Question about this type of Ebay Selling?

[FreeMan12406]

So I was winning a card I really needed for my Alessio Sakara card. It was a base parallel numbered #'d /8. I had it for .99 cents but had my max bid up to $20 bucks. Anyways it would have ended tonight and I log on to see why it ended. The seller took it down right before the auction was to end.

I messaged him as to why he took it down and I'm awaiting his reply but after all my buying I've never had a seller pull an item I was bidding on let alone the day I was going to win it.

Thoughts?

[Imac7065]

the seller probably had a lot of $$$ into the card and didn't want to risk a low bid. I see it all the time. This is why eBay doesn't allow auctions to be pulled within the last 12 hours if they have a bid

[FreeMan12406]

the seller probably had a lot of $$$ into the card and didn't want to risk a low bid. I see it all the time. This is why eBay doesn't allow auctions to be pulled within the last 12 hours if they have a bid

I thought as much but I don't understand how if I didn't pay for the card I would get in trouble from Ebay but he can do this and it's fine. Just crappy I guess.

[a-train10]

Or maybe he sold it offline. I've done that before, but with a BIN/BO listing. Kind of sucks, I agree though. Especially on a SP'ed card. GL finding another one, if the first guy doesn't want to move his.

[FreeMan12406]

Yeah I get the BIN auctions but this wasnt one of those.

[addicted36]

I do this sometimes. Why would I sell a $20 card for 99 cents? That's the danger of 99 cent listings and if your not careful you will get burned. I'm sure all he did was cancel your bid and stop the auction to protect himself. Sucks for the buyer like yourself JT but if you were willing to pay $20 for it why not pm him and say you will give him $20 for it if he lists it as a BIN? Again not trying to be a jerk just saying it happens a lot more then you think and it's just the seller protecting himself

[HBMC]

Happened to me on cards have been watching. It's crappy, but it happens.

[FreeMan12406]

I do this sometimes. Why would I sell a $20 card for 99 cents? That's the danger of 99 cent listings and if your not careful you will get burned. I'm sure all he did was cancel your bid and stop the auction to protect himself. Sucks for the buyer like yourself JT but if you were willing to pay $20 for it why not pm him and say you will give him $20 for it if he lists it as a BIN? Again not trying to be a jerk just saying it happens a lot more then you think and it's just the seller protecting himself

So again, I get in trouble for not paying but this is okay? Ebay is an open market and the market dictated that card is .99 cents. Its bs plain and simple. Why offer him $20 when I won it for .99 cents? How this can be defended is beyond me.

[bigbensbff]

I do this sometimes. Why would I sell a $20 card for 99 cents? That's the danger of 99 cent listings and if your not careful you will get burned. I'm sure all he did was cancel your bid and stop the auction to protect himself. Sucks for the buyer like yourself JT but if you were willing to pay $20 for it why not pm him and say you will give him $20 for it if he lists it as a BIN? Again not trying to be a jerk just saying it happens a lot more then you think and it's just the seller protecting himself

pretty lame to do this as a seller on an auction imo

[mikeyp]

So again, I get in trouble for not paying but this is okay? Ebay is an open market and the market dictated that card is .99 cents. Its bs plain and simple. Why offer him $20 when I won it for .99 cents? How this can be defended is beyond me.

You didn't win the card for 0.99 or you would be paying for the card. The auction did not finish running. You don't know who would have placed a bid in that last 12 hours.

[Sooners6339]

So again, I get in trouble for not paying but this is okay? Ebay is an open market and the market dictated that card is .99 cents. Its bs plain and simple. Why offer him $20 when I won it for .99 cents? How this can be defended is beyond me.

Did you win the auction for .99?

[FreeMan12406]

You didn't win the card for 0.99 or you would be paying for the card. The auction did not finish running. You don't know who would have placed a bid in that last 12 hours.

Well I had it up to $20 bucks. I'm a Sakara super collector and know the value of his stuff fairly well and didn't expect it to go over $10 bucks.

But that's besides the point. He listed it for sale, I bid on it entering a contract per Ebay policy. He yanked it at the last possible second for whatever reason. People crap on Ebayers all the time for not paying, so I don't see how this is any different.

Did you win the auction for .99?

No he pulled the auction at the 12th hour.

[Sooners6339]

Well I had it up to $20 bucks. I'm a Sakara super collector and know the value of his stuff fairly well and didn't expect it to go over $10 bucks.

But that's besides the point. He listed it for sale, I bid on it entering a contract per Ebay policy. He yanked it at the last possible second for whatever reason. People crap on Ebayers all the time for not paying, so I don't see how this is any different.



No he pulled the auction at the 12th hour.

I wouldn't get all bent out of shape. There is no telling what happened. Heck, he could've dropped the dang card on a corner.

[FreeMan12406]

I wouldn't get all bent out of shape. There is no telling what happened. Heck, he could've dropped the dang card on a corner.

True, anything could of happened but it's his responsibility as a seller to sell the product he has up for sale. If I won, I would have to pay. Had I not paid, I would be given an infraction. So if the Sellers want to hold the Buyer at a certain standard, the Seller should have to have similar standards themselves.

He finally messaged me back and told me he traded it. He...traded...it. Ugh so pissed off about that.

[premiumexchange]

I do this sometimes. Why would I sell a $20 card for 99 cents? That's the danger of 99 cent listings and if your not careful you will get burned. I'm sure all he did was cancel your bid and stop the auction to protect himself. Sucks for the buyer like yourself JT but if you were willing to pay $20 for it why not pm him and say you will give him $20 for it if he lists it as a BIN? Again not trying to be a jerk just saying it happens a lot more then you think and it's just the seller protecting himself

Maybe I'm missing something, but with the free auction listings you get right now....why wouldn't you just start the card at the minimum amount you would sell it at? I personally think it's dumb to take down auctions period. You completley ruin any thrill for the buyer, and your name will stick with people not to buy from. It's an opinion, but Ebay has made it (one of the few things they've really helped sellers out on) much easier to get by starting at prices other then .99 cents and be affordable to sell.

[gamboooler]

Difference is when you don't pay, the auction has ended and there's an agreement in place. In the real world, the seller can pull his item up to the point where the gavel sounds. I don't know eBay's exact stance on ending early, but they don't care, so neither do I.

A more apt comparison to what the seller did would be if you withdrew your bid (not if you fail to pay for an item you won).

[Jackg1980]

He could of decided he didnt want to sale it anymore, traded it, sold it in a forum, damaged it and so on. If you do not want to sale it you do not have to.

[cj52racers]

Ebay is an open market

And, just like an open market, people can refuse to sell if they do not want to.

[studioU]

I don't have a huge problem with this happening. I have had this happen to me before and I was disappointed but not mad. This is really one of the only policies that works in the seller's favor on ebay. I agree with one of the other posts that as a seller you should start the listing at a minimum price you would take or list BIN/OBO.

[SandersAD#1]

Gosh darn it, now a, "check out my steal" thread just went out the window!!! lol j/k
Don't sweat it man, happens all the time. Non-paying bidder, seller canceling at the last moment, is all part of the whole eBay experience!

[mimi mo money]

And, just like an open market, people can refuse to sell if they do not want to.

You don't understand contract law... nor does Ebay.

[hairysasquatch]

Not to worry too much there, Skip - soon eBay will prevent buyers from ending auctions early - just you wait and see....

[bigbensbff]

Not to worry too much there, Skip - soon eBay will prevent buyers from ending auctions early - just you wait and see....

from what i understand this is already the case

if you do this too much (not sure how much that is) then your account is deactivated. there would likely be a warning.

[addicted36]

So again, I get in trouble for not paying but this is okay?

You didn't pay for anything brother, you bid on an item that was pulled. We all like getting super deals and no one likes getting ripped off. Please look at it from both sides

Ebay is an open market and the market dictated that card is .99 cents.

I disagree. On Ebay I am a powerseller with 1200 registered feedback and 100% positive rating of which I am proud of. Right now I have several auctions ending. The next one to end is a Sweet Spot Patrick Willis RC Helmet:

eBay - New & used electronics, cars, apparel, collectibles, sporting goods & more at low prices (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300650823209&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT#ht_484wt_1205)

I point this out to you here because your my friend and I like you. If you check the bidding it just was bid up 5 dollars in the last 30 minutes. Just because it was at 99 cents with 13 hours to go doesn't mean it would have ended there so you can't really say the market dictated the price was 99 cents. We don't know how that would have ended until it was over


Its bs plain and simple. Why offer him $20 when I won it for .99 cents? How this can be defended is beyond me.

Please try and understand auctions are dangerous and think of it from a sellers point of view. You bid $20 on a card because to you it was worth that much. Why would he sell it for 99 cents? He has no idea you did that. So to him with 13 hours left its at 99 cents I get why he pulled it. For a seller, the only way an auction works is if you have multiple bidders on an item. If you don't then you can lose your ass, thats the danger of an auction. I mentioned offering him 20 for it because in fact you never "won" that card. If you had "won" it and he said he wouldn't sell that cheap you have a case, to me as a seller it sucks but that's how it goes man. Seller was just protecting his own investment. It does take the fun out of auctions when this happens and I feel bad for you. Try and look at it from a sellers point of view.



Maybe I'm missing something, but with the free auction listings you get right now....why wouldn't you just start the card at the minimum amount you would sell it at? I personally think it's dumb to take down auctions period. You completley ruin any thrill for the buyer, and your name will stick with people not to buy from. It's an opinion, but Ebay has made it (one of the few things they've really helped sellers out on) much easier to get by starting at prices other then .99 cents and be affordable to sell.

I don't have any free listings right now. your right though. I do that when its free listing day or at the start of the month

And, just like an open market, people can refuse to sell if they do not want to.

Very true

[mcdo0423]

Funny thing is I was ready to snipe it with a high bid of $30. Seller possibly cost himself some money by trading it (depending on what he traded it for).

[addicted36]

Funny thing is I was ready to snipe it with a high bid of $30. Seller possibly cost himself some money by trading it (depending on what he traded it for).

Hahah tell us your not serious?

[mcdo0423]

Hahah tell us your not serious?

Nah, I'm just messing around. I actually haven't even heard of the guy before but its possible somebody had a snipe ready to go.

[HadWayTooMuch]

Don't start an auction at $.99 if you can't afford to sell it for $.99.

Conversation over!

[FreeMan12406]

Don't start an auction at $.99 if you can't afford to sell it for $.99.

Conversation over!

And boom goes the dynomite.

And Addicted, youre right that it is dangerous. A danger you as a seller must be willing to accept. To me, Ebay is a market where the buyers decide how much something is worth, not the seller....unless they shill bid.

If a seller will reap the rewards of having a card sell for a high amount, then they have to be prepared to take a loss. Otherwise never, ever, ever again complain about non payers because they too can change their mind.

[addicted36]

And boom goes the dynomite.

And Addicted, youre right that it is dangerous. A danger you as a seller must be willing to accept. To me, Ebay is a market where the buyers decide how much something is worth, not the seller....unless they shill bid.

If a seller will reap the rewards of having a card sell for a high amount, then they have to be prepared to take a loss. Otherwise never, ever, ever again complain about non payers because they too can change their mind.

Really so you take a card and win it and than decide not to pay the seller is assed out to you and shouldnt complain?

Thats totally different to me then simply a seller stopping an auction early.

You agreed to buy something and backed out on the deal. All that happened to you was a smart seller deciding not to sell a card peroid. You dont know you would have won that, your only speculating you would have. What in essance your saying backing out on an auction you won is your word means nothing. You are better than that man

[FreeMan12406]

Really so you take a card and win it and than decide not to pay the seller is assed out to you and shouldnt complain?

Thats totally different to me then simply a seller stopping an auction early.

You agreed to buy something and backed out on the deal. All that happened to you was a smart seller deciding not to sell a card peroid. You dont know you would have won that, your only speculating you would have. What in essance your saying backing out on an auction you won is your word means nothing. You are better than that man

I would never or have never backed out of a deal. What im saying is a seller who believes its okay to back out of a sale because its smart shouldnt complain when a buyer does the same thing because its smart for them.

[mcdo0423]

2 completely different situations.

What happened to you is like a buyer retracting a bid before the auction ended.

A buyer not paying after winning an auction is like a seller not going through with the sale after the auction ended.

The big difference is you never actually won the item. You might have had the high bid but you have no idea if you even would have won the item at your max bid.

People end items early all the time and I agree it can definately be frustrating. On the other side people retract bids all the time also which as a seller can also be frustrating.

[SandersAD#1]

2 completely different situations.

What happened to you is like a buyer retracting a bid before the auction ended.

A buyer not paying after winning an auction is like a seller not going through with the sale after the auction ended.

The big difference is you never actually won the item. You might have had the high bid but you have no idea if you even would have won the item at your max bid.

People end items early all the time and I agree it can definately be frustrating. On the other side people retract bids all the time also which as a seller can also be frustrating.

What ^^^ said.

[ssbledsoe]

Well I had it up to $20 bucks. I'm a Sakara super collector and know the value of his stuff fairly well and didn't expect it to go over $10 bucks.

But that's besides the point. He listed it for sale, I bid on it entering a contract per Ebay policy. He yanked it at the last possible second for whatever reason. People crap on Ebayers all the time for not paying, so I don't see how this is any different.



No he pulled the auction at the 12th hour.

eBay also gives bidders the option to cancel their bids up to 12 hours left also. The only contract that is completely final is the final sale.
Now, I agree it blows to have this happen all the time. I think eBay should track ended auctions the same way they track cancelled bids. That would put a damper on this happening all the time.