oncardauto = scammer

[houseofcards]

Made a big trade and decided to ship at the same time. Due to unforseen circumstances and my general apprehensiveness due to lack of feedback, i wasnt able to ship the same day. I then decided to wait for his package because it was already out for delivery. Got the package. Bubble mailer with decoy. Hhahha. Good luck idiot. Dont deal with this idiot.

[Cactuspies]

report to mods to have the ban hammer smashed down on his face...also post or have this moved this to the member feedback area

[deboesports]

http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff427/Jared_Ryan_Hays/Releasethehounds.jpg

[tradecardz]

Wow, just checked my PM's and he contacted me a week ago about my Blake Griffin RPM Auto 9.5 and my Sam Bradford Printing Plate Auto, lol... at least he has taste

[AlabamaSlamma]

i was in trade talks with him for a big deal as well, but we never got anywhere. thanks for letting us know. keep this thread at the top.

[got_watcha_want]

Yeah, when I have dealt with scammers before. They one give me pause when a deal is a little too over the top and seems too good to be true.

Then they really love to push the "lets send at the same time" bit. So this guy actually wasted his postage and the price of DC for a decoy in a bubble mailer.... HA HA.

Good job houseofcards on being careful and looking out for the rest of us!!!

I negotiated somewhat with him and the deal fell through. Now I read this, thanks.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

"You moving any of your MJ autos?
or the Dual Kobe/Lebron auto "
Here is what he wanted from me....he does have good taste.

[deboesports]

i see how this is going to go. he'll say..oh my i thought it was in there. or i had so many cards going out then i must have just grabbed without looking. blah blah blah. the same old i got caught song and dance.

[burke23]

I believe he was on SCF and got banned for the same thing (the images in his bucket of the exquisite boxes was familiar)...was he from Virginia?

[doctorres112]

I was going to buy a spurs lot from him though he was never able to give me close up pics of the cards or name the exact cards in the lot. Glad I didn't do this.

[bagallim]

ha wow he wanted by durant spa and hot prospects quite the character!

[lakernation10]

Hahaha thank god u didnt send out, what was the deal for?

[LincecumPC]

I think I was the first to deal with him and we had a deal upwards of 8k, but at the last minute I said I wasn't comfortable with it. he agreed to send half first, which I did receive, and even sent extras for my son's PC. eventually we called off the deal because we could not agree to a deal for what he had sent me so I ended up sending the biggest card to spauthentic84 in his deal with him for Rose SPA.

I spoke to several people who he said he was tight with and that is what confirmed my suspicions on him. it seems that he has burned some bridges with some well known dealers on ebay.

[bronxbombers14]

He just ripped me out of $1400 worth of cards... trying to straighten it out

[mos2280]

He just ripped me out of $900 worth of cards... trying to straighten it out

keep us posted

[crazymj]

lol, looks like houseofcards, you pulled a fast one too. Sounds like you guys agreed to mail out the cards first, and then you thought hey, its a little fishy, i'm going to mail out the cards after i receive his package just to make sure. I mean in this case it obviously saved your cards, but in a normal trade, its kinda a shady practice.

[bronxbombers14]

If anyone wants his phone number i have it. He seems like he is a good guy but i dont really know how much i trust him. Could i call the cops or sue if i dont get anything?

[TheMaster]

Leave him a feedback and report him.
We don't need people like him in this site.

He just ripped me out of $900 worth of cards... trying to straighten it out

[jlzinck]

lol, looks like houseofcards, you pulled a fast one too. Sounds like you guys agreed to mail out the cards first, and then you thought hey, its a little fishy, i'm going to mail out the cards after i receive his package just to make sure. I mean in this case it obviously saved your cards, but in a normal trade, its kinda a shady practice.

BINGO.....I wouldn't deal with OP either now

[bagallim]

Had a great deal with op sent first no problem!

[LincecumPC]

Had a great deal with op sent first no problem!

same here. I think he was just listening to his gut about oncardauto so you can't blame him for that.

[torey69]

Something kinda stinks here...Didn't you just leave him this exact feedback on Feb. 23rd "Excellent Very High End Trade A++++ Highly Recommended!!!!"
Sounds like you had already made a "very high end trade", so what were the unforseen curcumstances? and what made you feel as if you needed to wait to receive before sending, considering this feedback and previously completing a trade?
Not saying he didn't try to rip you off...just saying something stinks here!

[girltrader]

BINGO.....I wouldn't deal with OP either now

very well said:)

[TheMaster]

I agree with crazymj. Just thinking of it, if that was someone else and you guys agreed to send the card the same time. How will the other guy react when he sends out his card and finds out you didn't?


lol, looks like houseofcards, you pulled a fast one too. Sounds like you guys agreed to mail out the cards first, and then you thought hey, its a little fishy, i'm going to mail out the cards after i receive his package just to make sure. I mean in this case it obviously saved your cards, but in a normal trade, its kinda a shady practice.

[got_watcha_want]

lol, looks like houseofcards, you pulled a fast one too. Sounds like you guys agreed to mail out the cards first, and then you thought hey, its a little fishy, i'm going to mail out the cards after i receive his package just to make sure. I mean in this case it obviously saved your cards, but in a normal trade, its kinda a shady practice.


Dude I have to disagree here. I have 100+ trades on SCF and Beckett so don't let my low feedback fool you. I have dealt with scammers before.

I have never pulled this move an actually agreed to send at the same time, but I have been in situations that I almost have agreed just to check with my gut feeling on a shady trader. The deal fell through and then I read a post a week later saying someone else got ripped by sending at the same time with them.

All I could do at that point was post on there how I didn't fall for it. And depending on how this works out...it looks like this thread was too late for bronxbombers!!!


bronxbombers- if he pulls the same move with the blank dummy card, he would have a DC # showing that something was delivered. I am not sure how that will pan out for you???
Let us know if that is what you get in the mail and this thread will be confirmed.

[torey69]

I agree with crazymj. Just thinking of it, if that was someone else and you guys agreed to send the card the same time. How will the other guy react when he sends out his card and finds out you didn't?

Well said !!

[Orangejello727]

I dont know why anyone would agree to send out at the same time.

As a seller, I expect to be paid prior to sending out.
As a buyer, I expect to pay before seller sends my cards

As a new buyer & Seller with no feedback or little, you should always be the first to send cards or payment. Thats my guidelines!!

[torey69]

Come on man !! It was a trade. Read before you speak.

[got_watcha_want]

I dont know why anyone would agree to send out at the same time.

As a seller, I expect to be paid prior to sending out.
As a buyer, I expect to pay before seller sends my cards

As a new buyer & Seller with no feedback or little, you should always be the first to send cards or payment. Thats my guidelines!!

+1 here....I won't make any high end trades with newer members while MY feedback is in it's infancy. It is just a condition I set on myself until I have the appropriate feedback to not be required to send first with newbies.

[bronxbombers14]

would it do anything if i file a police report?

[crazymj]

Yea trading is always hard which is why i prefer to just either sell my card or buy the card. At least u're protect under paypal in some kind of way. Yea if i had like 100 feedbback, and someone has only like 2, u can make a case that they send first, but say that orange u're trading with me, u obviously been around and post regularly but only has 8 feedbacks, you might be offended if i say you HAVE to send your cards first and then i send. And is there an exact rule on who sends first on the forum? If someone has less than 10 feedback they have to send first or smoething? what if both traders have less than 10 feedbacks. And its very easy to just get feedbacks since there's always new users on here looking to "trade feedback". Or they can just do couple low end deals and get those feedbacks before they move in for the kill and they can pull off couple very high end trades at the same time before someone actually reports him. And there's no way for others to see what exact card he bought/sold in order to get those feedbacks similar to ebay.
And OP, i'm not accusing you of scamming or anything, not saying u would pretend the send your package out and eventually don't. And maybe its because this trader did seem a little shady and didn't have many feedbacks which is why you decided to do this, but its just frowned upon.
But props for still posting this even tho it might paint you a slightly negative image as well, but you probably still helped couple more people from falling victim.

[crazymj]

would it do anything if i file a police report?

Did you put insurance on the package? and it would help if u can find other people in the same situation as you to make your case stronger. But if you lost like more than $500 worth, it definitely possible to file a police report for online scam and you can probably even take him to people's court. See you on judge judy's. (that show's still on right? i don't actually watch it)

[houseofcards]

Yea i did leave him positive because we had already done one deal. He sent first on that deal and everything worked out hence the positive feedback. I dont care he had 4 feedback. Ive completed several high end trades so far totalling well over 4k if you have the superior feedback ill send first. He had none so yes i was skeptical. If you dont want to deal with me i dont care its your loss im a good oerson it just didnt sit well with me.

[bronxbombers14]

No insurance. But i have talked to the post office lady and she said there was no way it weighed 1 ounce and had stuff in it.

There was $1400 worth of cards in there

[Orangejello727]

Come on man !! It was a trade. Read before you speak.

Who are you talking to? Stop being a tardy bum and atleast quote the person you are referring to.

If its me that you talking about, then what is it that you want me to read?

[Orangejello727]

Yea trading is always hard which is why i prefer to just either sell my card or buy the card. At least u're protect under paypal in some kind of way. Yea if i had like 100 feedbback, and someone has only like 2, u can make a case that they send first, but say that orange u're trading with me, u obviously been around and post regularly but only has 8 feedbacks, you might be offended if i say you HAVE to send your cards first and then i send. And is there an exact rule on who sends first on the forum? If someone has less than 10 feedback they have to send first or smoething? what if both traders have less than 10 feedbacks. And its very easy to just get feedbacks since there's always new users on here looking to "trade feedback". Or they can just do couple low end deals and get those feedbacks before they move in for the kill and they can pull off couple very high end trades at the same time before someone actually reports him. And there's no way for others to see what exact card he bought/sold in order to get those feedbacks similar to ebay.
And OP, i'm not accusing you of scamming or anything, not saying u would pretend the send your package out and eventually don't. And maybe its because this trader did seem a little shady and didn't have many feedbacks which is why you decided to do this, but its just frowned upon.
But props for still posting this even tho it might paint you a slightly negative image as well, but you probably still helped couple more people from falling victim.


When you concern yourself with a high end trade or a trade valued with more money that you are not comfy with, then set up some sort of escrow.

I have low feedback here but have done a good deal of high end trades but we just dont leave feedback. Having my low feedback and you had asked me to send first, Id probably do it based on your feedback. I wouldnt take it personally that you asked me to send first. Im sure others might, but I guess the smart thing to do is find a way to make the trade happen if you want it.

I dont know how to rectify a trade between two people who can come to a solution. Maybe its not worth trading. I also think you can feel out a person on trades as well. Im pretty active and so are you. I wouldnt question you on a trade. But if I ran across a person thats not active and suddenly has big cards up for trade out of nowhere, id honestly put everything into doubt. Enough doubt and I would want them to send first.

Ive been ripped off a few times in hobby career. One of them was pretty big. Worth about $18k. I learned my lesson. A few times been swindled out of smaller cards. But Ive tracked most of them down and stated my case for them to do right and they have. I remember when I tracked down some bum student in Texas at a college that tried to rip me off. Called him and gave him an ultimatum on returning my cards or facing a payback!! Worked out!

[brandonlec]

I sent him a Kobe Auto for a Durant Auto. My Kobe is on my way to him, and his Durant package is on the way to me. He gave me a DC number.
I'll probably open up the package on video and I'll assist in this polic file if I don't get the Durant.

What address did he give you?

-Brandon

[kenny3011]

I just contacted houseofcards and it looks like this is the same guy that tried to scam me over at SCF

The guy from SCF also had the high stack of NT cases, he tried to scam me for about 2 cases worth of cards.

He had 0 and I had about 40 feedback but he insisted on sending at the same time. But mods became suspicious he was a scammer that had been banned previously and pmed telling me not to send first, also when he sent me his tracking number, the weight of the package was only a pound, so it was became obvious it was a scam then.

The packaged arrived, but inside was an empty NT box, so in the end I got a free empty NT box and he lost out on shipping :)

[Devolution]

I just contacted houseofcards and it looks like this is the same guy that tried to scam me over at SCF

The guy from SCF also had the high stack of NT cases, he tried to scam me for about 2 cases worth of cards.

He had 0 and I had about 40 feedback but he insisted on sending at the same time. But mods became suspicious he was a scammer that had been banned previously and pmed telling me not to send first, also when he sent me his tracking number, the weight of the package was only a pound, so it was became obvious it was a scam then.

The packaged arrived, but inside was an empty NT box, so in the end I got a free empty NT box and he lost out on shipping :)
mad props to the mods that pm'd you

[playhard]

Thanks so much, I almost did trade with him also!

[burke23]

I sent him a Kobe Auto for a Durant Auto. My Kobe is on my way to him, and his Durant package is on the way to me. He gave me a DC number.
I'll probably open up the package on video and I'll assist in this polic file if I don't get the Durant.

What address did he give you?

-Brandon

I would suggest calling his local PO and asking them to hold the package so he doesn't receive.

[got_watcha_want]

Yea trading is always hard which is why i prefer to just either sell my card or buy the card. At least u're protect under paypal in some kind of way. Yea if i had like 100 feedbback, and someone has only like 2, u can make a case that they send first, but say that orange u're trading with me, u obviously been around and post regularly but only has 8 feedbacks, you might be offended if i say you HAVE to send your cards first and then i send.

Man CrazyMJ, my first feedback came from you on this forum. Feedback is everything to me when I start trading on a forum. I doubt I would have sent you $100 via gift payment (for a stockton auto) if your feedback was at say even 30-40 positives.

On high end stuff, I only trade with established members when I have a low feedback score. Sure I might miss out on some cards. But I hope someone here reads this and sees how they can miss out on getting scammed by a trader with little or no trading history.

[bronxbombers14]

I dont think this guy is doing anything wrong at this point. He seems to have had a mistake and is now fixing my deal i think.

[leeex1]

I dont think this guy is doing anything wrong at this point. He seems to have had a mistake and is now fixing my deal i think.

Just because he's trying to 'fix' his 'mistakes' doesn't hide the fact he sent a decoy package does it?

[jameshues]

Can you tell me his address so I know not to deal with him even if its from an alias account?

[bronxbombers14]

Guys dont be to quick to judge. He has someone working for him that did this. I will update you if i get my cards. He seems like a honest guy.

[mos2280]

Just because he's trying to 'fix' his 'mistakes' doesn't hide the fact he sent a decoy package does it?

agreed. don't fall for his tricks again!

[got_watcha_want]

I dont think this guy is doing anything wrong at this point. He seems to have had a mistake and is now fixing my deal i think.

Why is he banned elsewhere? Why does he have the same address as the guy that sent an empty box of NT and pulled the same type of move on SCF?

I wouldn't get my hopes up, but I understand that you need to stay positive in case this is an honest mistake.

I would usually say that you don't want to create a scammer out of an honest trader by bashing him.....but if this is the same dude from SCF, he has a reputation already.

How did he get you to send at the same time with only 3 positive feedbacks vs your 20+ ? He must be a pretty smooth talking guy, or had you traded with him before?

[torey69]

Who are you talking to? Stop being a tardy bum and atleast quote the person you are referring to.

If its me that you talking about, then what is it that you want me to read?

Who the heck do you think I'm talking to. This thread was started because of a trade gone bad and for what ever reason you decide to throw in your 2 cents on how to send if your the buyer or the seller. Don't call me a tardy bum you ignorant pile!

[hairyangryfella]

You guys are a bit simple when it comes to the feedback side of this site... there is NO TRANSACTION FORUM so feedbacks don't link to anything. Heck, if I wanted to, I could go and leave a positive feedback for everyone in this thread! Obviously that's stupid and I wouldn't do that, but there's nothing to prevent me doing so. So even if someone has any amount of feedback there's no guarantee it's all legit!

[houseofcards]

True enough but if the feedback is from established members then it does make a bit of a difference. To me anyhow.

[crazymj]

I dont think this guy is doing anything wrong at this point. He seems to have had a mistake and is now fixing my deal i think.

Hope you do get your cards. Even if its because attention has been brought to his case now and he's afraid of being reported to the police or us telling on him to his mom.

[Orangejello727]

Who the heck do you think I'm talking to. This thread was started because of a trade gone bad and for what ever reason you decide to throw in your 2 cents on how to send if your the buyer or the seller. Don't call me a tardy bum you ignorant pile!

You need to read the forum rules on fair trading. Do yourself a favor and PLEASE GO OVER THE FORUM RULES.

When you buy a card on any forum or ebay, you PAY FIRST. Then the SELLER SENDS YOU THE CARD.

Are you stupid enough to tell me that the process is wrong? That the buyer should get his card first before sending?

You are supporting a guy that sent a decoy card as his part of the trade. Good to know

[gordo33]

I dont blame houseofcards for not sending. he is a good friend of mine Ive known for yrs. this deal also sounded to good to be true to me. If anything houseofcards is someone you want to deal with. I wouldnt of sent either considering he oncardauto has history of bad trades elsewhere. I sure there are a few other members on here that know houseofcards personally that can vouch.

[Bowman48auto]

What is the guys address? I have offices all of the country and would be happy to send a singing telegram

[torey69]

You need to read the forum rules on fair trading. Do yourself a favor and PLEASE GO OVER THE FORUM RULES.

When you buy a card on any forum or ebay, you PAY FIRST. Then the SELLER SENDS YOU THE CARD.

Are you stupid enough to tell me that the process is wrong? That the buyer should get his card first before sending?

You are supporting a guy that sent a decoy card as his part of the trade. Good to know

What do you not understand that this thread is not about buying or selling. I think the process of who sends when either buying or selling is extremely elementary and does not need your redundant opinion.
I am not supporting anybody in this thread. I also do not support a TRADE where the parties agreed to ship same time...and then for "whatever circumstances 1 party decides not to ship and then has the horrible courtesey to wait until they receive theirs...as it turns out, the TRADE went bad. Still does not justify not shipping when you said you would. I dislike people who try to take advantage of others. There's no excuse, which brings me to your posts...please do us all a favor and just go away.

[Orangejello727]

What do you not understand that this thread is not about buying or selling. I think the process of who sends when either buying or selling is extremely elementary and does not need your redundant opinion.
I am not supporting anybody in this thread. I also do not support a TRADE where the parties agreed to ship same time...and then for "whatever circumstances 1 party decides not to ship and then has the horrible courtesey to wait until they receive theirs...as it turns out, the TRADE went bad. Still does not justify not shipping when you said you would. I dislike people who try to take advantage of others. There's no excuse, which brings me to your posts...please do us all a favor and just go away.

You clearly have supported oncardautos who sent a decoy card in a mailer. that in itself shows the type of person you are. If anything, people like you need to go away as you support those who try and rip people off.

Who the heck do you think I'm talking to. This thread was started because of a trade gone bad and for what ever reason you decide to throw in your 2 cents on how to send if your the buyer or the seller. Don't call me a tardy bum you ignorant pile!

The trade went bad as soon as the guy sent a decoy instead of the cards he was suppose to send. End of story.

[ckeer]

Well, trading is based on trust, higher feedback does not equate to higher integrity. The "who send first" part should have already been worked out prior to any party sending out anything so OP, that's low for going back on your words. Your only saving grace is that your gamble paid off and you were not scammed.

On the side note, bronxbombers14, you do severely over value your cards from what i can see in your ebay completed listing and when we negotiated for a trade so I wouldn't be surprised if the package you sent had an actual value of 1/10 of what you claimed it was to be.

Moral of the story: If the deal is too good to be true, then it probably is.

[torey69]

Well, trading is based on trust, higher feedback does not equate to higher integrity. The "who send first" part should have already been worked out prior to any party sending out anything so OP, that's low for going back on your words. Your only saving grace is that your gamble paid off and you were not scammed.

On the side note, bronxbombers14, you do severely over value your cards from what i can see in your ebay completed listing and when we negotiated for a trade so I wouldn't be surprised if the package you sent had an actual value of 1/10 of what you claimed it was to be.

Moral of the story: If the deal is too good to be true, then it probably is.

Well said !

[torey69]

You clearly have supported oncardautos who sent a decoy card in a mailer. that in itself shows the type of person you are. If anything, people like you need to go away as you support those who try and rip people off.



The trade went bad as soon as the guy sent a decoy instead of the cards he was suppose to send. End of story.

You have a distinct problem of judging people with zero knowledge. Shut your pie hole pussy pants.

[Orangejello727]

You have a distinct problem of judging people with zero knowledge. Shut your pie hole pussy pants.

Name calling wont get you far. But supporting ripoff artist sure does paint a "True" picture of you!

Ill gladly trade with you. But no way in hell would I do it having you send 2nd. You probably would pull the same stunt this guy did.

[torey69]

Name calling wont get you far. But supporting ripoff artist sure does paint a "True" picture of you!

Ill gladly trade with you. But no way in hell would I do it having you send 2nd. You probably would pull the same stunt this guy did.

Not trying to get far...just painting your picture. Don't need to worry about trading...look at your stats---8 whopping trades and TWO THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED AND TWELVE posts. You sir are probably the most opinionated idiot on this board. End of your story.

[Orangejello727]

Thats because I buy on ebay. Its much easier and safer than having to deal with thugs like you trying to rip people off by sending decoys. Since you support such things, im sure If I paid you for a card, you wouldnt have any issues sending me a decoy cards instead of the card i paid for. I mean you find nothing wrong with such actions. You big bad card collector you!

[torey69]

Thats because I buy on ebay. Its much easier and safer than having to deal with thugs like you trying to rip people off by sending decoys. Since you support such things, im sure If I paid you for a card, you wouldnt have any issues sending me a decoy cards instead of the card i paid for. I mean you find nothing wrong with such actions. You big bad card collector you!

You don't know me, but yet you say such mean, derogitory things about me.
Please repeat until you and only you understand:

I AM WE TODD DID
I AM SOFA KING WE TODD DID !!!

Quit crapping on this poor guys thread, Shut your Pie Hole.

[Orangejello727]

You need to be banned torey69.

Its a shame the site lets 12 yr olds like you run around with a foul mouth. I commend you for trying to help the scammer get away by reversing the situation and focusing on send times rather than the guy sending a decoy. I have a feeling you are in cahootz with his scamming ways.

[Orangejello727]

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/basketball-singles-buy-sell-trade/257744-high-end-trade-2.html



People...Don't be too quick to judge! Something very shady about the BO member who is pointing the finger.

Just for the record... your boy that you are supporting oncardautos is banned from the site. Thanks for supporting a scammer!

[torey69]

You need to be banned torey69.

Its a shame the site lets 12 yr olds like you run around with a foul mouth. I commend you for trying to help the scammer get away by reversing the situation and focusing on send times rather than the guy sending a decoy. I have a feeling you are in cahootz with his scamming ways.

Thats your whole problem...your just too dang opinionated.
Oh, as of tonite, I support anyone who scams OrangeJello727!
This has clearly gone way south and will be my last post. I assume that you will need to get the last jab/insult...people like you ALWAYS do.

[Orangejello727]

Oh, as of tonite, I support anyone who scams OrangeJello727!


As always. Right again! I call them like I see them. You were easy to point out.

[BeingJustin]

Hey Torey....

Your not going to win. End of story.

[rhigh2390]

I agree with Justin and Orangejello. Nobody on this site or any other for that matter should ever support any type of scamming or dishonesty. It's wrong to take people's hard earned money because of your selfishness. This is a hobby that true collector's like myself very much enjoy! I never want to get ripped off and i'm never going to rip anyone off simply because it's wrong. If I buy a card, thats the card I should to receive and if I sell a card, thats the card I am going to send the buyer. Thats the end of the story!

[Dave]

He tried to scam me last night. I just got into the hobby and spent my savings on boxes (about 3k) and pulled about $700 BV in autos total. I got screwed and wanted to consolidate the value into 1-3 cards. He wanted to ship same time and I wouldnt agree. I asked if he would ship to a site mod so they could confirm the card and he refused and was suddenly no longer interested.

I told this guy this was the only stuff I had of any value and he was still willing to steal it from me. Hes obviously a piece of crap.

[bronxbombers14]

Why does the world have to come to this?

[gordo33]

I know the OP personally and in no way is he shady or a scammer. for 1 the deal was to good to be true which he was skeptical about and 2 his unforseen circumstances are personal problems that I wont discuss here with that being said he really didnt have a chance to send at the same time because not everyone has a chance to send at the same time even if thats what they agreed to. sometimes they dont ship for a couple days or ish happens. anyways for anyone to say the OP is shady is rediculous especially the deals he has made with established members and all were highend deals. just be glad that he saved the arses of those who were close to or made deals with oncardauto without losing out.

[Dave]

Why does the world have to come to this?

Theres always people out to get ahead by less than legit means.

[drob50]

I have only been on here for about 6 months (i think) and have been on very rarely at times, but I don't think I have ever seen a thread that didn't end up resorting to people having a go at each other???? I thought this hobby was about fun??

Just a thought... a few people have said that 'there is no excuse for not sending when you said you would'
Why not?

If I made a deal with someone, then happened across a thread like this one about that person, I would certainly hold onto my card until I received theirs!

Also, out of interest. I am only a 2 FB member on here, but I have over 100 on eBay and OzCardTrader, both of which have 'accountable' feedback and I have never cheated anyone out of a deal/card. Would references to other sites hold as much value as FB on here to you guys?

[Dave]

I have over 100 ebay fb as well and still get treated as if im going to scam on deals. Ive even offered to provide my contact info and told people to message me on ebay and id respond. The reasonable will count your ebay fb as a good reference. Those that wont are just stubborn and think that everyone should just trust them.

I myself am stubborn and even with zero rep here I wont send first. I might accept half, then send and get other half later and if they arent willing to do that ill offer to use a site mod as a middleman sort of speak. If they refuse I tend to assume shady behavior as I did with "oncardauto". Glad I did or id have nothing left.

[JOHNJOHNNY]

Ebay is all well and good but the fact is i have paypal backing me up as a buyer on ebay. I can somewhat hold you accountable on ebay. I can't hold you accountable on here.

Whos to say that we make a deal for super high end stuff, we agree to send at same time because you have great feedback on ebay, you don't send your stuff. You get my jordan/durant/etc autos and never sign on to this website again?

[drob50]

Ebay is all well and good but the fact is i have paypal backing me up as a buyer on ebay. I can somewhat hold you accountable on ebay. I can't hold you accountable on here.

Whos to say that we make a deal for super high end stuff, we agree to send at same time because you have great feedback on ebay, you don't send your stuff. You get my jordan/durant/etc autos and never sign on to this website again?

Fair enough, I know it is possible to cheat people... it's the Internet, there will always be a way for low life's to make money!

But my point is that 100 + FB on eBay surely is harder to get than fb on here. As mentioned, people can fake it here.

[whityscards]

Almost got scammed by a member on SCF, kinda sounds like the same guy...asked to send at the "same time" and only liked my Highestend cards. He wanted to send same time but due to his must send first tag he sent first. Package ended up having nothing insnde but penuts. There was a cut slit on the back of the mailer covered in tape. Think he paid for postage so it came up as if cards were inside then somehow got it back(or may have a guy on the inside?) and cut the slit and took out the cards and then shipped it to me.

Not sure what he tried to pull...found out later he scammed another member for a few grand worth of cards. Thank god I didnt. Believe his name was Peter Griffin or Family Guy? something like that..maybe Stewie? Cant remeber was a while ago. Ring anybells to this guys name on SCF? He was also from VA

[kenny3011]

Haha yep its the same guy, my guy was from VA aswell, if its ok I could post his address to prevent him scamming with a different name

[brandonlec]

Looks like he's banned now...

How am I suppose to contact him now IF my incoming package from him is empty?

-Brandon

[Orangejello727]

Looks like he's banned now...

How am I suppose to contact him now IF my incoming package from him is empty?

-Brandon

Do you have his email addy? If not, ask a mod to see if they will give it to you.

[brandonlec]

Do you have his email addy? If not, ask a mod to see if they will give it to you.

Who are the MODs on this site? Do you have any names? How do I find a list of MODs?

-Brandon

[whityscards]

Haha yep its the same guy, my guy was from VA aswell, if its ok I could post his address to prevent him scamming with a different name

nvm. not the same guy, just found the address in my emails. Guy was from Texas ha dunno were I got VA from...must been another time I got burned :/

[Orangejello727]

Who are the MODs on this site? Do you have any names? How do I find a list of MODs?

-Brandon


Iluvfish2 is one of the mods. And pksell

[mmbtvs]

Just a reminder to people. This is why it's a great idea to use an inbetween person on high end trades to protect yourselves. I know that Iluvfish2 has offered this service but has had very few takers. In my opinion high end trades, or trades that you might be concerned about the opposite party are the perfect time to take advantage of this offer to help protect yourself.

[show15]

Just a reminder to people. This is why it's a great idea to use an inbetween person on high end trades to protect yourselves. I know that Iluvfish2 has offered this service but has had very few takers. In my opinion high end trades, or trades that you might be concerned about the opposite party are the perfect time to take advantage of this offer to help protect yourself.

Very good point. Waiting a couple extra days for your cards is much better than not receiving at all. It's rare that you see a mod/whoever take time out of their day to appease and ease things. Especially when they ask nothing in return.

[houseofcards]

That's a great idea to have a middle man, especially a mod.

[brandonlec]

I was due to get my package in from him yesterday. All of a sudden it doesn't come and starts headed back to him. Right now it's in a city I live in half the year, but I didn't give him that address, so I know it won't be delivered there.

I'm looking to obtain his phone number but I got his email address. It's only oncardauto@gmail.com, so it makes me think it's an email for just his scamming/weirdness.
A lot of people that thought he was scamming them actually ended up getting their cards.... Hopefully after a little contact with this guy, I can join that list.
I guess all in all, I'm glad this whole situation is for a $150 card and not a $500+ card

-Brandon

[brandonlec]

Just emailed him, and it basically says it's invalid.

-Brandon

[brandonlec]

Any ideas/insight?

-Brandon

[Cactuspies]

you have his name and address? facebook and google can be very helpful, the mods here might have something, also pm the other guys he screwed over, you also may want to call the post office to find out what is going on, though your "package" was probably full of lice or something anyway.

[brandonlec]

Anyone else other than me waiting on a card(s) from this guy?

-Brandon

[bdrr]

Fair enough, I know it is possible to cheat people... it's the Internet, there will always be a way for low life's to make money!

But my point is that 100 + FB on eBay surely is harder to get than fb on here. As mentioned, people can fake it here.

I'd disagree with this. You're aware that you can buy and sell entire eBay accounts, right? Not to mention you can build feedback by buying or selling crap. Frankly, I'd never purchase a big ticket item from someone with less than 250 feedback on eBay.

Can feedback be faked here? Sure. Except if you bother to look at somebody's feedback and see who they've dealt with, it gives you a pretty good idea if they're on the up and up.

Speaking as somebody with over 1000 documented transactions via web forums (and another couple hundred more from other sites), the longer you're around and the more you deal the better you get at picking out the scammers from the legit members. I'm fairly certain that the other members of the K+ club would agree with me there.

You just have to be careful, and remember, if something seems fishy - just back off.

[girltrader]

really the MOD'S of this site should have taken this matter into there hand's...... and not let this go on for so long is this thread maybe now could be the right time guy's

[AlabamaSlamma]

Very good point. Waiting a couple extra days for your cards is much better than not receiving at all. It's rare that you see a mod/whoever take time out of their day to appease and ease things. Especially when they ask nothing in return.

i am more than happy to be an intermediary on a high end trade if my schedule permits. I have used this method on other trading sites and its a great alternative for users who may not have a lot of experience with high end deals and/or lower feedback. its an easy process and is well worth the extra 15/20 bucks each side would pay in secondary shipping.

[SPauthentic84]

Not sure how this happened. When I sent my Rose to this guy, I mailed it to VA. Its now being sold in Pittsburgh...
2008-09 SP AUTHENTIC DERRICK ROSE RC AUTO 3 COLOR PATCH 218/299 BGS 9 / 10!! | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2008-09-SP-AUTHENTIC-DERRICK-ROSE-RC-AUTO-3-COLOR-PATCH-218-299-BGS-9-10-/130660529693?pt=US_Basketball&hash=item1e6bf9761d)

[drob50]

I'd disagree with this. You're aware that you can buy and sell entire eBay accounts, right? Not to mention you can build feedback by buying or selling crap. Frankly, I'd never purchase a big ticket item from someone with less than 250 feedback on eBay.

Can feedback be faked here? Sure. Except if you bother to look at somebody's feedback and see who they've dealt with, it gives you a pretty good idea if they're on the up and up.

Speaking as somebody with over 1000 documented transactions via web forums (and another couple hundred more from other sites), the longer you're around and the more you deal the better you get at picking out the scammers from the legit members. I'm fairly certain that the other members of the K+ club would agree with me there.

You just have to be careful, and remember, if something seems fishy - just back off.


Fair enough!

I guess the reality is that you can always find a way to be a douche and ruin the hobby if you are committed enough!!

In my case, I have over 100 + FB on eBay and over 130 + on OzCardTrader, but I have never sold on eBay and probably 90% of my OCT FB's is from buying. I think it would be harder to rack up that sort of amount of FB as just a buyer!

And it breaks your heart when you work back at how much you must have spent on postage over that time :lol:

Could have a Jordan Auto just from Postage costs I reckon!