Can We Discuss What a SP Is

[crazycards1981]

What does everyone consider a short print? /100, /50 , /25 etc... I think anything numbered to 25 or less should be called a SP but I see people on EBay that have an Auto /499 and call it short printed. We can save the SSP discussion for another time;)

[MI Rob]

/499 isn't really a "Short Print". I think they use it to attract viewers and possibly trick newer members of the hobby.
I'd say /10 and under is a SP in my opinion. /25 is a decent amount.

[npbaker1]

My opinion anything numbered is not a SP. It is what it is. Now with regards to other sets that are not numbered then anything with a smaller print run (whether that be based on official statement from card maker or based on number that have appeared relative to other similar cards of different players) would be an SP

[alexlazarevich]

In my opinion, there is no empirical print run that defines an SP, but rather a Short Print (SP) is only an SP because of its relative print run to other cards in the same set.

For example:

If a set is numbered to /25, and every card in that set is numbered to /25, then there are no SP's in that set.

If a set is numbered to /1500, but one card out of the set is numbered to /1250, then that card numbered to /1250 is an SP.

This applies to all sets, subset, insert sets, parallels, etc.

For those sets that don't have serial numbering, then only the manufacturers know for sure if there are SP's in the set. Or the market will soon determine if there are SP's based on market supply.

[cking]

In my opinion, there is no empirical print run that defines an SP, but rather a Short Print (SP) is only an SP because of its relative print run to other cards in the same set.

For example:

If a set is numbered to /25, and every card in that set is numbered to /25, then there are no SP's in that set.

If a set is numbered to /1500, but one card out of the set is numbered to /1250, then that card numbered to /1250 is an SP.

This applies to all sets, subset, insert sets, parallels, etc.

For those sets that don't have serial numbering, then only the manufacturers know for sure if there are SP's in the set. Or the market will soon determine if there are SP's based on market supply.
I agree with Alex. 2010 Topps Magic is a perfect example. I busted a ton of wax. My set is complete except for a few of the sp cards because they were harder to pull.

[longhrncardshop]

Beckett considered /100 a sp

[crazycards1981]

In my opinion, there is no empirical print run that defines an SP, but rather a Short Print (SP) is only an SP because of its relative print run to other cards in the same set.

For example:

If a set is numbered to /25, and every card in that set is numbered to /25, then there are no SP's in that set.

If a set is numbered to /1500, but one card out of the set is numbered to /1250, then that card numbered to /1250 is an SP.

This applies to all sets, subset, insert sets, parallels, etc.

For those sets that don't have serial numbering, then only the manufacturers know for sure if there are SP's in the set. Or the market will soon determine if there are SP's based on market supply.

I never thought of it this way. Makes sense though.

[ManInTheMirror]

Beckett considered /100 a sp
Totally relevant.


Being that we all totally care what they say.

[bigboysoffootball]

In my opinion, there is no empirical print run that defines an SP, but rather a Short Print (SP) is only an SP because of its relative print run to other cards in the same set.

For example:

If a set is numbered to /25, and every card in that set is numbered to /25, then there are no SP's in that set.

If a set is numbered to /1500, but one card out of the set is numbered to /1250, then that card numbered to /1250 is an SP.

This applies to all sets, subset, insert sets, parallels, etc.

For those sets that don't have serial numbering, then only the manufacturers know for sure if there are SP's in the set. Or the market will soon determine if there are SP's based on market supply.

This would my definition of a SP. Even if a set is #'ed 10,000 and some of them are #'ed to 8,000. Even though most would not consider 8,000 a SP it is to the set. If set builders were building this set those cards would be sought after as only 8,000 people could complete that set.

[ssbledsoe]

Beckett considered /100 a sp

Incorrect. Alex's statement is correct. See Beckett's cataloging of Contenders SP's.

[IronMonkey415]

I just copy people with that put that SP crap when I list a card on ebay. Example that Cam Newton rookie card I have up.

[Jackg1980]

SP means special price on my cards. LOL

[stalzer49]

I consider every card I own is a shortprint. If I sat down and thought about all the variations of the numbered cards I have id be pissed off.