The Knicks are terrible...

[WilsonValdez]

That's really all. This is a pretty pointless thread, but they just look like a limp. life-less team lacking any sort of chemistry.

Or maybe it's cause the sixers are playing so well :D.

Probably a little of both...

[Sidthekidc87]

Agreed

shout out to my Sixers

But in all honesty, they completely rely on getting in shootouts with opponents. Then when they run into a great defensive team like the Sixers, they flounder.

The entire team is built around offense, which never works in the NBA

I honestly think they're going to get booed out of their own stadium

[XARZY]

Now that Melo and Amare are out Knicks are making a run!

[fritzfreddie]

Now that Melo and Amare are out Knicks are making a run!

Deceiving. Lin and Smith are in yet both are shooting worse than Melo or Amare in this game. Also Lin has 6 TOs to one each for Melo and Amare. yet because the 76ers have stunk this quarter, it makes it look like the stars should be sitting out.

I'd take Melo's (5-13, 11-12 FT for 22 points, 9 boards, 3 assists, 1 TO)line tonight over Lin's line (5-18, 4-5 FT for 14 points, 3 rebounds, 7 assists, 6 TOs) every day of the week.

[WilsonValdez]

What was that team thinking...Melo is a team chemistry killer, and JR Smith is like Carmelo light. Poor Jeremy Lin.

[fritzfreddie]

What was that team thinking...Melo is a team chemistry killer, and JR Smith is like Carmelo light. Poor Jeremy Lin.

Yeah, poor Lin who was maybe the worst offender to losing this game yet won't take a lick of heat. :confused:

[WilsonValdez]

Yeah, poor Lin who was maybe the worst offender to losing this game yet won't take a lick of heat. :confused:

Agreed in this case, I just say poor him, cause he wants to play a team style game and he doesn't have 'teammates' around him.

[gonygo]

Agreed in this case, I just say poor him, cause he wants to play a team style game and he doesn't have 'teammates' around him.

u r correct,,, even i am getting tired of repeating myself... when lin turns the ball over 3-6 time but usually has 3-5 steals, its fine w me... Lin is the only thing keeping this team a float...People are now starting to realize that its supposed "stars" of this team who are ruining it and nt doing there job. Not to mention, they are clearly ignoring this coach .. He ant gonna last or be here next yr. Thats just a fact. Btw, i love how when a guy challenges melo, gets in his face or pokes the ball away, he replies by getting mad, and chucking up a brick or fouling the opposing player afterwards n talking smack...You can take the thug out of the ghetto, but u can't take the ghetto out of the thug...Melo n the knicks suck

[fritzfreddie]

Oddly during the winning streak, Lin had 3+ steals 1 time and less than 6 TOs 1 time. Normally it was 6+ TOs and 2 or less steals. So the fact he has better TO/steal ratios right now isn't helping them.

Lin is getting a huge pass right now. Even his teammates are making stupid plays because of him. Tyson thought Lin was fouled so he goes and fouls Turner so he can complain to the refs. Great to stand up for a teammate but stupid to penalize your team for it.

[IamRalpho]

How does Lin shoot TWICE as many shoots as Amare? Smith shoots more than Amare as well? Davis and Lin almost equaling the same amount of TO's as assists.

Maybe D'Antoni is the problem, I mean why else would he let all this happen nightly?

[gonygo]

how were they doin w/o lin a few weeks ago, hmmmm? lol Lin makes very good passes n sets them up well WHEN the team is moving n cutting. Il admit he is still driving n jumping in the air n throwing it away,Guess what, so is everyone else.. Where are the people who said baron davis would save the day. ? Are u kidding me, he is complete garbage. Do u want baron or god forbid tony douglas to run the point? It's tough to create n be a pg when the whole team stands around waiting for the ball so they can play 1 on 1... The kid is trying to make it happen. Anyone who s bashing this kid is nuts, lin is no all-star but definitely a serviceable pg, sorry. Maybe the supposed stars just are't stars n the knicks aren't that good YET w Lin n are 100x worse without him. The defensive effort is just pathetic and they won't play for tis coach, its clear as the sky is blue. Also, i was wrong about j.r smith, he's an undisciplined bum and a cancer on the team, id chuck him.

[XARZY]

how were they doin w/o lin a few weeks ago, hmmmm? lol Lin makes very good passes n sets them up well WHEN the team is moving n cutting. Il admit he is still driving n jumping in the air n throwing it away,Guess what, so is everyone else.. Where are the people who said baron davis would save the day. ? Are u kidding me, he is complete garbage. Do u want baron or god forbid tony douglas to run the point? It's tough to create n be a pg when the whole team stands around waiting for the ball so they can play 1 on 1... The kid is trying to make it happen. Anyone who s bashing this kid is nuts, lin is no all-star but definitely a serviceable pg, sorry. Maybe the supposed stars just are't stars n the knicks aren't that good YET w Lin n are 100x worse without him. The defensive effort is just pathetic and they won't play for tis coach, its clear as the sky is blue. Also, i was wrong about j.r smith, he's an undisciplined bum and a cancer on the team, id chuck him.At this point I wouldnt mind seeing what Toney Douglas can do after a 5 game losing streak. 1 More loss tomorrow and they will tie the losing streak that brought in Lin in the first place. If they lose the next two games Mike should get the axe but If I was Mike I would start the game by benching all the starters except for Chandler.

[XARZY]

How does Lin shoot TWICE as many shoots as Amare? Smith shoots more than Amare as well? Davis and Lin almost equaling the same amount of TO's as assists.

Maybe D'Antoni is the problem, I mean why else would he let all this happen nightly?

One thing to defend Lin on this argument. How many times did Lin get the ball with <7 seconds on the shot clock with defenders on him? Atleast 4-5 times, You would see the 'old' knicks play of dribbling around the ball, not drawing out defenders, then making stupid plays when the shot clock is winding down.

Another thing you have to look at is how just about every night someone is having a career game against the knicks. Be it career/season highs or just incredibly high shooting %.

[IamRalpho]

One thing to defend Lin on this argument. How many times did Lin get the ball with <7 seconds on the shot clock with defenders on him? Atleast 4-5 times, You would see the 'old' knicks play of dribbling around the ball, not drawing out defenders, then making stupid plays when the shot clock is winding down.

Another thing you have to look at is how just about every night someone is having a career game against the knicks. Be it career/season highs or just incredibly high shooting %.

I didnt watch the game, only highlights. Just looking at the #'s, D'Antoni is either a giant p#ssy when he to comes to policing the team, or he has lost control. There is no reason for Amare to get HALF the shots of Jeremy Lin, maybe Derek Rose can shoot more than Amare, but not Lin.

And JR Smith is a terrible human being, he shouldnt be shooting more than Steve Novack, let alone Amare.

I hate the Knicks and love to see this, but its like they are trying to be this bad. I mean tell your friggin brand new point guard to look for Amare and run things through him and Melo.

[nflfans4ever]

The answer....Toney Douglas

[IamRalpho]

The answer....Toney Douglas

Only if the question "What can Mike D'Antoni do to get fired faster?"

[XARZY]

I didnt watch the game, only highlights. Just looking at the #'s, D'Antoni is either a giant p#ssy when he to comes to policing the team, or he has lost control. There is no reason for Amare to get HALF the shots of Jeremy Lin, maybe Derek Rose can shoot more than Amare, but not Lin.

And JR Smith is a terrible human being, he shouldnt be shooting more than Steve Novack, let alone Amare.

I hate the Knicks and love to see this, but its like they are trying to be this bad. I mean tell your friggin brand new point guard to look for Amare and run things through him and Melo.
The reason JR had more shots than Novak was because novak stood still and didnt free himself up to get shots off and stayed in the corner most of the game. JR was penetrating (missing lay-ups x2-3 times) and Novak was just getting the ball and dishing it out to other people because he was guarded most of the game.

[IamRalpho]

Well I used Novak as an example, hes a specialty guy and strictly that. Hes like a poor mans Kyle Korver, BUT he still has more value than someone like JR Smith.

My point still stands, JR Smith should never out shoot anyone unless they game is being blown out.

[Zacky1053]

Serious question then. Is the plus-minus system flawed? Knicks were -16 with Carmelo on the floor today, -2 with Lin. Yet Lin was what 5-18 with 6 turnovers and he's not a Rajon Rondo on defense.

[Devolution]

how were they doin w/o lin a few weeks ago, hmmmm? lol Lin makes very good passes n sets them up well WHEN the team is moving n cutting. Il admit he is still driving n jumping in the air n throwing it away,Guess what, so is everyone else.. Where are the people who said baron davis would save the day. ? Are u kidding me, he is complete garbage. Do u want baron or god forbid tony douglas to run the point? It's tough to create n be a pg when the whole team stands around waiting for the ball so they can play 1 on 1... The kid is trying to make it happen. Anyone who s bashing this kid is nuts, lin is no all-star but definitely a serviceable pg, sorry. Maybe the supposed stars just are't stars n the knicks aren't that good YET w Lin n are 100x worse without him. The defensive effort is just pathetic and they won't play for tis coach, its clear as the sky is blue. Also, i was wrong about j.r smith, he's an undisciplined bum and a cancer on the team, id chuck him.

I'm sure Baron's back injury didn't effect his game at all. Pretty unfair to call someone "garbage" after more than a decade of fairly consistent above-average play making. Can't really fault any one person when the entire team is playing poorly.

[IamRalpho]

I'm sure Baron's back injury didn't effect his game at all. Pretty unfair to call someone "garbage" after more than a decade of fairly consistent above-average play making. Can't really fault any one person when the entire team is playing poorly.

Well, to be fair, Baron Davis has never been consistent. He has been consistently fat, but thats about it. He had All Star stretches and D-League stretches.

[tristan20]

Amare is messing up the waters, hes just HORRIBLE

Yesterday's game he couldnt hold the ball after he got some great passes, today was another mess.

Knicks can trade him and get some big pieces

Knicks are too stacked and its killing them.

[tupark82]

I didnt watch the game, only highlights. Just looking at the #'s, D'Antoni is either a giant p#ssy when he to comes to policing the team, or he has lost control. There is no reason for Amare to get HALF the shots of Jeremy Lin, maybe Derek Rose can shoot more than Amare, but not Lin.

And JR Smith is a terrible human being, he shouldnt be shooting more than Steve Novack, let alone Amare.

I hate the Knicks and love to see this, but its like they are trying to be this bad. I mean tell your friggin brand new point guard to look for Amare and run things through him and Melo.

wasn't gonna say anything, but you keep talkin about the under-utilization of amare so i'll tell u why he sat out. can't judge what happened in the game by lookin at numbers. amare was given the ball and he either was never ready for it (which has been the case for much of the season) or didn't get aggressive with it. he basically didn't want the ball. he also got in foul trouble early in the first quarter which forced him to sit, and was generally ineffective. the biggest thing of course, is he wasn't playing defense as usual. perfect example? he and chandler both were back on defense, but amare just stood underneath the basket, blocked chandler's path, and turner just went right in for a wide open dunk.

all it takes is watching a few games to see that amare is and has not been himself all season. he stayed away from basketball due to the back issues he had from last season and he clearly wasn't able to stay in the type of basketball shape he's accustomed to. if he was confident enough to do something consistent on the offensive end, he'd get the ball and do something with it. it's as simple as that. i don't think we'll see the amare of old this season. the only encouraging thing about him is that we know there's a better version of him. amare has never been great on defense, but he was also never this bad. sadly for melo, the same cannot be said.

[tupark82]

Serious question then. Is the plus-minus system flawed? Knicks were -16 with Carmelo on the floor today, -2 with Lin. Yet Lin was what 5-18 with 6 turnovers and he's not a Rajon Rondo on defense.

yes, it is flawed. there are way too many factors in a game that plays into why a team gets up or down depending on who's on the floor. it's a very general stat to me. that said, the reason the team is constantly down when melo is on the floor is because he can't or won't guard anyone on a consistent basis and he constantly stops ball movement. when he's out of the game, the defense changes, the effort changes, and the ball movement changes. the team got down to as many as 21 points with melo on the floor, and got as close as 10 points when he sat out the 4th which is why u see the difference in +/-. knicks still played sloppy ball, lin definitely included, but there was simply more effort and a sense of desperation when melo was out. a little stagnant sixers offense also helped though.

melo started the game 5-7, but ended up with 5-13, meaning he missed the next 7 shots. that means he couldn't help the team offensively and if he can't help offensively, he's pretty useless.

[tupark82]

i'll say this about lin. he needs to adjust his game because he's been doing things he wasn't doing earlier like going into the paint with no purpose which usually ends up being a bad possession, leaving his feet to make passes, and not being aggressive when he drives in which makes him ineffective on offense. when he's not aggressive on offense, he starts making passes that are predictable and telegraphed. i truly believe this is happening because he doesn't feel naturally comfortable with the ball due to his need to feed the ball to melo half the time along with feeling a sense of guilt when he ends up missing shots because he may feel he should have given it to melo. it's a psychological thing more than anything.

he also still doesn't get respect from the refs. he gets hammered but no calls are made. the knicks need to respond and put some players on their asses too. stick up for ur team. i know jeffries would.

[gonygo]

melo is an out of shape, selfish chucker, not to mention a punk and a bully on the court.. Amare is n was out of shape n may have the worst hands in the league. Both he and melo don't have the explosiveness they used to. The team s not put together correctly and is discombobulated.. d'antoni doesn't know who to put on the floor at the same time. the layers on this team don't fit his system and wo't and don't seem to wan a "RUN" it, because they are half court players, with the exception of Lin. Teams are starting to realize that you tell a guy to stand right next t Novack by the 3 point circle and don't move. If nobody doubles melo or stat, novak isn't gonna be open, unless lin penetrates the lane...Lin continues to take a beating each game and i don't see any knick teammates coming to his defense?? Oakely, Starks or Mason, Mcdaniel, D Harper etc.. would kill someone if they did the same stuff to a player on those knick teams...On a positive note, I love Chandler, guy is a warrior. Also, Shumpert is a beast, his defense , effort n intensity are fabulous. If that kid ever learns how to shoot, look out...I told all of you, but you didn't listen. lol Knicks are a hot mess

[XARZY]

I think ever since melo cut his hair, hes been a slower player. the pulling on his head caused by his braids created more pressure on his brain, making him play alot more intensely.

[tupark82]

I think ever since melo cut his hair, hes been a slower player. the pulling on his head caused by his braids created more pressure on his brain, making him play alot more intensely.

lol wtf :D