??? Kobe prizm gold scam ???!!!!!!

[spinotron]

This auction is one-day auction and is about to end. I just realized something! Looks like highest bidder also did!

2012 13 Kobe Bryant Panini Prizm Gold Refractor USA 10 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-13-KOBE-BRYANT-PANINI-PRIZM-GOLD-REFRACTOR-USA-10-/110986157905)

Who will use one-day auction for a hot card like this? Not helping exposure at all...Not like the hype is dying down in two days.

But the auction picture is exactly like the one here. Only making it smaller, but all the other charteristics of a pic is exactly the same. Very imaginative!

2012 Panini Prizm Prizmatic Gold Refractor Kobe Bryant USA 10 10 Jersey Number | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Panini-Prizm-Prizmatic-Gold-Refractor-Kobe-Bryant-USA-10-10-Jersey-Number-/330838681159)

Oh, so maybe he tried to scam someone before completed auction shows up. Ah-Huh, his feedback is particular inviting!

STAY CLEAR from this scam...

[RedSoxFan28]

Just noticed, 2 different sellers...
Nevermind

[Orangejello727]

I asked the seller for a scan of the back of the card.

[spinotron]

Not sure, but in the first listing he says it's number 3/10 and the second is 10/10.
He could be "scamming" but I wouldn't be too certain yet

If he had the card, why would he use the same exact picture. This is unmistakenable!!

[pepsiporch]

:)!If he had the card, why would he use the same exact picture. This is unmistakenable!!

:)!:)!:)!

[pepsiporch]

BAD SELLER STAY AWAY FROM RIPPED ME OFF $404.00 NEVER SHIPPED MY ITEM Member id gbpackersrcsnmore ( Feedback Score Of 393) Nov-30-12 20:07
■Reply by 11schmidty20 (Dec-06-12 14:30):
CARD WAS SHIPPED - CARD LOST - HAS TRACKING NUMBER ON MYEBAY - HE GOT MONEY BACK

2012 ANDREW LUCK TOPPS CHROME SP VARITION AUTO RK RARE (#121018179277)

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[Packerfan]

I am the seller of the Kobe #10/10 jersey number. It is worth a heck of a lot more than $800 but the card was pulled during a pack-wars competition and I sold it for the seller on consignment. The BIN was hit very soon after listing. If we had it all over, would have done a no-reserve auction. Buy got a steal.

[EricMetcalf21]

I am the seller of the Kobe #10/10 jersey number. It is worth a heck of a lot more than $800 but the card was pulled during a pack-wars competition and I sold it for the seller on consignment. The BIN was hit very soon after listing. If we had it all over, would have done a no-reserve auction. Buy got a steal.

Yeah notice the picture is just like the kobe too. Stolen, they always go small when you copy someone else's picture

99.9% whoever buys that kobe is getting robbed

[EricMetcalf21]

sry meant to copy pepsi porch comment about the luck auto

[Packerfan]

Yeah notice the picture is just like the kobe too. Stolen, they always go small when you copy someone else's picture

99.9% whoever buys that kobe is getting robbed

Exactly, and we did not even take the best picture to begin with and they STILL copy it! They buyer has the card now and is satisfied, but geez, snap your own picture.

[paul06901]

I'm really starting to wonder how many of these sales over $1000 are legit.

Shaq, Iverson, etc all going $100-300 and Kobe/LBJ going 1k + ?!


Lillard just sold $1,999.99 BIN and Kobe $1,400.00 BIN ?

I just dont know how many 'collectors' would be willing to pay these prices to keep the cards in their PCs.

Looks like the collectors of the legit sales (Shaq/AI/etc) have no problem only bidding a fair value for the card, not an insane $1k + amount!

[pepsiporch]

Lillard is a different animal since he will probably be roy and has no autos except for leaf garbage]

2k seems nuts but 1k seems in line with rubio and griffin gold ref rookies

Plus lilard has 10 golds

shaq has 40
kobe has 50
Iverson 20
Lebron 50

[paul06901]

Lillard is a different animal since he will probably be roy and has no autos except for leaf garbage]

2k seems nuts but 1k seems in line with rubio and griffin gold ref rookies

Plus lilard has 10 golds

shaq has 40
kobe has 50
Iverson 20
Lebron 50


I know what you mean.

Buttt, Lillard will have cards in future sets ... considered rookie cards.

Plus, he's no LBJ or Dwight ... it's not likely he's going to take over the game ... ever.

For $2k, there are hundreds of cards I'd prefer over the Lillard.

I know, to each their own, but $2k on a non auto'd, non game used, parallel rookie card from a low-mid tier set? That's nuts to me.

But, who knows if these deals are all getting paid for.

I'd like to see some collectors on here posting their Kobe/Lillard gold prizm buys for $1400+ that they are keeping in their PCs...

[spinotron]

I know what you mean.

Buttt, Lillard will have cards in future sets ... considered rookie cards.

Plus, he's no LBJ or Dwight ... it's not likely he's going to take over the game ... ever.

For $2k, there are hundreds of cards I'd prefer over the Lillard.

I know, to each their own, but $2k on a non auto'd, non game used, parallel rookie card from a low-mid tier set? That's nuts to me.

But, who knows if these deals are all getting paid for.

I'd like to see some collectors on here posting their Kobe/Lillard gold prizm buys for $1400+ that they are keeping in their PCs...

There is a single person BIN ing all these cards, top cards from this product. And he is not a collector per se. Collectors who will pay at any cost will get those BIN'ed cards next. It's a self-generating hype and market manipulation. I have to admit, only when you have a good product, manipulation can work and work well.

[blastman]

I think the gold Prizms are much better than anything I've seen lately. I've always loved the Finest and Chrome products when I was younger; this is the closest thing to it for basketball I've seen since I've gotten back into the hobby.

[pepsiporch]

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this guy a member here I believe he won gold usa kobe for 1176

fyi he won the 8/10 MVP

Guy seems to have a sick collection of stuff he bought wow
Should warn him

From Austrailer

[spinotron]

He is not the person I meant, as this buyer you referred to is a step slower and pays everything at top dollar (compared to yesterday's price). The person I meant basically secured several of the really top cards from this product dirty cheap and will cash off big time!

[pepsiporch]

There is a single person BIN ing all these cards, top cards from this product. And he is not a collector per se. Collectors who will pay at any cost will get those BIN'ed cards next. It's a self-generating hype and market manipulation. I have to admit, only when you have a good product, manipulation can work and work well.

This is very rare in this hobby . I am sorry for posting buyers name I will delete and contact

Happy Holidays

[blastman]

so someone is buying up everything to hoard and sell stupid high later? fantastic. :mad:

[spinotron]

This is very rare that this happens and collectors should choose not to buy it then .

Happy Holidays

Well, this happens when chase cards are printed rarely and initial wave of BINs are moderate. It's an easy money-making opportunity actually. A 'smart' person who senses the potential before everyone and has the time to refresh listing page and BINs before everyone else sees it will 'deserve' the money in the bank.

Some big time collectors will collect at any cost and have the $$$$ to get the cards instead of 'missing out' this product.

I don't blame any of above two types of persons. This is what the hobby currently is.

You have a happy holiday as well!

[vinsanity15]

The person who had the gold kobe base /10 on bids took it off, and I messages him saying what he was looking for and he said he had an offer of 1800 and was debating it ... Crazy

[RedSoxFan28]

If he had the card, why would he use the same exact picture. This is unmistakenable!!

That's why after a minute or so I edited my OP and said Never mind realized it was two different sellers.

I thought it was the same seller selling two of the same card and didn't bother to take two separate scans so they just used one scan for both cards.

[Orangejello727]

There is a single person BIN ing all these cards, top cards from this product. And he is not a collector per se. Collectors who will pay at any cost will get those BIN'ed cards next. It's a self-generating hype and market manipulation. I have to admit, only when you have a good product, manipulation can work and work well.

Funny you say this to paul. Paul is the flipper on ebay. I just find it comical that he is thwarting about prices of golds yet he bought the Rose gold for $400 and tried to flip it for $2000.

Paul, while I have no issues with you, you really do cross the line on the double standard to justify what you do.

You first complain about the product saying there is no money to be made. Then you go and flip prizm cards trying to make bank.

You then talk about how these crazy prices must be fake yet you are one of the guys listing a gold rose for $2000.

I dont get it.

[thepinoymamba]

This is funny...
Would there be PayPal protection for this?
Plus this are the hottest right now and will continue on until all the gold #$ are collected by true collectors. The prices is unbelievable on $100 box. What a ratio of earnings returns once you hit gold.

[rauchand]

But it depends on the gold you hit. I've done like 3 cases worth, hit 8 golds and the best one was Shaq, so you still need to get lucky

This is funny...
Would there be PayPal protection for this?
Plus this are the hottest right now and will continue on until all the gold #$ are collected by true collectors. The prices is unbelievable on $100 box. What a ratio of earnings returns once you hit gold.

[hairyangryfella]

This is funny...
Would there be PayPal protection for this?
Plus this are the hottest right now and will continue on until all the gold #$ are collected by true collectors. The prices is unbelievable on $100 box. What a ratio of earnings returns once you hit gold.

Yeah totally.... I'd love to buy a case for $_____ and pull a Tony Parker gold that I could sell for $120.... :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[thepinoymamba]

Hey man. You make money that's good. But if you loose then its on you. Never blame the manufacturer. Alot are more collectors than flippers...so good luck to your business. Enjoy the prizm.
Salute
Peace
Lol!

[hairyangryfella]

Hey man. You make money that's good. But if you loose then its on you. Never blame the manufacturer. Alot are more collectors than flippers...so good luck to your business. Enjoy the prizm.
Salute
Peace
Lol!

WTF?
I'm not a buyer or a flipper or anything. I don't buy Panini and I don't buy UD with college uniforms. Your response made no sense, and you completely avoided my rather valid point in regards to YOUR post. You're so blindly in love with Panini it's actually very sad.

[spinotron]

Funny you say this to paul. Paul is the flipper on ebay. I just find it comical that he is thwarting about prices of golds yet he bought the Rose gold for $400 and tried to flip it for $2000.

Paul, while I have no issues with you, you really do cross the line on the double standard to justify what you do.

You first complain about the product saying there is no money to be made. Then you go and flip prizm cards trying to make bank.

You then talk about how these crazy prices must be fake yet you are one of the guys listing a gold rose for $2000.

I dont get it.

Not Paul. Rose 1/10 MVP is not a chase card in this product, at least for now.

Hope collectors can get their goals met at fair prices.

[paul06901]

Funny you say this to paul. Paul is the flipper on ebay. I just find it comical that he is thwarting about prices of golds yet he bought the Rose gold for $400 and tried to flip it for $2000.

Paul, while I have no issues with you, you really do cross the line on the double standard to justify what you do.

You first complain about the product saying there is no money to be made. Then you go and flip prizm cards trying to make bank.

You then talk about how these crazy prices must be fake yet you are one of the guys listing a gold rose for $2000.

I dont get it.



You don't get it because that's not true.

My complaints were on the product from a COLLECTOR's standpoint.

Someone collecting to keep the cards in their collection. I don't think $120 is a fair price on the product given the value per-box.

I think it's FINE to have a product like this, but I think Panini is consistently producing products at $100 ++ MAPP, and it's hurting the average collector. It doesn't hurt someone like Alex who can drop $10k on cases, but it hurts the average, every-day collector who has a $100/week or $200/month budget to spend on cards for their collection.

That's a totally different mindset then what I do. I didn't buy any wax, to sell or flip. I think it's overpriced in wax form. Considering there are SO many cards in the set, and only the top 10 chase cards will get the box price back ... I don't think it's worth the gamble.



I'm just saying that if you, OJ, say that for collector's it's a great deal, I don't agree it is. Not all collectors have a high budget like some of the people on here. I think at $60-80 it's a good deal for collectors to buy.

My flip on the Rose was something I do, and I'd do over and over. Just like 90% of the people on here.

I like Panini as a company, and I do enjoy most of their products. But I think as the main company in the game, they don't put out enough lower-end products (at least recently) that regular collectors can afford. They're focused on putting out products that the high-end case breakers (like many of these new guys here on Blowout in the Box Breaks section) will foam at the mouth to open and pad Panini's pockets.

[pepsiporch]

2012 13 Prizm Kobe Bryant Gold 06 10 RARE Refractor PMG Lakers | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-13-Prizm-KOBE-BRYANT-GOLD-06-10-RARE-Refractor-PMG-LAKERS-/110986472842?pt=US_Basketball&hash=item19d74f2d8a)

I can count more then 10 1k cards already .

This product has 100 rookies in it and who knows how many more rookies in the future do good

[thekiddfan]

agreed.

to me, the most important thing is, the base refractors really look fantastic in hand

and somehow, panini really improved by leaps and bounds on the photography, its almost like topps produced this set.

But as always, the colation really SUCKS BIG TIME...