2007 Bowman Chrome baseball

[otmack2o]

The product is scheduled for release in just over two weeks. There has been quite a lengthy discussion on the former site about whether or not this product will be worthy of breaking right away or if it is better to sit on sealed boxes/cases. Overproduction is another concern that some have expressed due to the addition of autographs (announced last week) to the set.

What is your take on this product and will you be busting or sitting on your cases?

[jebjeb1]

I'll kick my first post on the new boards off with my favorite product coming out this year. In the spirit of full disclosure I'm in for 8 cases.


I think you can make a fair amount of money on Bowman Chrome this year if you follow these rules.

1. Get your product busted and autos listed within the first days of release. Even if they overproduce, if you are one of the first to get those autos listed you will make a killing. A week later the autos going for $15 will be $5 cards as everything floods the market.

2. You need to buy more than just 2 or 3 cases. If you buy more you will be able to list 20 card prospect lots which will mak a killing based on my analysis of the prospect checklist (no big names like Gordon but a ton of guys tearing it up in A and AA). In addition multiple cases increases your chances of pulling a $500 card like a Joba or Betances low #d auto.

3. Use the great members on this board to finish out your sets. This has had a huge impact on my proifts for all products this year.



Yes they will overproduce, but the only risk is if they SP any of the top autos which will kill your proi

[Cubfan86]

I'll kick my first post on the new boards off with my favorite product coming out this year. In the spirit of full disclosure I'm in for 8 cases.


I think you can make a fair amount of money on Bowman Chrome this year if you follow these rules.

1. Get your product busted and autos listed within the first days of release. Even if they overproduce, if you are one of the first to get those autos listed you will make a killing. A week later the autos going for $15 will be $5 cards as everything floods the market.

2. You need to buy more than just 2 or 3 cases. If you buy more you will be able to list 20 card prospect lots which will mak a killing based on my analysis of the prospect checklist (no big names like Gordon but a ton of guys tearing it up in A and AA). In addition multiple cases increases your chances of pulling a $500 card like a Joba or Betances low #d auto.

3. Use the great members on this board to finish out your sets. This has had a huge impact on my proifts for all products this year.



Yes they will overproduce, but the only risk is if they SP any of the top autos which will kill your proi

This is the reason I can't decide this year. I ove busting chrome and that will be hard to resist but if they SP the top Autos I may hold onto my 4 cases and sell later. I have not decided and may not till a few breaks happen. I do not think 4 cases is enough to get 20 count lots and if you have odd numbers in the middle teens (16,17,18) I do not think they will sell as well.
I hate not knowing but I have had such bad luck with a couple product breaks this year that I can't risk losing again and we all know with chrome you can't lose with sealed wax.

[cowboyfaninlr]

I am in for 5 cases and will be HOLDING them for awhile. I have done this each year with BC and haven't lost $$$ yet

I think by next year when some of the cards take off $$$$ will be easily made.

Bill

[Jhawk1]

I will sit back and watch to see if money is made. I will not be able to get the cards before some of the others so immediately I would be in the hole. I can't afford 3 or more cases either as I try to only buy with money on hand. This will be interesting to see if a lot of people make money. This has been a terrible year so far with breaks so this will tell where the hobby is going. I hope everyone makes money and makes me jealous!:o What do you think will be the next money maker?

[jebjeb1]

I made good money busting Bowman with a horrible 1-110 checklist so my outlook on this is much better. If a box is $60 and you make an average of $30 on your auto per box, you can certainly make another $60 per box on the #d inserts, chrome lots and base sets.

[Jhawk1]

Do you think most autos will go for $30? Isn't that kinda high? I guess I have been reading too many posts on the former site but I just don't see it. Plus a ton of people bust this and topps increased production. Flea-bay will be flooded. I hope I am wrong but we will see...

[otmack2o]

Do you think most autos will go for $30? Isn't that kinda high? I guess I have been reading too many posts on the former site but I just don't see it. Plus a ton of people bust this and topps increased production. Flea-bay will be flooded. I hope I am wrong but we will see...

I don't think he was saying most will go for $30, but rather average $30 each. A $150 auto can offset quite a few $10 autos to get that $30 average...

[Jhawk1]

I don't think he was saying most will go for $30, but rather average $30 each. A $150 auto can offset quite a few $10 autos to get that $30 average...

True but how many autos will be $150? Are the good autos SP's or did Topps not decide to do that? I dunno, brentandbecca used to post on here how much he made on certain products and I haven't seen one of those posts in while. Again, I don't want to be a pessimist but...

[Cubfan86]

Take this for what it is but I am a little more optimistic now. I had a friend call Clay at Topps and he said as far as he knows there are NO SP's in Bowman chrome. Hopefully the rumors are just that and we have a chance at the better auto pulls per case.

[jebjeb1]

There are 36 autos in the set. Joba and Lincecum will be at least $150 out of the gate. Pence, Betances and Fmart should be close to $100 and Reynolds and Samardijza should be at least $75. So if the odds go your way you should average at least $30 per auto.

[jebjeb1]

Actually you should average closer to $45 or $50 for auto when you factor in the premium for #d autos which should fall 4 per case.

[phil]

Actually you should average closer to $45 or $50 for auto when you factor in the premium for #d autos which should fall 4 per case.


maybe the first 2-3 days, but beyond that i wouldn't count on that in this current soft market. if the avg auto IS $50, base prospects will be devalued and base 1-220 sets will be $5-10... and the box price will skyrocket. i don't see it, though.

i suspect everyone is overestimating the range of values the top names will be able to maintain at least a little. maybe a lot. not knocking the product at all because i think it will be great, just not quite as optimistic as some on the auto prices.

[tarzanlovesjane]

Phil, you and I are in total agreement on this. The problem I see is that Joba Chamberlain is NOT going to outsell Phil Hughes, who's cards are in the $100 - $125 range. Tim Linecum MIGHT right out of the gate, but will have to finish strong to keep up any momentum, and being on a terrible team in a weak buyers market will hurt.

The second point to make is there is no outside the hobby hype for this product like there was with Alex Gordon. Last year you had people who'd never owned a trading card trying to buy Alex Gordon stuff because the mainstream media was inundated with information about him. It was Topps' perfect marketing storm. They created an unparalelled frenzy which I do not think will be duplicated this year.

Anyways, I'm more on board with you that people are highly overestimating the value of these cards. I just don't see the realized prices some are hoping for, but good luck to all!

maybe the first 2-3 days, but beyond that i wouldn't count on that in this current soft market. if the avg auto IS $50, base prospects will be devalued and base 1-220 sets will be $5-10... and the box price will skyrocket. i don't see it, though.

i suspect everyone is overestimating the range of values the top names will be able to maintain at least a little. maybe a lot. not knocking the product at all because i think it will be great, just not quite as optimistic as some on the auto prices.

[BAMBAM]

Wow, miss a few days and really fall out of the loop. Whats this about Topps adding autos to BC last week ?

[jebjeb1]

I agree that Joba will not outsell Hughes a few weeks after release but keep this in mind...there are 1,000 of Bowman Chrome Hughes cards out there and every prospector who wanted one has one. The first few days of release there may only be 20-30 Joba autos listed and everyone will want to get one driving up prices. I have seen this will every Topps release with the hot RCs.

I hope I'm right or my wife will be asking where is all the money I said I would make on that credit card purchase. :confused:

[Wai]

I am buying 5 cases and will keep 3 sealed.
I will bust 1 or 2 cases to see if I am lucky enough to pull
a Joba Chamberlain, Tim Lincecum or FMart auto.

[tarzanlovesjane]

Wow, miss a few days and really fall out of the loop. Whats this about Topps adding autos to BC last week ?

Bam, they added five more autographs to the checklist for a total of 36 autos, they are:

BC252 Paul Estrada (Astros)
BC253 Brad Lincoln (Pirates)
BC254 Cedric Hunter (Padres) - this is odd, as he already has a 'base' Chrome card (BC174)
BC255 Chad Rodgers (Braves)
BC256 Mark Hamilton (Cardinals)

[BAMBAM]

Bam, they added five more autographs to the checklist for a total of 36 autos, they are:

BC252 Paul Estrada (Astros)
BC253 Brad Lincoln (Pirates)
BC254 Cedric Hunter (Padres) - this is odd, as he already has a 'base' Chrome card (BC174)
BC255 Chad Rodgers (Braves)
BC256 Mark Hamilton (Cardinals)

Thanks Rene - Wow, doesn't look like much in that group prospect wise. Hamilton has some pop but is far from a blue chipper. I would not be disappointed if I "missed out" on pulling any of this group.;)

[jebjeb1]

That group of players they added could have been worse.

Lincoln is a former #3 overall pick and has no other Topps or UD autos. Could be a $40 auto out of the gate despite his injury.

Cedric Hunter is regarded as the future leadoff hitter for the Padres and is only 19.

Hamilton is a former 2nd round pick for the Cards and just got called up to A.

The rest are fillers.

[swerve]

Well, I'm not ripping. I wanted to but I just have too much going on and after the beating from Topps Chrome and Score FB I'm a little skeptical of ripping anything right now.

[scottiff]

I love Bowman Chrome so to kick off my first post on this board I will join in the fray. Ok some are talking about Joba cards not outselling Hughes cards. Maybe not in the long run but I think prospectors are all about the here and now. When they buy these prospects I don't think they are necessarily thinking about prospect A from 2004 versus prospect B from this year. They just know they want him and the market sets the price based on that demand. I am sure there are some that are very thorough and will view this but I think the majority will just shuck the bucks to get their man. I'm in for 12 cases and will open at least 7.

[jebjeb1]

Scottif:

Totally agree with your assesment. Were you the one who shared you stories last year about you getting $250+ for your Upton and Gordon autos out of the gate?

[scottiff]

No unfortunately that was not me. I listed as quickly as I could but I get my stuff no earlier than any of us regular guys here on the board. I wish Chrome worked like Draft. With Draft you don't have to be in such a hurry. It really is weird. Now on the autos it is still pretty much first come first serve but with the prospect lots and refractors they hold if not gain in value a couple of weeks after release. It has to do with the Christmas season. It is an anomaly but an awesome one. My lots of Draft last year sold better the week after Christmas than they did the week of release of the product.

[jebjeb1]

I think a lot of it has to do with bidding on Mr. Mems first lots out of the gate. Some no name prospect's 20 card lot might go for $20 and everyone else starts to wonder what the winning bidder knew that I didn't.

[solt0131]

If you have a 10 card prospect lot for each of the 110 prospects, would you recommend 24 hour, 3 day or 5 day listing?

Also...the same for a 20 card prospect lot of each.

Thanks

[scottiff]

I don't know if this is best but I have been doing 3 day on the lots in the past. I may re-think that myself this year. I think we all need Chrome to be good, and it usually is. We need something to restore our faith right now. A lot of us on here have taken some real beatings recently. I hope it is just everyone saving their money for Chrome.:D

[frozenntimesports]

I'm in for 6 cases, I may rip one but I will be out of town for a week so I will also have a case of Topps chrome football yelling at me. I've never hoped for a product release to be delayed as badly as this one.

[tdkjlk]

Early on I got $300 for an Upton, $250 for an Alex Gordon, and $100 for a Brandon Wood last year....so I could see how a Joba could outsell Philip Hughes out of the gate.

[otmack2o]

I have two cases coming in right now and my hardest decision is figuring out whether to hold or to rip.

Is anyone here interested in all of the base or chrome prospects from two cases if I were to rip? If so, drop me a PM.

[go_steelers07]

i'm want to do 4 cases, but only have time for 1-2. i'm hoping to get mine on tuesday the 14th.

[otmack2o]

Just added case #3 a few minutes ago :)

[Cutty]

Just put in my order for 2 cases, planning on sitting on them, but most likely will bust 6 boxes or so...

[phil]

small price jump

[jebjeb1]

Thought about getting 2 more cases yesterday but can't pull the trigger at current price point.

[go_steelers07]

Just put in my order for 2 cases, planning on sitting on them, but most likely will bust 6 boxes or so...

sealed cases should sell for more than individual boxes. if you feel the need to bust, buy seperate boxes....... but keep the 12 box cases sealed.

[scottiff]

Steelers is right on the money. Sealed cases will definitely sell higher per box than singles. I want to bust a LOT of my 12 case order really badly. My heart says rip the crap out of it but my brain says leave it ALL sealed.

[otmack2o]

My heart says rip the crap out of it but my brain says leave it ALL sealed.

So, I am not the only one? lol

[frozenntimesports]

So, I am not the only one? lol

I'm in for six, I'm probably going to shred one, but if I want to shred more I'll order it from Chris so I can keep the five sealed to make a profit when they go up. Last year I did this and made $700 a case (I got in at $650 and sold for $1350 a pop, I read it perfect, not expecting that again).

[mmbtvs]

Did my research, and I believe this is the oldest thread on the board not started by blowoutcards. And yes I know he was a MOD at the time, but I think it still counts. Beat out a thread from Boo by 2 minutes.

[jimssouvenirs]

Hahahaha, nice. What happened to this guys moderator-ship?

[mmbtvs]

Not sure. He's still semi-active on the forum, but fish and pskell took over mod duties before I was truely active here.

[cekirsch129]

Lol, 07 bowman chrome... yikes

[Boo]

Damn, 2 minutes!

[benshobbies]

I was going to say! "Bowman Chrome 2007 will be released..." Feels like I time warped into the best rookie year we've had in a while! Brings back definite memories though of pulling Daisuke Matsuzaka RC's left and right!

[Highlander23]

Boy, I had a great break of this stuff back in the day!!

[WilsonValdez]

I can't wait for this product to come out. I have a feeling that I'm going open a retail pack from Wal-Mart and pull a Joba Refractor Auto (and then sell it for $300). Just a hunch.

[cekirsch129]

I can't wait for this product to come out. I have a feeling that I'm going open a retail pack from Wal-Mart and pull a Joba Refractor Auto (and then sell it for $300). Just a hunch.

You're wiser than I was... I pulled a F-Mart blue refractor auto shortly after release. Could've had about 250 for it, but held because I thought he was gonna be the next best thing. Sold it over the summer for maybe 40 bucks, lol... ugh

[nephinfan]

So is this stuff going to be delayed by Topps? Lol!

[otmack2o]

Woo-Hoo! What do I win!?

[WhacksPacks]

Lol que? :confused:

[VWBUS1978]

Woo-Hoo! What do I win!?

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[otmack2o]

Awesome! Who is the guy that I get to boot?

[MC80_LCM]

I have fond memories of 07 Bowman Chrome. It was the first prospect product I ever bought. Pulled a Joba Xfractor, Lincecum Blue and a Jeff Locke Orange. Sold the Locke for around $120, gemmed the Lincy and sold for $400 and for some ungodly reason I still have the Joba. I've been scared to ever look at ebay to see what they actually sell for for the past few years. I also sold some Johnny Cueto chromes for almost $10 a piece when he got hot. I more than made my money back on 5 or so cards.

[natbornkiller]

hey guys u want want to prospect that lincecum kid

[frozenntimesports]

So is this stuff going to be delayed by Topps? Lol!

No, last time I remember Topps being on time. I wound up flipping all my cases sealed to Blowout for a $2400 net profit.

It was so easy back then.

[cakjerseys27]

Take this for what it is but I am a little more optimistic now. I had a friend call Clay at Topps and he said as far as he knows there are NO SP's in Bowman chrome. Hopefully the rumors are just that and we have a chance at the better auto pulls per case.

Your very right. I'm sure it does help. I have a bunch of prospect base, Machado, Bundy, Myers, Buxton etc. I have a couple chrome autos, Skaggs, Marte. I have a Profar TTT auto jersey, and an extra Soler auto from my pc. I just didn't want to type out an entire list of singles, base, etc. Sorry. I collect Cubs prospects and Avisail Garcia.