Ebay Question- Need Opinions! Grading Question as Well!

[sportcrazynick]

Ok so I bought this card a little while ago and received it in the mail this afternoon.

eBay - New & used electronics, cars, apparel, collectibles, sporting goods & more at low prices (http://www.ebay.com/itm/130620396281?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649)

The seller listed the card as MINT. Card came today with a dinged up left corner and some white showing along the bottom left edge.

The picture given in the auction looked fine. From what I can tell it did look mint. I bought the card planning on sending it into BGS. But now I'm not sure.

The seller was nice about it and offered a refund if I mailed the card back to him. I declined since I dont see the point in using my money to ship it back to him. Then he offered to refund me a few bucks for the misunderstanding and I declined once again because I don't really care about the money, its about the description.

I feel like people do this all the time on Ebay. They list a card as mint and its clearly not mint. I know these people are not professional graders, but if you collect cards you can tell the condition fairly easy and if there is some apparent damage to a card no matter how small it should be listed. I do this in my auctions and dont get why people cant do the same.

I told him I would leave neutral feedback since item was not as described. Is this appropriate just looking for some opinions. I'm just sick and tired of buying cards that are slightly dinged up and not mentioned in the item description. I know it may sound foolish but I'm sure other people on here have the same problems and feelings about it.

Also, I know the pics arent the best but what do you guys think this would grade if sent into BGS (with the January submission on here so need to know soon)? The auto looks like a 10 to me and everything else seems nice except that left corner area.

So neutral feedback the way to go? And what grade do you think this might fetch. If it doesnt reach at least a 9 then im not going to bother.


EDIT: Also before anyone brings its up, I know thicker cards like SPAS dont normally have the best corners and show some wear but i have cards a lot better than this that I bought on ebay that were listed as nrmt-mint, unlike this one which was listed as mint.

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upper left corner of back

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[jeffro]

Hmm, he offered you a refund, he offered you money off, apologized and has 1500+ feedback with 100% positive. My opinion is that your being petty and he deserves a positive.

In my opinion your expectations are too high and you're being very unreasonable.

[nuccionino]

Hmm, he offered you a refund, he offered you money off, apologized and has 1500+ feedback with 100% positive. My opinion is that your being petty and he deserves a positive.

In my opinion your expectations are too high and you're being very unreasonable.

+1, he should of said NM to Mint, to prevent this. But to leave a neutral? After he offered a refund, and you declined? The damage is normal on cards. Probably made in the packing process. Also, where did he say in Mint condition? I'm not seeing it haha. But you shouldn't leave anything but positive and all 5's. Don't be so picky, or you won't get far in this hobby.

[sportcrazynick]

+1, he should of said NM to Mint, to prevent this. But to leave a neutral? After he offered a refund, and you declined? The damage is normal on cards. Probably made in the packing process. Also, where did he say in Mint condition? I'm not seeing it haha. But you shouldn't leave anything but positive and all 5's. Don't be so picky, or you won't get far in this hobby.


hmm it says right in the description mint. I dont think im being too picky when an item is not as described. I have been collecting for about 15 years so I dont know what you mean by I wont get far in this hobby lol? I know its picky but he said it was mint..

[sportcrazynick]

Hmm, he offered you a refund, he offered you money off, apologized and has 1500+ feedback with 100% positive. My opinion is that your being petty and he deserves a positive.

In my opinion your expectations are too high and you're being very unreasonable.


cool deal thanks

[nuccionino]

hmm it says right in the description mint. I dont think im being too picky when an item is not as described. I have been collecting for about 15 years so I dont know what you mean by I wont get far in this hobby lol? I know its picky but he said it was mint..

I still don't see it. And it wasn't meant to be an attack on you, just saying don't be so picky. To get picky over some normal card damage is a little much. I could see maybe a 4 star on item not as describe. But neutral? Come on.

[jeffro]

No one is disputing that it's not literally MINT, the point is he offered you solutions that would have resolved your displeasure. You rebutted his offers and now want to ding him up, that's what I find petty and unreasonable.

You paid 23.00 for a card tht you wanted to grade that's not worth grading in the first place IMO.

[sportcrazynick]

I still don't see it. And it wasn't meant to be an attack on you, just saying don't be so picky. To get picky over some normal card damage is a little much. I could see maybe a 4 star on item not as describe. But neutral? Come on.

lol its right in the first line of the title. maybe someone needs to get a pair of glasses :)! i know it wasnt an attack, i will probably just leave a positive and 3 star or so on item not as described. i posted this for opinions and thats all i wanted

[sportcrazynick]

No one is disputing that it's not literally MINT, the point is he offered you solutions that would have resolved your displeasure. You rebutted his offers and now want to ding him up, that's what I find petty and unreasonable.

You paid 23.00 for a card tht you wanted to grade that's not worth grading in the first place IMO.

I dont think its petty?? I'm not sure that really applies here. Looks guys I'm not looking for an argument.

Why is this a card thats not worth grading. Nicks is underrated in my opinion and one of the best receivers in the league. So why do you think its not worth grading? People grade much worse.

And i didnt buy it for grading purposes at first. It's for my SPA set, but I dont like buying cards that are not in the best of condition. If I knew it was like this I probably wouldnt have bought it. I thought maybe grading it would be worthwhile because he is one hell of a receiver.

[jeffro]

I dont think its petty?? I'm not sure that really applies here. Looks guys I'm not looking for an argument.

Why is this a card thats not worth grading. Nicks is underrated in my opinion and one of the best receivers in the league. So why do you think its not worth grading? People grade much worse.

And i didnt buy it for grading purposes at first. It's for my SPA set, but I dont like buying cards that are not in the best of condition. If I knew it was like this I probably wouldnt have bought it. I thought maybe grading it would be worthwhile because he is one hell of a receiver.

IMO unless you have 100% confidence that it's going to grade 9.5 it's not worth sending I meant. Just from a cost of grading vs raw price perspective and the fact that it's /999. From my experience hunting 9.5s in the aftermarket doesn't work well, especially with thicker pt cards with dark ink on corners. Again, IMO.

[nuccionino]

lol its right in the first line of the title. maybe someone needs to get a pair of glasses :)! i know it wasnt an attack, i will probably just leave a positive and 3 star or so on item not as described. i posted this for opinions and thats all i wanted

I found it, sure he could of said NM-mint, but the card is in find condition, maybe not BGS 9.5 or 10. But that is the risk on buying cards on eBay. You shouldn't go into it thinking, "Oh this better be in prestige condition or else I will leave neutral." If it isn't good enough for you, then buy another one. You just said you wouldn't of bought it if you knew about the damage, and the seller offered a refund and you declined? Makes no sense.

[sportcrazynick]

IMO unless you have 100% confidence that it's going to grade 9.5 it's not worth sending I meant. Just from a cost of grading vs raw price perspective and the fact that it's /999 these are just my opinions IMO. From my experience hunting 9.5s in the aftermarket doesn't work well, especially with thicker pt cards with dark ink on corners. Again, IMO.

yep i know exactly what you mean. thats why I was asking on here how big of a deal that chipping is because if i send it in with the submission group on here its like $13 to get graded which isnt bad. i know there are 999 made. but there arent a whole lot that are graded. thicker pt cards dont normally grade that well but sometimes you get a 9.5 every once in a while. thats why when i bought this and saw that in the description it said MINT I for sure wanted it for my set and to possibly be graded. but after receiving it, the 9.5 grade probably will not happen, unless someone shows up drunk to work lol

[jeffro]

yep i know exactly what you mean. thats why I was asking on here how big of a deal that chipping is because if i send it in with the submission group on here its like $13 to get graded which isnt bad. i know there are 999 made. but there arent a whole lot that are graded. thicker pt cards dont normally grade that well but sometimes you get a 9.5 every once in a while. thats why when i bought this and saw that in the description it said MINT I for sure wanted it for my set and to possibly be graded. but after receiving it, the 9.5 grade probably will not happen, unless someone shows up drunk to work lol

I hear you, it's disappointing for sure. I would have take a full refund and kept an eye out for another with better pictures. Maybe it's not too late.

[sportcrazynick]

I found it, sure he could of said NM-mint, but the card is in find condition, maybe not BGS 9.5 or 10. But that is the risk on buying cards on eBay. You shouldn't go into it thinking, "Oh this better be in prestige condition or else I will leave neutral." If it isn't good enough for you, then buy another one. You just said you wouldn't of bought it if you knew about the damage, and the seller offered a refund and you declined? Makes no sense.


Because I dont want to have to ship it back (using my money) and then have to wait for another one with a patch and auto I like to surface. I'm pretty picky about the patch and the auto on these and this one had the patch like perfectly centered and the auto was great. which is why its a bummer that the condition isnt the greatest. i guess you guys just dont get the point im trying to make here. i know you cant expect cards to be immaculate but when someone puts in the description that the card is mint instead of nrmt-mint, dammit it better be mint imo. but o well. thanks for the input i will just leave a positive, not in the feedback card was not in mint condition and rate item as described a little low.

[theRLO]

i see where he says mint, but unless its graded, i would assume that all cards are in NrMt/Mt condition - as are MOST cards in the hobby.

i'd leave a positive since he offered a couple different ways to rectify the situation in line with ebay and paypal policies... my girlfriend works for ebay/paypal and this is a normal way to deal with this type of issue.

[addicted36]

Hmm, he offered you a refund, he offered you money off, apologized and has 1500+ feedback with 100% positive. My opinion is that your being petty and he deserves a positive.

In my opinion your expectations are too high and you're being very unreasonable.

+1, he should of said NM to Mint, to prevent this. But to leave a neutral? After he offered a refund, and you declined? The damage is normal on cards. Probably made in the packing process. Also, where did he say in Mint condition? I'm not seeing it haha. But you shouldn't leave anything but positive and all 5's. Don't be so picky, or you won't get far in this hobby.

Pretty much agree with these guys. If he offered a refund and some money for the misunderstanding and you refused both and want to leave him a neutral then I think that's on you not him. Only so many things a seller can do to fix this for you but if you won't let him do anything then he doesn't deserve a neutral.

[JEFFREY524]

Petty...Petty...Petty

[sportcrazynick]

Petty...Petty...Petty

your opinion doesnt count lol

[DeepDiscounts]

Sounds like the seller tried to make things right and even offered a partial refund and you get to keep the card. As far as neutral versus positive feedback goes, I would lean towards you with the neutral because the item was not as described, but this situation, I probably would skip the feedback process and let it go. If the guy was jerk about it and said no refund, no partial money back, then by all means open an eBay case for, item not as described and leave him negative feedback, but this is not the case here.

The problem with a card's condition is that it is subjective. One persons "mint", might only be "near mint" to a more experienced eye. Sometimes you have to go through multiple copies of a card in order to find one worth grading. Most people do list cards as near mint, so there are not disappointments. Some sellers images are a lot better than others, but even close up images can still disguise flaws. Some sellers don't even list condition, so you only have the image to go by.

As far as sending your Hakeem Nicks card into BGS, I would not recommend this, unless you would be happy with an 8 or 8.5 grade at best. There is no way it could get a mint 9 grade. The auto, I agree would be a 10. The corners would be either an 8 or 8.5 and the edges and the chipping would bring the edge grade down to an 8 or 8.5.

[Razorsharp79]

I am sorry, but anyone who knows 2009 SP Authentic knows to get one mint is very difficult. To buy any raw 2009 SPA off ebay expecting to send it BGS for high marks is naive. You buy one and send it in and pray it grades bgs 8.5, if it gets mint bgs 9 that is like a dream come true. And why would you believe the sellers description, his idea of mint may be NMT to some or gem mint to others, it is all useless info. You have to know what to look for on these. If you can see ANY white on the bottom left corner the corner grade will be 7.5 to 8.5, if you get 9 on the corners on these that is next to impossible. Very condition sensitive set where 9s will be the high water mark on average. 8s and 8.5s will be the norm. I pulled a Iglesias out of my black friday box and it would not grade bgs 8.5 pack fresh. The back is just as tough as the front on these with chipping and raised corners...

Also when you do buy one you think is gradable ask the seller to ship in one touch only with penny sleeve inside holder to prevent it from rattling back and forth during shipping. Will help alot on the edges


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