Calvin "Megatron" Johnson best WR ever?

[detroitlions]

he has had these QBS drew stanton, daunte culpepper, jon kitna, and matthew satfford who wasn't entirely healthy all 2011 season and put up 5,000 yards so imagine what megatron can do with a QB like that!

Yes.... i'm a die hard lions fan and do live in michigan but read these stats and tell me he couldnt be the best of all time.
6'5 240lbs
4.3 40 yard dash
45 inch vertical jump
11.7 broad jump
2011 stats
96 receptions
1,691 yard
16 TDs for 96 points

College awards and honors
First-team Freshman All-American 2004
All-American 2005 and 2006
First-Team All-Atlantic Coast Conference, 2004, 2005 and 2006
ACC Rookie of the Year, 2004
ACC Player of the Year, 2006
Four-time ACC Rookie of the Week
Best Wide Receiver in the nation by IGN.com, via NCAA Football 07
Biletnikoff Award, 2006
Paul Warfield Trophy, 2006
GEORGIA TECHS ALL TIME RECIEVING YARDS- 2,927

[ManInTheMirror]

straight cash homie

[Jackg1980]

Ever since "The Catch" I stated he was going to be the best in the NFL.

[MI Rob]

Calvin threads attract haters who rarely watch the Lions play. Lets give him another season or two and see what happens.

Queue the Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Randy Moss, and Miles Austin lovers.

[dholt30]

Ever heard of Jerry Rice?

[The Madbacker]

He'll need to have at least 3 SB Titles and 1 SB MVP to even be considered on the same level as Jerry Rice. I would think that the stats would be about the same when CJ retires.

[addicted36]

Calvin Johnson best ever?

If you were starting a football team today and had your pick of WR's in all of NFL history would you choose Calvin Johnson overall?

Jerry Rice
Tim Brown
Chris Carter
Randy Moss
Terrell Owens

At there primes I would take all of those guys over Megatron personally. I'm not doubting that Megatron is at the peak of his game and is great but I question the best ever argument. Its subjective and he is a future hall of famer but best ever...idk

[freethrowtommy]

He isn't even close. Along with Jerry Rice, white boy Don Hutson has something to say about that as well.

Most freakishly athletic WR of all time? Maybe... Moss is close.

[TrueIrishFan616]

I dont think anyone for a LONG time will come close to Jerry Rice's stats.

Jerry had 22,895 REC yards in his career. Sickening...

Megatron could surpass Rice with the right conditions...such as

Megatron has to stay healthy
Stafford has to stay healthy
Stafford has to maintain the same HIGH level of play that he did last year for years to come

With the emphasis on the passing game being as high as it is now, Megatron could catch up to Rice...but it's gonna take a lot of variables to make it happen.

[freethrowtommy]

Calvin Johnson best ever?

If you were starting a football team today and had your pick of WR's in all of NFL history would you choose Calvin Johnson overall?

Jerry Rice
Don Hutson
Tim Brown
Chris Carter
Randy Moss
Terrell Owens


At there primes I would take all of those guys over Megatron personally. I'm not doubting that Megatron is at the peak of his game and is great but I question the best ever argument. Its subjective and he is a future hall of famer but best ever...idk

Fixed that for you

[detroitlions]

andre johnson, larry fitzgerald and jerry rice have never even been close to having 1,691 yards in there entire careers and out of all three of those wide recievers only 1 has had of 16 TDs in a season and that was 1 time by jerry rice.

[freethrowtommy]

andre johnson, larry fitzgerald and jerry rice have never even been close to having 1,691 yards in there entire careers and out of all three of those wide recievers only 1 has had of 16 TDs in a season and that was 1 time by jerry rice.

Rice had 1848 yards in 1995... and 22 tds in 12 games in 1987. This still isn't close, bro.

[addicted36]

Fixed that for you

Don Hutson? The only white boy receiver I personally would consider is named Steve not Don but hey we all have our opinions...but you have to respect the man who's records held for 40 years...bravo sir

Don Hutson
CAREER: 1935-1945
STATS: 488 Rec, 7,991 Yds, 99 TDs
If it wasn't for Jerry Rice,Don Hutson would've definitely been number one. All this man did was invent the WR position. He was the first to run modern day routes and held 18 NFL records when he retired in '45. His receiving TD record stood for 44 years. He played in a time where defense ruled, every team ran the ball and QBs threw only when necessary. You young'ns better recognize and pay respect.

[jlzinck]

Come back in 5=7 years and ask again

Really....is school out already?

[freethrowtommy]

Don Hutson? The only white boy receiver I personally would consider is named Steve not Don but hey we all have our opinions

You don't know your football history, friend.

[jamuser304]

Rice had 1848 yards in 1995... and 22 tds in 12 games in 1987. This still isn't close, bro.

LOL, where did he get his stats from?

My only remark is that CJ better hope he is nearly invincible like Rice. That guy defied odds by being able to play and produce for so long.

[MI Rob]

andre johnson, larry fitzgerald and jerry rice have never even been close to having 1,691 yards in there entire careers and out of all three of those wide recievers only 1 has had of 16 TDs in a season and that was 1 time by jerry rice.

Go look at Jerry Rice's stats again. Specifically 1995, 1994, 1993, 1990, 1986. All are pretty damn close to 1,691 yards. One season doesn't make a career man. Give it up for a couple more seasons.

[detroitlions]

He'll need to have at least 3 SB Titles and 1 SB MVP to even be considered on the same level as Jerry Rice. I would think that the stats would be about the same when CJ retires.

Ever heard of Jerry Rice?

Calvin threads attract haters who rarely watch the Lions play. Lets give him another season or two and see what happens.

Queue the Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Randy Moss, and Miles Austin lovers.

Rice had 1848 yards in 1995... and 22 tds in 12 games in 1987. This still isn't close, bro.

your getting his stats mixed up my man
in 1995 he had 1848 yards with 15 touchdowns
in 1987 he had 1,084 yard but 22 touchdowns
cant add them together or thats ridicoulous

[freethrowtommy]

Don Hutson? The only white boy receiver I personally would consider is named Steve not Don but hey we all have our opinions...but you have to respect the man who's records held for 40 years...bravo sir

Don Hutson
CAREER: 1935-1945
STATS: 488 Rec, 7,991 Yds, 99 TDs
If it wasn't for Jerry Rice,Don Hutson would've definitely been number one. All this man did was invent the WR position. He was the first to run modern day routes and held 18 NFL records when he retired in '45. His receiving TD record stood for 44 years. He played in a time where defense ruled, every team ran the ball and QBs threw only when necessary. You young'ns better recognize and pay respect.

Props for looking it up... :)!

[cking]

Calvin Johnson best ever?

If you were starting a football team today and had your pick of WR's in all of NFL history would you choose Calvin Johnson overall?

Jerry Rice
Tim Brown
Cris Carter
Randy Moss
Terrell Owens

At there primes I would take all of those guys over Megatron personally. I'm not doubting that Megatron is at the peak of his game and is great but I question the best ever argument. Its subjective and he is a future hall of famer but best ever...idk

I fixed this one for you. Just messing with you.:devil:

[addicted36]

You don't know your football history, friend.

Was not around in the 40s...guilty lol

[Jackg1980]

He made this catch as a freshman in college.

Calvin Johnson - "The Catch" - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXRqyjzyBRg)

[freethrowtommy]

Was not around in the 40s...guilty lol

It's all good... glad you looked it up. That is how we learn!

[freethrowtommy]

your getting his stats mixed up my man
in 1995 he had 1848 yards with 15 touchdowns
in 1987 he had 1,084 yard but 22 touchdowns
cant add them together or thats ridicoulous

I can't believe I am debating this right now...

[jamuser304]

your getting his stats mixed up my man
in 1995 he had 1848 yards with 15 touchdowns
in 1987 he had 1,084 yard but 22 touchdowns
cant add them together or thats ridicoulous


He didn't have to add them together. Your original statement was two separate clauses. In other words, any season can be pointed out towards the individual stat to prove you wrong.

[detroitlions]

I can't believe I am debating this right now...

i read them wrong i went and re read thwm sorry about the confusion, i just bieleve if CJ had been with montana and young he would have been better than rice without a single doubt in my mind

[freethrowtommy]

your getting his stats mixed up my man
in 1995 he had 1848 yards with 15 touchdowns
in 1987 he had 1,084 yard but 22 touchdowns
cant add them together or thats ridicoulous

Fine... same season...

Player Season Finder Query Results - Pro-Football-Reference.com (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&year_min=1920&year_max=2012&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&draft_round_min=0&draft_round_max=99&league_id=&team_id=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_qb=Y&pos_is_rb=Y&pos_is_wr=Y&pos_is_te=Y&pos_is_rec=Y&pos_is_t=Y&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_ol=Y&pos_is_dt=Y&pos_is_de=Y&pos_is_dl=Y&pos_is_ilb=Y&pos_is_olb=Y&pos_is_lb=Y&pos_is_cb=Y&pos_is_s=Y&pos_is_db=Y&pos_is_k=Y&pos_is_p=Y&c1stat=rec_yds&c1comp=gt&c1val=1600&c2stat=rec_td&c2comp=gt&c2val=16&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pass_td&order_by_asc=Y)

Randy Moss did it too.

[detroitlions]

Fine... same season...

Player Season Finder Query Results - Pro-Football-Reference.com (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&year_min=1920&year_max=2012&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&draft_round_min=0&draft_round_max=99&league_id=&team_id=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_qb=Y&pos_is_rb=Y&pos_is_wr=Y&pos_is_te=Y&pos_is_rec=Y&pos_is_t=Y&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_ol=Y&pos_is_dt=Y&pos_is_de=Y&pos_is_dl=Y&pos_is_ilb=Y&pos_is_olb=Y&pos_is_lb=Y&pos_is_cb=Y&pos_is_s=Y&pos_is_db=Y&pos_is_k=Y&pos_is_p=Y&c1stat=rec_yds&c1comp=gt&c1val=1600&c2stat=rec_td&c2comp=gt&c2val=16&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pass_td&order_by_asc=Y)

Randy Moss did it too.

calvin had more yards with 1 less TD big deal

[freethrowtommy]

calvin had more yards with 1 less TD big deal

Where is BenMoss when you need him?

[mnvikingstwins]

Not even close to the best ever.

[iBLeeDBaTTLeReD]

andre johnson, larry fitzgerald and jerry rice have never even been close to having 1,691 yards in there entire careers and out of all three of those wide recievers only 1 has had of 16 TDs in a season and that was 1 time by jerry rice.

Andre Johnson-had 2 back to back 1,500+ yard seasons.

Heres a Megatron fun fact: 9 fumbles in 5 seasons

Andre Johnson 7 fumbles in 9 seasons...Who's tougher/ got better hands??? Need I ask??

When Megatron is all the Lions got I would hope his stats are stacked. Definitely one of the best but not the best ever, wake up and smell the coffee son!

[detroitlions]

Andre Johnson-had 2 back to back 1,500+ yard seasons.

Heres a Megatron fun fact: 9 fumbles in 5 seasons

Andre Johnson 7 fumbles in 9 seasons...Who's tougher/ got better hands??? Need I ask??

When Megatron is all the Lions got I would hope his stats are stacked. Definitely one of the best but not the best ever, wake up and smell the coffee son!

i know hes not the best ever yet but he has only had 1 good QB for 1 season and puts up those #s yet may i remind you the QB was wearing a glove half of the season! andre johnson also has matt schaub

[MI Rob]

Andre Johnson-had 2 back to back 1,500+ yard seasons.

Heres a Megatron fun fact: 9 fumbles in 5 seasons

Andre Johnson 7 fumbles in 9 seasons...Who's tougher/ got better hands??? Need I ask??

When Megatron is all the Lions got I would hope his stats are stacked. Definitely one of the best but not the best ever, wake up and smell the coffee son!

Andre has had injury problems, Calvin has not. I'll take a healthy athletic freak on my team any day over Andre.

Stafford had 5,038 passing yards last season, Calvin only had 1,681 of those yards. Titus, Burleson, and Pettigrew were also huge parts of the offense last season due to the lack of a running game since Jahvid sucks and ended up hurt anyway. Lets throw in the recently aquired Ryan Broyles. Plus the addition of Riley Reiff on the OL and lets see what happens.

[detroitlions]

Andre has had injury problems, Calvin has not. I'll take a healthy athletic freak on my team any day over Andre.

Stafford had 5,038 passing yards last season, Calvin only had 1,681 of those yards. Titus, Burleson, and Pettigrew were also huge parts of the offense last season due to the lack of a running game since Jahvid sucks and ended up hurt anyway. Lets throw in the recently aquired Ryan Broyles. Plus the addition of Riley Reiff on the OL and lets see what happens.

exactly what im saying he has extreme potetial it would be even better if stafford was there since his rookie season because he had lacking QBS like stanton and kitna

[Bars and Bar]

I'd take Andre over Calvin.

[iBLeeDBaTTLeReD]

Andre has had injury problems, Calvin has not. I'll take a healthy athletic freak on my team any day over Andre.

Stafford had 5,038 passing yards last season, Calvin only had 1,681 of those yards. Titus, Burleson, and Pettigrew were also huge parts of the offense last season due to the lack of a running game since Jahvid sucks and ended up hurt anyway. Lets throw in the recently aquired Ryan Broyles. Plus the addition of Riley Reiff on the OL and lets see what happens.

Let's hope that stands true this season. Need I remind you of the..... Madden Curse,lol.

Unfortunately Andre has been plagued by a few injuries but he's always came back strong! Starts back where he left off....

[iBLeeDBaTTLeReD]

exactly what im saying he has extreme potetial it would be even better if stafford was there since his rookie season because he had lacking QBS like stanton and kitna

Are you kidding me?? Andre had David freakin Carr his first 4 seasons in the league with no O-Line

[MasterPattie]

I am a HUGE Lions fan...but CJ has only been in the league for 5 years. Yes, he signed a record contract extension for a WR but that was mostly because the Lions couldn't afford to lose him.

Let's see how his career plays out. He is on the fast track to the Hall of Fame, but you never know what the hell is going to happen. I hate to bring this up, but Sterling Sharpe was on the fast track to the Hall and then he suffered a career ending injury. He played only 7 seasons (All-Pro 5 of those seasons) but was one of the best WRs in his day.

Let time pass a little bit and then let's see, folks. Let's not jump to conclusions (yes, I know...queue the 'jump to conclusions map').

[tolrobb]

best in the game now yes.

jerry rice is the GOAT though.

[The Madbacker]

I'd take Andre over Calvin.

Take Andre's injuries and 5 missed games per season as well?

Calvin is what Andre was, 4 years ago. Andre is not what he once was.

[tolrobb]

I am a HUGE Lions fan...but CJ has only been in the league for 5 years. Yes, he signed a record contract extension for a WR but that was mostly because the Lions couldn't afford to lose him.

Let's see how his career plays out. He is on the fast track to the Hall of Fame, but you never know what the hell is going to happen. I hate to bring this up, but Sterling Sharpe was on the fast track to the Hall and then he suffered a career ending injury. He played only 7 seasons (All-Pro 5 of those seasons) but was one of the best WRs in his day.

Let time pass a little bit and then let's see, folks. Let's not jump to conclusions (yes, I know...queue the 'jump to conclusions map').

don't hate it brother, bring the Sterling Sharpe love. Gotta let these kids know. ;)

[FreeMan12406]

http://www.goddamnlazybastards.com/sites/default/files/emimage-custom_url-http:--media.tumblr.com-tumblr_lh30tqNZDc1qe3d0e.gif_0.gif

[Bars and Bar]

Take Andre's injuries and 5 missed games per season as well?

Calvin is what Andre was, 4 years ago. Andre is not what he once was.

Yes I would. Andre is still better. Stats aren't everything.

[MarinoHOF]

Don Hutson? The only white boy receiver I personally would consider is named Steve not Don but hey we all have our opinions...but you have to respect the man who's records held for 40 years...bravo sir

Don Hutson
CAREER: 1935-1945
STATS: 488 Rec, 7,991 Yds, 99 TDs
If it wasn't for Jerry Rice,Don Hutson would've definitely been number one. All this man did was invent the WR position. He was the first to run modern day routes and held 18 NFL records when he retired in '45. His receiving TD record stood for 44 years. He played in a time where defense ruled, every team ran the ball and QBs threw only when necessary. You young'ns better recognize and pay respect.


Don Hutson is not only the best WR in NFL history.....he is the best PLAYER in NFL history.
The way the game is played has changed a lot,but in his era...he would sometimes have more yards and TD's in a season than the 2nd and 3rd leading receiver COMBINED.
He dominated in a way that will never be duplicated.
Will forever be the greatest player to ever step on the field.

I mean....that would be like Calvin Johnson having better stats than Andre Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald combine almost year in and year out.
(Just hypothetically speaking since those 3 arent always the top 3 statistically)

[TheBurg]

Calvin isn't yet. Can he be? Maybe. But don't sleep on Mike Wallace either, who has the second best stats for a WR in his first 3 years ever (Right behind Mr. Rice) Ultimately, neither will be better than Jerry.

[peeweeherman]

From the players i have seen in my era of life:

1)Jerry Rice(what makes Jerry #1 is yards after the catch)How many going to catch a 8 yard pass and take it to the house?
2)Randy Moss(if he had Brady his whole career he would be #1)
3)Chris Carter(best side line feet for a catch)

[MasterPattie]

don't hate it brother, bring the Sterling Sharpe love. Gotta let these kids know. ;)

Tell me about it. My dad took me to the Packers-Lions playoff game in the Silverdome back in Jan of '94...I was in the 6th grade at the time. Late in the 4th Quarter...TD Sharpe. :(

TyZbla1QyZU

[BostonNut]

CJ also plays in a dome.

Just think of what Rice's stats could have been if he played in a dome instead of the swirling winds of Candlestick...

[MasterPattie]

CJ also plays in a dome.

Just think of what Rice's stats could have been if he played in a dome instead of the swirling winds of Candlestick...

Just think of what his stats would have been had he not had 2 Hall of Fame QBs throwing to him.

[TheBurg]

NO. It's time for a rant. There are way too many variables you could use in an argument. PLAYING IN A DOME!?!?! REALLY? THAT, OF ALL REASONS, IS WHY CJ ISN'T #1? REALLY?

....phew. I also don't care who's throwing to him. That doesn't make him better or worse. What if Steve Young was only that good because of Jerry Rice? Watch the men play, and whoever plays better is better. If you use stats to determine that, great. But don't try and explain stats with stuff like dome vs. no dome when it comes to who was the better player. If that's the case, throw stats out the window.

[BostonNut]

1.) Reach down pants.

2.) Unbunch panties.

It will all be okay...I was just simply adding to the discussion...

Callviin Jonshon izz the gretest wide reeeeceiver of allll timezzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!

Better?

NO. It's time for a rant. There are way too many variables you could use in an argument. PLAYING IN A DOME!?!?! REALLY? THAT, OF ALL REASONS, IS WHY CJ ISN'T #1? REALLY?

....phew. I also don't care who's throwing to him. That doesn't make him better or worse. What if Steve Young was only that good because of Jerry Rice? Watch the men play, and whoever plays better is better. If you use stats to determine that, great. But don't try and explain stats with stuff like dome vs. no dome when it comes to who was the better player. If that's the case, throw stats out the window.

[TheBurg]

1.) Reach down pants.

2.) Unbunch panties.

It will all be okay...I was just simply adding to the discussion...

Callviin Jonshon izz the gretest wide reeeeceiver of allll timezzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!

Better?

Sorry, haven't ranted in a while :rolleyes: Panties have been unbunched. I just disagree with that as a contribution to whether or not he is better.

[cking]

I am a HUGE Lions fan...but CJ has only been in the league for 5 years. Yes, he signed a record contract extension for a WR but that was mostly because the Lions couldn't afford to lose him.

Let's see how his career plays out. He is on the fast track to the Hall of Fame, but you never know what the hell is going to happen. I hate to bring this up, but Sterling Sharpe was on the fast track to the Hall and then he suffered a career ending injury. He played only 7 seasons (All-Pro 5 of those seasons) but was one of the best WRs in his day.

Let time pass a little bit and then let's see, folks. Let's not jump to conclusions (yes, I know...queue the 'jump to conclusions map').

Sterling Sharpe was a great player. Even his HOF brother Shannon said that Sterling was the best football player in thier family.

[HBMC]

Another GOAT thread? How about Don Maynard? Or any other 50's-60's era WR's who played in an era where running the ball was paramount?


Calvin would need to duplicate 2011 at least 9 times to even sniff at Jerry Rice. I don't see Calvin playing another 10 years. Sorry.

[freethrowtommy]

http://www.goddamnlazybastards.com/sites/default/files/emimage-custom_url-http:--media.tumblr.com-tumblr_lh30tqNZDc1qe3d0e.gif_0.gif

That gif gives me nightmares... they look psychotic.

[MasterPattie]

That gif gives me nightmares...

About about this one?

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3nygvJRYG1rntmkc.gif

[ssbledsoe]

OP can't be serious. Calvin is one of the best current WR's, but he doesn't have sh!t on do many of the guys mentioned in this thread. At this point, Calvin has had a few good seasons. But, as noted, Rice has so many more accolades and stats, CJ has a lot left to do to even enter into the "GOAT" conversation.

[freethrowtommy]

Don Hutson is not only the best WR in NFL history.....he is the best PLAYER in NFL history.
The way the game is played has changed a lot,but in his era...he would sometimes have more yards and TD's in a season than the 2nd and 3rd leading receiver COMBINED.
He dominated in a way that will never be duplicated.
Will forever be the greatest player to ever step on the field.

I mean....that would be like Calvin Johnson having better stats than Andre Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald combine almost year in and year out.
(Just hypothetically speaking since those 3 arent always the top 3 statistically)

There it is! Not sure I would go as far as best player, but you are on the ball.

[GetBig14]

Jerry Rice.... Please close thread...

[freethrowtommy]

Jerry Rice.... Please close thread...

Don Hutson... please delete GetBig's post...

[GetBig14]

lol.........

[Army19K]

Are you kidding me?? Andre had David freakin Carr his first 4 seasons in the league with no O-Line

David Carr > Stanton, Kitna and Culpepper

[BoxBreaker72]

Not yet,but he's the greatest in the game right now.

With Stafford healthy, the next 5 years could be legendary. I think at the end of his career, he will be the best ever.

[crac0018]

Don't set yourself up for disappointment...I remember 2002/2003 when Chiefs fans were saying the same things about Priest Holmes and Seahawks fans in '05 staking HOF-claim to Shaun Alexander. Sure, they were great players and had some historic seasons, but GOAT?

Let the man retire first or, at least, create a Tom Brady-like legacy towards the end of his career.

On the other hand, if you feel he's GOAT, then I've got a nice card to sell you at GOAT prices.




he has had these QBS drew stanton, daunte culpepper, jon kitna, and matthew satfford who wasn't entirely healthy all 2011 season and put up 5,000 yards so imagine what megatron can do with a QB like that!

Yes.... i'm a die hard lions fan and do live in michigan but read these stats and tell me he couldnt be the best of all time.
6'5 240lbs
4.3 40 yard dash
45 inch vertical jump
11.7 broad jump
2011 stats
96 receptions
1,691 yard
16 TDs for 96 points

College awards and honors
First-team Freshman All-American 2004
All-American 2005 and 2006
First-Team All-Atlantic Coast Conference, 2004, 2005 and 2006
ACC Rookie of the Year, 2004
ACC Player of the Year, 2006
Four-time ACC Rookie of the Week
Best Wide Receiver in the nation by IGN.com, via NCAA Football 07
Biletnikoff Award, 2006
Paul Warfield Trophy, 2006
GEORGIA TECHS ALL TIME RECIEVING YARDS- 2,927

[hugh]

Calvin is now playing in an era where teams pass way more than they ever have...Jerry Rice will always be #1

[bdubs3316]

Is Calvin the best ever? NO...not even close.
Is Calvin the most "talented" ever? Possibly, he ranks right up there.

Is there another WR that is playing today, that I'd take before him if I were starting a team? No...he'd be my first WR off the board...and it wouldn't be close.

[yankeesfan24]

I would still prefer DHB :flex::p:)!

[allday_vikes]

..................................

[allday_vikes]

Rice had 1848 yards in 1995... and 22 tds in 12 games in 1987. This still isn't close, bro.

your getting his stats mixed up my man
in 1995 he had 1848 yards with 15 touchdowns
in 1987 he had 1,084 yard but 22 touchdowns
cant add them together or thats ridicoulous

Muahahahaha!!!! I was about to give a good explanation but I see there's no point now.

[allday_vikes]

Just think of what his stats would have been had he not had 2 Hall of Fame QBs throwing to him.

Just think if he had the rules that are in place now, then!:D

[popmaz]

David Carr > Stanton, Kitna and Culpepper

Then why couldn't CJ make Culpepper looks as good as Moss and Carter did? That makes a great argument for those two being better than CJ.

[bdubs3316]

Then why couldn't CJ make Culpepper looks as good as Moss and Carter did? That makes a great argument for those two being better than CJ.

having 2 WRs for a defense to cover also makes it easier for a QB. Not to mention, Culpepper's talent diminished considerably by the time he got to Detroit. :)!

[popmaz]

having 2 WRs for a defense to cover also makes it easier for a QB. Not to mention, Culpepper's talent diminished considerably by the time he got to Detroit. :)!

Yes. Having 2 wr certainly helps the cause, but look at Culpeppers numbers in 03 and 04 after CC had retired. In 04 alone he had 4,717 yards and 39 TD. He had Moss but no CC. As for diminshed skills, because talent does not diminish, maybe he just did not have any wr capable of making him look as good as Moss did.

[bdubs3316]

Yes. Having 2 wr certainly helps the cause, but look at Culpeppers numbers in 03 and 04 after CC had retired. In 04 alone he had 4,717 yards and 39 TD. He had Moss but no CC. As for diminshed skills, because talent does not diminish, maybe he just did not have any wr capable of making him look as good as Moss did.

are you BenMoss?

or maybe the OL offered more time for Moss to get open...and the OL of the Lions offered 0 time?

or there was more of a thread to run the ball with the Vikings.

and skill/talent are intertwined. as your skill drops...so does your talent.

[popmaz]

are you BenMoss?

or maybe the OL offered more time for Moss to get open...and the OL of the Lions offered 0 time?

or there was more of a thread to run the ball with the Vikings.

and skill/talent are intertwined. as your skill drops...so does your talent.

I have no clue who benmoss is.
I actually prefer CJ over Moss but wanted to point out that QB really does not matter if the WR is good enough. I think it is absurd to assume CJ is better than Andre just because Schaub is better than the Lions trio. If you are using the QB to determine the value of a WR then Clayton and Duper as well as Vance Johnson would all have to better than Larry Fitzgerald because they made Marino and Elway look good.
Also, I have a talent for playing harmonica, unfortunatley, with age and diminished lung capacity thanks to certain habits, my skill for doing so has diminished. But I will always have the talent for it.

[jlzinck]

Some day, if he practices real hard, Calvin might be as good as Wes Welker.

[pac213up]

Jerry Rice played in an era where cornerbacks could get away with a lot more than today. Hard to compare the two. Passing numbers across the game are inflated because of the rule changes.

[Army19K]

I have no clue who benmoss is.
I actually prefer CJ over Moss but wanted to point out that QB really does not matter if the WR is good enough. I think it is absurd to assume CJ is better than Andre just because Schaub is better than the Lions trio. If you are using the QB to determine the value of a WR then Clayton and Duper as well as Vance Johnson would all have to better than Larry Fitzgerald because they made Marino and Elway look good.
Also, I have a talent for playing harmonica, unfortunatley, with age and diminished lung capacity thanks to certain habits, my skill for doing so has diminished. But I will always have the talent for it.

You make no sense, Culpepper was a threat to throw or run in his Vikings days, hence they could not just all drop back in coverage, he was a broken down mess by the time Detroit signed him. Also of course a QB matters, you are not going to catch the ball if it is being thrown 10 yrds long or short, no matter how good you are. Also, I never said that CJ is better than Andre because of the QB, I was responding to the Texans fan who implied that CJ has better numbers because he didnt have David Carr at QB.

[Ray27Ray52]

Is this thread a joke? Calvin Johnson is an absolute monster. If he continues on this pace he will be a certain Hall of Famer. That being said, he won't ever approach Jerry Rice. It's laughable to even begin to compare them.

[lionsfan20]

It is WAY to early for this debate but CJ is the best wr in the NFL today and if he stays healthy we will be having this discussion again someday for real.

[tolrobb]

Is this thread a joke? Calvin Johnson is an absolute monster. If he continues on this pace he will be a certain Hall of Famer. That being said, he won't ever approach Jerry Rice. It's laughable to even begin to compare them.

co-sign every word of this post except for the word "monster", i was under the impression that he was a robot of some sort. ;)

[popmaz]

You make no sense, Culpepper was a threat to throw or run in his Vikings days, hence they could not just all drop back in coverage, he was a broken down mess by the time Detroit signed him. Also of course a QB matters, you are not going to catch the ball if it is being thrown 10 yrds long or short, no matter how good you are. Also, I never said that CJ is better than Andre because of the QB, I was responding to the Texans fan who implied that CJ has better numbers because he didnt have David Carr at QB.

Let us look at averages for 2 wr over a 3 year period. Wr A is Jerry Rice, considered by most as the greates wr ever, some argue others are because he always had a HOF QB throwing to him.
1995-1997 114 catches for 1534 yards and 12 TD
Wr B over the same 3 years....111 catches for 1425 yards and 10 TD
I am sorry, but I have to wholeheartedly disagree with you on wether a QB helps make a wr great. If you are good enough at what you do, qb does not matter at all as player B shows you.

[Ray27Ray52]

co-sign every word of this post except for the word "monster", i was under the impression that he was a robot of some sort. ;)

Good call. Haha.

[Army19K]

Let us look at averages for 2 wr over a 3 year period. Wr A is Jerry Rice, considered by most as the greates wr ever, some argue others are because he always had a HOF QB throwing to him.
1995-1997 114 catches for 1534 yards and 12 TD
Wr B over the same 3 years....111 catches for 1425 yards and 10 TD
I am sorry, but I have to wholeheartedly disagree with you on wether a QB helps make a wr great. If you are good enough at what you do, qb does not matter at all as player B shows you.

How in the world does player B show that to me, who is he, who is the QB, why am I even responding to this..........My head hurts. Anyways, is CJ the best ever, NO, we dont even know if he will be in the HOF at this point. Still a great WR, and I love that he is on the Lions.

[popmaz]

How in the world does player B show that to me, who is he, who is the QB, why am I even responding to this..........My head hurts. Anyways, is CJ the best ever, NO, we dont even know if he will be in the HOF at this point. Still a great WR, and I love that he is on the Lions.

I was hoping you would ask. WR B is Herman Moore, the QB throwing to Herman Moore in those 3 years was Scott Mitchell. If a QB means so much, Herman Moore must have been the greatest WR of all time putting up numbers like that with Scott freaking Mitchell as the QB. As I said, QB does not matter, if the wr is good enough, he will get his. When comparing wr, let's leave the qb out of it.

[ssbledsoe]

I was hoping you would ask. WR B is Herman Moore, the QB throwing to Herman Moore in those 3 years was Scott Mitchell. If a QB means so much, Herman Moore must have been the greatest WR of all time putting up numbers like that with Scott freaking Mitchell as the QB. As I said, QB does not matter, if the wr is good enough, he will get his. When comparing wr, let's leave the qb out of it.

People making the case for Calvin Johnson as GOAT are complete and utter idiots, morons, mouth breathers, etc. Period. End of story.
You can't just pick and choose 3 years and compare as you see fit. It's about the entire career and the impact that individual had on the games they played.
Calvin has a had a nice start, but he has a LONG way to go to get into the HOF, let alone GOAT discussion(s).

[BroncosFAN#1]

I like Calvin Johnson JR quite a bit but I dont think he is close to Jerry Rice. Jerry Rice was crazy good. Calvin Johnson is also on the madden cover this year so he could just have like 123 yards and 0 TDs all season. Its way to early to call him top 10 even. If he maintains he will be one of the GOAT but we shall see

[popmaz]

People making the case for Calvin Johnson as GOAT are complete and utter idiots, morons, mouth breathers, etc. Period. End of story.
You can't just pick and choose 3 years and compare as you see fit. It's about the entire career and the impact that individual had on the games they played.
Calvin has a had a nice start, but he has a LONG way to go to get into the HOF, let alone GOAT discussion(s).

I only chose those 3 years as a sampling to show that the qb does not make the wr.
There are only 2 players that even deserve to be in this discussion. One defined the position(Don Hutson) and the other redefined it(Jerry Rice). I was not arguing for or against Herman Moore or Calvin Johnson. My argument is simply if we are talking about the greatest wr of all time, who the qb is makes little to no difference.

[Codyfinesse]

Fitz will be the best evr when it's all done. He had Warner yes, but also had two 1k receivers on the team. Besides Warner he has had garbage. He takes the best care of his body and will have a much longer career. By the time it's done he will hold alot of records.

[bdubs3316]

Fitz will be the best evr when it's all done. He had Warner yes, but also had two 1k receivers on the team. Besides Warner he has had garbage. He takes the best care of his body and will have a much longer career. By the time it's done he will hold alot of records.

Please see ssbledsoe's response...as it pertains to Fitz fans too :)!:D:devil:

[Zacy87]

Calvin Johnson is a arguably a top 3 receiver in the league right now. Unless he puts up monstrous numbers for the rest of his career, he wont touch Rice.

[Codyfinesse]

Please see ssbledsoe's response...as it pertains to Fitz fans too :)!:D:devil:

Well he's done it for 8 years and almost brought a super bowl win to a Terrible team.

Chris Carter and Jerry rice have both said fitz is the best

[ssbledsoe]

Well he's done it for 8 years and almost brought a super bowl win to a Terrible team.

Chris Carter and Jerry rice have both said fitz is the best

If he does it for another 8, we can talk then...
BTW, they were referring to current times. I doubt Jerry or CC would say Fitz has had a better career than either of them.

[bdubs3316]

Well he's done it for 8 years and almost brought a super bowl win to a Terrible team.

Chris Carter and Jerry rice have both said fitz is the best

So...almost is good enough to make him the best WR? I can see you are one that likes to give out first place ribbons to everyone that competes...just because they were there and "tried their best".

Also, Fitz needs to play another 11years to tie Jerry's longevity. Btw, 19 years as a WR in the NFL is like winning the lottery 4 times....VERY unlikely to see that again.

[BostonNut]

Please back this up with factual evidence.

Fitz will be the best evr when it's all done. He had Warner yes, but also had two 1k receivers on the team. Besides Warner he has had garbage. He takes the best care of his body and will have a much longer career. By the time it's done he will hold alot of records.

[skipfreely]

Can't be the best without a ring or two IMO.

[hreed2]

WR is the only position in football that there will probably never be an arguement of who the greatest of all time is. Jerry Rice is a once in forever athelete. Over a 21 year career he average almost 1,100 yards a season (this is including a strike shortened season of only 12 games, one year he got injuried and only played in 2 games, one year he only played in 6 games with Oakland and his sad last year in Seattle where he only played in 11 games and was barely used) and he averaged over 9 TDs a season over 21 years, that's insane! If you take out those 3 years he didn't play in a full season then he would've averaged almost 1,250 yards a season and almost 11 TDs a season. If a WR averaged 1,500 yards a season and 13 TDs a season he would still have to keep that up for 15 year to approach Jerry Rice's stats. Rice is in a league of his own and always will be due to his longevity, it's unparalled and always will be. In my opinion WR's will always have to be ranked as 1. Rice, 2. Hutson and then everybody else after that due to what Hutson accomplished in an era that was EXTREMELY against the WR position. Montana was fantastic, Elway was amazin, Marino was a freak but there is definitely room to debate who's the greatest QB of all time. At RB? Jim Brown, Emmit Smith, Walter Payton and Barry Sanders all have VERY legitimate claims to be the greatest RB of all time. At WR? There's absolutely no debate and there never will be.

[Daddy91409]

Ever heard of Jerry Rice?

I understand the Jerry Rice quote, but Jerry Rice had QB's like Montana and Young! Johnson has done his thing with qb's who cannot stay healthy and qb's that are near the end and can't produce like they once did. Calvin Johnson will go down as the best of all time. His stats will be better than that if Rice and he will do it without the talent Rice had around him, and that is the main reason he will be the greatest WR of all time.

[Bibbseat55]

Jerry Rice had 2 of the greatest QB's in NFL history throwing to him. Let's see what CJ does once Stafford proves he's a great QB.

[popmaz]

Did anyone ever think that maybe Jerry Rice had a lot to do to make those 2 QB's HOFers. Montana was great, but check his numbers before and after Jerry Rice. Steve Young had the privelage of having Jerry Rice in his most formitive years. The common denominator in this triangular equation is JERRY RICE!

[Codyfinesse]

If he does it for another 8, we can talk then...
BTW, they were referring to current times. I doubt Jerry or CC would say Fitz has had a better career than either of them.

Hey you guys are nailing me when the thread is calling a guy doing it for five the best. I'm just stating he's been doing it longer.

And giving a ribbon to all? Are you really saying he's not that good? We will see when it's all said and done.

Also, do a little research on Fitzgerald conditioning, diet and all around habits and tell me he doesn't take care of his body the most. The guy has slept with his legs in slings elevated above the bed for years for the blood circulation.

And by the way he " almost brought a super bowl" yes almost. But has Andre or Calvin even been close? The lions went winless in a season.

I'm sorry but my vote still will go for fitz. The other two are injury prone in my eyes, but it is just an opinion like everyone elses

[bdubs3316]

Hey you guys are nailing me when the thread is calling a guy doing it for five the best. I'm just stating he's been doing it longer.

And giving a ribbon to all? Are you really saying he's not that good? We will see when it's all said and done.

Also, do a little research on Fitzgerald conditioning, diet and all around habits and tell me he doesn't take care of his body the most. The guy has slept with his legs in slings elevated above the bed for years for the blood circulation.

And by the way he " almost brought a super bowl" yes almost. But has Andre or Calvin even been close? The lions went winless in a season.

I'm sorry but my vote still will go for fitz. The other two are injury prone in my eyes, but it is just an opinion like everyone elses

WR isn't the most important position on the field and can hardly win a championship by himself. Fitz's teams have been better than Andre's or Calvin's...so that is a pointless debate.

You're fine for liking Fitz the most...but i'd take Calvin.

[Haiku]

Megatron is one of the top3 receivers in the game if not the top one but his far from being the greatest of all time, It's hard to put him ahead of
Rice,Carter,Brown,Moss,Owens,Reed,Monk just to name a few.
I'm sure when it's all said and done and if C.Johnson can keep up his stats he'll be amongst the goat but he still needs few more years under his belt to become one of the goat's.

[ManInTheMirror]

I honestly see him landing maybe fourth or fifth, being that to truly judge you would need other's help for eras that you didn't take part in.

[nabzy28]

Not even reading through 4 pages of this...

1. Jerry Rice
2. Everybody else. (Fitz/Calvin/Carter/Hutson/Berry/Reed/Irvin/.. and on and on.

The difference is the type of situations these guys play(ed) in. During Rice's tenure, and many other of the mid 90's and way before guys, it was a running league. The fact that Fitzgerald has been the only one that has been able to break a ton of Rice's OLD playoff receiving records sets him above anybody else you can throw my way since about 1995.