Redskins acquire #2 pick from Rams

[mnvikingstwins]

Source -- Washington Redskins acquire No. 2 overall pick from St. Louis Rams - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7668243/source-washington-redskins-acquire-no-2-overall-pick-st-louis-rams)
In a pre-draft blockbuster trade, the St. Louis Rams have agreed in principle to send the second overall pick in this year's draft to the Washington Redskins for three first-round draft picks and a second-round pick as well, according to a source in Cleveland familiar with the terms of the deal.

The trade, first reported by FoxSports.com, cannot be signed off on, turned in and processed until the new league year starts Tuesday at 4 p.m. EST, but it is expected to become official then.

In the deal, the Rams will receive the Redskins first-round in each of the next three years, plus Washington's second-round pick this year in return for the second overall pick that the Redskins now will use on whichever quarterback the Indianapolis Colts do not draft No. 1 overall.

There is a widespread expectation that Indianapolis will make Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck the No. 1 pick and then Washington would follow by selecting Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III.

The Browns had stepped up their efforts to try to acquire the No. 2 pick in recent days, going so far as to offer at least three No. 1 picks to the Rams and possibly even the second-round pick, according to one source familiar with the deal. Cleveland sensed it was going to get the deal done, only to be informed that St. Louis planned to deal the coveted No. 2 pick to the Redskins.

[TheHeel]

Let's hope for the Redskins sake that RG3 is the real deal.

[Ajax1723]

3 First Rounders? Seems like too much. Now they HAVE to sign another big Free Agent or two, at least V Jax or Colston, and someone else. They might as well, they dont have to pay a 1st rounder again until 2015.

[monkeymcgee]

Redskins mortgage their future for the hot thing of the moment...more news at 11 (Cowboys fan here) :P

[Bars and Bar]

Since they were out on Peyton, they decided to get RG3. Good move.... for the Rams!

[bjge_42]

Worst trade of the century.

Get the hell out of the league, 'Skins.

[monkeymcgee]

On the other side, hell of a deal for the Rams to pick up 2 1s and a 2 to move down 4 spots. Now they just have to draft smart.

[YanksBillsFan]

Shanny's future will be tied to this kid.

[dthimesch]

WOW. that is a TON to give up. crazy.

[Zacky1053]

Worst trade of the century.

Get the hell out of the league, 'Skins.

I don't like it either. Not a knock on Griffin I hope he turns out to be a great QB but that's some value going to STL

[freethrowtommy]

Herschel Walker, anyone?

And the Redskins were going to have to make it good to leap frog Cleveland who was obviously pushing hard. Rams may not get exactly who they want at 6, at least not the player they could have had at 4, so that extra 1st rounder probably had to be added. The Redskins had to go all in here after Manning made it clear he wasn't coming to D.C.

Rams made out pretty damn well in this.

[wilsonsingles]

The skins have always drafted terribly. this, however could be hugely successful. i think its actually the right thing to do.

[alexcampos]

I'm taking my talents to South Beach

I HAVE SEEN THE FUTURE :D:D:D:D

[friarbolt]

Heck of haul especially considering the Rams don't have to sacrifice much. Not like they were in on RG3 and were gonna have to debate taking him or a trade. Just as much pressure on them however, success is laid out for the taking if they use these picks right and build around Bradford.

[yankeesfan24]

maybe the Rams use 2 of those picks and move up and get Blackmon

[drumstyx89]

i am an eagles fan and we are gonna be screwed for years to come. Rams will probably draft blackmon

[chasacar86]

Not very surprised...it was pretty apparent Snyder will do whatever it takes for this pick. Feeling pretty good that I mocked this well before anyone and everyone said the browns would do it, as I know my browns wouldn't compete with the craziness Snyder would give up.

In terms of the deal, Griffin has the potential to make this deal worth it. Time will tell though..

[achilles01987]

I'm glad on several angles. 1) Bradford is definitely the Rams guy, without a doubt. 2) there's no way the Vikes can f up now and try something with RG3. 3) the Vikes have to take Kalil! Awesome!

[monkeymcgee]

i am an eagles fan and we are gonna be screwed for years to come. Rams will probably draft blackmon

Don't worry--who is he going to throw it to other than Moss? Who's going to protect him enough so he can roll out?

This solves one problem, but they've got a bunch to solve and not many picks to solve them with now.

[freethrowtommy]

i am an eagles fan and we are gonna be screwed for years to come. Rams will probably draft blackmon

I am not sure he will be there. I think he will go 4 to the Browns. They will need a WR to go with Matt Flynn... ha!

[Razorsharp79]

This has to be the worst trade in the history of the NFL...3 years worth of 1st rd picks gone....for what a guy who played great against defenses that ranked 100th or worse in the country...Will be fun to watch I suppose, only time will tell, but I just think he is over rated based on the competition he faced in college. I hope I am wrong because he seems like a great kid...

And the rams can thank the redskins for making them a powerhouse...wow they will be loaded in 3-5 years...

[friarbolt]

Not very surprised...it was pretty apparent Snyder will do whatever it takes for this pick. Feeling pretty good that I mocked this well before anyone and everyone said the browns would do it, as I know my browns wouldn't compete with the craziness Snyder would give up.

In terms of the deal, Griffin has the potential to make this deal worth it. Time will tell though..

On the whole Browns issue gotta say glad I didn't deal my best Colt McCoy autos. At least he'll probably get another year to try and make it now!

[jp98]

That's one team out of the Flynn and Manning races.

[2gd2betrue23]

they're going crazy over here in DC, lol. They like that they'll get RG3 but hate the fact they gave up that much

[YanksBillsFan]

Rams move down and could still have Blackmon available at 6. Would be such an awesome draft for them.

[sportcrazynick]

So does this mean that Mccoy is the future of the Browns? Damn I was really hoping to get a RGIII jersey.

[jamuser304]

This has to be the worst trade in the history of the NFL...3 years worth of 1st rd picks gone....for what a guy who played great against defenses that ranked 100th or worse in the country...Will be fun to watch I suppose, only time will tell, but I just think he is over rated based on the competition he faced in college. I hope I am wrong because he seems like a great kid...

And the rams can thank the redskins for making them a powerhouse...wow they will be loaded in 3-5 years...

Griffin actually played tougher ranked pass defenses than both Barkley and Luck. His average rank was 65, compared to 72 and 82 for Barkley/Luck respectively. I'm not trying to justify the trade, because its horrid, but Griffin put up better per game stats against tougher pass defenses than number one Luck.

[vikingfan101]

This trade made me physically ill as a Vikings fan. Knowing that our idiot coach Frazier was trying to win so hard against the Redskins, and inevitably blowing the 2nd pick, only to see this bounty makes me wonder why Im still a Vikings fan.

So essentially, that Vikings win against the Redskins not only possibly derailed AP's career in him blowing out his knee, but also cost the Vikings 2 1sts, a 2nd and whatever other picks are included.

[friarbolt]

Rams move down and could still have Blackmon available at 6. Would be such an awesome draft for them.

I was thinking that too, it would be icing on the cake and it's totally possible Blackmon is still there. Luck, RG3, and Kalil will go leaving two teams before the Rams pick.

At the same time I think it's very possible Cleveland takes him. At least they could get something over on the Rams after this blockbuster!

[wheeler281]

This trade made me physically ill as a Vikings fan. Knowing that our idiot coach Frazier was trying to win so hard against the Redskins, and inevitably blowing the 2nd pick, only to see this bounty makes me wonder why Im still a Vikings fan.

So essentially, that Vikings win against the Redskins not only possibly derailed AP's career in him blowing out his knee, but also cost the Vikings 2 1sts, a 2nd and whatever other picks are included.

Well that is nothing compared to the trophies the vikes handed the cowboys for Herschel :devil:

[ND3]

Great trade for the Rams. Another instance of Synder's desperation to make the Skins a winner.

Not sure if RG3 will be the real deal but it will be sink for swim for Synder on this decision.

[vikingfan101]

Well that is nothing compared to the trophies the vikes handed the cowboys for Herschel :devil:

Haha, well, at least if the Vikings got this haul I could perhaps consider the last train wreck of a trade closer to even.

As much as it pains me to say, the Vikings have to be one of the stupidest franchises in the NFL.

[sportcrazynick]

I was thinking that too, it would be icing on the cake and it's totally possible Blackmon is still there. Luck, RG3, and Kalil will go leaving two teams before the Rams pick.

At the same time I think it's very possible Cleveland takes him. At least they could get something over on the Rams after this blockbuster!

Yea I definitely think the Browns will take Blackmon now. A lot of mock drafts I saw had needing a receiver besides Little so why the hell not? The browns seem to draft a million receivers that dont pan out every year so at least with Blackmon they have a better shot for someone for Mccoy to throw to

[YanksBillsFan]

I was thinking that too, it would be icing on the cake and it's totally possible Blackmon is still there. Luck, RG3, and Kalil will go leaving two teams before the Rams pick.

At the same time I think it's very possible Cleveland takes him. At least they could get something over on the Rams after this blockbuster!

Yeah the top 3 picks are set and the wild card is Cleveland or the chance someone (Pats) trades up for Blackmon or Claiborne. I'd love to see Bradford paired with Blackmon.

[Razorsharp79]

Griffin actually played tougher ranked pass defenses than both Barkley and Luck. His average rank was 65, compared to 72 and 82 for Barkley/Luck respectively. I'm not trying to justify the trade, because its horrid, but Griffin put up better per game stats against tougher pass defenses than number one Luck.

oh did not know that, still 65th out of 120 teams. To make a trade as the skins are doing I want the guy who did the best against the #1 lol...

If he would have put up those numbers against SEC defenses week in and week out I would be on the bandwagon...

[chasacar86]

Yea I definitely think the Browns will take Blackmon now. A lot of mock drafts I saw had needing a receiver besides Little so why the hell not? The browns seem to draft a million receivers that dont pan out every year so at least with Blackmon they have a better shot for someone for Mccoy to throw to

As much as I'd like to see this happen, I'll believe it when I see it. In 2010 Kiper had us taking dez for quite some time and we passed for haden. Last year, McShay had us slated to grab julio and when we could've, we traded the pick. I'd be shocked if Holmgren spent a #4 overall pick on a wide receiver.

[Ajax1723]

Does anyone else thing the Redskins are a lock to also sign a top WR? Either Vincent Jackson or Colston are going to want to go to DC now I would think, and I think at the same time the Redskins will pay one of them as much as they want to make sure RGIII has a target to throw to (sorry, Moss isn't a true No. 1)

[YanksBillsFan]

Redskins bud of mine is saying he's hearing the Skins are prepared to blow VJax away with an offer. Along the lines of 12M p/year.

[blingbrian]

hellloooo redskins have NILES PAUL.. lol

[MarinoHOF]

wow...One of the worst deals ever.
Snyder is a buffoon.
Sold the farm for a guy that has done nothing except (as mentioned in prior posts) played well against sub par competition.
The Skins are gonna be so bad the next 2 years the Rams are probably gonna have 2 top 3 picks plus whatever first rounder they would originally have the next couple years....Isnt this more than was given up for Eli Manning?

[nhamus]

This was a good move on both teams part. The skins are some pieces and will need to acquire a better than average WR and some other decent FAs. RG3 seems like too much of a smart, hard working guy to fail. The Rams also are gunna be set quite some time now. They should probably get Bradford some decent weapons, like Blackmon this year.

[monkeymcgee]

Does anyone else thing the Redskins are a lock to also sign a top WR? Either Vincent Jackson or Colston are going to want to go to DC now I would think, and I think at the same time the Redskins will pay one of them as much as they want to make sure RGIII has a target to throw to (sorry, Moss isn't a true No. 1)

They better sign someone because they sure can't develop any WRs. Somehow every other NFC East team is able to develop late-round (or undrafted) guys into good receivers except them.

[blingbrian]

what WAS the best possible route for the redskins if you all disagree with the trade ?

[Brad]

Washington was desperate to sell seats. And Manning probably told them he wasn't interested so they panicked. Good for St. Louis.

[monkeymcgee]

what WAS the best possible route for the redskins if you all disagree with the trade ?

I hate the Redskins, but I think the most reasonable thing would be to get Matt Flynn or another mid-priced FA QB and draft wisely.

Grossman/Beck didn't cost them a lot of games last year. They need a better OL, RBs, and secondary help.

[allday_vikes]

Great trade for the Skins, I feel RG3 will be a top QB for the next 14-15 years!!!

[nhamus]

Great trade for the Skins, I feel RG3 will be a top QB for the next 14-15 years!!!

I totally agree.

[MarinoHOF]

I hate the Redskins, but I think the most reasonable thing would be to get Matt Flynn or another mid-priced FA QB and draft wisely.

Grossman/Beck didn't cost them a lot of games last year. They need a better OL, RBs, and secondary help.

I agree almost 100% with this...I think they drafted some good potential at RB last year.

The Redskins have ALWAYS played FA instead of the draft...and they have been awful for alongggg time....this is just another move to set them back 5 more years or longer.

[bkovach06]

dont be surprised if this happens, blackmon should be a lock


I am not sure he will be there. I think he will go 4 to the Browns. They will need a WR to go with Matt Flynn... ha!

[Burt-Reynolds]

I wonder how much Ditka charged Snider for his consulting fee on this brilliant deal?

Thanks for helping make the Rams almost relevant again. It will be nice to be competitive again soon.

[cdub6238]

I agree almost 100% with this...I think they drafted some good potential at RB last year.

The Redskins have ALWAYS played FA instead of the draft...and they have been awful for alongggg time....this is just another move to set them back 5 more years or longer.

Totally agree with this and the few comments like it.

And the Redskins wonder why they are always the laughing stock of the NFL, its because of stupid things like this that they do.

-overpay Haynesworth and DeAngelo Hall....check
-overpay for washed upMcNabb...check
-mortgaging the future of the team on an unproven QB..check

im not saying RG3 wont be good, or wont be a franchise QB...not saying that at all. But good lord Washington...2 future 1st round picks and this years 2nd round pick?? are you kidding me??

[FakeExpert]

2 future 1st round picks and this years 2nd round pick?? are you kidding me??

Just to be clear it is three future first round picks ('12, '13, '14) and the 2012 Washington 2nd rounder.

[blingbrian]

I think it'll be ok. redskins drafted good in late rounds last year. theyre pretty bad when it comes to 1st rounders but rg3 isnt a scrub.

[cdub6238]

Just to be clear it is three future first round picks ('12, '13, '14) and the 2012 Washington 2nd rounder.

well its really only 2 "future" 1st rounders....this is the 2012 NFL Draft this April where they will take RG3.

so the future 1st rounders are '13 and 14'.

[jamuser304]

well its really only 2 "future" 1st rounders....this is the 2012 NFL Draft this April where they will take RG3.

so the future 1st rounders are '13 and 14'.

If we wanted to be really technical, 2012 draft picks are also future draft picks because they haven't been selected yet. This could be argued back and forth until after the draft.

[Trackster40]

At least my boy Hankerson will have a legit arm throwing to him. He can be a legit number one receiver.

[pcarr04]

How can any say this is horrible trade when it looks like 2 teams were willing to give up similar packages. In the Nfl you need a QB. Sorry but Rex Grossman isn't going to win the SuperBowl. Is it a risk? Yes, but look at Cam Newton. People thought he wasn't going to be able to succeed in Nfl but he had a great rookie year. The Skins are trying to win, you cant fault them for that. Sorry they aren't the Pats who seem to make perfect choices every time but not many teams are. It gives me some hope. Maybe he is a bust but you gotta try. It's not like the Skins have won much at all lately. They are below average team trying to get a franchise QB....something they haven't had since Theisman.

[cking]

In terms of the deal, Griffin has the potential to make this deal worth it. Time will tell though..

Hey the skins could go 3-13 but if RG3 puts up good numbers the people on here will put him on the same page as Elway, Montana and Favre..............................oh and Cam Newton:rolleyes:We would not want to leave him out. After all he fits in right up there with Elway and Montana:rolleyes:

This was a very one sided trade and not in the skins favor. Sounds like some of the trade proposals I get on here:rolleyes::eek::rolleyes:

[Oilngo]

This wont be bad when RG3 leads them to win a super bowl will it? Than people will be saying how great of a trade it is. And as a Rams fan I don't know how much I like the trade. Yes we get more picks, but we more than likely lost our chance at Blackmon, a player who can instantly come in and be great. It'd rare you get one of these players. Yeah we got more picks, but there are way to many flops. We will see how it goes, but I would have been happier with Clevelands 4 and late first.

[bjge_42]

How can any say this is horrible trade when it looks like 2 teams were willing to give up similar packages.
It doesn't shock me that two other teams were willing to put together an absurdly dumb package like the Skins did.

In the Nfl you need a QB. Sorry but Rex Grossman isn't going to win the SuperBowl. Is it a risk? Yes, but look at Cam Newton. People thought he wasn't going to be able to succeed in Nfl but he had a great rookie year.
He'll probably be exposed next year. One good season doesn't mean he'll be great for the rest of his career.

The Skins are trying to win, you cant fault them for that. Sorry they aren't the Pats who seem to make perfect choices every time but not many teams are.
The Pats hardly ever make ''perfect choices''. They build through the draft and maximize the potential of their players. Know why the Skins have sucked over the years? Because they've tried to build their team through free agency. They think collecting talent (a la $100m Haynesworth) will help them instantly win. And its cost them big time.

So now that they've realized this, they've pushed the panic button, and have gone all in on RG3. LOL.

It gives me some hope. Maybe he is a bust but you gotta try. It's not like the Skins have won much at all lately. They are below average team trying to get a franchise QB....something they haven't had since Theisman.
If RG3 turns out to be a bust, then the Skins are setting their franchise back at least five years. Honestly, the Skins should have just planned to take Tannehill at #6. Dude could pan out better than the overhyped RG3. And you'd still have '13 and '14 1st rounders... two big pieces of the future. But nope, those are out of the window.

Have fun with RG3. :)!

[cking]

It doesn't shock me that two other teams were willing to put together an absurdly dumb package like the Skins did.


He'll probably be exposed next year. One good season doesn't mean he'll be great for the rest of his career.


The Pats hardly ever make ''perfect choices''. They build through the draft and maximize the potential of their players. Know why the Skins have sucked over the years? Because they've tried to build their team through free agency. They think collecting talent (a la $100m Haynesworth) will help them instantly win. And its cost them big time.

So now that they've realized this, they've pushed the panic button, and have gone all in on RG3. LOL.


If RG3 turns out to be a bust, then the Skins are setting their franchise back at least five years. Honestly, the Skins should have just planned to take Tannehill at #6. Dude could pan out better than the overhyped RG3. And you'd still have '13 and '14 1st rounders... two big pieces of the future. But nope, those are out of the window.

Have fun with RG3. :)!

Dont really matter what Newton does, Carolina wont even sniff the playoffs in the next 5 years. All his stats are gonna be pointless. What diffrence does it really make if you throw for 12,453 yds and 67 touchdowns if you go 4-12?:confused: You did nothing to improve your team. You gotta be careful talking bad about Cam Newton on here. A few people dumped a boatload of money on his cards and if anyone talks bad about Newton they get very upset. Not that I care. Just sayin.

[Mattspalace]

As a Rams fan, all I have to say is WOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! :D

Suckers!!!!

[cdub6238]

This wont be bad when RG3 leads them to win a super bowl will it? Than people will be saying how great of a trade it is. And as a Rams fan I don't know how much I like the trade. Yes we get more picks, but we more than likely lost our chance at Blackmon, a player who can instantly come in and be great. It'd rare you get one of these players. Yeah we got more picks, but there are way to many flops. We will see how it goes, but I would have been happier with Clevelands 4 and late first.

huh??

1-Luck
2-RG3
3-Kalil

the Browns at 4 SHOULD trade down now...i mean yes, Blackmon should be great. But i just dont see McCoy being able to get him the ball.

Ive seen 2-3 different scenraios talked about here.

1- REAAAACH and draft Tannehill at #4.
2- draft Claiborne, and have a duo of shutdown CBs in the backfield.
3- draft Blackmon.

after the Browns its the Buccs..and they have no use for Blackmon. Well i mean itd help their WR corp of course, but imsure they are focused on more pressing needs than WR.

boom..there you go Rams at #6, Blackmon. Assuming Browns dont draft him.

Even so, if WR is still the biggest concern, FLoyd is staring them in the face. Hes probably not the game changer caliber of Blackmon, but hes not far off imo.

I dont see how the Rams lose here.

[bkovach06]

dear god i wont be a browns fan if they take tannehill at 4, have to go blackmon i think, but tough choice between him and claiborne, we could have 2 shutdown corners for the next 8-10 years, that does sound nice :D but they will probably get blackmon unless something drastic happens in FA


huh??

1-Luck
2-RG3
3-Kalil

the Browns at 4 SHOULD trade down now...i mean yes, Blackmon should be great. But i just dont see McCoy being able to get him the ball.

Ive seen 2-3 different scenraios talked about here.

1- REAAAACH and draft Tannehill at #4.
2- draft Claiborne, and have a duo of shutdown CBs in the backfield.
3- draft Blackmon.

after the Browns its the Buccs..and they have no use for Blackmon. Well i mean itd help their WR corp of course, but imsure they are focused on more pressing needs than WR.

boom..there you go Rams at #6, Blackmon. Assuming Browns dont draft him.

Even so, if WR is still the biggest concern, FLoyd is staring them in the face. Hes probably not the game changer caliber of Blackmon, but hes not far off imo.

I dont see how the Rams lose here.

[jbellis74]

I am too lazy to look through all of these posts.....

With that said, the Skins gave up wayyyyy too much to move up....

[ajlaxmn]

Two first round picks would have made more sense, but I guess the rams are getting that high price they were asking for. Three first round picks, WOW!

[Chaddie84]

Man I wish the Vikings had 2 so they could have gotten a trade deal like that. They need it!

[jlzinck]

With Al Davis taking the eternal dirt nap this move make Snyder the dumbest owner in the league. Good for the Rams!

[ebacardi2]

Redskins mortgage their future for the hot thing of the moment...more news at 11 (Cowboys fan here) :P

JA, hot thing of the moment? Have you seen and heard this guy? I guarantee is works out better then Luck or any other QB of the past 4 yrs drafts other then Newton(He is a beast)

[ebacardi2]

Don't worry--who is he going to throw it to other than Moss? Who's going to protect him enough so he can roll out?

This solves one problem, but they've got a bunch to solve and not many picks to solve them with now.


Dude they have 40 mil to use in free agency, they will not get all the pieces they need, there are to many but should get a wr or 2 and few others to help out. Its going to take a years till we see what this trade turns out, good or bad.

[ebacardi2]

they're going crazy over here in DC, lol. They like that they'll get RG3 but hate the fact they gave up that much


Will see time will tell if he turns out to be the franchise guy then the picks they gave up in 3-4 yrs will mean nothing.

[ebacardi2]

Rams will not get blackmon cleveland will take him

[verbal13]

Looking forward to seeing Shanny in a tux and RGIII in a wedding dress on the cover of Sports Illustrated this year now.

[monkeymcgee]

JA, hot thing of the moment? Have you seen and heard this guy? I guarantee is works out better then Luck or any other QB of the past 4 yrs drafts other then Newton(He is a beast)

Yes, I have and he's impressive. In college. Let's see what happens with his durability when he's getting nailed by Demarcus Ware because the Skins OL is garbage. Or when he's not able to throw to wide-open receivers like he did in college.

Ask yourself this: are the Skins 1 QB from being a playoff team? If the answer is no, then they had no business making this trade. As a Cowboys fan, I know how much an idiot owner trading away first round picks can kill the future of a team.

[The Madbacker]

From a Hobby standpoint, Redskins are better than the Browns.

[longhrncardshop]

YAY! COLT MCCOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ACCDADEAL]

Unless RGIII is a pro bowler for 10 years this trade makes NO SENSE. He is a bust and will be hurt in 6 weeks

[allday_vikes]

It's funny how most are saying he's a bust!! I'm willing to bet most of you will scream for the owner's head if he does turn out a bust but you'll also be the ones jumping on his bandwagon and telling the world, " I told you he was going to be great" if he does turn out to be great!!

[bkovach06]

i think its more of a toss up then people think, theres a lot of talk of getting claiborne at DB too, i could go either way, we need to either make a move for flynn or lose all of our games and draft barkley next year, we are pretty good at losing so shouldnt be too hard

Rams will not get blackmon cleveland will take him

[mdogg]

Flynnsanity to Cleveland more and more likely!!!!

[freethrowtommy]

I am not playing the bust card with RGIII this year.

I called Cam a bust and that blew up in my face. Not again!

[allday_vikes]

Flynnsanity to Cleveland more and more likely!!!!

What's the difference between McCoy and Flynn??

[longhrncardshop]

What's the difference between McCoy and Flynn??

thats what im thinking, they already have colt and dont have to pay him extra money and they can use the money they are saving from not signing flynn for draft picks

[armyatc22]

I still think the Vikings can't pass up on Blackman at 3 now...Harvin just doesn't cut it

[longhrncardshop]

I still think the Vikings can't pass up on Blackman at 3 now...Harvin just doesn't cut it

they for sure need an offensive lineman

[allday_vikes]

I still think the Vikings can't pass up on Blackman at 3 now...Harvin just doesn't cut it

They do need someone to stretch the field so Harvin can work the middle but who can pass on a guy like Kalil, plus there will be plenty of FA WRs they can grab and they might have a chance at a guy like Stephen Hill later on!

[jamuser304]

thats what im thinking, they already have colt and dont have to pay him extra money and they can use the money they are saving from not signing flynn for draft picks

Rookie salaries dont hurt as much with the new agreement, so that wouldn't make a difference. Look at Cam Newton, for example. He signed a contract worth $5.4 million per year. Sam Bradford, picked just a year before gets over double that. Flynn won't make close to that wherever he signs. In addition, the argument could continue by saying that Mccoy is a serviceable backup whom they wouldn't have to pay much to retain. He makes less than many other backups, so it would be worth it to keep him as well.

[allday_vikes]

Rookie salaries dont hurt as much with the new agreement, so that wouldn't make a difference. Look at Cam Newton, for example. He signed a contract worth $5.4 million per year. Sam Bradford, picked just a year before gets over double that. Flynn won't make close to that wherever he signs. In addition, the argument could continue by saying that Mccoy is a serviceable backup whom they wouldn't have to pay much to retain. He makes less than many other backups, so it would be worth it to keep him as well.

Who's to say Flynn is a NFL starting QB??!! One game and with the coaching staff of the Packers should not define how a QB will do in a different system plus having the pressure of saving a franchise to go with it! I'm not sold on Flynn one bit!

Get Blackmon now and draft a QB next season knowing they'll be a top 3 draft team if McCoy still sucks!!

[mnvikingstwins]

Really wish the Vikings just decided to not show up against the Redskins, that was the worst game in team history. AP destroys his knee, Vikings win and drop from #2 from #4, and now Vikings would have had a chance to take the future of a franchise away.

[jamuser304]

Who's to say Flynn is a NFL starting QB??!! One game and with the coaching staff of the Packers should not define how a QB will do in a different system plus having the pressure of saving a franchise to go with it! I'm not sold on Flynn one bit!

Get Blackmon now and draft a QB next season knowing they'll be a top 3 draft team if McCoy still sucks!!

He has shown more than any 2012 draft pick so far, correct? None of them have played an NFL game yet, correct? At least Flynn has shown what he can do against NFL defenses. Sure, the Lions pass defense is not great, but their front line is. I would still take them over the huge majority of NCAA defenses.

[bkovach06]

:)! im ok with that

Flynnsanity to Cleveland more and more likely!!!!

[allday_vikes]

He has shown more than any 2012 draft pick so far, correct? None of them have played an NFL game yet, correct? At least Flynn has shown what he can do against NFL defenses. Sure, the Lions pass defense is not great, but their front line is. I would still take them over the huge majority of NCAA defenses.

Are you serious?!! You're basing all this on 1 game?!! What's the difference of 1 game to the rookies??? NONE!!!

[jbellis74]

This deal is a bust If the Skins do not win a Super Bowl in less than 5 years...

The Rams on the other hand just made the right moves to build a franchise over night

[YanksBillsFan]

huh??

1-Luck
2-RG3
3-Kalil

the Browns at 4 SHOULD trade down now...i mean yes, Blackmon should be great. But i just dont see McCoy being able to get him the ball.

Ive seen 2-3 different scenraios talked about here.

1- REAAAACH and draft Tannehill at #4.
2- draft Claiborne, and have a duo of shutdown CBs in the backfield.
3- draft Blackmon.

after the Browns its the Buccs..and they have no use for Blackmon. Well i mean itd help their WR corp of course, but imsure they are focused on more pressing needs than WR.

boom..there you go Rams at #6, Blackmon. Assuming Browns dont draft him.

Even so, if WR is still the biggest concern, FLoyd is staring them in the face. Hes probably not the game changer caliber of Blackmon, but hes not far off imo.

I dont see how the Rams lose here.

Pretty spot on with this. Rams are huge winners in this no matter who drops to them at 6. Browns will definitely dictate how the top 10 fares. Does Holmgren pass up a lock down CB to pare with Haden or go Blackmon who would be underutilized with McCoy under center. Bucs could go Blackmon but all the talk about needing a speed back, Richardson could be an option. Maybe if the Browns pass on Blackmon we could see a team move up to 5 to get him. Jeff Fisher has a good problem on his hands.

Tannehill at 4 would be interesting. Browns might have to reach for him there if Miami doesn't land Manning. But if they do sign Manning, Browns can definitely move down if they're intent on drafting Tannehill.

[mdogg]

Are you serious?!! You're basing all this on 1 game?!! What's the difference of 1 game to the rookies??? NONE!!!

Actually 2 games, and I trust Rodgers opinion that he is a top 15 QB

[rmiller1k]

there is no way the browns pass on blackmon...right? please for colt mccoys sake dont pass on blackmon!

[freethrowtommy]

Are you serious?!! You're basing all this on 1 game?!! What's the difference of 1 game to the rookies??? NONE!!!

3 years of practice and training in an NFL offense is a difference...

[Chiefs2011]

Worst trade of the century.

Get the hell out of the league, 'Skins.

Carson Palmer probably has this beat. At least RG3 has an upside.

[freethrowtommy]

Anyone who says this was the worst trade ever, doesn't know football history... at all.

Herschel Walker to the Minnesota Vikings: The Best Trade in NFL History | Bleacher Report (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/140116-the-best-trade-in-nfl-history)

[mdogg]

Learning from the Best in the game, Aaron Rodgers is enough for me....As a Packer fan, I think Flynn will be a Pro Bowl QB...Mccoy, not so much

[Andrew Jones]

Didn't Scott Mitchell learn from Dan Marino? I'm just saying.

[nhamus]

What's the difference between McCoy and Flynn??

Haha I don't the Vikings know what a good QB even is

[thepistonsfan]

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m239/thepistonsfanTRADEPAGE/REDSKINS%20PLUS/RANDOM/85c9c095.gif

[MasterPattie]

This deal will set the Redskins franchise back for years to come.

[BAMBAM]

RGIII is McNabb circa 2000 with a little more speed. Even IF he pans out and has a decent career ala McNabb, my money says he'll never take the Skins to the championship.

At least Al Davis could use age as his excuse for some of his bone headed moves over the last decade, Danny boy in Washington...what's his ???:confused:

[allday_vikes]

RGIII is McNabb circa 2000 with a little more speed. Even IF he pans out and has a decent career ala McNabb, my money says he'll never take the Skins to the championship.

At least Al Davis could use age as his excuse for some of his bone headed moves over the last decade, Danny boy in Washington...what's his ???:confused:

Why would you compare him to McNabb?? How do you EVEN KNOW their skill sets are the same??!! Just say it, it's cause he's BLACK!!!

[allday_vikes]

Haha I don't the Vikings know what a good QB even is
Hahahah funny, LUCK matters eh??

[allday_vikes]

Actually 2 games, and I trust Rodgers opinion that he is a top 15 QB

muahahahaha!!!! what a dope!!

[BAMBAM]

Why would you compare him to McNabb?? How do you EVEN KNOW their skill sets are the same??!! Just say it, it's cause he's BLACK!!!

Hey genius, I have two things called EYES and they work so that's how I can compare the two players since I've seen them BOTH actually play the game. Any other STUPID questions ?

[chasacar86]

I really don't see why everyone is saying this will set the Redskins back for years...First rounders have what, a 50% chance of hitting? I'd certainly give RG3 a higher chance than that. One thing he has that Leaf and Russell didn't are all the intangibles which is what usually turns into a high QB pick's downfall. Skins have a ton of cap room and with the new wage scale in place it's not like Griffin is a huge financial liability like he would've been two years ago. If they gave up three 1st's and were paying him 15m a year, yes that'd be a little too much. They still have a ton of money to go shopping to help him and the D out. Can't say it's bad until we see how good Griffin is.

[Kent Clements]

RAMS are the big winners :)! Claiborne with the first pick,not WR !!

[cdub6238]

I really don't see why everyone is saying this will set the Redskins back for years...First rounders have what, a 50% chance of hitting? I'd certainly give RG3 a higher chance than that. One thing he has that Leaf and Russell didn't are all the intangibles which is what usually turns into a high QB pick's downfall. Skins have a ton of cap room and with the new wage scale in place it's not like Griffin is a huge financial liability like he would've been two years ago. If they gave up three 1st's and were paying him 15m a year, yes that'd be a little too much. They still have a ton of money to go shopping to help him and the D out. Can't say it's bad until we see how good Griffin is.

:confused::confused:

1st rounders have a 50% chance of hitting...what are you talking about??

just QBs??

if so:

going back to the 2006 draft- there are 9/13 1st rounders starting and doing decently. Thats not counting Locker, who showed in limited time his potential, or Ponder since he didnt start until halfway through the season. It can also be improved, depending how you view Freeman in TB as a "hit" or not.

The numbers are skewed by the 2 first round busts in '06- Leinart and Young and of course Russell in '07.

and if your talking about 50% of ALL first rounders, not just QBs, being a hit...then i have no idea where your pulling that out of your ass.

once again, your logic confounds me sir :confused:

[chipmaster]

I cringed when I read the news last night. For the Redskins sake I hope this pans out. As a fan, HELL YES! Unless you truly understand the Redskins and everything that's going on, you would understand why this was actually a pretty good move. MOST 1st rounders don't pan out anyways, so losing 2 first rounders means little. I can give you a list of 10 "can't miss" 1st rounders the skins drafted that SUCKED. I'm willing to bet RGIII won't disappoint. Skins will sign a WR or two in FA, along with some OL and DL. Their drafts have been solid the past two years.

Skins are still in a rebuild phase, and this was a cornerstone to that plan.

I AM FREAKIN ECSTATIC- A chance to have drafted a franchise QB!

Bring on the HATERS!

GO SKINS!!!!!!!!!

[chasacar86]

WOW you are a complete d***** :confused::confused::confused:

It was a rough estimate but since you're going to make me look for it,
here's an article from Business Week right before Bradford was picked that says success rate is (roughly) 37% for all first rounders and 50% for #1 overall picks as of 2010, so I'd have to assume the 2nd overall should be fairly close to that :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/apr2010/bw20100422_605389.htm

It rattled off my brain from hearing it on ESPN or NFL NW recently :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

Anyways, thanks for proving my point and saying it's even more likely that he will hit being a QB. Really appreciate you going out of your way to do that for me :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:



:confused::confused:

1st rounders have a 50% chance of hitting...what are you talking about??

just QBs??

if so:

going back to the 2006 draft- there are 9/13 1st rounders starting and doing decently. Thats not counting Locker, who showed in limited time his potential, or Ponder since he didnt start until halfway through the season. It can also be improved, depending how you view Freeman in TB as a "hit" or not.

The numbers are skewed by the 2 first round busts in '06- Leinart and Young and of course Russell in '07.

and if your talking about 50% of ALL first rounders, not just QBs, being a hit...then i have no idea where your pulling that out of your ass.

once again, your logic confounds me sir :confused:

[cdub6238]

I cringed when I read the news last night. For the Redskins sake I hope this pans out. As a fan, HELL YES! Unless you truly understand the Redskins and everything that's going on, you would understand why this was actually a pretty good move. MOST 1st rounders don't pan out anyways, so losing 2 first rounders means little. I can give you a list of 10 "can't miss" 1st rounders the skins drafted that SUCKED. I'm willing to bet RGIII won't disappoint. Skins will sign a WR or two in FA, along with some OL and DL. Their drafts have been solid the past two years.

Skins are still in a rebuild phase, and this was a cornerstone to that plan.

I AM FREAKIN ECSTATIC- A chance to have drafted a franchise QB!

Bring on the HATERS!

GO SKINS!!!!!!!!!

So..another 1st rounders dont pan out explanation.

20/32 seem to be doing well from 2006
18/32 seem to be doing ok from 2007
16/31 from 2008
25/32 from 2009
21/32 from 2010

63% 1st rounders from the past 5 years (not counting last year) is bad??

i will never understand this argument.

[chipmaster]

So..another 1st rounders dont pan out explanation.

20/32 seem to be doing well from 2006
18/32 seem to be doing ok from 2007
16/31 from 2008
25/32 from 2009
21/32 from 2010

63% 1st rounders from the past 5 years (not counting last year) is bad??

i will never understand this argument.

I should have said "from a Redskins fan point of view" because most of our 1st rounders turn up busto......I'm used to it. You gotta bet the house for a franchise QB. The Hershel Walker reference is dumb, RB's are a dime a dozen.

[Andrew Jones]

If your argument is based on the notion that many 1st rounders don't pan out, wouldn't that mean you would want the 3 1st round picks (plus the 2nd round pick) St. Louis received instead of the 1 1st round pick Washington received? Using your logic, more picks = better odds of hitting on a good player(s), right? I don't see how you think this deal makes sense for Washington using the many 1st rounders don't pan out logic.

[allday_vikes]

Hey genius, I have two things called EYES and they work so that's how I can compare the two players since I've seen them BOTH actually play the game. Any other STUPID questions ?

STUPID QUESTIONS?? NO you're just an idiot, that's all!!!

[jp98]

Why are there so many smilies on this page??

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[chasacar86]

:confused:

Why are there so many smilies on this page??

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lol

[cekirsch129]

Why can't this be a win-win? Redskins have their franchise QB, and the Rams now have the tools to fill much needed holes for the future. There is such a thing where both sides benefit from a trade.

[MarinoHOF]

Why can't this be a win-win? Redskins have their franchise QB, and the Rams now have the tools to fill much needed holes for the future. There is such a thing where both sides benefit from a trade.

Its not a win bc the Redskins overpaid by a ton!
They gave up more for RG3 than the Giants did for Eli.
RG3 has all this hype built up about him and had a good combine so people are basing the hype of a 40 time as opposed to anything more relevant for a QB....and if you do want to go the athleticism route...he still itsnt near the athlete Vick is...and yes the Falcons gave less to get Vick.

Not to mention 1st round draft picks are worth WAY more now than they were back when the Eli and Vick deals were made bc the rookie salary cap structure makes these guys much more affordable.

Ill probably take some crap for this but I think the Redskins Giving this years first and next year first would have been very fair for both teams...not 3 firsts and a 2nd.

[pcarr04]

How can you compare this trade with Eli? Eli cried his way out of SD & put the Giants in a position of power. The Rams were clearly in the position of power. If you think RGIII is your man go get him.

Sure would 2 1st rounders been a "better" trade. Of course but that wasn't enough. The Falcons gave 2 1's plus 3 more picks just last year.

Time will tell. I am just happy that we have something to look forward to for the next few years.

[monkeymcgee]

Ill probably take some crap for this but I think the Redskins Giving this years first and next year first would have been very fair for both teams...not 3 firsts and a 2nd.

I agree with you--that would have been a big price to pay, but fair to move up to 2

[BAMBAM]

STUPID QUESTIONS?? NO you're just an idiot, that's all!!!

Ha another big mouth internet pussy. :rolleyes:

[addicted36]

Why can't this be a win-win? Redskins have their franchise QB, and the Rams now have the tools to fill much needed holes for the future. There is such a thing where both sides benefit from a trade.

Finally a good question...In truth it is.

The Redskins came into this season with some pretty big needs and none bigger then QB. They got the guy they wanted. Every where I've read has had people say that if it wasn't for the fact that Luck was in this draft RG3 would be the #1 pick overall. He has it all as a QB and the Skins needed that.

The big problem with this deal to most people is nothing more then sticker shock. We gave up 3 number one picks and a number 2 pick for 1 number one pick. The net loss here is 2 number one picks and a 2nd round pick for the Redskins. When people hear gave up 3 number one picks it sounds worse then it actually is and that's why its said

The Rams have there QB of the future and wanted out of the pick. They are rebuilding and need players. They were offered the same deal (4 picks for 1) by the Redskins and the Browns. They choose to take the Redskins picks because they have a better relationship with the Redskins then the Browns and the Redskins were first. The only thing about the Browns offer was it was including both 1st this year, so if the Rams didn't take that offer it only says to me that they didn't want the two 1sts this draft (Might not like who's gonna be available then)

In the end it works out for both teams. The Skins have multiple picks left in this draft and they have the guy they wanted the most in all of college. The Rams didn't need RG3 and now have more picks to use to improve the team. Both teams actually won here. Speculating on RG3's future success or failures are a futile effort because no one knows for sure. All we know for sure is after this draft the Redskins won't have a first round pick until 2015.

In the 1980's when Joe Gibbs was coaching this team and won 3 Superbowls during that 10 year span this team only selected in the first round 3 total times. We used those lost picks to trade for guys who went on to win us titles. It sucks to not have first round picks but we all know (or should) that teams that win Superbowls do so with QB's they drafted (New Orleans the exception) these days. It worked out for both teams and I think it helps both teams. The only "loser" here was the Browns

[BAMBAM]

RGIII is McNabb circa 2000 with a little more speed. Even IF he pans out and has a decent career ala McNabb, my money says he'll never take the Skins to the championship.

At least Al Davis could use age as his excuse for some of his bone headed moves over the last decade, Danny boy in Washington...what's his ???:confused:

Why would you compare him to McNabb?? How do you EVEN KNOW their skill sets are the same??!! Just say it, it's cause he's BLACK!!!

Hey genius, I have two things called EYES and they work so that's how I can compare the two players since I've seen them BOTH actually play the game. Any other STUPID questions ?

STUPID QUESTIONS?? NO you're just an idiot, that's all!!!

Ha another big mouth internet pussy. :rolleyes:


Looks like I was right. Little boy runs his mouth then goes running to the MODs reporting me because he started something he couldn't finish. God I love this site anymore. :rolleyes: The internet is the same as real life for this dude, pick a fight then go running home to Mommy. LMFAO