want to see something sad? lol.

[mindbinge]

Set Name : 2005 Upper Deck Hall of Fame Cooperstown Calling Autograph /25
Player Name : Nolan Ryan Astros
Date Graded : Wednesday, February 15, 2012
Centering Grade : 9.5
Corner Grade : 4.5
Edges Grade : 9.0
Surfaces Grade : 9.5
Autograph Grade : 10.0
Final Grade : 5.5

[Skodie1]

Ouch!! I feel your pain with grades like that!

[ceczerwonka]

Wow, what happened to the corners?

[Lbsbigbro22]

I'm confused by this, first off sorry on the corner. Can't the grade only be .5 higher then the lowest grade though?

[mindbinge]

I'm confused by this, first off sorry on the corner. Can't the grade only be .5 higher then the lowest grade though?

i dont know what happened...but it "was" a nice looking card...was hoping for a 9.5 on it...might have made it if not for those pesky kids and their dog.

[CM Sports Memorabilia]

I'm confused by this, first off sorry on the corner. Can't the grade only be .5 higher then the lowest grade though?

You can receive a grade higher than .5 of the lowest grade if the other grades are much higher.

[gamboooler]

So was the corner dinged when you sent it in or do you think BGS damaged it?

[mindbinge]

So was the corner dinged when you sent it in or do you think BGS damaged it?

I didn't see anything or i wouldn't have sent it in?

Might have happened in packing or shipping...i doubt BGS damaged it, most of the time i've seen them damage stuff its during the sealing process...those almost always have high grades and crappy looking cards....looks like mine was damaged prior to grading....just an honest guess.

Either way its still a Ryan auto and thats where the value is now, not the card...shame it was a nice low #'d card.

[mindbinge]

scan of said card that is sad.

I still don't see anything myself.

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=74558&stc=1&d=1329601336

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=74559&stc=1&d=1329601344

[Chaddie84]

I'm confused by the grade from what I'm seeing, but I also can't see very close with those pics.

[chilly55]

Someone might have entered the wrong grade on the corners and never paid attention. From what I see, those corners look nice, no where near a 4.5!!

Send it back to be regraded and send them a letter asking how the corners got the 4.5.

Bill

WHMCJR's Trading card site (http://whmcjr.pcriot.com/home.html)

[monkeymcgee]

Is there anything wrong with the back upper right corner? That's the only one that looked off to me.

[Chaddie84]

Someone might have entered the wrong grade on the corners and never paid attention. From what I see, those corners look nice, no where near a 4.5!!

Send it back to be regraded and send them a letter asking how the corners got the 4.5.

Bill

WHMCJR's Trading card site (http://whmcjr.pcriot.com/home.html)

If that's a mistake...it really scares me about other mistakes made going the other way.

[Gibberish]

Ok
What scares me is the math
9+9.5+9.5=4.5=32.5 Dive by 4=8.125...shouldn't it be an 8 ?
Never understood the subgrading if it doesnt factor in to the over all grade from top to bottom

[mindbinge]

Is there anything wrong with the back upper right corner? That's the only one that looked off to me.

not really? I mean it might be a little bit "off" but i dont think it's 4.5 off lol.

It's a PC card and i just wanted it slabbed mostly for protection....so i'm not going to worry about it. Just thought it was sort of an odd grade for a pretty nice looking card overall. Still better than a blank index card signed by Ryan though.

[WhacksPacks]

PC or not you MORE THAN DESERVE an explanation

[vatechhokiefan]

Ok
What scares me is the math
9+9.5+9.5=4.5=32.5 Dive by 4=8.125...shouldn't it be an 8 ?
Never understood the subgrading if it doesnt factor in to the over all grade from top to bottom

The overall grade is not calculated as an average of the four subgrades. Certain subgrades are weighted in their formula if I recall correctly.

[tajikey]

I think the other issue at hand is how a 5.5 is considered "Excellent+." I mean, letter-grade wise, that's somewhere between a C and a C+, which is average. "Excellent" and "Average" don't equate to me...

[vatechhokiefan]

not really? I mean it might be a little bit "off" but i dont think it's 4.5 off lol.

It's a PC card and i just wanted it slabbed mostly for protection....so i'm not going to worry about it. Just thought it was sort of an odd grade for a pretty nice looking card overall. Still better than a blank index card signed by Ryan though.

I understand not being too upset since it's a PC card, but that subgrade would aggravate the crap out of me every time I looked at it. You would think a 4.5 would mean the corners were visibly damaged and/or rounded.

[mindbinge]

I understand not being too upset since it's a PC card, but that subgrade would aggravate the crap out of me every time I looked at it. You would think a 4.5 would mean the corners were visibly damaged and/or rounded.

yeah...thats what i figured...when i saw the grade i was expecting to see something that jumped out at me when i got it back...but, it looks OK to me...i might re-send it on my next order.

[danimal]

I'm not surprised a bit! I still get stuff graded because of the price increases with a 9.5 or 10, but these 2 below are the exact same card. It was an 8.5 the first time - I cracked it out of the case and sent it back in and it was a 10.


Set Name : 2006 Bowman Chrome Prospects Blue Refractors
Player Name : Alex Gordon
Date Graded : Thursday, March 29, 2007
Centering Grade : 8.0
Corner Grade : 9.0
Edges Grade : 9.5
Surfaces Grade : 9.0
Autograph Grade : Not Available
Final Grade : 8.5


Set Name : 2006 Bowman Chrome Prospects Blue Refractors
Player Name : Alex Gordon
Date Graded : Friday, May 18, 2007
Centering Grade : 10.0
Corner Grade : 9.5
Edges Grade : 10.0
Surfaces Grade : 10.0
Autograph Grade : Not Available
Final Grade : 10.0

[Chaddie84]

I'm not surprised a bit! I still get stuff graded because of the price increases with a 9.5 or 10, but these 2 below are the exact same card. It was an 8.5 the first time - I cracked it out of the case and sent it back in and it was a 10.


Set Name : 2006 Bowman Chrome Prospects Blue Refractors
Player Name : Alex Gordon
Date Graded : Thursday, March 29, 2007
Centering Grade : 8.0
Corner Grade : 9.0
Edges Grade : 9.5
Surfaces Grade : 9.0
Autograph Grade : Not Available
Final Grade : 8.5


Set Name : 2006 Bowman Chrome Prospects Blue Refractors
Player Name : Alex Gordon
Date Graded : Friday, May 18, 2007
Centering Grade : 10.0
Corner Grade : 9.5
Edges Grade : 10.0
Surfaces Grade : 10.0
Autograph Grade : Not Available
Final Grade : 10.0

That's crazy. You would almost think BGS would keep record of the serial and grade so this didn't happen simply to save face :p. Consistency is the key for any credible grading service.

[imnotded]

That's crazy. You would almost think BGS would keep record of the serial and grade so this didn't happen simply to save face :p. Consistency is the key for any credible grading service.

They have to regrade it after it has been cracked out. But it would probably take forever to look up every s/n card that comes in though.



It's a PC card and i just wanted it slabbed mostly for protection....so i'm not going to worry about it. Just thought it was sort of an odd grade for a pretty nice looking card overall. Still better than a blank index card signed by Ryan though.

They should fix it for free, if it is a mistake. And I think it looks like a mistake to all of us.

[chadwright]

I'm in the process of getting my Nolan Ryan autograph collection graded. I started out not caring what the grades were. I just wanted them to be encapsulated. Two subs into it and I figured out I did care about the grades. Now I send them in with a minimum of 8.5 or I have them just slab it as authentic. The blue authentic tag looks better to me than the alternative.

[mindbinge]

I'm in the process of getting my Nolan Ryan autograph collection graded. I started out not caring what the grades were. I just wanted them to be encapsulated. Two subs into it and I figured out I did care about the grades. Now I send them in with a minimum of 8.5 or I have them just slab it as authentic. The blue authentic tag looks better to me than the alternative.


thats what i was thinking for the next go around on the Ryan...had I thought it would come back below a 9 i would have done that, but it looked good to me when i packed it and now that i have it back i still dont see much wrong?

I do that with a lot of my vintage stuff, just have it slabbed authentic because at least you know that way its not altered or trimmed...if i ever sell the buyer can put whatever value they think its worth on it based on what the card looks like and knowing its legit and not been doctored. Although sometimes i wonder what they would have graded. I wish they would give you the grade on it when they slab it as authentic so at least you would know.

[BoxBreaker72]

No way those corners are a 4.5. Yet another blunder by BGS.

[rgarris]

This has been a very hot topic on here lately, maybe beckett should start reading these posts on here and run a feature story next month with some explanation on how the whole grading service works.....but then im sure they would lose a lot of business when people find out its pretty much just a big scam.....not saying i dont buy graded cards, but i do not send my own in...if they are a in a toploader or a one touch and look mint to me and 95 percent of whoever else looks at them...then they are mint lol easy as that.

[chadwright]

thats what i was thinking for the next go around on the Ryan...had I thought it would come back below a 9 i would have done that, but it looked good to me when i packed it and now that i have it back i still dont see much wrong?

I do that with a lot of my vintage stuff, just have it slabbed authentic because at least you know that way its not altered or trimmed...if i ever sell the buyer can put whatever value they think its worth on it based on what the card looks like and knowing its legit and not been doctored. Although sometimes i wonder what they would have graded. I wish they would give you the grade on it when they slab it as authentic so at least you would know.


I with they would give the scores on authentic cards as well. I just sent a group of five autos in for grading. Two came back authentic and I would love to know what they would have been.

I learned this on my first sub when I had what I thought was a beautiful card come back as a 4.5. Turns out there was some minor creasing in the card around a think patch relic. I hadn't noticed it before. At that point I knew anything below an 8.5 just looked like crap with the white label. I'm slabbing for protection and aesthetic consistency. So blue is better than white in that case.

[mscoon1]

Nice drawing

[mindbinge]

Nice drawing

my ebay drawing :flex:

there is a story to that.:)!

[warlordforever]

could be an error

[schmuffer]

The corner next to the auto grade looks miss shaped. Actually it kind of looks like it would effect the edge grade and not the corner but that's the only flaw I can see. I'd either resubmit it and hope for something better or just have it authenticated that way it's still encapsulated but not showing such a poor grade

[Shogun2049]

Yes, you're corner in the bottom right, underneath the autograph, is where the 4.5 appears to come from. It's not straight, doesn't even look close. You may want to break it out of the slab and use a ruler just to be 100% sure, but it looks pretty badly off.

[dashcounter]

if thats a 4.5, then i want a 4.5 on all my corners lol

what probably happened was someone hand wrote 9.5 and someone plugged it in as 4.5 because they could look similar on paper

[Shogun2049]

What you're missing is the fact that the one corner I mentioned before, doesn't look to even be close to a 90 degree angle. It looks like the corner was cut wrong. Why would you want ALL your cards' corners to not be 90 degree angles?

[ScooterD]

I am going with the majority that says this is a mistake by BGS. I got a card graded that came back with subs of 9.5, 9, 9.5 and 7.5... the overall grade was an 8.5. Unless the at least one of the OP's card's back corners is seriously destroyed, it should be higher.