does this joe dimaggio auto look legit?

[asw37]

I had this put away, but cant find a coa, want to make sure this is legit before selling. Thanks so much for any opinions!

http://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx107/asw37/Autographs/Dimaggioauto.jpg

http://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx107/asw37/Autographs/DIMAGGIOSIGNEDPHOTO.jpg

[lee7786]

Nope. The m stands out to me.

[otter05]

Yah and the J looks off as well...

[lee7786]

And the rest of it..

[Tyler]

The J is weird and the two G's are too similar. No dot below the second I either. (I know, not all of his signatures have that, but it's still missing...)

[EamonKid]

I think it looks good. I would take a shot at it if it's cheap

[lee7786]

Don't waste your money on trying to get it authenticated. There are a lot of DiMaggio fakes out there, and there are too many areas of concern on that auto.

[Gibberish]

hehe
Look, Joe D is SIMPLE...
Joe Never had to lift his pen to sign the 1st letter of his 1st name, that's all there is to it.
If you get a dog leg whip, the far left middle part of the J, shows you the person is right handed and not used to making that type of J so you get a box look to it.

Also
Take 40x to it and look for minor bleed on curves where the pen was moved slowly. You will get addition ink density on the smallest pause.


the J is always the key and the easiest way to spot a Joe D forgery

See the fluidity here ?

http://fielderschoice.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/dimaggio_auto.jpg?w=304&h=500

granted I am fairly sure EVERY one of those Pinnacles were Auto penned,still ti was his sig it mapped :)


You can train your hand to do a lot of things,but if you don't have skill, you will never counterfeit well.
That's why I always say if it is a Marino Fake,then it's as good as the real thing :)

[JohnnysBench]

On the pinnacle card, do you see the dot below the "o" ? That is the first tell tale exemplar and the first thing third party authenticators seem to look for in a good Joe auto. No dot on yours(can be anywhere below the last name.) The rest of your example is full of red flags as well, but this is a telltale sighn. STAY AWAY!!!(even though Dimaggios may be autopenned, that dot below says a lot about that auto...or autopen lol...

[tonedef2oo8]

hehe


granted I am fairly sure EVERY one of those Pinnacles were Auto penned,still ti was his sig it mapped :)


Do you know how an autopen works? You seem to be spouting out some wild accusations based on what exactly? Lets say for a second it was autopen you do realize there would be similarities between some autographs right? Go ahead and take a few minutes and find me 2 that are identical. There are way to many inconsistencies to be autopenned.

I can tell you I am basing this on working with a Senator while in high school you put 15-20 signatures in the machine and it signs one of them. It dont just make up inconsistencies on a whim, especially the ones you can tell where with a tired hand.

[asw37]

thanks for the opinions everyone, much appreciated.

[Gibberish]

Ya know, it is a nice weekend and I am not going there :0
Suffice as to say simple research will show you how I made such an accusation
I met Joe on multiple occasions. I understand how his arthritis effected him and I also know he signed 10k cards in 1990-1991 for score and if you view those sigs VS any pinnacle you will see a nasty difference also you will see a price difference with the Pinnacle being cheaper.

Those of you who subbed and read my reply via Email before I edited it now, don't goad him.

Tone if you really care, shoot me a PM and I will politely explain without making you seem oafish,immature and inept as I did in the initial post and I apologize for that

[njterp]

Ya know, it is a nice weekend and I am not going there :0
Suffice as to say simple research will show you how I made such an accusation
I met Joe on multiple occasions. I understand how his arthritis effected him and I also know he signed 10k cards in 1990-1991 for score and if you view those sigs VS any pinnacle you will see a nasty difference also you will see a price difference with the Pinnacle being cheaper.

Those of you who subbed and read my reply via Email before I edited it now, don't goad him.

Tone if you really care, shoot me a PM and I will politely explain without making you seem oafish,immature and inept as I did in the initial post and I apologize for that


Pretty interesting stuff here. I was recently considering picking up one of those pinnacles but didn't. Definitely feel better about that now. I had never heard of this or thought much about it but makes sense - thanks for sharing the info. (see not all guys in their 20's are raging haha)

[Prospect Rush]

Ya know, it is a nice weekend and I am not going there :0
Suffice as to say simple research will show you how I made such an accusation
I met Joe on multiple occasions. I understand how his arthritis effected him and I also know he signed 10k cards in 1990-1991 for score and if you view those sigs VS any pinnacle you will see a nasty difference also you will see a price difference with the Pinnacle being cheaper.

Those of you who subbed and read my reply via Email before I edited it now, don't goad him.

Tone if you really care, shoot me a PM and I will politely explain without making you seem oafish,immature and inept as I did in the initial post and I apologize for that

awwwww the edit just doesn't give me the same warm and fuzzy feeling...

[Imac7065]

I don't care if I seem "oafish".. I'm calling BS on gibberish as well.. I am very well versed on how to tell the difference between an autopen and hand auto... and the one you yourself posted was signed by a human being.

Can I say for 100% certain none were autopenned? No.. I haven't examined all 5000-10000 that were made... Can I say that Joe D himself signed the card you posted? No... can I say for 100% certain it was done with a human hand? YES lol

[tonedef2oo8]

Ya know, it is a nice weekend and I am not going there :0
Suffice as to say simple research will show you how I made such an accusation
I met Joe on multiple occasions. I understand how his arthritis effected him and I also know he signed 10k cards in 1990-1991 for score and if you view those sigs VS any pinnacle you will see a nasty difference also you will see a price difference with the Pinnacle being cheaper.

Those of you who subbed and read my reply via Email before I edited it now, don't goad him.

Tone if you really care, shoot me a PM and I will politely explain without making you seem oafish,immature and inept as I did in the initial post and I apologize for that

LOL so you are saying he could sign thousands for score but not pinnacle. And to be honest meeting him is quite irrelevant unless of course he brought you into his state of the art autopen room which makes subtle variations that dont exsist. Could someone else have signed sure, but seriously your autopen theory is comical.

I am sure when you made me seem immature, oafish and inept you posted 2 identical autopen variations to prove your point right? You must have edited that out so I will wait to see that.

[Gibberish]

I don't care if I seem "oafish".. I'm calling BS on gibberish as well.. I am very well versed on how to tell the difference between an autopen and hand auto... and the one you yourself posted was signed by a human being.

Can I say for 100% certain none were autopenned? No.. I haven't examined all 5000-10000 that were made... Can I say that Joe D himself signed the card you posted? No... can I say for 100% certain it was done with a human hand? YES lol

Now you, Well, you are fair game.
You run your suck from the hip with NO intelligence applied at all,just foot loose and fancy free and i am amazed you still post due to the ire you draw on ANYTHING. The simple fact you draw so much aggression from your Points of view should be considered EMPIRICAL FACT that anything you say is exactly opposite of what is reality :)

Ok, your random gap of numbers above shows me you do not know a thing about the card and your POV is a thought formed from....hell if I know. The card set was 1800 autos on each card of card 1-5

5x1800=9000
Now that you have the ACTUAL NUMBER instead of a bullet you pulled out of your ass, lets proceed :)

1992 score 2500 autos per card, 5 card set
5x2500=10,000

You know anyone with arthritis besides the last woman you paid to have sex with ?
I got it, it's brutal.
Joe had it so bad he couldn't sign more than 10 autos in a row and that was back in 1991 when I saw him at the Convention center. Sign 10,stand up,say hi,walk out,smoke,come back, get a new pen,sign 10. That was his modus operandi due to the fact his hands were so inflamed. Ah.....30.00 for an autograph ticket,those sure were the days those. Was cheap to get your heroes autograph


Side note, it was kind of cool standing a few feet away,smoking while Joe was smoking.....touch a star and all that :)

sooooo
20k autos, NOT A HITCH in his sig, just on cards as well as his signing engagements....good lord, it's a wonder he was able to sleep and eat.

Now this is logic I use since Joe can't and the people who worked at Pinnacle wouldn't even admit to such a thing
So you have to ask yourself did Joe sign 20k cards as well as all of his signings and shows over a 2 1/2 year period with athritis so bad he refused to sign balls anymore in 1993 ?

I know, 911 was a bunch of Jihad extremists who flew planes into buildings as well as managing to fit a 747 into a 20ft hole without leaving evidence,impact marks or even a rut in the ground....You must be a Republican


So, to use your appraoch

Did Joe sign 19k Autos + an average of 800-1200 autos per show with up to 23 shows in 1992 alone ? hey, the man was a diety,anything is possible.

Do I think he signed those Pinnacle cards ? Hell no
Does the majority of the hobby ?>

AGAIN...125.00 is usually top end for the auto by itself.....you tell me if the Hobby agrees with me or your half-assed point of view ?

THANKS!

SEE YOU NEXT TOUR !!!

[Imac7065]

Calling me "fair game".. then attacking me shows you for what you are.. a coward, a liar, and an attention whore...

FYI.. I have bought and sold more than 20 of the pinnacle Dimaggio's.. none were there same.. and all were hand signed.

If you cannot tell the difference between autopen and hand.. then you shouldn't buy auto's in any form... it's not difficult to tell.

now why don't you go attack the other 3-4 people who more or less said the same thing as me... oh that's right I'm "fair game"... wow

Now you, Well, you are fair game.
You run your suck from the hip with NO intelligence applied at all,just foot loose and fancy free and i am amazed you still post due to the ire you draw on ANYTHING. The simple fact you draw so much aggression from your Points of view should be considered EMPIRICAL FACT that anything you say is exactly opposite of what is reality :)

Ok, your random gap of numbers above shows me you do not know a thing about the card and your POV is a thought formed from....hell if I know. The card set was 1800 autos on each card of card 1-5

5x1800=9000
Now that you have the ACTUAL NUMBER instead of a bullet you pulled out of your ass, lets proceed :)

1992 score 2500 autos per card, 5 card set
5x2500=10,000

You know anyone with arthritis besides the last woman you paid to have sex with ?
I got it, it's brutal.
Joe had it so bad he couldn't sign more than 10 autos in a row and that was back in 1991 when I saw him at the Convention center. Sign 10,stand up,say hi,walk out,smoke,come back, get a new pen,sign 10. That was his modus operandi due to the fact his hands were so inflamed. Ah.....30.00 for an autograph ticket,those sure were the days those. Was cheap to get your heroes autograph


Side note, it was kind of cool standing a few feet away,smoking while Joe was smoking.....touch a star and all that :)

sooooo
20k autos, NOT A HITCH in his sig, just on cards as well as his signing engagements....good lord, it's a wonder he was able to sleep and eat.

Now this is logic I use since Joe can't and the people who worked at Pinnacle wouldn't even admit to such a thing
So you have to ask yourself did Joe sign 20k cards as well as all of his signings and shows over a 2 1/2 year period with athritis so bad he refused to sign balls anymore in 1993 ?

I know, 911 was a bunch of Jihad extremists who flew planes into buildings as well as managing to fit a 747 into a 20ft hole without leaving evidence,impact marks or even a rut in the ground....You must be a Republican


So, to use your appraoch

Did Joe sign 19k Autos + an average of 800-1200 autos per show with up to 23 shows in 1992 alone ? hey, the man was a diety,anything is possible.

Do I think he signed those Pinnacle cards ? Hell no
Does the majority of the hobby ?>

AGAIN...125.00 is usually top end for the auto by itself.....you tell me if the Hobby agrees with me or your half-assed point of view ?

THANKS!

SEE YOU NEXT TOUR !!!

[Gibberish]

LOL so you are saying he could sign thousands for score but not pinnacle. And to be honest meeting him is quite irrelevant unless of course he brought you into his state of the art autopen room which makes subtle variations that dont exsist. Could someone else have signed sure, but seriously your autopen theory is comical.

I am sure when you made me seem immature, oafish and inept you posted 2 identical autopen variations to prove your point right? You must have edited that out so I will wait to see that.


Oh
WIT...I get it
Meeting him allowed me to see how difficult it was for him to sign, you knew that was where I was going, you would rather take the crotch critter path for points *YAWN* who saw that coming

I posted 2 cards and while fishing around for more realized it would take forever to find 5 copies of each card with images clear enough to show and full well coming any shift up or down,regardless if the auto was the same ,would be enough for you,with the Senatorial back room experience would cause you to rant and rave and said to hell with it.
if logic isn't enough, then I cant help you
So
Go buy a Dimaggio auto from the 80's and then ask yourself why it costs so much more than the pinnacle :)


Oh

The score, if you look at the higher number autos, you will see how fat and run-on the auto gets.
My view is he said to hell with that since Pinnacle is score and he already did it once :)

I will try to keep up with the thread,but really all you are going to do is reiterate what you said above, but I will try !

[Gibberish]

Calling me "fair game".. then attacking me shows you for what you are.. a coward, a liar, and an attention whore...

FYI.. I have bought and sold more than 20 of the pinnacle Dimaggio's.. none were there same.. and all were hand signed.

If you cannot tell the difference between autopen and hand.. then you shouldn't buy auto's in any form... it's not difficult to tell.



Seriously ?
Look at you track record.
A lot of the regular posters on the forum think you are a dumbass, others think you a liar and some a thief. Anyone who is considered a risk to deal with, is fair game when they open their mouth.

You mean you know they are all different ?Hell son,show me some pics !
Let's kill my POV that there are 15 different signatures and only 15, on all 9000 cards

[Imac7065]

I sold 2 BGS 9's of the Dimaggio Pinnacle myself.. but here's proof of another...

JOE DiMAGGIO 1993 Pinnacle AUTOGRAPH BGS 8.5/10 Auto NM-MT+ #4 of 5 Yankees | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/JOE-DiMAGGIO-1993-Pinnacle-AUTOGRAPH-BGS-8-5-10-Auto-NM-MT-4-of-5-Yankees-/150846543458?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item231f279662#ht_3164wt_1396)

so I guess Beckett disagree's with you too.. since it's such a known fake and all...

You ever think it sells low because of the quantity not the auto? good lord

[Imac7065]

I have never once been accused of being a liar or a thief you crackpot... what is your deal? I have done thousand's of dollar of business on here.. how dare you try to smear me because I point out something you are wrong about

Seriously ?
Look at you track record.
A lot of the regular posters on the forum think you are a dumbass, others think you a liar and some a thief. Anyone who is considered a risk to deal with, is fair game when they open their mouth.

You mean you know they are all different ?Hell son,show me some pics !
Let's kill my POV that there are 15 different signatures and only 15, on all 9000 cards

[JohnnysBench]

I'm not going to fight like my 9 year old on a forum site about a hobby, but those Pinnacle cards were hand signed, and after spending the last hour looking at examples of the card, most if not all, were signed by Joe. Of course, I'm just going by the many exemplars I just looked at and the fact I had the honor of sitting behind the table more than once when he signed in the 80's for Gloria Rothstein.

And even after saying that, I still understand this is my opinion.

[Gibberish]

Your proof of what,that a graded card can be listed for sell for more than market ? PFFFT
I didn't need proof of that

beckett disagrees with what ?
Damn man....use whole sentences

Quantity ?
Are you saying that Joe's auto has More value from the 70's and 80's because he ...what ?
Why does his cut sig,when JSA sell for more?

Come on man, use some damn logic or argue with some sense !

[Imac7065]

were you even trying to make a point here? Because I missed it lol... you're circling the drain on this one

Your proof of what,that a graded card can be listed for sell for more than market ? PFFFT
I didn't need proof of that

beckett disagrees with what ?
Damn man....use whole sentences

Quantity ?
Are you saying that Joe's auto has More value from the 70's and 80's because he ...what ?
Why does his cut sig,when JSA sell for more?

Come on man, use some damn logic or argue with some sense !

[Gibberish]

I have never once been accused of being a liar or a thief you crackpot... what is your deal? I have done thousand's of dollar of business on here.. how dare you try to smear me because I point out something you are wrong about

I must have you confused with another Imac whos been called out in the members feedback or made comments and drew back a stub over them....or not.

[Imac7065]

They only thing I have been "accused" of is being wrong in assuming when you agree in principle to a deal it's done.. everyone else took the position "a deal isn't done until money is exchanged".... how you took that to "liar, and possible a theif" shows what kind of a person you are IMO... you just want to smear me because you are clearly wrong here.. why argue the merits when you can just attack the person saying it.

[Gibberish]

I'm not going to fight like my 9 year old on a forum site about a hobby, but those Pinnacle cards were hand signed, and after spending the last hour looking at examples of the card, most if not all, were signed by Joe. Of course, I'm just going by the many exemplars I just looked at and the fact I had the honor of sitting behind the table more than once when he signed in the 80's for Gloria Rothstein.

And even after saying that, I still understand this is my opinion.


So you take the mature road and point out a back and forth is liken to your 9 year old and then make your bones on the situation.

Well, you really showed us :)

I disagree that he signed them. The fact that you can see fatigue in the 91/92 score cards and none in the Pinnacle is my view as to why they sell for more than the latter.

Last post.
I was asked to not have another benny blano thread and I will respect the request of the person whom asked for fear of the repercussions if I do not

However, I have my POV based on my knowledge and other's may have theirs and that is fine.

have a good weekend

[Imac7065]

so you've been threatened to be banned by the mods... shocking lol

So you take the mature road and point out a back and forth is liken to your 9 year old and then make your bones on the situation.

Well, you really showed us :)

I disagree that he signed them. The fact that you can see fatigue in the 91/92 score cards and none in the Pinnacle is my view as to why they sell for more than the latter.

Last post.
I was asked to not have another benny blano thread and I will respect the request of the person whom asked for fear of the repercussions if I do not

However, I have my POV based on my knowledge and other's may have theirs and that is fine.

have a good weekend

[JohnnysBench]

So you take the mature road and point out a back and forth is liken to your 9 year old and then make your bones on the situation.

Well, you really showed us :)

I disagree that he signed them. The fact that you can see fatigue in the 91/92 score cards and none in the Pinnacle is my view as to why they sell for more than the latter.

Last post.
I was asked to not have another benny blano thread and I will respect the request of the person whom asked for fear of the repercussions if I do not

However, I have my POV based on my knowledge and other's may have theirs and that is fine.

have a good weekend

Having an opinion on a subject brought forth by someone(original topic, dimaggio auto..remember?) is not making bones, and I'm certainly open to discussion on the matter, just didnt want to bicker, specifically with you, on the subject. Yes, BTW, that is mature. Once again I'll maintain the Dimaggio Pinnacle auto's are HAND SIGNED. Wether or not by Joe I cant really say, though Most if not all look good to me...

[hhmag70]

Seriously ?
Look at you track record.
A lot of the regular posters on the forum think you are a dumbass,...


Pot, meet kettle.

[jlzinck]

Calling me "fair game".. then attacking me shows you for what you are.. a coward, a liar, and an attention whore...

FYI.. I have bought and sold more than 20 of the pinnacle Dimaggio's.. none were there same.. and all were hand signed.

If you cannot tell the difference between autopen and hand.. then you shouldn't buy auto's in any form... it's not difficult to tell.

now why don't you go attack the other 3-4 people who more or less said the same thing as me... oh that's right I'm "fair game"... wow


"Hi Kettle? Pot here. Whats happening on this fine Saturday. Oh by the way you are black. Have a nice day"

[csmtampa]

Gibberish spewing out more, you guessed it, Gibberish.

[VinnyH]

I'm not going to fight like my 9 year old on a forum site about a hobby, but those Pinnacle cards were hand signed, and after spending the last hour looking at examples of the card, most if not all, were signed by Joe. Of course, I'm just going by the many exemplars I just looked at and the fact I had the honor of sitting behind the table more than once when he signed in the 80's for Gloria Rothstein.

And even after saying that, I still understand this is my opinion.I went or was helping my buddy at most of the White Plains "Gloria" shows in the 80s.

My sig mentions meeting and getting Dimaggio's autograph. Years later a supposed autograph expert from NY looked at it and said it wasn't good since Dimag didn't put the dot by his sig. I wonder if when I was shaking his hand and talking with him about Old Timers Day if he forgot how important that dot would be years later.

Best to All,
VinnyH :eek:

[WhacksPacks]

Jeeze this degraded fast into a middle school brawl....

OP.. It is absolutely a fake.. The criminal who did it had to actually go back and fill in a separate 'I' in the last name... Zoom in.. Its terrible.. Sorry but stay as far away as you can

[Bostonfin]

Jeeze this degraded fast into a middle school brawl....

OP.. It is absolutely a fake.. The criminal who did it had to actually go back and fill in a separate 'I' in the last name... Zoom in.. Its terrible.. Sorry but stay as far away as you can

This the most common error in Joe's fakes from what I have seen. I have seen a lot more of the missing "I" on baseballs though.

[ninjacookies]

I know nothing about Dimaggio autos, but instantly by looking at it it looks like a terrible fake. That auto exudes all typical traits of forgery (slow strokes, letter separation, unconnected letters)

[Gmrson]

On the pinnacle card, do you see the dot below the "o" ? That is the first tell tale exemplar and the first thing third party authenticators seem to look for in a good Joe auto. No dot on yours(can be anywhere below the last name.) The rest of your example is full of red flags as well, but this is a telltale sighn. STAY AWAY!!!(even though Dimaggios may be autopenned, that dot below says a lot about that auto...or autopen lol...

I agree with the dot theory as well. Also the other inconsistencies. A friend of mine asked Joe about the dot years ago after signing and joe didn't like the question and said "I could do it here or here or here" and put a few extra dots on his pic!

[JohnnysBench]

I went or was helping my buddy at most of the White Plains "Gloria" shows in the 80s.

My sig mentions meeting and getting Dimaggio's autograph. Years later a supposed autograph expert from NY looked at it and said it wasn't good since Dimag didn't put the dot by his sig. I wonder if when I was shaking his hand and talking with him about Old Timers Day if he forgot how important that dot would be years later.

Best to All,
VinnyH :eek:

I love this statement and couldn't agree more. Knowing this telltale exemplar is how that certain NY "Authenticator", who I still have to use, authenticates his Joe's automatically. Just like your saying, it dosen't have the dot, he fails it. I also have a vintage Dimaggio from this time period(1989, I think) with NO DOT....I wont even get it authenticated. I have however seen the jokers on the west coast slab many no dot examples. These third party guys will be the first to tell you they are not saying it's bad, they are just not saying it's good. The industry is still better off with them than without them, as I'm sure you can remember what a wild west the 80's autograph scene was....

[JohnnysBench]

Jeeze this degraded fast into a middle school brawl....

OP.. It is absolutely a fake.. The criminal who did it had to actually go back and fill in a separate 'I' in the last name... Zoom in.. Its terrible.. Sorry but stay as far away as you can

And gotta say, this is 100% my opinion as well. Not only bad, one of the worst felonies I've ever seen...

[dmogull]

here's a real one for comparison...definitely has the "dot" under the last name although I have to imagine this would be pretty easy for fakers to do as well, lol

http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m600/dmogull/Dereks%20PC/20120213_150815.jpg

[tonedef2oo8]

Oh
WIT...I get it
Meeting him allowed me to see how difficult it was for him to sign, you knew that was where I was going, you would rather take the crotch critter path for points *YAWN* who saw that coming

I posted 2 cards and while fishing around for more realized it would take forever to find 5 copies of each card with images clear enough to show and full well coming any shift up or down,regardless if the auto was the same ,would be enough for you,with the Senatorial back room experience would cause you to rant and rave and said to hell with it.
if logic isn't enough, then I cant help you
So
Go buy a Dimaggio auto from the 80's and then ask yourself why it costs so much more than the pinnacle :)


Oh

The score, if you look at the higher number autos, you will see how fat and run-on the auto gets.
My view is he said to hell with that since Pinnacle is score and he already did it once :)

I will try to keep up with the thread,but really all you are going to do is reiterate what you said above, but I will try !

I have never seen someone name drop as much as yourself, Just so you know you are not impressing anyone nor does your "meeting/meetings" now make you a Joe D. expert or give you insight to say that Joe D. said "Hell with pinnacle" . I think thats now clear to the entire site, so in the future you may want to refrain from this. But as for your original theory that they where autopened, I am guessing you forget to post the identical 2 autographs that prove your theory? Or was this just to name drop and throw accusations against the wall?

[JohnnysBench]

I agree with the dot theory as well. Also the other inconsistencies. A friend of mine asked Joe about the dot years ago after signing and joe didn't like the question and said "I could do it here or here or here" and put a few extra dots on his pic!

Not that I knew him at all, but that sounds like the Joe. Almost surprised he signed it at all after that, or didn't polka dot the entire pic lol...

[JOEMLM]

likely fake

[lemur01]

I want candy... duh, d-duh, d-duh, d-duh, duh

[lobo_hacker]

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1. Joe DiMaggio did not always put a dot on his sigs.

2. Most of the Blowout Community considers Gibberish that creepy/annoying kid in science class we all ignore and never want to partner with for lab assignments.

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