially Drummond, Davis, Barnes, Lamb)

Looks alot better to me than this....

PG - Paul, Williams, Billups, Bledsoe
SG - Foye
SF - Butler
PF - Griffin, Thompkins
C - Jordan

Where's their depth? They traded it all away. Their starting SG might be the worst starting SG in the NBA. Their future was so bright with Gordon, Griffin, and the Minnesota pick, but now I just don't see it.

We'll see...

yeh, spot on, at work so not good to go look up rosters and line them up, where's the depth?

even with trade how good could bledsoe + billups get to fill 3 positions for the 2nd team?

could the NBA have strong armed clippers into this one?

clips went from take EJ or minny pick plus the others but not both, they walked away and said so publicly

don't tell me its coz of those two 2nd round draft picks, they're nuts if so

of coz minus foye 4 of the starters are very strong, but with no depth are they going to play the whole game? get injured? (blake, CP3, caron all had big stretches of injury in the past)

and if CP3 gets any injuries in the next 2 years and/or walks away after it the clips management would just look stupid, blake will probably walk out too

they had a good and decent PG in billups (a ring, nuff said) and williams (good playoff vet) with leadership presence for young but very talented blake, EJ and deandre

+++ a possibly up and coming PG (bledsoe) to back them up

now their future depends on 2 big ifs on CP3 (injury and walk after 2 yrs), pretty big risk

congrats to NO and their fans tho, think it was better than the lakers deal

[pico04]

Hornets are doing to the Clippers what the Lakers did to them....

They traded All Star Talent for a potential Super Star.....


I hope Gordon tears it up....Clipps got nervous and acted to quickly.....they just dont want to lose Blake....

[UltimateDeron]

yeh, spot on, at work so not good to go look up rosters and line them up, where's the depth?

even with trade how good could bledsoe + billups get to fill 3 positions for the 2nd team?

could the NBA have strong armed clippers into this one?

clips went from take EJ or minny pick plus the others but not both, they walked away and said so publicly

don't tell me its coz of those two 2nd round draft picks, they're nuts if so

of coz minus foye 4 of the starters are very strong, but with no depth are they going to play the whole game? get injured? (blake, CP3, caron all had big stretches of injury in the past)

and if CP3 gets any injuries in the next 2 years and/or walks away after it the clips management would just look stupid, blake will probably walk out too

they had a good and decent PG in billups (a ring, nuff said) and williams (good playoff vet) with leadership presence for young but very talented blake, EJ and deandre

+++ a possibly up and coming PG (bledsoe) to back them up

now their future depends on 2 big ifs on CP3 (injury and walk after 2 yrs), pretty big risk

congrats to NO and their fans tho, think it was better than the lakers deal

I don't know what else to say. You nailed it.

Many Clippers fans are worried about CP3's knee, as would I be. Caron Butler just came off knee surgery as well, and we all know about Blake's knee issue that kept him out an entire season.

With no depth at key positions they are really taking a chance with those players knees in a season where they will play many back to backs, and a few back to back to backs. Depth is a huge thing to have in a season like this. I guess Niel Olshey didn't get the memo.

I just don't get how they went from either the Minnesota pick or Gordon to both. Just makes no sense to me.

[boston77yankees]

Clippers got a big win here they do have buttler blake and cp3 with injuries in the past but they are healthy and look to be contenders on the west just face it clipper got better:)!:)!:flex::devil:

[sblez]

this is a superstar driven league...its all about the stars and big markets. I don't get what the point of the lockout was. The stars basically get to control where they play and will make 10's of millions of dollars.

[tupark82]

i think eric will get over it just fine. this is very early in his career. even if they managed to get cp w/ eric still on the team, they probably eventually end up losing eric to free agency anyway.

how long are the clippers going to say "future this" and "future that". when is it going to be now? they took care of now with this deal, and now is something the clippers really need with a superstar like griffin in their hands. cp is generally a loyal guy. everyone knows this was one of his preferred destinations, or else he would never agree to extend even an additional year. if things go well, which it should, i don't see why cp would walk. also, just because a team gets a draft pick it doesn't mean they always make the right choices, which means a good draft pick is nothing guaranteed. you go w/ the guaranteed every time instead of the gamble.

as for their sg situation, hello. it's called trades. the clippers are not done making moves. at least i would hope not given their lack of depth at the 4 and the 5. whether they amnesty mo, make trades, something will be done to make adjustments.

[nbawxy2010]

Clippers got a big win here they do have buttler blake and cp3 with injuries in the past but they are healthy and look to be contenders on the west just face it clipper got better:)!:)!:flex::devil:

Oh don't get me wrong, i've been rooting for the clilppers as the underdogs for a while now, its just that their "got better" and "big win" is possibly injury prone and a 2 years rental with no depth in 3 positions, a great SG gone replaced by a crap SG plus overload at PG

I really wanted them to do well this year to make postseason with only small injury issues, with caron & billups, good trade chips in aminu, kaman and bledsoe they were definitely in a good but not great position supported by solid depth

now they have a good to great 4/5 starters with CP3 being a great game changer, but at the cost of depth leading to increased injuries % to the starters? a nice win but at what price?

hehe if they do well, I'll happily make some nice $ with my NT blake RAPs

[gamboooler]

If Dwight Howard hits the free agent market next offseason, the Clippers can find a way to sign him (if he's willing to play for the Clippers, which I think he would). Just have to move some combo of Jordan, Butler, and Gomes and they'd have room for him.

[tupark82]

Video Of Griffin Jordan Reacting To Chris Paul News - RealGM Wiretap (http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/217545/Video_Of_Griffin_Jordan_Reacting_To_Chris_Paul_News)

i found this rather interesting.

[UltimateDeron]

what will this do to gordons cards?
So far many high BIN's have been clicked. I guess new Gordon collectors trying to start their PC's.

[pico04]

Truth is....If CP3 and Blake Stay Healthy....The Clipps are gonna make a run at the Playoffs and maybe cause an upset....

[thrasher1985]

I still think the Clippers got the short end of the stick on this trade & giving up EJ was a huge mistake. They might look better on paper with Chris but not enough to make any real run at a championship. The hectic schedule this season alone could very well magnify exactly why this trade is so lopsided when you really think about the impact it could have on the Clippers. Hope I'm wrong

[jr24ai3]

You do have to consider what Chris Paul has done with very little talent around him in NO. He makes everyone around him better. Everyone knows David West is nothing w/o Paul. Look at how good he made Chandler look. Now he at least has Griffin, DeAndre Jordan, and a few shooters around him in Billups and Williams and Butler. The Clippers will easily make the playoffs now. It was a lot to give up for him. But how often do you have a chance to get one of the top 3 PGs in the NBA? (Rose/Deron/CP3 in any order).

[pico04]

You do have to consider what Chris Paul has done with very little talent around him in NO. He makes everyone around him better. Everyone knows David West is nothing w/o Paul. Look at how good he made Chandler look. Now he at least has Griffin, DeAndre Jordan, and a few shooters around him in Billups and Williams and Butler. The Clippers will easily make the playoffs now. It was a lot to give up for him. But how often do you have a chance to get one of the top 3 PGs in the NBA? (Rose/Deron/CP3 in any order).


True but how often do you have the best Young SG and PF with All NBA Team Potential?

CP3 is worth alot....there is no doubt about that....but the Clips should have held out until the Trade Deadline and given up Bledsoe/Aminu/Kaman/Minny's 1st Round Pick...Especially if Minny sucked...which they probably will.


Rookie mistake....You dont give up the farm for 1 player if you dont have the means to pay to replace them....

Over the hill Billups and whomever else the clipps have at guard are nothing in comparison to EJ....even with CP3

[UltimateDeron]

If CP3 wanted to play for the Clippers so bad then why didn't they wait until the season was over and CP3 was a free agent? Make him prove he wants to play with the Clippers.

That way you get to keep Gordon and the Minnesota pick. This is just like the Melo to NY situation. The Knicks traded away all their depth to get Melo when they could have just signed him during free agency.

[jr24ai3]

True but how often do you have the best Young SG and PF with All NBA Team Potential?

CP3 is worth alot....there is no doubt about that....but the Clips should have held out until the Trade Deadline and given up Bledsoe/Aminu/Kaman/Minny's 1st Round Pick...Especially if Minny sucked...which they probably will.


Rookie mistake....You dont give up the farm for 1 player if you dont have the means to pay to replace them....

Over the hill Billups and whomever else the clipps have at guard are nothing in comparison to EJ....even with CP3

I heard they wouldn't be able to afford long term max deals to Paul/Gordon/Griffin anyway.

[thrasher1985]

You do have to consider what Chris Paul has done with very little talent around him in NO. He makes everyone around him better. Everyone knows David West is nothing w/o Paul. Look at how good he made Chandler look. Now he at least has Griffin, DeAndre Jordan, and a few shooters around him in Billups and Williams and Butler. The Clippers will easily make the playoffs now. It was a lot to give up for him. But how often do you have a chance to get one of the top 3 PGs in the NBA? (Rose/Deron/CP3 in any order).


I Just think Clippers would've made the playoffs the next 2 years anyway without CP3 (don't think they'd get too deep whether EJ or CP3 were/are on the roster) so it amounts, IMO, to getting rid of too much for the exact same result in the end.

[tupark82]

obviously, cp has shown a willingness to want to be w/ the clips. he absolutely did not have to extend another year with them. the main reason he wouldn't extend beyond another year with ANYONE is because he wouldn't get the best new contract possible within the new cba guidelines. the reason the clips didn't wait on cp is because they are obviously not the only suitors for cp, and they certainly aren't the only destination cp has in mind. and of course, hornets are going to trade cp otherwise they end up with nothing.

melo situation is completely different. everyone knew melo only wanted to go to the knicks. that is not necessarily the case w/ cp.

[nbawxy2010]

So far many high BIN's have been clicked. I guess new Gordon collectors trying to start their PC's.

cool, got his authentic rc red foil auto :)!

[pico04]

Top 5 SG: Wade - Bryant - Ellis - Gordon - Martin

Top 5 PG: Rose - Williams - Paul - Rondo - Westbrook

Top 5 PF: Nowitzki - Gasol - Stoudemire - Griffin - Randolph

Projected Top 5 Picks 2012 NBA Draft: A. Drummond (PF) - J. Lamb (SG) - A. Davis (PF) - H. Barnes (SF) - J Sullinger (PF)


The Clipps went from:

The 4th Best SG and 4th Best PF & Potential Top 5 Pick w/ a deep bench with (2) Vet PG

to

The 3rd Best PG and 4th Best PF No Top 5 Pick and a week bench loaded with Point Guards


CP3 is a beast....but I think the Clipps where better off before this deal....


Damn...Good for The NBA Hornets...They can bounce back talent wise faster than The Cavs did....they will suck this year and earn a Potential Top Pick along with Minny's pick potential Top Pick to pair up with Gordon.....


Haha....whats sucks even more is that the Clipps gave the Cavs Kyrie Irving....

Jordan
Griffin
Gordon
Aminu
Irving

That would have been pretty sweet....

[UltimateDeron]

Chris Paul said just last week that he wanted to play with Eric Gordon and Blake Griffin, so he had to be a little upset that the 22 PPG scorer is no longer on the team. Obviously he'll get over it since he has Griffin and Jordan to throw lob passes to. Right now they say Billups will start at SG. I'm not sure how that's going to work out as Chauncey has played PG his entire career. It could work though.

I think Paul would have signed with the Clippers if he became a free agent since they had the cap space to sign him to a max deal. Not very many teams that he wanted to play for had the cap space. The Knicks didn't, nor did the Lakers.

Good post pico04. I agree with you man.

[BeingJustin]

So far many high BIN's have been clicked. I guess new Gordon collectors trying to start their PC's.

Wait untill the guy who paid $300 for the Bowman Chrome Gold Auto finds a scratch on the front. Seller told me that on the forums and thought I was someone else on ebay and didn't tell me there. Basiclly he thought I was friends with the person that offered him $200 (which was me) he told me there was a scratch and the buyer was aware of it which I wasn't. I ended the deal there :)!

[jr24ai3]

What it comes down to is you need at least 2 big stars to have a shot at winning. Chris Paul is a Top 10 player, Griffin is a top 15 player. I feel right now, Eric Gordon isn't in the top 25. He could prove me wrong, but he seems more like a Ben Gordon type, just not as selfish. He is a good shooter, but is a little undersized for his position. He does try on defense, but his size will always hold him back. He can't rebound very well, and turns it over a lot for a shooter.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Gordon blows. I just think he is a good 3rd option on a team. I don't think you can win a title if he is the 2nd best player on the team.

[UltimateDeron]

What it comes down to is you need at least 2 big stars to have a shot at winning. Chris Paul is a Top 10 player, Griffin is a top 15 player. I feel right now, Eric Gordon isn't in the top 25. He could prove me wrong, but he seems more like a Ben Gordon type, just not as selfish. He is a good shooter, but is a little undersized for his position. He does try on defense, but his size will always hold him back. He can't rebound very well, and turns it over a lot for a shooter.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Gordon blows. I just think he is a good 3rd option on a team. I don't think you can win a title if he is the 2nd best player on the team.

You're entitled to your own opinion, but last season when healthy Gordon and Griffin averaged over 20 PPG's. Only 3 teams had duo's overage over 20 a game... the Thunder, the Heat, and the Clippers. Obviously Gordon and Griffin were the youngest of the bunch and they only played 56 games together. They were headed towards the destination that the Thunder are at now, especially with the additions they made this year with Billups and Butler.

Also, saying Gordon is undersized is a little off. He has a 6'9" wingspan and is his body type is huge for a SG. He's not like a Kevin Martin or Monta Ellis. He's built like a tank. Gordon (6'3", 225) is much like Dwyane Wade (6'4", 220) and I never hear that Wade is undersized for the SG position.

[tupark82]

also, u want to talk about rental, billups is a true rental. unless something happens where things work out so well that billups wishes to go nowhere else, billups is likely out of there after this season.

again, they still have pieces to amnesty or trade. this is an abbreviated season and these guys have had no time to work anything out. anything can happen this season in reality... either way, i think these are truly exciting times for both franchises and for once, the clippers took a chance that can forever remove their names off the list of nba team jokes.

i really think eric has a bright future w/ the hornets, as long as the hornets kill in the next draft, while tanking this season.

[tupark82]

I forgot the fact that Monty Williams is the coach for the Hornets... I personally think he is a terrible coach that has poor decision making ability. Best fit to be an assistant. I hope they get rid of him after this season is up...

[nbawxy2010]

What it comes down to is you need at least 2 big stars to have a shot at winning. Chris Paul is a Top 10 player, Griffin is a top 15 player. I feel right now, Eric Gordon isn't in the top 25. He could prove me wrong, but he seems more like a Ben Gordon type, just not as selfish. He is a good shooter, but is a little undersized for his position. He does try on defense, but his size will always hold him back. He can't rebound very well, and turns it over a lot for a shooter.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Gordon blows. I just think he is a good 3rd option on a team. I don't think you can win a title if he is the 2nd best player on the team.

what you are saying makes sense but with no depth its hard to compete for a title as well, injuries could even derail making postseason, the remaining "trade chips" on clips arent great, how much cap would clips have in the next few years?

[jr24ai3]

You're entitled to your own opinion, but last season when healthy Gordon and Griffin averaged over 20 PPG's. Only 3 teams had duo's overage over 20 a game... the Thunder, the Heat, and the Clippers. Obviously Gordon and Griffin were the youngest of the bunch and they only played 56 games together. They were headed towards the destination that the Thunder are at now, especially with the additions they made this year with Billups and Butler.

Also, saying Gordon is undersized is a little off. He has a 6'9" wingspan and is his body type is huge for a SG. He's not like a Kevin Martin or Monta Ellis. He's built like a tank. Gordon (6'3", 225) is much like Dwyane Wade (6'4", 220) and I never hear that Wade is undersized for the SG position.

When Gordon and Griffin both played, the Clippers were a sub-500 team at roughly 25-31. Scoring is great but I think the Clippers need someone who can control the game like Chris Paul. He can run the floor when the have opportunities, but he is also a stud in the 1/2 court offense. Can you imagine the pick and roll game with him and Griffin? And what if Griffin ever develops a decent jump shot?

I hope Gordon proves me wrong and takes off in New Orleans and averages 25-27ppg. I have nothing against the guy, I just feel he is a bit overrated.

I do think Wade is undersized. He takes a beating the way he plays which will definitely shorten his career a bit. That's why i'm hoping Rose gets some more help this year from Boozer/Hamilton so he doesn't continue to take a pounding like he did last year.

[jr24ai3]

what you are saying makes sense but with no depth its hard to compete for a title as well, injuries could even derail making postseason, the remaining "trade chips" on clips arent great, how much cap would clips have in the next few years?

Agree, depth will hurt them this year, especially with playing 4 games in 5 days. Hopefully they can show free agents that they are only a few pieces away and can attract a few nice role players next year.

[bbplaya11]

You do have to consider what Chris Paul has done with very little talent around him in NO. He makes everyone around him better. Everyone knows David West is nothing w/o Paul. Look at how good he made Chandler look. Now he at least has Griffin, DeAndre Jordan, and a few shooters around him in Billups and Williams and Butler. The Clippers will easily make the playoffs now. It was a lot to give up for him. But how often do you have a chance to get one of the top 3 PGs in the NBA? (Rose/Deron/CP3 in any order).

I agree cp3 makes the players around him better but then I think west will have a great yr in indy without paul, and tyson had a great yr in dallas without paul

[lakernation10]

I hope Gordon proves me wrong and takes off in New Orleans and averages 25-27ppg. I have nothing against the guy, I just feel he is a bit overrated.



Ok you just said Wade is undersized. Whats normal size for a sg?

Now you say Eric Gordon is overrated?? JUST STOP NOW:)!

[washingtonmark]

I agree that Eric Gordon is overrated, he is another Jameer Nelson.

Somebody with ball skills that can score without a problem, but isn't really a dynamic all NBA type player.

With that said I think the Hornets did get the better end of the deal cause with west leaving there was 0% chance of CP3 staying after this year. Plus he has some nagging injuries that will bother him atleast somewhat for the rest of his career.

[nissandriver77]

I would trade 5 Gordons for 1 CP3.

[limitedplay]

truth is they really traded Gordon and a number 1 for CP3. THose other guys are worthless anyway.
BLedsoe is a natural shooting guard while short, they do have Foye and also Jamerio Moon who can give minutes. I also don't see why Billups cant start at shooting guard?

1. CP3
2. Billups
3.Butler
4. Griffin
5. Jordan

Looks pretty similar to what the Mavericks did last year. Maybe better actually. Dont forget someone else will be stepping up with all that talent Im pretty sure. Not hard to look good with all that talent around you.

[XARZY]

People gotta stop complaining about the Clipps side of the deal without even watching a single game, let alone a single practice! Wait till the season starts AND THEN start criticizing this trade. TILL THEN WHO CARES!!

[whiteboybill]

Keep dreaming...lol

If Gordon doesn't re up with New Orleans then he is headed home to play for the Pacers, or going to Chicago to play next to his highschool buddy Derrick Rose.

+1.....EJ would be the missing piece the Bulls need for multiple championships!!!! The combo of Rose and EJ on the Bulls would be lethal!!!

[tupark82]

+1.....EJ would be the missing piece the Bulls need for multiple championships!!!! The combo of Rose and EJ on the Bulls would be lethal!!!

it's nice to dream. it will never happen unless we're talking about many years down the line when they are 30+

[jr24ai3]

+1.....EJ would be the missing piece the Bulls need for multiple championships!!!! The combo of Rose and EJ on the Bulls would be lethal!!!

Yes, he would be a great piece in the Bulls lineup. It would be Rose as the #1 with Boozer/Deng/Gordon as your 2nd options. I think to win you either need 1 big star with 3 or 4 guys like Boozers/Dengs/Jason Terry/Marion, or you need 2 big time stars. I think Gordon can be a big contributor on a championship team. I just don't think he will ever be a huge go to superstar.

[whiteboybill]

Yes, he would be a great piece in the Bulls lineup. It would be Rose as the #1 with Boozer/Deng/Gordon as your 2nd options. I think to win you either need 1 big star with 3 or 4 guys like Boozers/Dengs/Jason Terry/Marion, or you need 2 big time stars. I think Gordon can be a big contributor on a championship team. I just don't think he will ever be a huge go to superstar.

I think EJ would be the perfect Robin to Rose as Batman!!!!

[tupark82]

This is what I don't get. It's actually 4 PG's (Bledsoe, Paul, Williams, Billups). Now Foye is their starting SG? I'd much rather have Billups, Williams, and Bledsoe at the point with Gordon at the SG than CP3 at the PG with Foye at the SG.

Just doesn't make sense to me. I hope Gordon flourishes with the Hornets, but man, his heart was in LA with the Clippers. They told him yesterday they wouldn't trade him and that they were building around him and Blake. Looks like they had a change of heart in less than 24 hours.

I heard on twitter that Gordon found out he was traded while on a fan bus taking a tour around LA. He got a text message. The players around him said he was really upset and sad about leaving the Clippers.

Ugh. I just wish the Clippers would have kept Gordon.

Again, this....

PG - Billups, Williams, Bledsoe
SG - Gordon, Foye
SF - Butler, Aminu
PF - Griffin, Thompkins
C - Jordan, Kaman

With Minnesota's 2012 1st round pick (potentially Drummond, Davis, Barnes, Lamb)

Looks alot better to me than this....

PG - Paul, Williams, Billups, Bledsoe
SG - Foye
SF - Butler
PF - Griffin, Thompkins
C - Jordan

Where's their depth? They traded it all away. Their starting SG might be the worst starting SG in the NBA. Their future was so bright with Gordon, Griffin, and the Minnesota pick, but now I just don't see it.

We'll see...

i assume this was referring to foye? just curious what makes u say that

[jr24ai3]

I'm pretty sure Keith Bogans is in the conversation for the worst starting shooting guard.

[tupark82]

Foye started for the clippers when Gordon was out. in 16 starts last season, this is what he did: 16ppg/2rb/4ast/1.3stl/0.5blk/2.3to/2treys/41.4% fg/94.4% ft.

[crazymj]

Foye started for the clippers when Gordon was out. in 16 starts last season, this is what he did: 16ppg/2rb/4ast/1.3stl/0.5blk/2.3to/2treys/41.4% fg/94.4% ft.

Yea foye had good stats, too bad they couldn't win any games.

[UltimateDeron]

I'm pretty sure Keith Bogans is in the conversation for the worst starting shooting guard.

Bogans is no longer the Bulls starting SG. He's not even on the team. Richard Hamilton will start at SG, and Ronnie Brewer will be his backup.

[Burt-Reynolds]

Gordon is a great player and terrific shooter. However he benefited greatly playing on a team where players were running double teams and packing the paint on Griffin. We'll see how he does being the focus of every teams defense that they play. I would imagine this will be a down year for Gordon.

[UltimateDeron]

i assume this was referring to foye? just curious what makes u say that

Yes. We'll see this season just how good Foye is, but I can bet you there won't be too many starting SG's that are worse than him.

Here's a rundown.

Teams in the East...

76ers: Iguodala - Better than Foye
Celtics: Allen - Better than Foye
Nets: Morrow - Better than Foye
Knicks: Fields - Better than Foye
Raptors: DeRozan - Better than Foye
Bulls: Hamilton - Better than Foye
Pacers: George - Better than Foye
Cavaliers: Parker - Better than Foye (Barely... You could make the argument Foye is better than him)
Pistons: Gordon - Better than Foye
Bucks: Jackson - Better than Foye
Hawks: Johnson - Better than Foye
Bobcats: Henderson - Better than Foye (Or Kemba... Better than Foye)
Heat: Wade - Better than Foye
Magic: Richardson - Better than Foye
Wizards: Crawford - Better than Foye

Well, that's all the teams in the East.

Onto the West...

Mavericks: Carter - Better than Foye (Barely... because he has more size)
Rockets: Martin - Better than Foye
Grizzlies: Mayo - Better than Foye
Hornets: Gordon - Better than Foye
Spurs: Ginobili - Better than Foye
Nuggets: Afflalo - Better than Foye
Timberwolves: Johnson - Better than Foye
Thunder: Harden - Better than Foye (He should start over Thabo)
Blazers: Matthews/Crawford - Both Better than Foye
Jazz: Bell/Burks - Neither are Better than Foye
Warriors: Ellis - Better than Foye
Clippers: Foye - Equal to Foye ;)
Lakers: Bryant - Better than Foye
Suns: Brown - Not Better than Foye
Kings: Evans - Better than Foye

So that means that 2 to 3 teams have worse starting SG's than Randy Foye. It all depends on if he starts. Some are saying that Billups will start at SG, which if he does he will playing out of position and their backcourt will be one of the smallest, most unathletic backcourts in the league.

[mikecuh]

It's reported that they will play Chauncey Billups at SG. Call me crazy but I see that working. Billups is a winner, he will make it work.

[jr24ai3]

Bogans is no longer the Bulls starting SG. He's not even on the team. Richard Hamilton will start at SG, and Ronnie Brewer will be his backup.

I know he's gone. I thought they were talking about worst starting SGs ever.

[tupark82]

Yes. We'll see this season just how good Foye is, but I can bet you there won't be too many starting SG's that are worse than him.

Here's a rundown.

Teams in the East...

76ers: Iguodala - Better than Foye
Celtics: Allen - Better than Foye
Nets: Morrow - Better than Foye (on what grounds? morrow does nothing but shoot and still could only muster 13ppg on a depleted roster)
Knicks: Fields - Better than Foye (on what grounds? he's certainly not the scorer foye is. better rebounder sure. taller, but foye's defense isn't that bad enough to say u should overlook foye's ability on offense for fields defense)
Raptors: DeRozan - Better than Foye(better scorer yes. remains to be seen how much better though, and he does almost NOTHING else)
Bulls: Hamilton - Better than Foye
Pacers: George - Better than Foye (on what grounds??? potential?)
Cavaliers: Parker - Better than Foye (Barely... You could make the argument Foye is better than him) (lol u serious? parker??)
Pistons: Gordon - Better than Foye (better scorer, but after the past few seasons, he's got some provin to do b4 sayin he's better than anybody.. have u seen his production??)
Bucks: Jackson - Better than Foye
Hawks: Johnson - Better than Foye
Bobcats: Henderson - Better than Foye (Or Kemba... Better than Foye)(we'll see about this one. i do like henderson)
Heat: Wade - Better than Foye
Magic: Richardson - Better than Foye
Wizards: Crawford - Better than Foye (we'll see. crawford hasn't proven anything)

Well, that's all the teams in the East. (i dispute 7 of your claims)

Onto the West...

Mavericks: Carter - Better than Foye (Barely... because he has more size)
Rockets: Martin - Better than Foye
Grizzlies: Mayo - Better than Foye (isn't mayo on the bench?)
Hornets: Gordon - Better than Foye
Spurs: Ginobili - Better than Foye
Nuggets: Afflalo - Better than Foye (how?)
Timberwolves: Johnson - Better than Foye (jokes)
Thunder: Harden - Better than Foye (He should start over Thabo) (absolutely agree)
Blazers: Matthews/Crawford - Both Better than Foye
Jazz: Bell/Burks - Neither are Better than Foye
Warriors: Ellis - Better than Foye
Clippers: Foye - Equal to Foye ;)
Lakers: Bryant - Better than Foye
Suns: Brown - Not Better than Foye
Kings: Evans - Better than Foye

So that means that 2 to 3 teams have worse starting SG's than Randy Foye. It all depends on if he starts. Some are saying that Billups will start at SG, which if he does he will playing out of position and their backcourt will be one of the smallest, most unathletic backcourts in the league.

that's a good amount of work u did so i thought it was only fair that i put my thoughts in them too. by my count, i dispute about 11 of your claims. add your 2-3, and that's about a little more than half the league that definitively has better sgs than if foye were to start. i just don't see how your assessments on who's better than foye was warranted, esp. if foye was to start w/ a great lineup like this. this doesn't really matter because i honestly think billups will start. at the same time, if foye had a starting gig, he'd be more than serviceable. it's really too bad. the guy just could not figure out whether he should be a pg or sg, and neither could his teams.

[UltimateDeron]

Ugh... Jim... How could you even question whether or not Randy friggin' Foye is better than DeMar Derozan or Arron Afflalo? It's not even close. I like Foye. I used to collect him when he came out of Villanova (pastmyshades can vouche for me here), but the guy is no where close to DeRozan, Afflalo, George, and a few others that you questioned. Obviously you're entitled to your own opinion here so we'll have to agree to disagree.

Billups will probably be the starter anyways, so this debate is pointless.

[UltimateDeron]

I know he's gone. I thought they were talking about worst starting SGs ever.

Oh... haha... No, I just meant for this coming season. Bogans might be in the running for worst ever though :)!

[jr24ai3]

Oh... haha... No, I just meant for this coming season. Bogans might be in the running for worst ever though :)!

I'm thrilled Bogans is gone. How can you have a guy start when you don't think he's good enough to play at the end of games? Probably the only starter I can remember who averages under 20mpg.

[tupark82]

I'm thrilled Bogans is gone. How can you have a guy start when you don't think he's good enough to play at the end of games? Probably the only starter I can remember who averages under 20mpg.

but the bulls were 31-2 when bogans scored 6 or more!!! lol....

[tupark82]

Ugh... Jim... How could you even question whether or not Randy friggin' Foye is better than DeMar Derozan or Arron Afflalo? It's not even close. I like Foye. I used to collect him when he came out of Villanova (pastmyshades can vouche for me here), but the guy is no where close to DeRozan, Afflalo, George, and a few others that you questioned. Obviously you're entitled to your own opinion here so we'll have to agree to disagree.

Billups will probably be the starter anyways, so this debate is pointless.

lol all i'm saying is, those players have a lot more to prove b4 anyone can claim that they are better than if randy foye were to start. u can't deny me the fact that derozan seriously does nothing other than score. w/ afflalo, it's perception about how valuable he is right now, more than anything. he hit some clutch shots last season and i think that invigorated his value. we'll see wat he does this season. he also gives u next to nothing in terms of statistics other than one season of efficient scoring. i like him as a tough defender though. more of a glue guy really.

i don't know why u think he's so bad. he's not great by any means. i just think you went super over the top in judging him tho thats all.

[suki24]

Normally, I'd say two short PG/SG combo wouldn't work but Dallas proved me wrong with JKidd and the Jet running the show.

[AMAballa801]

I'm not a huge Gordon fan, and I love Cp3, I think best pure PG in league. My favorite is Rose though. I can't seem to think how bad of a deal it is for both sides.

Gordon will be gone in 2 years. I heard there was rumors he was having second thoughts about staying with the Clips cause his family wanted him closer to home.

And what if Minnesota actually wins some games and their pick is not as high as we thought? Then what? You traded for Aminu and a late lottery pick and rented Gordon for two years. Maybe one, if he forces his way out next year.

I love CP3 so I won't say Clips got screwed but if I were running the Clippers no way I was giving Gordon up. The Hornets had to trade him. Eventually they would've caved into demands.
Cp3, Gordon, Butler, Griffin, Jordan would have been top 3 in West and a serious contender. Now I think top 4 with, Lakers falling off a bit, but not a serious contender with the Thunder and Mavs.

I do think Blake will be a better player, MVP maybe, with Gordon and Kaman gone and CP3 giving him nice passes. We may see the Blake effect again.

[Sickcards]

I'm not a huge Gordon fan, and I love Cp3, I think best pure PG in league. My favorite is Rose though. I can't seem to think how bad of a deal it is for both sides.

Gordon will be gone in 2 years. I heard there was rumors he was having second thoughts about staying with the Clips cause his family wanted him closer to home.

And what if Minnesota actually wins some games and their pick is not as high as we thought? Then what? You traded for Aminu and a late lottery pick and rented Gordon for two years. Maybe one, if he forces his way out next year.

I love CP3 so I won't say Clips got screwed but if I were running the Clippers no way I was giving Gordon up. The Hornets had to trade him. Eventually they would've caved into demands.
Very well said buddy
Cp3, Gordon, Butler, Griffin, Jordan would have been top 3 in West and a serious contender. Now I think top 4 with Lakers falling off a bit but not a serious contender with the Thunder and Mavs.

I do think Blake will be a better player with Gordon and Kaman gone and CP3 giving him nice passes. We may see the Blake effect again.. Very well said buddy

[clipperboy24]

Ugh... Jim... How could you even question whether or not Randy friggin' Foye is better than DeMar Derozan or Arron Afflalo? It's not even close. I like Foye. I used to collect him when he came out of Villanova (pastmyshades can vouche for me here), but the guy is no where close to DeRozan, Afflalo, George, and a few others that you questioned. Obviously you're entitled to your own opinion here so we'll have to agree to disagree.

Billups will probably be the starter anyways, so this debate is pointless.

yep, Foye has no shot at starting, they already said its Billups and he is a shoot first PG and a very strong guy for his size so I think it will work well. I guess they played really well together as the 1 and 2 at the Worlds (Paul and Billups that is).

[pico04]

Atleast the clips thought ahead in reagrds to the Billups/CP3 Combo....They could do well


Not to sure how EJ is undersized?....if that the case 4-5 Top 5 SG are "Undersized"....So if anything its good that he is "Undersized"....lol!

[AMAballa801]

I like Ultimate Derons take. Randy Foye worst starting 2 guard in league - lol. Yeah I wouldn't want him as a starting 2 guard.

Tupark, you're saying Randy Foye is better than half of the starting 2 guards in the League? How are you even arguing Afflalo? As a Lakers fan I'll take Shannon Brown over Foye any day of the week.

I agree with Anthony Marrow.

Vince is old but I'll take Vince in a wheel chair over Foye

I'm from Utah and the Jazz just signed Josh Howard and are putting Gordon Hayward at the 2. So another better than Foye.

You're entitled to your opinion but Randy Foye would have to be one of the worst starting 2 guards in the League. But from what reports are Billups is the starting 2.

[tupark82]

i believe about one 3rd of the sgs would be debatable. what makes you think randy foye is so horrible if given the chance, esp. for a team that will have so many options that will allow foye more one on one opportunities? is foye unable to spot up for 3s? is he unable to create? is he a horrible defender? why would foye be so bad? i'd like an explanation and then decide if the explanations are worth me rethinking my thoughts about foye.

Edit: again, this is pretty pointless... lol. but i don't mind the debate.

2nd Edit: I made a mistake in my previous post when i stated Foye's averages. I had stated his averages were over 16 starts but in fact, they were over 24 starts. This is not to say I believe Foye can sustain this level of play for an entire season(well who knows though), but something within this range is entirely within reach, and if you think otherwise, I want to know why.

24 Starts last season, 35mpg: 41.4%fg/94.4%fg(on almost 4 attempts!) /2treys/16ppg/2rb/4ast/1.3stl/0.5blk/2.3to

you tell me how different those stats compare to what EJ did in his first 2 seasons w/ the clippers. as a matter of fact, that sample of what foye did makes him almost a near carbon copy of EJ his first 2 seasons, even in their size and frame(both are 6ft3-6ft4, 215lbs). Ok. lets hear your side of the argument, instead of just saying all these players are clearly better starts over foye w/out any logical explanation.

[pico04]

At no point was or is Randy Foye a "Carbon Copy" of Eric Gordon....not even close....lol!


Remember that EJ is 22 Yrs Old and is putting numbers up comparable to Kobe Bryant @ 22:

25.2 points, 5.5 rebounds, and 5.5 assists per game (Kobe)

23.3 points, 2.9 rebounds, and 4.4 assist per game (Gordon)

I could only imagine what Gordon would have been able to do with a more mature Blake in the paint....But I guess Okafor will have to do....lol!


Gordon was the centerpiece in the trade for CP3....whichs makes his value overall very clear....Stern passed up Kevin Martin/Odom for EJ

Foye is not even given a chance to replace EJ....The Clipps are asking an Over The Hill Former All Star PG to transition to SG....That clearly shows how good Foye is at SG....

Foye had a Player Effiency Rating (PER) of 11.43 which ranked him behind 52 other Shooting Guards....

EJ's PER was 18.56...Good for 6th best behind Wade, Kobe, Manu, Martin & Ellis



Clearly CP3 can potentially assist in making Foye better but as a 5th-6th option I cant imagine at 28 that Foye will put up any better numbers than he has already....

I wouldnt say he would be the "Worst Starting SG" in the NBA....But Damn he would be close....

[tupark82]

At no point was or is Randy Foye a "Carbon Copy" of Eric Gordon....not even close....lol!


Remember that EJ is 22 Yrs Old and is putting numbers up comparable to Kobe Bryant @ 22:

25.2 points, 5.5 rebounds, and 5.5 assists per game (Kobe)

23.3 points, 2.9 rebounds, and 4.4 assist per game (Gordon)

I could only imagine what Gordon would have been able to do with a more mature Blake in the paint....But I guess Okafor will have to do....lol!


Gordon was the centerpiece in the trade for CP3....whichs makes his value overall very clear....Stern passed up Kevin Martin/Odom for EJ

Foye is not even given a chance to replace EJ....The Clipps are asking an Over The Hill Former All Star PG to transition to SG....That clearly shows how good Foye is at SG....

Foye had a Player Effiency Rating (PER) of 11.43 which ranked him behind 52 other Shooting Guards....

EJ's PER was 18.56...Good for 6th best behind Wade, Kobe, Manu, Martin & Ellis



Clearly CP3 can potentially assist in making Foye better but as a 5th-6th option I cant imagine at 28 that Foye will put up any better numbers than he has already....

I wouldnt say he would be the "Worst Starting SG" in the NBA....But Damn he would be close....

sheesh. clearly, you didn't read anything i wrote, and u also missed the point of me taking a sample from last season when foye started instead of taking his overall PER. this is silliness. you're talking about gordon's numbers from this past season while i'm talking about his first 2 seasons. i didn't compare foye's starting averages from last season to last season's ej, i compared it to his first 2 seasons.

and how is billups "over the hill"? he misses one playoff series due to injury last season and all of a sudden people forget that he's been a crucial pg for a playoff team in every season over the past decade, not to mention there was never a real drop off in production even last season. ur talkin about him like he's some kind of last resort option, which is ridiculous. u need to realize that the clippers were willing to part w/ EJ BECAUSE of their acquisition of billups and knowing he could replace him.

[pico04]

sheesh. clearly, you didn't read anything i wrote, and u also missed the point of me taking a sample from last season when foye started instead of taking his overall PER. this is silliness. you're talking about gordon's numbers from this past season while i'm talking about his first 2 seasons. i didn't compare foye's starting averages from last season to last season's ej, i compared it to his first 2 seasons.

and how is billups "over the hill"? he misses one playoff series due to injury last season and all of a sudden people forget that he's been a crucial pg for a playoff team in every season over the past decade, not to mention there was never a real drop off in production even last season. ur talkin about him like he's some kind of last resort option, which is ridiculous. u need to realize that the clippers were willing to part w/ EJ BECAUSE of their acquisition of billups and knowing he could replace him.


haha....I guess I just didnt like the idea of "Foye" being compared to EJ favorably.... :p


And at 35 Billups is "Over The Hill"....He is being asked to transition to SG and be the 3rd-4th Option on what will be a Fast Passed Team....He will produce and should be a great "Clutch" player for them but he is a short term solution for a problem that wont be resolved for awhile....It will be difficult to replace EJ....


The Clipps clearly are focused to build around there Big Men and they did a fantastic job in getting a Floor General that will make them considerably better based on his reputation so I could see why its ok to give up a potential Elite SG....I just hope it works....But like I stated in the title of the thread...."Poor Eric Gordon"....lol!

[lakernation10]

Does anyone know if EJ will be playing tomorrow?