cam who??

[bradsholly]

I'm sorry, I feel for all of those guys that dumped tens of thousands into his cards, thank god i was smart and dumped every one I had!!

[MI Rob]

Cam set the bar high last season. There was no way he was going to duplicate his performance coming into this season.

I won't say fluke yet.

[Broski044]

So your basing this off one game?

[bradsholly]

So your basing this off one game?

where have you been the rest of this season????

[1eyed_jack]

Didn't see Cam the first two weeks, so this is my first time watching him this season, but he looks awful. He's missing receivers, throwing behind them, staring down his receivers...etc.

Basically, he looks like a rookie

[asujbl]

Doesn't surprise me at all if he flops - no I'm not saying he will after a bad game - I just wasn't all that impressed with him going into the draft last year. He surprised me way more last year then he did if he flops this year.

I'm sure I'm wrong - but I'll be bumping the old thread where I said he wasn't a Top 10 pick if he doesn't make it. Haha

[lionsfan20]

Holy over reaction batman! Lets give the guy at least 2 full seasons before we write him off lol. Guy smashed rookie QB records and has an awesome rookie season on a terrible team and he has a couple bad games and all of a sudden he sucks??!

[burgbasher]

Didn't see Cam the first two weeks, so this is my first time watching him this season, but he looks awful. He's missing receivers, throwing behind them, staring down his receivers...etc.

Basically, he looks like a rookie

This is what i was thinking .

[808buynsell808]

Lmao and Dalton looked good in game 1???? There are alot more games right?? Or is it the playoffs already??

[37Jetson]

You give NFL coaches an off-season to game plan against a specific player and it is amazing what they can come up with. Cam Newton has a lot of pressure on his shoulders this year to perform. It will be interesting if he can regain the magic.

[808buynsell808]

where have you been the rest of this season????

Wow 3 games in lol js, we will see alot more games to be played. Also hard to do anything when your "O" line looks like crap imo.

[MI Rob]

Wow 3 games in lol js, we will see alot more games to be played. Also hard to do anything when your "O" line looks like crap imo.

Is it the same O-Line as last season???

[Fields16]

cam newton is dirty u wait.... wish i had one of his high end autos

[Broski044]

where have you been the rest of this season????

This whole thread is funny coming from an Andy Dalton fan.

[808buynsell808]

This whole thread is funny coming from an Andy Dalton fan.

Lol exactly!!

[mrmoz55]

cam who? is 100% right as a member of the carolina panthers this guy will never reach his full potential or even see the playoffs. He is surrounded by crap

[bradsholly]

This whole thread is funny coming from an Andy Dalton fan.

2012 CIN 46 68 539 67.6 7.93 3 50 2 1 48.9 93.9

2012
CAR
2 37 53 69.8 556 10.49 2 66 2 1 65.4 100.8

looks pretty close to me, with an extra td, and now 3 less INT's!!

[jlzinck]

At least the Panthers aren't treating him like a slave.:rolleyes:

[blingbrian]

his last name is Newton.

[Broski044]

2012 CIN 46 68 539 67.6 7.93 3 50 2 1 48.9 93.9

2012
CAR
2 37 53 69.8 556 10.49 2 66 2 1 65.4 100.8

looks pretty close to me, with an extra td, and now 3 less INT's!!


Lol. Seriously, don't even compare Dalton to Cam, it's not even close. There are very few that would take Dalton over Cam.

[808buynsell808]

Consider for a moment if Cam was on Cincy:eek:, who would be better Cam or Dalton??? I rest my case :)!

[frankhoover]

I can't remember a player in their career playing perfect every game, and neither will cam. The panthers defense is pretty bad, poor tackling, no pressure on Eli, you're not going to win games. (and this is coming from a panthers fan)

[mrmoz55]

oh man cam to aj how sweet

[MI Rob]

Lol. Seriously, don't even compare Dalton to Cam, it's not even close. There are very few that would take Dalton over Cam.

When defenses figure out Cams gimmick style of QB thoroughly, more people will choose a real style QB like Dalton.

[Broski044]

When defenses figure out Cams gimmick style of QB thoroughly, more people will choose a real style QB like Dalton.

Maybe but right now people would want Cam.

[jt16]

1st of all NYG defense makes a lot of quarterbacks look bad when they get pressure with thier front 4.

Cam was one NBC's player of the week last week.

I guess RGIII is better then Cam Newton right?

[ajlaxmn]

It's one game.

You're right he sucks, can't throw, he's a scam, cheated at Auburn, does steroids, he can't throw, cheats at uno, did I mention he can't throw?

SELL, SELL, SELL!!!

SMeffingH! *facepalm*

[popmaz]

We want Jimmy! We want Jimmy!

[mikestrick]

The term Sophomore Slump is a real term for a reason. Cam may stink up the entire season, but I'm more than happy that he is the QB for the team that I root for. Did he have a horrible game tonight? Absolutely! But when the opposing kicker only punts the ball 2 times, you can't blame the entire loss on Cam.

[HenneFan007]

Well everyone has a bad game from time to time. Already this season we have seen 3 pick games from Stafford, Manning, Vick (4), heck even Brandon Weeden threw for a few :p.

But seriously did he have to do it on the week that my opponent in fantasy has the Giants Defense? :( lol

[blevins26]

Cam looked pretty awful tonight. Plus, and I say this as a Giants fan, until he gets some legit talent around him, don't expect big things. Eli was marginal until they were able to draft a stud in Nicks and a diamond in the rough in Cruz.

He's got talent but he's not there yet. I'll be picking up his rookie autos this year from the same sellers who dumped Bradford last year so they could buy Cam.

[Mattspalace]

... until he gets some legit talent around him, don't expect big things.

Agree completely. Cam is a great QB, but is surrounded by a rather weak squad. Much like Bradford to be honest - obviously very different QB styles.

As far as Dalton vs. Newton, Dalton's chances of getting to the big one are far better than Newton's as things stand right now. Bengals are also in the hardest AFC division to boot.
The Panthers really need to get Cam some talent. They got spanked last night and he looked about as bad as I've ever seen.

[Pacerjones20]

killed my damn fantasy team this week...i hope my other players go off

[chrismiller81]

This whole thread is funny coming from an Andy Dalton fan.

Amen to that! Andy Dalton is a turd!

[superynaldo]

in all fairness, whether Cam becomes the next great Quarterback or not, this shows why you NEVER pay the big dollars for rookie cards so early... there will be quite a few collectors that lose their asses because of premature overpaying for newer cards...

[808buynsell808]

in all fairness, whether Cam becomes the next great Quarterback or not, this shows why you NEVER pay the big dollars for rookie cards so early... there will be quite a few collectors that lose their asses because of premature overpaying for newer cards...

Wait so your telling me if he does become great that people will still lose their asses??? I'm alittle confused with your statment lol cause if he does become an elite QB won't his cards rise greatly in value??

[ninjacookies]

Figures a Dalton collector would make a thread like this. And this is why BO will always provide the lulz.

So Cam has a terrible game against the reigning Super Bowl champs. Stop the presses.

Oh but wait, I seem to recall Dalton having an absolutely horrid 0 td performance against the Ravens week 1 where he was unable to get anything going. Then 'barely' squeaking out a victory against the Browns, who have consistently been one of the shining laughing stocks in the AFC this decade.

Yeah, I guess they're both busts then. Careers are over.

inb4 'but it's only 2 games, Dalton is the bestest evar'

[jlzinck]

1st of all NYG defense makes a lot of quarterbacks look bad when they get pressure with thier front 4.


Tom Brady agrees!!!

[rednecksims]

Dump those rookie autos right to this guy. He sucks so they are worthless and cheap right?

David

[Razorsharp79]

I bashed Cam collectors quite a bit b/c his prices were WAY to high to buy in to. If you had to have his cards it is always better to wait until a players second year is over to buy. Most top rookies sell for more during their rookie year that any other when the hype is at its greatest of what they "could" be.

People always go with what is new, and right now RG3 and Luck are new and Cam is old news plus he is struggling on a horrible team as I prescribed months ago. I remember people paying 290 bucks for a blue ink premiere of Newton, now they go for around 120. The same thing happened the year before with Tebow and Bradford. Feel sorry for those putting up huge $$$ for RG3 and Luck, the sellers are getting more than they will ever get for them right now. Best time to flip andrew luck or RG3 is right now, wait until next year you will lose money IMO

[patchgenie]

cam whoton:confused:

[crazycards1981]

where have you been the rest of this season????

Its week 3.

[Mattspalace]

People always go with what is new, and right now RG3 and Luck are new and Cam is old news plus he is struggling on a horrible team as I prescribed months ago. I remember people paying 290 bucks for a blue ink premiere of Newton, now they go for around 120. The same thing happened the year before with Tebow and Bradford. Feel sorry for those putting up huge $$$ for RG3 and Luck, the sellers are getting more than they will ever get for them right now. Best time to flip andrew luck or RG3 is right now, wait until next year you will lose money IMO

About 95% of the time, this is true, especially for QBs.

[slappybag]

At least the Panthers aren't treating him like a slave.:rolleyes:

LOL..Nope, looks like they have installed the Tebow offense for him.

[saintsfan9]

The term Sophomore Slump is a real term for a reason. Cam may stink up the entire season, but I'm more than happy that he is the QB for the team that I root for. Did he have a horrible game tonight? Absolutely! But when the opposing kicker only punts the ball 2 times, you can't blame the entire loss on Cam.

true but Carolina only punted 3 times, since cam gave the ball away the rest of the times. Also the giants only had to punt twice since cam kept giving them good field position, as well as their KR/PR.

[Cubs_rock21]

Cam Newton got me 29 fantasy points last week so he hasn't been bad all year...

8 yesterday :/

[dbrown]

The term Sophomore Slump is a real term for a reason. Cam may stink up the entire season, but I'm more than happy that he is the QB for the team that I root for. Did he have a horrible game tonight? Absolutely! But when the opposing kicker only punts the ball 2 times, you can't blame the entire loss on Cam.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[bigmikeatl88]

It was the Super Bowl champs! But the play calling did suck. They're running the single wing down 20...lol.

[Qwasian]

it's not cam, it's the team........ cam threw for over 50% completions 242 yards.......

303 yards his first game, 253 his second game

he can't make the team protect, run the proper routes and play defense.......

he's doing his job and doing it very well.........

if the rest of the team stepped up he's be just as good as any QB in the league.

the team is just absolutely terrible.

[storm]

it's not cam, it's the team........ cam threw for over 50% completions 242 yards.......

303 yards his first game, 253 his second game

he can't make the team protect, run the proper routes and play defense.......

he's doing his job and doing it very well.........

if the rest of the team stepped up he's be just as good as any QB in the league.

the team is just absolutely terrible.

Did you watch any of the game? 2 of those picks were right to the defender! Not bashing Cam in anyway, but to say none of it was his fault is bogus.

[Qwasian]

Did you watch any of the game? 2 of those picks were right to the defender! Not bashing Cam in anyway, but to say none of it was his fault is bogus.

have you ever played QB?

QB's and WR have to have chemistry/timing...... so that a QB can do his drop in the pocket and unload the ball where "THE WR SHOULD BE".............

if your TE's and WR's are off timing it can make you look terrible.... I feel like he's doing an excellent job, if he had people who were protecting 100% and running routes properly with correct timing he'd be a top tier QB......

if your WR don't break properly on the routes or get to the spots they are supposed to be at, that's what causes those passes that look like they are right to a defender......

then you see cam look at the receiver like WTF were you doing............

most of the time when you have straight routes or really easy routes that they WR and TE's can pick up on and not mess up you see cam beast mode it down the field. that's why people keep saying "they are running silly basic offense during the second half of the game"...... because the line and WR by that time have already proven they aren't on the job correctly so they have to fall back and keep it simple.

that's just my opinion..... I think cam is a beast...... to me he's biggest bright spot on the whole team, it's crazy to blame him for the panthers issues.

[superynaldo]

Wait so your telling me if he does become great that people will still lose their asses??? I'm alittle confused with your statment lol cause if he does become an elite QB won't his cards rise greatly in value??

his cards are WAY overpriced already and valued due to demand... nothing more nothing less... for the amounts paid by his collectors over the last year or so, they will NEVER make the insane amounts of money back on his cards... the only guys actually making money are the SMART ones to know to SELL them while the prices were so high... once the demand is over, and the fickle collectors have moved onto the next big thing, watch his cards go down...

[Shinypsptitans]

Vince Young 2.0 - Too full of himself and it seems he is not working as hard as he should be.

[Haiku]

Cam Newton had an awesome firs half of the season last year and his second half of the season was below average for standard starting NFL QB. Please take a look at his numbers for the first 8 games of last season and last 8 games of the season,It's night and day.Maybe he set the bar too high and we expect the guy to throw over 250+ every game or run for 60+ every game as well. In the last second half of the season he failed to throw for over 180yds in 5 of 8 games.He did mange to go 4-4 so you could make the argument there.Far as his cards go they have no room to grow unless they make the playoffs or he wins a MVP. As most of you know this industry is all about hype and how much hype can he get if his not putting up the 350yds or rushing for 100yds? I know most of you who have invested in some of his cards may come in here and bash me for saying so but hey~ I maybe wrong so.. :p

[Astronix]

Didn't they beat the crap out of the Saints last week? It was a short rest week against the defending Super Bowl champs, he will get better.

[808buynsell808]

his cards are WAY overpriced already and valued due to demand... nothing more nothing less... for the amounts paid by his collectors over the last year or so, they will NEVER make the insane amounts of money back on his cards... the only guys actually making money are the SMART ones to know to SELL them while the prices were so high... once the demand is over, and the fickle collectors have moved onto the next big thing, watch his cards go down...

Yah sure bud and when they make it to the playoffs in about another year or two then watch his cards go up again, personally I don't really care about value anyway I think he has already changed the game and is an absolute beast imo he got me back into card collecting since I havent collected since 03-04 when Lebron came out. And once the "O" line can protect him better and they get more skilled WR's then you will see how good he really is, and btw every NFL QB throws picks defensive players get paid big bucks to do just that its their jobs. Also Carolinas "D" is very weak imo and I hope they get better cause they have lost alot games for the Panthers js.

[Razorsharp79]

Yah sure bud and when they make it to the playoffs in about another year or two then watch his cards go up again, personally I don't really care about value anyway I think he has already changed the game and is an absolute beast imo he got me back into card collecting since I havent collected since 03-04 when Lebron came out. And once the "O" line can protect him better and they get more skilled WR's then you will see how good he really is, and btw every NFL QB throws picks defensive players get paid big bucks to do just that its their jobs. Also Carolinas "D" is very weak imo and I hope they get better cause they have lost alot games for the Panthers js.


just getting to the playoffs doesn't help their value that much, look at Joe Flacco or Mark Sanchez. You gotta win rings and this team is A LONG WAY from that ever happening. Only reason Aaron Rodgers prices blew up was because of super bowl hype that turned into reality, even his prices are coming back down to earth. It is a fickle business speculating on cards, but I like to always sell when i have doubled or tripled my money, I will let the next guy sweat it out trying to double-triple his investment off me :D

[Mattspalace]

Not only do you need to win rings, but you need to be playing for a major market team with a big following.

bottom line here - If you're happy with your (insert player name) then great; hopefully if you paid big $$ for them, it's because you're a huge fan and wanted to ensure you had the right cards in your collection. If you paid $2000 for an NT or Exquisite RPA, thinking it would double or triple in value - sorry, but the chances of that are slim. This happens to every high-demand rookie, and is just part of the football collecting environment.

I knew this when I was snagging Bradford RPAs his rookie year, and a handful of Dalton RPAs last year (I dumped all the Daltons in the off-season). I'm a big Rams fan, and haven't had a guy to collect since Marshall Faulk and Kurt Warner, so I chased Dalton for a while and then noticed Bradford rookies were selling at great prices (because they had a horrible season) and started chasing him again.

If you're buying to flip for profit, you need to be going further down in the draft list, snagging guys who are still great players with tons of potential, but not getting nearly as much collector/flipper attention.

People buying Luck and RGIII will need to hang on to those cards until they play in and win the SB to make their money back - that will most likely mean years.

Now if you happen to pull the card from a pack yourself, that's a totally different story..

Sorry for the novel.

[chasacar86]

just getting to the playoffs doesn't help their value that much, look at Joe Flacco or Mark Sanchez. You gotta win rings and this team is A LONG WAY from that ever happening. Only reason Aaron Rodgers prices blew up was because of super bowl hype that turned into reality, even his prices are coming back down to earth. It is a fickle business speculating on cards, but I like to always sell when i have doubled or tripled my money, I will let the next guy sweat it out trying to double-triple his investment off me :D

Flaccid and Sanchez aren't exactly "future face of the NFL" material though lol

[Kodiak10]

I'm sorry, I feel for all of those guys that dumped tens of thousands into his cards, thank god i was smart and dumped every one I had!!

That's a clown statement bro.

[808buynsell808]

That's a clown statement bro.

Welcome to blowout lol there are alot of them

[studioU]

I don't remember the last QB to not have a "sophomore slump" and Cam may be following the trend. Even the greatest QB's have horrible games, see Peyton last week. I'm not comparing Cam to Peyton but one bad game doesn't = bum.

As for his card values, I think team interest and collector base are a big factor. Bradford is a Ram, low collector base, his prices drop dramatically year 2. Big Ben is a Steeler, huge collector base, he has an average year 2 and his prices rise. That's one reason hype plays such a big role in prices. Think of the teams that have the #1 pick, they are bad and their franchise is likely not a "big name" team. The Redskins name may help RG3 prices in the future and taper any huge drop off in value. Redskins collectors are rabid much like Cowboys, Steelers, Packers .etc. If he isn't seriously hurt, his values could remain high and even increase with a stellar game. A player like Cam or Bradford need to have consistently stellar games to keep up the hype because their teams aren't highly collected. JMO, but these are things I think about when it comes to collecting. I don't usually buy into hype, though I do sell accordingly, when it comes to collecting. I don't usually "hate" on a player, unless it's a hated rival (Luck sucks! LOL). I really enjoy football and I enjoy great performances.

[allday_vikes]

Doesn't surprise me at all if he flops - no I'm not saying he will after a bad game - I just wasn't all that impressed with him going into the draft last year. He surprised me way more last year then he did if he flops this year.

I'm sure I'm wrong - but I'll be bumping the old thread where I said he wasn't a Top 10 pick if he doesn't make it. Haha

You were waiting and hoping for something like this to happen so you can bump that thread eh?! Do it now cause you might not have the chance to ever again!

[Razorsharp79]

Flaccid and Sanchez aren't exactly "future face of the NFL" material though lol

Cam Newton is not the face of the NFL, last year sure he was up there, but this year it's RG3. Next year its Barkley, and on and on...until he leads his team to a super bowl he is yesterday's news.

[chasacar86]

Cam Newton is not the face of the NFL, last year sure he was up there, but this year it's RG3. Next year its Barkley, and on and on...until he leads his team to a super bowl he is yesterday's news.

No in 3 years it's going to be Cam and RG3. Write that down.

[jt16]

No in 3 years it's going to be Cam and RG3. Write that down.

Along with Ryan and Stafford.

[MI Rob]

No in 3 years it's going to be Cam and RG3. Write that down.

I know it's Friday and all, but it's still only 1pm. Time to put the bottle down man :)!

[Texas Brave13]

as soon as he has a great game once again people will be singing a different tune.

Fluke is colt mccoy, not cam newton.

[Razorsharp79]

No in 3 years it's going to be Cam and RG3. Write that down.

Nope, maybe RG3, but stats get old. And let's face it, Cam Newton had 14 rushing TDs last year, as he ages those legs won't carry him but so far. And he is very inaccurate with his passes. Until they can garner super bowl hype neither will amount to squat for the initial investment and I do not see it happening within 5 years.

Maybe I am wrong, but no way I am buying in on Luck, RG3 or Newton. There is nothing to be made right now. And there are better prospects in better markets with an actual chance of winning a SB long before any of those guys :)!

[chasacar86]

Nope, maybe RG3, but stats get old. And let's face it, Cam Newton had 14 rushing TDs last year, as he ages those legs won't carry him but so far. And he is very inaccurate with his passes. Until they can garner super bowl hype neither will amount to squat for the initial investment and I do not see it happening within 5 years.

Maybe I am wrong, but no way I am buying in on Luck, RG3 or Newton. There is nothing to be made right now. And there are better prospects in better markets with an actual chance of winning a SB long before any of those guys :)!

As the NFL continues to grow, dynamic QBs will be the faces of the league. They will have way more appeal if/when their teams are successful compared to a boring guy like Joe Flacco or a Mark Sanchez who never has sexy stats. I'm not talking about buying Luck, RG3 or Newton at all when I say this.

[chasacar86]

I know it's Friday and all, but it's still only 1pm. Time to put the bottle down man :)!

Can't stop won't stop!! Is it 5 yet? ;)

Along with Ryan and Stafford.

They could be better QBs...I'm just saying if I'm a casual fan interested in the NFL, I'm not going to be drawn to a chubby faced Stafford (even though he'll be an elite QB)...I'm thinking more along the lines of still seeing Vick Falcons jerseys in 2012. Wasn't the greatest QB but he had star power. Plus, NFL is increasing in popularity to the point that if it goes international, I think people would be drawn to guys like Cam and RG3 more. That's all. In no way am I saying they will be the two best quarterbacks in the league, at all.

[superynaldo]

Yah sure bud and when they make it to the playoffs in about another year or two then watch his cards go up again, personally I don't really care about value anyway I think he has already changed the game and is an absolute beast imo he got me back into card collecting since I havent collected since 03-04 when Lebron came out. And once the "O" line can protect him better and they get more skilled WR's then you will see how good he really is, and btw every NFL QB throws picks defensive players get paid big bucks to do just that its their jobs. Also Carolinas "D" is very weak imo and I hope they get better cause they have lost alot games for the Panthers js.

I respect you are a Panthers fan, and are sticking true to your players/team... BUT you have to realize almost ALL "hot" players prices come down eventually.. Cam's cards will NOT hold the inflated values they have already blown up to... NO new players will... believe what you want about if he does this and if he does that, all hypothetical, and not realistic... look at
ALL the younger QB's cards and prices from last few years... you will see the majority have gone down... they are not "hot" anymore... hell, some of them don't even play in the NFL anymore... as Heidi Klum would say "one day you are in, and the next day you are OUT..."

[BOOMER7]

Stop the madness
PEYTON MANNING AND TROY AIKMAN both had brutal starts to careers. CAM had a bad game against one of the best pass defenses in the league.
..... to some of the crazy negative CAM comments posted in this thread, here is the response:D:D:D

- Ultimate (Academic Decathlon) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0)

[Razorsharp79]

As the NFL continues to grow, dynamic QBs will be the faces of the league. They will have way more appeal if/when their teams are successful compared to a boring guy like Joe Flacco or a Mark Sanchez who never has sexy stats. I'm not talking about buying Luck, RG3 or Newton at all when I say this.

You are listening to Aaron to much. lol

What exactly is sexy stats? RG3 is more appealing than Joe Flacco based on what? Because he can run faster? Both can put up numbers, and I do not remember Tom Brady putting up sexy stats, he just does his thing same as Flacco or Sanchez. Two QBs put up 400 yards it is 400 yards...:p

[Bigbadbloom]

Vince Young 2.0 - Too full of himself and it seems he is not working as hard as he should be.

I second this statement, he has not gotten smarter since college and everyone else in the NFL is just as fast as he is, this has been obvious all 3 weeks this season.

I love how all the people that invested into Cam are all pissed off on this thread lol. I suppose no one remembers the Sam Bradford fiasco......
The fact of the matter is he probably maxed out last year and will never be the face of the NFL.

[Razorsharp79]

I second this statement, he has not gotten smarter since college and everyone else in the NFL is just as fast as he is, this has been obvious all 3 weeks this season.

I love how all the people that invested into Cam are all pissed off on this thread lol. I suppose no one remember the Sam Bradford fiasco......
The fact of the matter is he probably maxed out last year and will never be the face of the NFL.

Totally agree, cam train is gone...choo choo, get off while you still can...its going of the rail...

[chasacar86]

You are listening to Aaron to much. lol

What exactly is sexy stats? RG3 is more appealing than Joe Flacco based on what? Because he can run faster? Both can put up numbers, and I do not remember Tom Brady putting up sexy stats, he just does his thing same as Flacco or Sanchez. Two QBs put up 400 yards it is 400 yards...:p

I mean I kinda agree with what he says haha.

Mark Sanchez won't be a 5,000 yds/30 TD guy. Stats increase appeal whether it be from fantasy (since most people now play it) or just getting more media recognition because of number-based accomplishments. RG3 is more appealing because:

- had tons of draft hype where a team gave up a ton for him and is now under a microscope
- handles himself very well with the media and is witty
- 4.3 speed
- huge arm
- plays in huge market
- RG3...just the fact that he has a sweet nickname - I know this is silly but it helps
- I haven't seen Flaccid in one Subway or Gatorade commercial yet

Not sure if I hit everything but you know what I mean...the media wants RG3...I don't wanna watch Joe Flacco go up to the podium, not look reporters in the eye and talk in his boring tone lol. But I still think he's a pretty good QB and will win a SB, so not bashing Flaccid as a player.

Oh and cmon now TB 5200+ and 39 TDs? You wouldn't consider those sexy stats lol?

[ebacardi2]

Nope, maybe RG3, but stats get old. And let's face it, Cam Newton had 14 rushing TDs last year, as he ages those legs won't carry him but so far. And he is very inaccurate with his passes. Until they can garner super bowl hype neither will amount to squat for the initial investment and I do not see it happening within 5 years.

Maybe I am wrong, but no way I am buying in on Luck, RG3 or Newton. There is nothing to be made right now. And there are better prospects in better markets with an actual chance of winning a SB long before any of those guys :)!


Guess you are not doing it right, I buy and sell Luck and RG3 all day and make 20-30% easy. You have to know the right way to do it and have a few weeks of patience.

[pmannings#1fan]

Cam set the bar high last season. There was no way he was going to duplicate his performance coming into this season.

I won't say fluke yet.

Had to show something last year for that big contract lol.

OP-Yea I'd never dump money on any unproven player that has less than 3 professional (good) years under their belts.

[Razorsharp79]

Guess you are not doing it right, I buy and sell Luck and RG3 all day and make 20-30% easy. You have to know the right way to do it and have a few weeks of patience.

I can make 50-60% without as much risk, sometimes less sometimes more. There is money to be made on them during their rookie year you are correct. Holding them after their rookie year is the real gamble.

[addicted36]

Your kidding right? Cam sucks he didn't beat the superbowl champions? Good grief

[Razorsharp79]

I mean I kinda agree with what he says haha.

Mark Sanchez won't be a 5,000 yds/30 TD guy. Stats increase appeal whether it be from fantasy (since most people now play it) or just getting more media recognition because of number-based accomplishments. RG3 is more appealing because:

- had tons of draft hype where a team gave up a ton for him and is now under a microscope
- handles himself very well with the media and is witty
- 4.3 speed
- huge arm
- plays in huge market
- RG3...just the fact that he has a sweet nickname - I know this is silly but it helps
- I haven't seen Flaccid in one Subway or Gatorade commercial yet

Not sure if I hit everything but you know what I mean...the media wants RG3...I don't wanna watch Joe Flacco go up to the podium, not look reporters in the eye and talk in his boring tone lol. But I still think he's a pretty good QB and will win a SB, so not bashing Flaccid as a player.

Oh and cmon now TB 5200+ and 39 TDs? You wouldn't consider those sexy stats lol?

Until Rg3 wins a ring or two he will not be the face of the NFL. He is exciting to watch, and the hot thing right now, and a smart guy as well, way smarter than cam. His value is high as it ever will be though. The one thing that makes value jump is hype which RG3 has right now, and rings which he will not have for years to come if ever, who know/ So after the hype dies, what is left?

[chasacar86]

Until Rg3 wins a ring or two he will not be the face of the NFL. He is exciting to watch, and the hot thing right now, and a smart guy as well, way smarter than cam. His value is high as it ever will be though. The one thing that makes value jump is hype which RG3 has right now, and rings which he will not have for years to come if ever, who know/ So after the hype dies, what is left?

I just don't think winning a SB really has to do with what I'm saying...I see where you're coming from, but if he puts up great numbers and the skins are a 9-7, 10-6 team on a yearly basis I see no reason why he wouldn't be. (I know it's very tough to get that record in the toughest division in the league.)

Just something to speculate on...we will only know when that time arrives in a few years...but in no way do I think Matt Barkley would supplant someone like RG3 or Cam in terms of popularity among the NFL's fanbase.

And u know I'm on board with u in terms of whether or not I'd buy Cam or RG3 right now...maybe Cam eventually but I only have his NT bc I got really, really good value on it and I'm not buying RG3 for a while. I don't have a biased opinion.

[pmannings#1fan]

Your kidding right? Cam sucks he didn't beat the superbowl champions? Good grief

With his caliber you expect him & the Panthers not to be blown out either!

[808buynsell808]

I respect you are a Panthers fan, and are sticking true to your players/team... BUT you have to realize almost ALL "hot" players prices come down eventually.. Cam's cards will NOT hold the inflated values they have already blown up to... NO new players will... believe what you want about if he does this and if he does that, all hypothetical, and not realistic... look at
ALL the younger QB's cards and prices from last few years... you will see the majority have gone down... they are not "hot" anymore... hell, some of them don't even play in the NFL anymore... as Heidi Klum would say "one day you are in, and the next day you are OUT..."

I second this statement, he has not gotten smarter since college and everyone else in the NFL is just as fast as he is, this has been obvious all 3 weeks this season.

I love how all the people that invested into Cam are all pissed off on this thread lol. I suppose no one remembers the Sam Bradford fiasco......
The fact of the matter is he probably maxed out last year and will never be the face of the NFL.

Ok first of all I am a Patriots fan and a Cam fan, and second I buy Cam cards cause I like them no investment here lol thats what I have a job for and also I "invest" in something called the stock market where you can make "real" money js.

[Bigbadbloom]

I can give you three reasons the skins won't finish 10-6 on a yearly basis. THE GIANTS, THE COWBOYS, and THE EAGLES!

[chasacar86]

I can give you three reasons the skins won't finish 10-6 on a yearly basis. THE GIANTS, THE COWBOYS, and THE EAGLES!

Exactly lol so maybe 8-8, which prob equates to going 10-6 in the average division :D

[Bigbadbloom]

yup probably lol

[808buynsell808]

With his caliber you expect him & the Panthers not to be blown out either!

Last time I checked football is a "team" sport, not like basketball where one player can take over a game

[Cubs_rock21]

Yah sure bud and when they make it to the playoffs in about another year or two then watch his cards go up again, personally I don't really care about value anyway I think he has already changed the game and is an absolute beast imo he got me back into card collecting since I havent collected since 03-04 when Lebron came out. And once the "O" line can protect him better and they get more skilled WR's then you will see how good he really is, and btw every NFL QB throws picks defensive players get paid big bucks to do just that its their jobs. Also Carolinas "D" is very weak imo and I hope they get better cause they have lost alot games for the Panthers js.

Cam Newton's cards will go up again if they make the playoffs and he takes them far, but they will never be up to the inflated levels they once were. The reason is because other stud rookies take away cam newton cards bids. It happens every year with every sport. It's all about who's the new hot guy NOW...Not who did we all spend all our money on last year. Floods of uneducated buyers always flock to eBay and outbid each other when a hot players cards start to come out. They overspend and keep the cards or sell them at a loss.

Basically it seems a rule of thumb in players card prices seem to be as long as the player keeps out performing himself, they will keep rising. Eventually a player gets to the point where he can't out perform himself the next week. Thus one week he throws 5 TDs and his cards rise, the next week he only throws 3 Tds, his cards won't rise they will more likely flatline or slightly drop.

Even Aaron rodgers will never go back up to the enormous levels he was at when the Pack went 15-1...cards can only go up for so long eventually they reach their peak, flatline, than fall. They don't fall because of lack of interest, they fall because other new players are being collected instead.


I dont know if you know baseball or not, but Mike Trout is a great example. The dude hasn't slowed down, but his cards have dropped a lot. Not because he's doing bad but because all the uneducated buyers bid his stuff up right away when he was hot, while all the educated sellers and buyers were either banking on his cards or waiting back until the flood of people slowed thier roll. A mike trout Bowman Chrome 9.5 refractor auto was over 1,000 a month in a half ago. Now they sell around 600.

[pmannings#1fan]

Last time I checked football is a "team" sport, not like basketball where one player can take over a game

With his caliber you expect him & the Panthers not to be blown out either!

Notice the bolded part :rolleyes:

[popmaz]

Guess you are not doing it right, I buy and sell Luck and RG3 all day and make 20-30% easy. You have to know the right way to do it and have a few weeks of patience.

Yes. All it takes is time, patience and multiple ebay accounts to bid listed items up and not pay. Easy as 1,2,3.

[superynaldo]

Vince Young 2.0 - Too full of himself and it seems he is not working as hard as he should be.

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[808buynsell808]

Notice the bolded part :rolleyes:

Yes and if you know anything about football its a team sport, so you can have the best player at any one postion in the game but if the team as whole sucks well you get blown out, thats just the point I was trying to make.

[Bigbadbloom]

Guess you are not doing it right, I buy and sell Luck and RG3 all day and make 20-30% easy. You have to know the right way to do it and have a few weeks of patience.

Yes. All it takes is time, patience and multiple ebay accounts to bid listed items up and not pay. Easy as 1,2,3.

I guess you have had some experience with that goofball too?!?!?!

[pmannings#1fan]

Yes and if you know anything about football its a team sport, so you can have the best player at any one postion in the game but if the team as whole sucks well you get blown out, thats just the point I was trying to make.

Which is exactly what I said. "him & the Panthers" meaning Newton & his suck as$ team. Team & Panthers are the key words!

[808buynsell808]

Which is exactly what I said. "him & the Panthers" meaning Newton & his suck as$ team. Team & Panthers are the key words!

Then your comment is confusing?? If you know the Panthers as a whole team isnt good then how would one guy change the game against one of the best defenses in the NFL??

[pmannings#1fan]

Then your comment is confusing?? If you know the Panther as a whole team isnt good then how would one guy change the game against one of the best defenses in the NFL??

It's alright man I'll let you win. Cowboys beat the Giants in week 1. Cowboys also suck but have some good players on the team. Why couldn't the Panthers at least make it a game? Newton, Smith, Williams & Olsen among a couple other good players on their team. You mean they couldn't do ANYTHING?

[808buynsell808]

It's alright man I'll let you win. Cowboys beat the Giants in week 1. Cowboys also suck but have some good players on the team. Why couldn't the Panthers at least make it a game? Newton, Smith, Williams & Olsen among a couple other good players on their team. You mean they couldn't do ANYTHING?

Lol Im not trying to win, but yah Panthers defense looks weak I was surprised also on the final score. I thought it would be a closer higher scoring game and also lost $$$ on the over 49, but oh well you win some and lose some.

[Cubs_rock21]

Then your comment is confusing?? If you know the Panthers as a whole team isnt good then how would one guy change the game against one of the best defenses in the NFL??

Hate to say it but ONE guy can be the difference.

I.e. Colts when they lost Manning.

It's a team sport yes, but if any of the teams lose their stud quarterbacks they are pretty much #@#@#@#@ed.

[Idol]

Cam Newton will be fine. He had a bad game...So has Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Marino, Montana, Elway etc etc etc.

All this being said I'm sure anybody on this board if they pulled a Cam Newton Autograph rookie card they would be happy and be rooting for him.

Just my opinion though..I think Cam Newton is awesome!

[pmannings#1fan]

Lol Im not trying to win, but yah Panthers defense looks weak I was surprised also on the final score. I thought it would be a closer higher scoring game and also lost $$$ on the over 49, but oh well you win some and lose some.

It is hell to play on Sunday & then turn around & play again on Thursday but oh well. Hopefully Panthers will bounce back for following weeks game. Sorry bout the loss of money.

[Shinypsptitans]

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Yup saw it when it came out.......really made me think of his immaturity JUST like VY....thinks he is all that and the best

3:00 - 3:08 Yeah, I agree with that:D

[addicted36]

With his caliber you expect him & the Panthers not to be blown out either!

No lets get it straight...YOU don't think he would be blown out, as for me I actually have some realistic expectations of Cam Newton.


This season

Week 1 - Against Tampa Bay Buccaneers Score was 16 to 10
Week 2 - Against New Orleans Saints Score was 35 to 27


Last season to end the year


Week 10 - Against Tennessee Titans Score was 3 to 30
Week 11 - Against Detroit Lions Score was 35 to 49
Week 12 - Against Indianapolis Colts Score was 27 to 19
Week 13 - Against Tampa Bay Buccaneers score was 38 to 19
Week 14 - Against Atlanta Falcons Score was 23 to 31
Week 15 - Against Houston Texans Score was 28 to 13
Week 16 - Against Tampa Bay Buccaneers Score was 48 to 16
Week 17 - Against New Orleans Saints Score was 17 to 45


Carolina's points scored are bolded. Over the past 11 games the Panthers were "blown out" (lost by 2 TD's or more) in 4 of those games. That's 36% and a little over one in three games. His values didn't tank when they got blown out and I don't believe one blow out game means anything personally. Carolina is a rebuilding team

[addicted36]

Hate to say it but ONE guy can be the difference.

I.e. Colts when they lost Manning.

It's a team sport yes, but if any of the teams lose their stud quarterbacks they are pretty much #@#@#@#@ed.

The Colts didn't just lose Manning last year, they were stuck with a sucky QB in his place...look at the Patriots when Brady went down...they didn't have a sucky QB and ended that season 11-5.

[Haiku]

No lets get it straight...YOU don't think he would be blown out, as for me I actually have some realistic expectations of Cam Newton.


This season

Week 1 - Against Tampa Bay Buccaneers Score was 16 to 10
Week 2 - Against New Orleans Saints Score was 35 to 27


Last season to end the year


Week 10 - Against Tennessee Titans Score was 3 to 30
Week 11 - Against Detroit Lions Score was 35 to 49
Week 12 - Against Indianapolis Colts Score was 27 to 19
Week 13 - Against Tampa Bay Buccaneers score was 38 to 19
Week 14 - Against Atlanta Falcons Score was 23 to 31
Week 15 - Against Houston Texans Score was 28 to 13
Week 16 - Against Tampa Bay Buccaneers Score was 48 to 16
Week 17 - Against New Orleans Saints Score was 17 to 45


Carolina's points scored are bolded. Over the past 11 games the Panthers were "blown out" (lost by 2 TD's or more) in 4 of those games. That's 36% and a little over one in three games. His values didn't tank when they got blown out and I don't believe one blow out game means anything personally. Carolina is a rebuilding team

That's a good point but Have you checked Cam Newton's stats in those games? Second half of last season he was below average.
Maybe we set the bar too high since he came off like a super human being for first half of the season.