Who are your guys top 5 QBs? [Archive]

matt roberson

06-19-2012, 02:43 PM

Current:

1. Rodgers
2. Brady
3. P. Manning
4. E. Manning
5. Brees

Retired:

1. Unitas
2. Montana
3. Elway
4. Marino
5. Favre

Ditto, I was trying to figure out someone to take stafford out of the top five but I couldn't remember who I was leaving out... Eli thats who.

detroitlions

06-19-2012, 02:44 PM

stafford had 5,000 yards last year with messed up fingers for a few games....

badbeatkking

06-19-2012, 02:46 PM

stafford
brady
manning
brees
rodgers in no spec. order

Montana
Unitas
Marino
Favre
Starr

addicted36

06-19-2012, 02:46 PM

Depends on lots of things like what offense is being run, which team would they play for, how long you want them to play like if your starting out a new club today and looking for a Franchise (Stafford and Flacco would make that list over Brady Peyton Manning because of age), looking at pure skills vs performance....but just looking at QB careers and nothing else...

Current players alphabetical order not in ranked order:

Aaron Rodgers

Ben Roethlisberger (can't leave off the SB 2 time winning QB imo as he's won more then 3 of these guys on this list and is the most underrated QB playing today imo Flacco is #2 Eli is #3 on that list)

Drew Brees

Peyton Manning (would not be on my list if I were starting a team today, no clue about injury. If I were forced to choose would put Eli here for going forward over his brother)

Tom Brady

Retired:
Brett Farve
Dan Marino
Joe Montana
John Elway
Steve Young

Ray27Ray52

06-19-2012, 02:48 PM

Depends on lots of things like what offense is being run, which team would they play for, how long you want them to play like if your starting out a new club today and looking for a Franchise (Stafford and Flacco would make that list over Brady Peyton Manning because of age), looking at pure skills vs performance....but just looking at QB careers and nothing else...

Current players alphabetical order not in ranked order:

Aaron Rodgers

Ben Roethlisberger (can't leave off the SB 2 time winning QB imo as he's won more then 3 of these guys on this list)

Drew Brees

Peyton Manning (would not be on my list if I were starting a team today, no clue about injury. If I were forced to choose would put Eli here for going forward over his brother)

Tom Brady

Retired:
Brett Farve
Dan Marino
Joe Montana
John Elway
Steve Young

Just curious, not debating you at all, but how did Unitas not make your list of top 5 retired qb's?

robertr1105

06-19-2012, 02:50 PM

Current:
1) Brees
2) Rodgers
3) Brady
4) Eli
5) Roethlisberger

Peyton will go down as the one of the best ever, but I need to see him play after four neck surgeries to judge how good he is NOW.

Retired: I don't know to much about past football history like I do other sports but I'll give it a go
1) Montana
2) Elway
3) Marino
4) Unitas
5) Steve Young

addicted36

06-19-2012, 02:54 PM

Just curious, not debating you at all, but how did Unitas not make your list of top 5 retired qb's?

Honestly because I didn't watch football until the 1970's and never saw him play. If I were just going by what the experts say I would consider guys like Sammy Baugh who's been considered to be as good as Unitas or Sonny Jurgenson or others in history. Never seeing those guys play I have to go by someone Else's opinion on how good he was and everyone has an opinion on it and I could read this:

ESPN.com: Unitas surprised them all (http://espn.go.com/sportscentury/features/00016574.html)

or this

Sammy Baugh is the best quarterback in history - Hogs Haven (http://www.hogshaven.com/2008/3/24/135333/858)

And what does someone take from that? Me I just go by what I saw and from these eyes that's my list

BoxBreaker72

06-19-2012, 02:55 PM

Ditto, I was trying to figure out someone to take stafford out of the top five but I couldn't remember who I was leaving out... Eli thats who.

Stafford is a top 5 QB.... JS.

One of only a few guys ever to throw over 5,000 yards. He had a busted up finger for a couple games also.

addicted36

06-19-2012, 03:03 PM

Stafford is a top 5 QB.... JS.

One of only a few guys ever to throw over 5,000 yards. He had a busted up finger for a couple games also.

This is not a slam on Stafford but I don't believe one season can make someone a top 5 player. Cam Newton had 4000 yards and over 30 TD's....both he and Stafford need to show me a careers worth of games not just one season to take there bodies of work on the same level as other guys at the same position.

Ray27Ray52

06-19-2012, 03:05 PM

Honestly because I didn't watch football until the 1970's and never saw him play. If I were just going by what the experts say I would consider guys like Sammy Baugh who's been considered to be as good as Unitas or Sonny Jurgenson or others in history. Never seeing those guys play I have to go by someone Else's opinion on how good he was and everyone has an opinion on it and I could read this:

ESPN.com: Unitas surprised them all (http://espn.go.com/sportscentury/features/00016574.html)

or this

Sammy Baugh is the best quarterback in history - Hogs Haven (http://www.hogshaven.com/2008/3/24/135333/858)

And what does someone take from that? Me I just go by what I saw and from these eyes that's my list

I love that answer actually. Totally honest and well thought out response. Most people would have said "cause it's my list and I say so!" Appreciate that.

Jackg1980

06-19-2012, 03:25 PM

Tom Brady
Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees
Peyton Manning
M. Stafford

#11 is Eli. I think most QBs could of thrown more then 1 TD against the worst Passing Defensive Team in the Superbowl.

zonacats8

06-19-2012, 03:53 PM

1 cam newton
2 cam newton
3 cam newton
4 cam newton
5 cam newton

Retired-
Cam in 15 years
Cam in 15 years
Cam in 15 years
Cam in 15 years
Cam in 15 years

And we have a winner!!

linsanity

06-19-2012, 04:04 PM

I don't know what all you guys are thinking! The best quaterback is Joe Flacco! He said it himself! :)!

Anyway my top five are:

Rodgers
Brady
Eli Manning
Brees
Rivers

And retired guys...

Montana
Elway
Marino
KURT WARNER
Steve Young

newton615

06-19-2012, 04:04 PM

1. Brady
2. Rodgers
3. Brees
4. Eli
5. Stafford

1. Montana
2. Graham
3. Marino
4. Moon
5. Young

detroitlions

06-19-2012, 04:09 PM

1.Brady
2.Rodgers
3.P.Manning
4.Bress
5.Rivers or Stafford

newton615

06-19-2012, 04:19 PM

How is everyone putting Peyton in their list? He didnt throw a single ball last year and could be sidelined with one nasty hit this year

popmaz

06-19-2012, 04:22 PM

Brees
Brady
Rodgers
Roethlisberger
Eli

All time
Otto Graham
Johnny U
Sammy Baugh
Joe Montana
John Elway

Jackg1980

06-19-2012, 04:34 PM

How is everyone putting Peyton in their list? He didnt throw a single ball last year and could be sidelined with one nasty hit this year

So can anyone. His neck is stronger then it was before. Well that is what the doctors say. It is just a question or not if he has the strength.

TheHelmutt

06-19-2012, 04:41 PM

Current

1. Aaron Charles Rodgers
2. Thomas Brady
3. Peyton Manning
4. Matt Stafford
5. Andrew Brees

Retired

1. Brett Favre
2. Dan Marino
3. Joe Montana
4. Bart Starr
5. John Elway

newton615

06-19-2012, 04:41 PM

So can anyone. His neck is stronger then it was before. Well that is what the doctors say. It is just a question or not if he has the strength.

Well is the active list part of this supposed to be based on career performance or performance last year. if its career then id say brady, big ben, eli 123

addicted36

06-19-2012, 04:54 PM

I don't know what all you guys are thinking! The best quaterback is Joe Flacco! He said it himself! :)!

Flacco would make my top 5 if I were building a Franchise today. He is only 27 years old, he has never missed a game in his career due to injury, he has had the Ravens in the playoffs every year he's been playing, he is the record holder for most game starts in the first two seasons of his career, he won 2 playoff games in his first two seasons starting and is the only QB in history to win a playoff game in each of his first four seasons, and last year was one drop from his first Superbowl berth (which I predicted the Ravens to be in the Superbowl before the season started and was wrong about...damn you Lee Evans). It's nearly impossible imo to leave him off a top 5 list of QB's playing today you wouldn't have in your top 5 if your going by who they are today and how much career is left imo.

Same argument could be made for Stafford but with much less to work with. He is only 24 years old today and although he has only one complete season in 3 years playing is on a lot of people's top lists it seems which I personally disagree with but eh can't win them all

MarinoHOF

06-19-2012, 04:54 PM

Based on who I
would want starting
for me this season

1.Rodgers
2.Peyton
3.Brady
4.Eli
5.Brees

Based on career accolades of active QB's

1.Peyton Manning
2.Tom Brady
3.Eli Manning
4.Big Ben
5A Brees 5B Rodgers

Top 5 Retired QB's
1.Dan Marino
2.Otto Graham
3.Joe Montana
4.Johnny Unitas
5.John Elway

allday_vikes

06-19-2012, 04:55 PM

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TheBurg

06-19-2012, 05:19 PM

IowaCubs1

06-19-2012, 05:26 PM

Roethlisberger is not on enough of these lists. Yes, I'm a Steelers fan. But have you ever watched the man play? His stats aren't and will never be up to snuff. Aside from 3 SB appearances, 2 victories, and the third best winning percentage in league history. Oh, more 4th quarter comebacks than Peyton Manning since 2006 too. To go along with more playoff wins than Peyton, in 6 less years of playing. I'll quote Trent Dilfer here: "No other quarterback, in NFL history, could have succeeded with the offensive line Ben Roethlisberger has had the past 4 years." All of these accolades and the man just turned 30.

- and yes he had more 4th quarter comebacks but so what.... Manning didn't have to have comebacks to win. Also, No one cares about Trent Dilfer. That is like quoting Queen Latifah - stupid. Don't get me wrong Roethlisberger is a good QB, but he will not be a hall of famer.

Current:
1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Drew Brees
4. Aaron Rodgers
5. Eli Manning

Retired:
1. Joe Montana
2. John Elway
3. Dan Marino
4. Johnny Unitas
5. Kurt Warner

TheBurg

06-19-2012, 05:29 PM

- and yes he had more 4th quarter comebacks but so what.... Manning didn't have to have comebacks to win. Also, No one cares about Trent Dilfer. That is like quoting Queen Latifah - stupid. Don't get me wrong Roethlisberger is a good QB, but he will not be a hall of famer.

Current:
1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Drew Brees
4. Aaron Rodgers
5. Eli Manning

Retired:
1. Joe Montana
2. John Elway
3. Dan Marino
4. Johnny Unitas
5. Kurt Warner

Not a hall of famer????? Please do me the honor of listing the QBs with 3 Super Bowl appearances who didn't make it to the Hall of Fame. Yes, Peyton didn't need to come back in all those playoff games they lost.

IowaCubs1

06-19-2012, 05:39 PM

Not a hall of famer????? Please do me the honor of listing the QBs with 3 Super Bowl appearances who didn't make it to the Hall of Fame. Yes, Peyton didn't need to come back in all those playoff games they lost.

I believe Kurt Warner is one of the best QB's of all time, 3 SB appearances, SB MVP, and is not in the hall of fame. Plus, it takes more than a good QB to be in the Super Bowl. Had he not had Bettis, Ward, etc, no way they would have made the Super Bowl. Phil Simms is not a HOFer and he had 3 appearances also and that is 2 off the top of my head...

Also, it took Derrick Thomas, one of the best players to ever play the game, this long just to get in. Roethlisberger = not a HOFer. You are a steelers fan.

TheBurg

06-19-2012, 05:41 PM

Warner is getting in. He's not even eligible yet. Roethlisberger is a multiple Super Bowl winning QB. They all get in. Even Eli will get in.

IowaCubs1

06-19-2012, 05:46 PM

addicted36

06-19-2012, 06:01 PM

I don't agree with the statement about Roethlisberger but that is opinion. Warner may not get in. I believe he should but is not a lock. Like I said, Simms is not a HOFer either, went to 3 SB and won SB MVP. Just saying...

Someone help me here...when did he go to his third Superbowl? I know he won 2 superbowls beating the Broncos and Bills but can't recall a third one.

TheBurg

06-19-2012, 06:03 PM

Someone help me here...when did he go to his third Superbowl? I know he won 2 superbowls beating the Broncos and Bills but can't recall a third one.

I don't think there was a 3rd one. Didn't he get injured that year and replaced by like Todd Collins or someone?

addicted36

06-19-2012, 06:11 PM

I don't think there was a 3rd one. Didn't he get injured that year and replaced by like Todd Collins or someone?

Your thinking of Jeff Hostetler who in 1990 came in for the injured Simms mid season and who won the Giants a Superbowl. Just looked it up. Giants were in the Superbowl 1986, 1990, 2000. Simms retired in the mid 1990's so only 2 SB's for Simms

jlzinck

06-19-2012, 06:19 PM

Here the challenge
top 5 current Qbs
top 5 retired/deceased Qbs

stafford had 5,000 yards last year with messed up fingers for a few games....

Why don't you just start your own "I love the Detroit Lions and everyone else sucks" thread and stop wasting our time!:)!

wee111

06-19-2012, 06:20 PM

Anyone without Eli in their top five is crazy. Quote me on it.

addicted36

06-19-2012, 06:39 PM

Anyone without Eli in their top five is crazy. Quote me on it.

Forget the Superbowls for a minute...consider this (my top 5 list):

Aaron Rodgers (2) (4)
Ben Roethlisberger (1) (2)
Drew Brees (4) (3)
Peyton Manning (6) (3)
Tom Brady (3) (3)

First # = 30 or more passing TD's in a season times player has done this
Second # = 100 or better QB Rating for season times player has done this

Eli Manning (0) (0)

Eli is clutch when it matters most, but he is streaky and has gotten hot at the right times like he did in this years playoffs. Lets remember the Champion Giants went 9-7 this past season when they won the Superbowl and managed to lose both games to the 5-11 Redskins. If it was not for the Superbowl wins I wouldn't think Eli belonged in that conversation personally but if I had to pick a top 5 for QB play this season I would kick out Peyton and put in Eli for the simple fact that Eli won the Superbowl and only one QB can say that this season

MarinoHOF

06-19-2012, 06:45 PM

Warner is getting in. He's not even eligible yet. Roethlisberger is a multiple Super Bowl winning QB. They all get in. Even Eli will get in.

Not true....Jim Plunkett won 2 SuperBowls and isnt a HOFer nor will he ever be.
Not Saying Big Ben wont be a HOFer...but I think he needs more good years.
If he were to retire right now...I would have to vote no on him.

detroitlions

06-19-2012, 07:08 PM

Why don't you just start your own "I love the Detroit Lions and everyone else sucks" thread and stop wasting our time!:)!

thats not a half bad idea ya know!

ramsey13

06-19-2012, 07:21 PM

Current...
1.Brady
2.Manning
3.Brees
4.Rodgers
5.Big Ben

Retired......
1.Montana
2.Otto Graham
3.Favre
4.There are 15 or so tied at #4

addicted36

06-19-2012, 08:22 PM

Not true....Jim Plunkett won 2 SuperBowls and isnt a HOFer nor will he ever be.
Not Saying Big Ben wont be a HOFer...but I think he needs more good years.
If he were to retire right now...I would have to vote no on him.

Good post, and exactly the sentiment that I believe is behind my reasoning I think Ben is the most underrated QB in the game today. Using my example above Ben has 1 season with over 30 TDs and 2 seasons with over 100 QBR. He is a great QB in every word having his team in 3 Superbowls while playing in the same conference that Brady and Peyton play in yet he gets no love. My guess is its because of his off the field crap. Who here is saying things like if Peyton didn't have Marvin Harrison...yet we see if Ben didn't have Hines Ward.

chansen10

06-19-2012, 08:26 PM

Rodgers
Brady
Eli
Bress
Big Ben

Retired
Montana
Favre
Marino
Young
Unitas

MarinoHOF

06-19-2012, 10:14 PM

Good post, and exactly the sentiment that I believe is behind my reasoning I think Ben is the most underrated QB in the game today. Using my example above Ben has 1 season with over 30 TDs and 2 seasons with over 100 QBR. He is a great QB in every word having his team in 3 Superbowls while playing in the same conference that Brady and Peyton play in yet he gets no love. My guess is its because of his off the field crap. Who here is saying things like if Peyton didn't have Marvin Harrison...yet we see if Ben didn't have Hines Ward.

Agree on Big Ben being underrated...and you are probably right in saying his off the field issues have a lot to do with it....although I do believe Matt Schaub is the most underrated QB right now,Id say Ben is a close 2nd.

Truth is....almost everybody had somebody to help them...some to a greater extent than others.
Football is the ultimate team sport.
Although one player can make a HUGE impact,they can't win on their own.
Peyton and Ben are both so talented that it wouldn't matter if Harrison or Ward ever played with them.
They would still probably have had virtually the same amount of success by virtue of raising the level of play of other teammates.
So I take nothing away from Ben for benefiting for Ward and a great D.