09 Sportkings series C

[chefant73]

Purchased a box of Sportkings Series C from blowout cards. Pretty good product

Base
Wilma Rudolph
Byron Nelson
Ivan Lendl
Jerry Rice

Mini's
Pele
Ian Thorpe

Hits

Mike Schmidt Auto/Memorabilia Silver
Vladislav Tretiak Auto/Memorabila silver
Roddy Piper Single Memorabilia silver

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[iluvfish2]

Chefant...you need to post prices or remove the famous "FS"

Not a bad break BTW!

[thebear29]

Roddy Piper----I would be expecting a red plaid pattern... Nice looking cards.

[Jolietracing]

The red plaid from a kilt would nicer.

[Tim]

Not a bad break BTW!

Ehhhhhhh -- he is going to lose half his money.

[mwheeler27]

Ehhhhhhh -- he is going to lose half his money.

Perhaps Fish meant it could have been a lot, lot worse. Pulling an auto mem of Tretriak and Schmidt are by far not the two worse auto cards he could have hit. Then he also hit a Pele mini. It all depends on how you look at it. Was he hoping to get half his money back if he didn't hit it big?

I agree with Fish 100%...not a bad break at all.

[Tim]

Perhaps Fish meant it could have been a lot, lot worse. Pulling an auto mem of Tretriak and Schmidt are by far not the two worse auto cards he could have hit. Then he also hit a Pele mini. It all depends on how you look at it. Was he hoping to get half his money back if he didn't hit it big?

I agree with Fish 100%...not a bad break at all.

Well, I don't think ANY Sportkings box would be a bad break to you.;)

I look at it more from a "value" standpoint. That was brutal. But then again, unless you hit a 1 of 1, a silver or gold mini, or an auto of the boxers, you are going to get hurt at current pricing levels. That's just a fact. However, you are right in stating that if you didn't get any of those, then this break was decent. And looking at it from the collector's standpoint and completely dismissing cost and return, then yes, those were very nice cards.

[chefant73]

Perhaps Fish meant it could have been a lot, lot worse. Pulling an auto mem of Tretriak and Schmidt are by far not the two worse auto cards he could have hit. Then he also hit a Pele mini. It all depends on how you look at it. Was he hoping to get half his money back if he didn't hit it big?

I agree with Fish 100%...not a bad break at all.

I Agree not the greatest box but it was not the worst. I like the design of the cards that have a vintage look to them so for the most part i am looking to make a base set. I collect for fun if i was doing this for a business and looking to hit it big, 8 out of 10 times you don't get the big hit and if i could sell or trade the cards for other cards that i like or want to me that what its about.

[mwheeler27]

I Agree not the greatest box but it was not the worst. I like the design of the cards that have a vintage look to them so for the most part i am looking to make a base set. I collect for fun if i was doing this for a business and looking to hit it big, 8 out of 10 times you don't get the big hit and if i could sell or trade the cards for other cards that i like or want to me that what its about.

Excellent. That's what this hobby should be all about.

It's unfortunate Sportkings has to be this expensive to buy sealed, but it has to be that way. UD, Topps, etc. would charge at least double for the exact same make up if they had this product. What else is unfortunate is that these don't sell well right now. One day they will, but not right now for various reasons.

I think you did fine for a one box break. :)!

[bmc398]

Excellent. That's what this hobby should be all about.

It's unfortunate Sportkings has to be this expensive to buy sealed, but it has to be that way. UD, Topps, etc. would charge at least double for the exact same make up if they had this product. What else is unfortunate is that these don't sell well right now. One day they will, but not right now for various reasons.

I think you did fine for a one box break. :)!

He did ok....that schmidt is awesome. Outside of that....terrible. The design on the auto and memorabilia cards are terrible. tretiak and Roddy Piper? Really? The reason why I've never been a sportkings fan is the crap they put on the checklists. Series A and B were much stronger. Series C is a joke. Outside of the big cut or patch hits you're gunna lose on this product from a resale standpoint and also from a PC collection standpoint because nobody collects some of these guys.

If the originals were auto'd this set would be 1000% better.

There is a reason this stuff doesn't sell well and its not because its not a mainstream product...its because nobody collects these guys.

[iluvfish2]

Oh wow...I see a yellow stream heading on Matts SK Love! Actually I like it. I think the price point is high, but your getting on card autos (I've seen SK/ITG delay a product to make sure there are no redemptions), the cards are encased (no damaged cards), and typically a pretty decent checklist of not so main stream guys that have not always been released before (Tyson for example to my knowledge only has one other autographed card). But if they can get Pippen, Barkley (two good BK names to sign for the next release), that will help create some additional excitement. I think the base cards look fairly sharp as they have vintage look with obvious modern styling. The mini's are interesting and collected. This years gold and silvers I thought were a great add to the mix (which didnt have to be done).

The mix of sports I find to be very intersting as well. It could also be a downfall as well, as Americana doesnt resell real well either (trying to think of another product that has branched into non mainstream sports..aka horse racing, olympics, etc).

[mwheeler27]

He did ok....that schmidt is awesome. Outside of that....terrible. The design on the auto and memorabilia cards are terrible. tretiak and Roddy Piper? Really? The reason why I've never been a sportkings fan is the crap they put on the checklists. Series A and B were much stronger. Series C is a joke. Outside of the big cut or patch hits you're gunna lose on this product from a resale standpoint and also from a PC collection standpoint because nobody collects some of these guys.

If the originals were auto'd this set would be 1000% better.

There is a reason this stuff doesn't sell well and its not because its not a mainstream product...its because nobody collects these guys.

This is why the product is so great. You might not know who Tretiak or Piper are, but others do, and they are both collectible in the right circle of collectors. Tretiak is a big deal to some people. Some of his cards in this release have doubled the sales prices of Namath, Lennox Lewis, and even Pele.

Some people say Series A and B were stronger, some people say C is the best by far. It all depends on who you like. One thing is for certain though, Series D will be the best yet and won't be disputed by anyone. I wish I could say more. ;)

[iluvfish2]

KS-WB1, WB2, and WB3 is all I want to know Matt :)

[mwheeler27]

He did ok....that schmidt is awesome. Outside of that....terrible. The design on the auto and memorabilia cards are terrible.

If the originals were auto'd this set would be 1000% better.

There is a reason this stuff doesn't sell well and its not because its not a mainstream product...its because nobody collects these guys.

Furthermore, something that I'm sure you don't know or even realize, but should...

There are player collectors out there that eat this stuff up. Did you see the Mat Hoffman patch card that sold on Ebay for $500 BIN, or the Pete Sampras patch card that sold for $835 on ebay at auction? :eek: Really, these guys can sell for this much? At a recent card show, there was a HUGE Pete Maravich collector there hoping to see the Maravich 1/1 cut auto pulled so he could buy it right there on the spot. The same goes for Stan Smith collectors, and I'm only naming a few, and none of them are me. Competition for these rare cards is tremendous.

There's a rumor going around that a Phil Hellmuth from Series A has a buy offer of $2100! (I heard this first hand). And it's not even autographed! :eek: Tell me what other present-day product sells non-autographed cards anywhere close to what Sportkings cards sell for. Trust me, I could go on and on about how sales of SK cards exceed what other 1/1 cards go for in any other product. Yes, even the Logoman cards of Upper Deck. :flex:

I like Hellmuth and his cards, but a serious $2100 offer on a logo card? :eek::eek::eek:

Hopefully this helps you better understand and appreciate why this is a such great product. ;)

[mwheeler27]

KS-WB1, WB2, and WB3 is all I want to know Matt :)

I would love to see WB in Series D, but I have heard nothing about that yet. Hang around long enough though, and if he's not in D, I bet he makes it into one shortly thereafter. I hope so anyway.

[iluvfish2]

I couldnt afford WB1, WB2, or WB3, but rest assured, I'd be moving inventory so I'd have a chance! WB3 (D-rays) would be my favorite by far (due to the color combinations/possibilities) as WB1 (Red Sox, 3 cl at best) and WB2 (Yankees, 2 cl at best) would be solid sellers (excluding special patches that the jerseys may have).

[mwheeler27]

I don't think they put more than 1 version of the King-Sized cards per player per release. I'll have to look back though and see. For instance, I think the Bo Jackson King-Sized is the Royals uni and there hasn't been one since. Again, I'll have to look back to see if this is even correct.

[mwheeler27]

Well, I'm wrong already. In Series B, Deion Sanders had a baseball and football version of the King-Sized cards. And Reggie Jackson has 3 different versions in Series C. I should have known that since I have 2 of the 3. I'm telling you, I'm still not caught up on all that has taken place since this product released.

[iluvfish2]

Well, I'm wrong already. In Series B, Deion Sanders had a baseball and football version of the King-Sized cards.

I hadn't even thought of Deion. I had actually figured Mr. Reggie as I'm pretty sure I've seen A's and Angels stuff (and one would have to think a Yankee version would be there as well). I'd love to see him in King Sized....but think if they did just the patch version, with it being /9, I could sneak one, maybe 2 into my collection.

Speaking of which...has SK had Rickey Henderson in their release yet? One would think he'd qualify (and a game-used base card would be very fitting for him).

[mwheeler27]

I don't think Henderson has been included yet. There are so many athletes yet that they could include. It will be fun to see where this all ends up. Like how many releases they end up doing, who ends up getting left out when they are through making SK, etc.

[bmc398]

Mwheeler- Yes I know who Tretiak and Roddy Piper are. Shoot, I was a pretty big WCW/WWF fan and enjoyed him. Tretiak isn't really a big draw to me and I don't think he would be either for a hockey fan vs. other "legendary" goalies out there.

My problem with the product is this...say the casual collector goes out and buys a box...what are the odds of him hitting ANYTHING worth value? I know the print run is limited on this stuff and all but between the 3 cases I have seen broken live and the assorted breaks on here none of the cards would net more than $100 and a box wouldn't net you anymore than $200 if you sold every piece.

We had a debate awhile ago about SportKings vs. The UD Goudey set. I will agree that the sport kings set is miles beyond the base goudey set. My issue with sportkings is that the autos look terrible!!! Why not do it Goudey style and have guys sign on their Sport kings designed cards instead of that generic looking design they used for their autos. That would increase the value A LOT on the base autos with little effort. Also, C's checklist is terrible.

I could imagine the logo patch cards selling for a HUUUUGE premium. I've seen a couple and they are nice looking cards. Now what are the odds of hitting one of those???

Basically, if there's nothing you want to collect in the base set due to the crappy checklist and resell value isn't there...why would you bust this???

[mwheeler27]

Mwheeler- Yes I know who Tretiak and Roddy Piper are. Shoot, I was a pretty big WCW/WWF fan and enjoyed him. Tretiak isn't really a big draw to me and I don't think he would be either for a hockey fan vs. other "legendary" goalies out there.

My problem with the product is this...say the casual collector goes out and buys a box...what are the odds of him hitting ANYTHING worth value? I know the print run is limited on this stuff and all but between the 3 cases I have seen broken live and the assorted breaks on here none of the cards would net more than $100 and a box wouldn't net you anymore than $200 if you sold every piece.

We had a debate awhile ago about SportKings vs. The UD Goudey set. I will agree that the sport kings set is miles beyond the base goudey set. My issue with sportkings is that the autos look terrible!!! Why not do it Goudey style and have guys sign on their Sport kings designed cards instead of that generic looking design they used for their autos. That would increase the value A LOT on the base autos with little effort. Also, C's checklist is terrible.

I could imagine the logo patch cards selling for a HUUUUGE premium. I've seen a couple and they are nice looking cards. Now what are the odds of hitting one of those???

Basically, if there's nothing you want to collect in the base set due to the crappy checklist and resell value isn't there...why would you bust this???

I understand that "you" think the checklist is crappy, but to put it mildly, others think it's the best one yet. This might not be a product for you, but it is perfect for many others. And to answer your question about the odds of hitting a logo patch...there are 52 logo cards, (one for each base card). There were 139 master cases made. Therefore, you would pull a Logo Patch card in less than every 3 cases "on average". Probably the best odds in the card making industry.

I'll have you know that I spent over 30 minutes on the phone with a famous celebrity from Los Angeles last night that called me out of the blue. He knew I was into SK and wanted to talk to me about it. His favorite player in Series C is Roddy Piper. Piper is a very close friend of his. I was amazed at the stories he told me, and I can't begin to tell you how much of a pleasure it was to talk to him last night.

Having said that, this product not only appeals to the everyday collector, but also celebrities. Although that's probably true for every product made.

[chefant73]

I understand that "you" think the checklist is crappy, but to put it mildly, others think it's the best one yet. This might not be a product for you, but it is perfect for many others. And to answer your question about the odds of hitting a logo patch...there are 52 logo cards, (one for each base card). There were 139 master cases made. Therefore, you would pull a Logo Patch card in less than every 3 cases "on average". Probably the best odds in the card making industry.

I'll have you know that I spent over 30 minutes on the phone with a famous celebrity from Los Angeles last night that called me out of the blue. He knew I was into SK and wanted to talk to me about it. His favorite player in Series C is Roddy Piper. Piper is a very close friend of his. I was amazed at the stories he told me, and I can't begin to tell you how much of a pleasure it was to talk to him last night.

Having said that, this product not only appeals to the everyday collector, but also celebrities. Although that's probably true for every product made.
Was it Jimmy snuka and The coconut incident with roddy piper from the mid 80's. that was classic!!!

[mwheeler27]

Was it Jimmy snuka and The coconut incident with roddy piper from the mid 80's. that was classic!!!

No, it wasn't him, but there was an incident that Vince McMahon was upset about that involved this guy, Piper, a kid from the audience and at least one other wrestler.

[Zerokruel]

No, it wasn't him, but there was an incident that Vince McMahon was upset about that involved this guy, Piper, a kid from the audience and at least one other wrestler.

You talking about the Jericho and Gowen leg incident?

[IronMonkey415]

You talking about the handicap kid that climbed over the barricade to rescue HBK or was it Bret Hart?

[mma138]

im interested in seeing who they pick as a mma card in series d since the ufc guys are now all exclusive to topps

[Johnsmithysmith]

Hi

i agree there isnt much chance you will get youre money back on sportkings even if you hit a good card.

The only one i have seen go for heaps is huge game used pete sampras card. But even the big stars for autos dont seem to go for much. The other exception was pele game used signed auto on patch wicked card was asking like about 3 grand US for it would of loved that card but could never afford it wish they bring back great cards like that in the series keep them rare but make sure they put like ten great cards like that in a series. This would make me want to break a case of this stuff.

[mwheeler27]

Hi

i agree there isnt much chance you will get youre money back on sportkings even if you hit a good card.

The only one i have seen go for heaps is huge game used pete sampras card. But even the big stars for autos dont seem to go for much. The other exception was pele game used signed auto on patch wicked card was asking like about 3 grand US for it would of loved that card but could never afford it wish they bring back great cards like that in the series keep them rare but make sure they put like ten great cards like that in a series. This would make me want to break a case of this stuff.

The reason you have only "seen" a few cards sell for very much is because the vast majority of the "GREAT" cards are sold off-line. However, here are just two examples of cards that sold on-line on Ebay for a lot more than the two cards you just mentioned:

SPORTKINGS EIGHT MEN OUT CUT AUTO SWEDE RISBERG 1/1 - eBay (item 390075772757 end time Aug-05-09 20:00:00 PDT) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390075772757&ssPageName=STRK:MEDWX:IT#ht_638wt_958)

and...

2009 Sportkings Eight Men Out Chick Gandil Cut Auto 1/1 - eBay (item 170370014134 end time Aug-15-09 09:24:16 PDT) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170370014134&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT#ht_1417wt_754)

There are a good dozen cards I personally know about that have sold for over twice what each of these have sold for and many, many more that sold for similar amounts. Sportkings is loaded with HUGE pulls. You just don't see them pop up on Ebay very often. For instance, neither of the Babe Ruth 1/1 cut autos have surfaced on Ebay, but they have both been sold for big money. I'm not even going to mention how much the Ty Cobbs', John F. Kennedys, etc. have sold for.

That Pete Sampras card you spoke of is 1 of 200 different 1/1 cards in this year's Super Box set. I know the sales prices of over 160 of the 200 cards, and their average selling price is over $500! Can you imagine, a 200 card set where all cards average over $500 each? :eek:

[tooleman]

Which athletes, in your opinion, would make up the most valuable Single Made to Order card, Double Made to Order Card and Triple Made to Order card, from the Sportkings Made to Order checklist?

[mwheeler27]

Which athletes, in your opinion, would make up the most valuable Single Made to Order card, Double Made to Order Card and Triple Made to Order card, from the Sportkings Made to Order checklist?

This is definitely a matter of opinion.

Obviously, some people really like the poker players for instance, and if the right people see these cards, they sell for good money. The same can be said for the horse racing cards as well as the old school hockey goalies. I think the ones that have the least amount of secondary value are the ones where there are a lot of memorabilia stuff out there already. Choosing something unique is what should hold it's value.

Are you considering redeeming your double MTO card?

[Johnsmithysmith]

hey

yer the 1\1 cards yer worth a lot, But i just wonder why the gold version of the cards for big stars will lucky if they reach 100 us dollars. I think some of the cards are worth alot more than that but seems sometimes that you could get good auto for like under 50 Us dollars .

Is it these cards are worth more than people are paying but then a card is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

[mwheeler27]

hey

yer the 1\1 cards yer worth a lot, But i just wonder why the gold version of the cards for big stars will lucky if they reach 100 us dollars. I think some of the cards are worth alot more than that but seems sometimes that you could get good auto for like under 50 Us dollars .

Is it these cards are worth more than people are paying but then a card is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

Sportkings is still not appreciated enough to command the appropriate prices. The economy is having an affect too in my opinion. One day I believe these cards will all be worth a lot more than what they are bringing today.

[tooleman]

Matt, I'm of the same mindset. I was thinking Seattle Slew-Secretariat would be a valuable card......I'm a Steelers/Pirates/Penguins fan, so a Clemente-Lemieux card would be appealing to me....but probably not to someone who isn't a fan of the Pittsburgh teams.

[mwheeler27]

Matt, I'm of the same mindset. I was thinking Seattle Slew-Secretariat would be a valuable card......I'm a Steelers/Pirates/Penguins fan, so a Clemente-Lemieux card would be appealing to me....but probably not to someone who isn't a fan of the Pittsburgh teams.

Something you might consider...

SK has done several double mem cards with Seattle Slew and Secretariat on them. If I were you, and I was looking at selling the card in the near future, I would find an appealing combination that hasn't been done before. Your Clemente/Lemieux idea is a good one. I'm not sure if that one has been done yet or not, but can look back through checklists for you. They had a cityscapes set in each series, and both of these guys were individually in Series A. You'd be surprised how many people like these two players, and having them both on the same card would be very cool.

Edit: Clemente/Lemieux have appeared on the same card from the Cityscapes Double Mem set in Series A.

[gman71]

I think some of the boxing stuff will hold its value. Granted,my opinion is biased as I'm buying the autographs,but one would have to think a Mike Tyson auto would stand the test of time.
Hoping they make Evander in the next release

[bmc398]

I think some of the boxing stuff will hold its value. Granted,my opinion is biased as I'm buying the autographs,but one would have to think a Mike Tyson auto would stand the test of time.
Hoping they make Evander in the next release

As long as its a guy who doesn't have any mainstream card company releases his card will at a minimum hold its value. A guy like Mike Schmidt has 10,000 other auto memorabilia cards and 9,999 are better designed than this one...

[mwheeler27]

As long as its a guy who doesn't have any mainstream card company releases his card will at a minimum hold its value. A guy like Mike Schmidt has 10,000 other auto memorabilia cards and 9,999 are better designed than this one...

Some would agree with you and others would not. However, you can't argue the fact that they are more limited than most other products out there, and the autos are all on-card with never any redemptions and never any pushed back release dates. Hands down, Sportkings is a solid winner if you're a collector.

If all goes as is planned, Series D will blow everyone away. ;)