Is Sam Bradford going to weather the hobby storm?

[ziegxler]

Last year, i spent about $5k on football wax, hoping to pull the ultimate tebow/bradford. When i saw bradfords drop in price after his dreadful start, even then i was still in disbelief that hobby love could fade so fast--so i started snatching his cards up -- hoping for a rebound.

What are the chances he will rebound in 2012? More so, what are the chances he wins a super bowl?

[HBMC]

If his O-Line could stay healthy and they draft a good WR this year (hopefully Justin Blackmon), he'll be fine. He did awful this year because he has been getting the crap beaten out of him all year. The only legitimate WR target he has is Brandon Lloyd (which he's be able to play on the field with once? Twice?). Lance Kendricks and Michael Hoomanawanui are decent not great, Amendola got hurt early, Pettis and Salas have done little. Steven Jackson missed most of Sam's games. It's hard to put a lot of the struggles on Bradford.

I won't pretend to know if he can win an SB or not, a lot of that depends on whether the D holds up too. Don't get too antsy with him, Peyton Manning was rough in his first couple of seasons (albeit not injured).

[wheeler281]

There were questions before he was even drafted. I am not sure St Louis's situation will make those questions go away so I say NO

[SelfDestruct808]

Injuries hurt them this year. They also didnt have a Go-To receiver till Lloyd showed up but I think they need to draft a Legit WR or some OLine. I saw a few of their games this season and it looked like they had more punts than completions. Steven Jackson is a great back, I wonder how'd he done with a great OLine.

[ziegxler]

From what i am seeing we got 1 there is chance, 1 can go either way, 1 no.

Do they have the brain power upstairs to make it happen? My deepest concern is Josh McDaniels. I think he is a moron, and he is calling all the offensive shots.

[Razorsharp79]

There were questions before he was even drafted. I am not sure St Louis's situation will make those questions go away so I say NO

I agree, and this hobby is all about what have you done for me lately. Bradford in the few games I watched him play this season looked horrible even with time in the pocket. Next season is a very important year for him value wise in the hobby IMO...

[gonygo]

people who took the chance at buying cheap now will be very very happy or very very sad. Kids got alot of talent, team was a dissaster n the coach will probably get the axe. Maybe a new coach n some solid weapons help revive. Im kinda really wanting to get one of those ram heads from nt cause if he does well like crazy eddie, his prices will be insane!

[lb_sa]

I think he bounces back for sure.

[pjcowboy]

He is on a bad team and he is injury prone so odds are a quick return on your investment points to no, but if you are willing to hold out 60-40 on him making it but it wont be until after next year imo.

[01Sajman01]

He reminds me alot of David Carr and Trent Edwards. The talent and raw physical skills are there but once you take too many hits the mind goes subconciously and you become a frightened child in the pocket. Its a gamble and not one that I would make, however, if the Rams end up with pick #2 they will take Matt Kalil which will go a very long way towards protecting Bradford.

[ninjacookies]

I'm going to have to say no. And I think the Rams are going to be rebuilding for quite a long time.

Good luck.

[guru]

I think he will weather it.

That is why I am buying up his autographed rookies at these cheap prices as fast I can get them. :)!:D:devil:

[achilles01987]

He will bounce back. He has loads of talent. You can have all the time in the world in the pocket, but if your WRs suck who do you throw it to?

[MasterPattie]

Might be a good time to buy...

...just sayin' :D

[gonzagacubs]

With a new coach, and likely new offensive and defensive systems, it will likely be a rough year next season. He's way too injury prone for me to have even considered investing money into him.

[patchgenie]

no, he will be swept away

[jbellis74]

I dont think so either.......He does not have the weapons around him that he needs

[Oilngo]

Like said above, O-line blows. They couldn't protect him all year. And with his best chemistry receiver going down hurt alot. If the rams want to do anything they need to draft oline and a stud wide out. But the Rams have a shot at the number one pick, where they said they would draft luck and trade Bradford. But I am hoping for the number one, draft luck and trade him. Rams would get a ton for him and could rebuild alot fast.

[jbellis74]

Like said above, O-line blows. They couldn't protect him all year. And with his best chemistry receiver going down hurt alot. If the rams want to do anything they need to draft oline and a stud wide out. But the Rams have a shot at the number one pick, where they said they would draft luck and trade Bradford. But I am hoping for the number one, draft luck and trade him. Rams would get a ton for him and could rebuild alot fast.

I don't see them drafting Luck and then trading Bradford. They already put too much time and money into Bradford to just trade him

[gonzagacubs]

Definitely would be interesting if they do in fact get to draft #1. Drafting Luck and trading Bradford would save them a lot of money, since the new CBA took into effect after the lockout. They could have Luck at a fraction of the price they paid for Bradford. I mean heck they are already going to be rebuilding.

Just to kinda add on to what I said earlier reguarding Bradford. The only way you are going to see a nice spike in his prices is if he starts winning games. They can go 3-13 or 4-12 next year and he can put up video game numbers, but is anyone really going to notice if they are not winning games? They don't play in a large enough market for people to take notice unless they are winning and making the playoffs.

[Qwasian]

the only way bradford could bounce back is if he becomes an elite QB on a contending team, which is possible, but unlikely.

[nabzy28]

So, let's say they draft Luck and trade Bradford. Now what happens to his value? This would be a pretty favorable position for the Rams, even if they have no interest in Luck. They could trade the #1 to any of the other interested teams and still draft an OL. .. or package deal for a lower 1st rounder and get a WR or OL on thier board with another pick... The 2012 NFL draft is going to be interesting with Colts/Rams at the top.

[jbellis74]

So, let's say they draft Luck and trade Bradford. Now what happens to his value? This would be a pretty favorable position for the Rams, even if they have no interest in Luck. They could trade the #1 to any of the other interested teams and still draft an OL. .. or package deal for a lower 1st rounder and get a WR or OL on thier board with another pick... The 2012 NFL draft is going to be interesting with Colts/Rams at the top.

That depends where he is traded to....What weapons that team has.....

Think about all the teams that need a QB and then you can evaluate the idea

Cleveland (McCoy is not the answer)
Jets (Sanchez is not the answer)
Miami (I like Moore here though)
Baltimore (Flacco is inconsistent)
Washington (Grossman only goes so far)
Arizona (Kolb does not look like he is the answer)
Tampa (Not sure here)
San Diego could clean house and move on from Rivers

[superynaldo]

Let's be honest... do ANY of the top picks cards hold true after a few years??? the answer is NO... what's HOT in the past is generally worth a fraction later once the hype dies down... believe it or not you have a TON of bandwagon people out there chasing the dream...:)

[premiumexchange]

Let's be honest... do ANY of the top picks cards hold true after a few years??? the answer is NO... what's HOT in the past is generally worth a fraction later once the hype dies down... believe it or not you have a TON of bandwagon people out there chasing the dream...:)

...well, after an initial DIP, I would say Matthew Stafford has held up pretty well....

...Mark Sanchez on the other hand :)

[56LightsOut56]

That depends where he is traded to....What weapons that team has.....

Think about all the teams that need a QB and then you can evaluate the idea

Cleveland (McCoy is not the answer)
Jets (Sanchez is not the answer)
Miami (I like Moore here though)
Baltimore (Flacco is inconsistent)
Washington (Grossman only goes so far)
Arizona (Kolb does not look like he is the answer)
Tampa (Not sure here)
San Diego could clean house and move on from Rivers

This made me laugh :rolleyes:

[superynaldo]

...well, after an initial DIP, I would say Matthew Stafford has held up pretty well....

...Mark Sanchez on the other hand :)

Stafford got though it I guess... but there aren't many...:)

[jbellis74]

This made me laugh :rolleyes:

Wasnt meant to be funny but ok....

The fact is the Chargers have not won with Rivers and Turner is all but gone. It very well may be time to clean house

[ziegxler]

There is only issue i have with all of this, and why i keep snatching him up. He won the rookie of the year. At the time he was like only second to Peyton's first year passing. If it wasn't for this, i would agree with all those who believe he won't be the answer, as he has already showed what he is capable of.

[premiumexchange]

There is only issue i have with all of this, and why i keep snatching him up. He won the rookie of the year. At the time he was like only second to Peyton's first year passing. If it wasn't for this, i would agree with all those who believe he won't be the answer, as he has already showed what he is capable of.

For the record I agree with you. Just like Stafford was fine, Bradford will be fine too. They're good pro style QB's who will be just fine. A break out year has to be close will probably come and his cards will be on fire. Even though he's in st. louis, he's a Sooner, and those always have some holding value anyways (I can still profitably sell Jason White Auto cards if I get ahold of one).

[Razorsharp79]

His 70.5 rating and 6TD/6INTs in 10 starts to go along with 10 fumbles, 7 of which were lost really make me feel great about his value, NOT.....Sorry he is going backwards along with the Rams organization. Sure he will have a hot game here and there, and hobby idiots will pay absurd prices again for his NT card thinking he is the next Montana.

There are to many other players with a brighter upside and who play in a far better market...who also have a lot more talent surrounding them

[allday_vikes]

With Newton and soon Luck, his cards will probably stay the same for awhile yet unless he and the Rams win the SB!!!

[coltsfan23]

It all depends at what prices you have and/or will be picking Bradford's cards at. If you bought a substantial amount anytime before 2 weeks ago, I'd say there's still more downside to go. His cards will continue to get cheaper as we head towards the offseason, so if you have faith in him, that would be the time to buy. Now is not optimal, but if you started buying when his cards first started falling in the beginning or even middle of the season, that was a pretty poor decision.

Overall, there's actually been quite a few logical reasons for Sam Bradford's rapid decline, so his values bouncing back will take some actual structural change. Listed below are a few key ones:

1. His prices were insanely high coming into the year. Most of his success was already priced in, so there was a lot more downside risk than most to begin with.

2. The Rams team, as a whole, is a mess. No matter the supposed "potential," you need hobby relevance to sustain high prices from a hobby perspective.

3. His prices did not decrease because of a severe injury; they decreased for a very logical reason in that he performed really poorly. The Stafford comparisons are largely irrelevant, because of this.

Saying all this, I still think there's potential for Sam Bradford as an investment. However, there's still plenty of time to buy at optimal prices.

[nabzy28]

The NFL rookie records that Bradford owns put him in very elite company. Some were Marino's, most were Peyton Mannings and one or two were Matt Ryan's. To be thinking this guy doesn't have upside potential is absurd. While prices may continue to fall as collector's of NFL players seem to focus only on hot, hot, hot player of the week types, this kid still has a ton of years ahead, barring major injury. Whether that's with the Rams or some other team, who knows. I've already planned on picking up some of his better auto/RC's in the off season if they fall farther from where they are now.

[ninjacookies]

Your upside is only as good as your team. People thinking the Rams are going to go from the laughing stock of the NFL last year to a playoff contender next year are definitely chasing a dream. The longer the Rams stink, the further his cards go down.

The ONLY reason Stafford's cards picked up was during their 4-0 start...even after he's had this epic year and Detroit's made its first playoff appearance in forever, his cards have cooled down significantly since losing that 5th game and never quite recovered. I completely agree with the previous poster that non-rookie qb's who have a 'comeback' year will never get the same hobby love or price increases as the rookies of that year.

Just like others have stated, each year that passes means less attention paid to that player if they're not winning super bowls or setting records.

Let me put this into perspective for you:

You can STILL pick up almost TWO sick multi color patch Matt Ryan Exquisite RPA's /99 for the price of ONE Sam Bradford NT Ram head /99. To say that's ridiculous is an understatement. Matt Ryan has been a consistent QB his whole career and leading his team to the playoffs, while Bradford had one great rookie year with no playoff appearances.

Now you have Newton breaking every record, Dalton having an awesome rookie year, and Luck and possibly RG3 entering the league...Bradford is soon going to be a flash in the past.

Sometimes the hobby blows my mind.

[ColtsFan18]

I sure hope he turns it around, Iv got this waiting for him to catch a spark


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[bradsholly]

bradford=fail........not so much him....he could be great on the right team.......but with so many great qb's out there he is stuck in ST louis for the rest of his career!!

[nabzy28]

Let me put this into perspective for you:

You can STILL pick up almost TWO sick multi color patch Matt Ryan Exquisite RPA's /99 for the price of ONE Sam Bradford NT Ram head /99. To say that's ridiculous is an understatement. Matt Ryan has been a consistent QB his whole career and leading his team to the playoffs, while Bradford had one great rookie year with no playoff appearances.

...Sometimes the hobby blows my mind.

And this is why I collect HOFer on card autos. I don't particularly worry about Roger Staubach's and Jim Brown's losing value...

[ninjacookies]

^^ I don't blame you one bit...if anything, they only appreciate in value. Look@Peyton and Unitas certified autos

[Chiefs2011]

From what I have learned the best time to sell RCs are their rookie year. As soon as the next draft hits they are old news and value drops fast. Lets see in the past 15 years or so the only ones that went up from their rookie year are Manning and Rodgers. Sure you can toss in Brady and Romo but lets face it no one was collecting their cards before the hit big. I think if you're looking to buy up bradford you may even want to wait until late Feb or Mar when football prices are even lower and before the draft spike in prices.

[Kent Clements]

It has been a horrible season for the Rams. Injuries started in the first game and it just continued. Bradford has the talent. He just needs some help. Team will receive extra picks by trading first round pick and...this is the biggie...will play last place schedule next year :)! Bradford will rebound.



Kent

[outlaw33]

From what i am seeing we got 1 there is chance, 1 can go either way, 1 no.

Do they have the brain power upstairs to make it happen? My deepest concern is Josh McDaniels. I think he is a moron, and he is calling all the offensive shots.

i say get rid of mcdufus and you'd be taking a huge step in the right direction!

[k13]

Amusing thread...

[oldcardcolector]

Amusing thread...

Way to reanimate a 4 year old thread jackazz.

[sideshowbob]

Threads like this should be required reading for all the "collectors" buying thousands of dollars worth of cards of the newest highly touted rookie QB with the intention of selling them later.

[Halbert]

Threads like this should be required reading for all the "collectors" buying thousands of dollars worth of cards of the newest highly touted rookie QB with the intention of selling them later.

This thread is pretty scary. The OP's account is now inactive. I wonder if the devaluation of his Bradford collection made him leave the hobby all together

[ziggyz129]

This thread is pretty scary. The OP's account is now inactive. I wonder if the devaluation of his Bradford collection made him leave the hobby all together

bradford made him lose his coolie.

do you think bradford will have a good 2015 season?