Knicks nets

[bdoody42]

Two bad calls against the Nets. Smith sets an illegal screen when Wallace came crashing in after the FT. Smith was still moving. Kidd's three he kicks his right leg out is either offensive or no call. iIf it is a no call then it woudnt matter.Nets also let this game slip away when they didn't bury the Knicks early on.

[hotbox]

Can't blame those calls, it was a great game. The Nets can't get Brook Lopez back soon enough, even though Blatche is playing well.

[Gambit]

Deron Williams chokes again...

[bdoody42]

Can't blame those calls, it was a great game. The Nets can't get Brook Lopez back soon enough, even though Blatche is playing well.

Like I said Nets let the Knicks hang in it.... But those calls didn't happen at a good time.

[PackAttack419]

thanks for starting this thread. i dont have any problems with the officiating, but WOOWOWOWWO THAT WAS AN AWESOME GAME TO WATCH!!

like i've been saying, MELO FOR MVP!

as far as the OP is concerned, it didnt matter to me that JR smith was moving. it wasnt supposed to be a screen. knicks had just controlled the rebound off a missed free throw AND in the back court. it should have been an offensive foul on wallace if anything; he just rammed into smith and knocked him over. you cant do that in basketball, no matter what the commentators say

[knicks_please]

Wow...great win and battle back by the Knicks. Nets are a tough team. They are a bad matchup for the Knicks as they are a good rebounding team and guard the 3 well. I think if they can find enough offense having brook out against the Knicks might help them, because we all know he's not a great rebounder. Evans kills them.

But melo brought it tonight. He wouldn't let them lose. And then who else but Jason kidd puts in the game winner. Might have kicked the leg a little but missed the ft so whatever. Nets had their chances to bury the Knicks and didn't.

But man nets are a tough team. Came out hot tonight...but couldn't put em away. Good win for the bockers. 11 over 500 is a bit surreal right now...keep it going!!

[murrke03]

that was a good game.

once again refs making impact on games they shouldn't. smh....

carmelos stink on the usa team i think helped him prepare for this season. he looks good.

[wheeler281]

Two bad calls against the Nets. Smith sets an illegal screen when Wallace came crashing in after the FT. Smith was still moving. Kidd's three he kicks his right leg out is either offensive or no call. iIf it is a no call then it woudnt matter.Nets also let this game slip away when they didn't bury the Knicks early on.

Wallace was wreck-less there and should have been called for a foul. Were your Nets glasses on? :devil: Fact is Joe Johnson's mega contract is not paying off.

[hotbox]

Kris Humphries got only 8 minutes of play, the least of any Net who played tonight. Jeez...

[yankeesfan24]

Brook Lopez = MVP?

The Nets are so much better with him on the floor. 5 game losing streak without him, and I would put money on it that the game would have been different had he been out there. Regardless, a solid win for the Knicks.

[bdoody42]

My point was there that is no way both those fouls should no against the Knicks.

To me it looked like smith was bracing for contact. He put his hands right in front of his body to assume a pick position. I do agree it s not a normal place for that to occur.

[hotbox]

Wallace was wreck-less there and should have been called for a foul. Were your Nets glasses on? :devil: Fact is Joe Johnson's mega contract is not paying off.

And you think Prokhorov cares about money? ;)

[jbmets95]

great game enough said
melo for mvp
years ago he wouldnt make those passes to kidd and play defense
if this was 2 years ago he would be pissed and be mad that he didnt get the ball last possesion

questionable calls both ways but great game
cant wait next wednesday at msg

[GatorBoyInTN]

It never should have came down to the final minute of the game. You let Melo hang around and Melo will do what Melo does. Kidd is a veteran that knows how to play the game, he has been doing it for too long now.

[wheeler281]

And you think Prokhorov cares about money? ;)

oh God not at all but now he is tied into it.

[murrke03]

Wallace was wreck-less there and should have been called for a foul. Were your Nets glasses on? :devil: Fact is Joe Johnson's mega contract is not paying off.

you are joking right? he was running for a steal. jr smith made a moving screen...

it was actually pretty clear.

[knicks_please]

It never should have came down to the final minute of the game. You let Melo hang around and Melo will do what Melo does. Kidd is a veteran that knows how to play the game, he has been doing it for too long now.

Exactly...questionable calls are the goat although they were up by 20 or so at one point? There were questionable calls the whole game on both sides.

[wheeler281]

you are joking right? he was running for a steal. jr smith made a moving screen...

it was actually pretty clear.

Um No, No it wasn't. If you run up a players back it is not that clear

[hotbox]

Exactly...questionable calls are the goat although they were up by 20 or so at one point? There were questionable calls the whole game on both sides.

Only by 17, don't remind me :(
But in basketball, no big lead is safe

[GatorBoyInTN]

Exactly...questionable calls are the goat although they were up by 20 or so at one point? There were questionable calls the whole game on both sides.

I mean the Nets should have cruised to a 20 pt win with the way things looked at one point. Someone needed to step up and attempt to stop Melo. If you allow Melo open jump shots, he is going to make them and make a lead go bye bye real quick.

[murrke03]

Um No, No it wasn't. If you run up a players back it is not that clear

if you run up a players back??? what does that mean?

did you watch the game? haha

[murrke03]

Exactly...questionable calls are the goat although they were up by 20 or so at one point? There were questionable calls the whole game on both sides.

but how many in the last minute for the knicks? :p

[bdoody42]

It never should have came down to the final minute of the game. You let Melo hang around and Melo will do what Melo does. Kidd is a veteran that knows how to play the game, he has been doing it for too long now.

Melo was amazing but I don't think we should give too much credit for Kidd....it was not a foul on the nets. If anything that's a no call or offensive foul.... I can understand the refs didn't want to "impact" the game.

[hotbox]

I'm surprised the Knicks didn't get Novak more involved. But when Melo's on fire, I guess there's no reason to.

[knicks_please]

Only by 17, don't remind me :(
But in basketball, no big lead is safe

Felt like 40 lol...but you're right and it was early...but it wasn't looking good!

Nets got a good team tho man. Got some stuff to figure out and obviously Johnson needs to figure out his role, but basketball is back in NY and that's a great thing.

[jbmets95]

he still made the contested three with under a minute in a tie game...

Melo was amazing but I don't think we should give too much credit for Kidd....it was not a foul on the nets. If anything that's a no call or offensive foul.... I can understand the refs didn't want to "impact" the game.

[jbmets95]

and played spectacular defense all game

[GatorBoyInTN]

Melo was amazing but I don't think we should give too much credit for Kidd....it was not a foul on the nets. If anything that's a no call or offensive foul.... I can understand the refs didn't want to "impact" the game.

Guy hits the gamewinning shot but doesn't deserve much credit? That's an interesting perspective.

[wheeler281]

if you run up a players back??? what does that mean?

did you watch the game? haha

maybe we are talking about 2 different plays "haha"?

I am talking when they both went crashing down to the floor and both got hurt. JR smith had his back to Wallace when Wallace ran right over him out of control

[jbmets95]

ya ur right he was screening the air
its a loose ball on their own backcourt
he should go ball football and be a linebacker
if jr didnt move r u saying he still wouldnt run right thru him?
you are joking right? he was running for a steal. jr smith made a moving screen...

it was actually pretty clear.

[hotbox]

Felt like 40 lol...but you're right and it was early...but it wasn't looking good!

Nets got a good team tho man. Got some stuff to figure out and obviously Johnson needs to figure out his role, but basketball is back in NY and that's a great thing.

I just hate watching them lose. Especially when you have such high hopes for them after the past few years they had in Jersey lol.
I'm not gonna lie, seeing the Lakers lose is making me feel a little better for some reason :)!

[knicks_please]

but how many in the last minute for the knicks? :p

Well that Wallace play was just reckless, he caused the contact but I could see how you could say that's an offensive. But then melo got called for a foul on a box out when deron missed a ft. No one has brought that up. And the Kidd one was whatever, he missed the ft so does it matter? When you're up 17 (thanks hot box) it shouldn't come down to 1 or 2 calls at the end.

[jbmets95]

u watched the same olympics as me??
im pretty sure he played amazing
i guess through your eyes he stunk
that was a good game.

once again refs making impact on games they shouldn't. smh....

carmelos stink on the usa team i think helped him prepare for this season. he looks good.

[hotbox]

Well that Wallace play was just reckless, he caused the contact but I could see how you could say that's an offensive. But then melo got called for a foul on a box out when deron missed a ft. No one has brought that up. And the Kidd one was whatever, he missed the ft so does it matter? When you're up 17 (thanks hot box) it shouldn't come down to 1 or 2 calls at the end.


This is what I don't get. Everybody's saying that it should've been a no call or an offensive foul. I think the refs would've went with no call instead of offensive, so it was really no harm no foul. He missed it, it's as if he never even shot the free throw.

I can't believe I agree with a Knicks fan on so many things :)!
I've never hated the Knicks.

[knicks_please]

I just hate watching them lose. Especially when you have such high hopes for them after the past few years they had in Jersey lol.
I'm not gonna lie, seeing the Lakers lose is making me feel a little better for some reason :)!

I feel you man. I'm in the same boat when the Knicks lose...like last time in bk!!

The lakers losing we can both take comfort in :) it's a fun time, especially better with dantoni at the helm...

[jbmets95]

i thought it wasnt dirty or smart but ehhh
not the type of play i like
definitley would have gone with a no call
but what can i say sheed is always right
ball don't lie!

[jbmets95]

Rasheed Wallace Ejected VS Suns. Ball Don't Lie!!! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZPMt_WdY-w)

[knicks_please]

This is what I don't get. Everybody's saying that it should've been a no call or an offensive foul. I think the refs would've went with no call instead of offensive, so it was really no harm no foul. He missed it, it's as if he never even shot the free throw.

I can't believe I agree with a Knicks fan on so many things :)!
I've never hated the Knicks.

Haha well I mean we have a common suffrage (see ny mets :()

But ain't nothin wrong with a nice respectful rivalry. Too much drama on these boards. Not everything has to be an argument. Should really have been a no call on the Kidd 3 but the ball didn't lie, and they had a chance to tie twice so it is what it is...

[murrke03]

u watched the same olympics as me??
im pretty sure he played amazing
i guess through your eyes he stunk

I meant stint. Haha

[murrke03]

And did no one actually see the Wallace smith collision?

Jr clearly wasn't backwards and clearly committed a moving screen.

[knicks_please]

And did no one actually see the Wallace smith collision?

Jr clearly wasn't backwards and clearly committed a moving screen.

wallace went in like a freight train...smith braced...could have gone either way. wallace initiated the contact hard on that one. but one call never decides a game. like i said a few times, nets had them down and couldn't put them away. melo had 45. those are the things that decide a game.

[PackAttack419]

I'm surprised the Knicks didn't get Novak more involved. But when Melo's on fire, I guess there's no reason to.

agreed here. novak is a great asset that's being underused IMO

also, is anyone else super impressed at melo's shooting numbers against the nets in both the loss & the win? i mean the guy puts up 45 tonight and shot like 60% from the field, missed only one free throw and went 5-7 from 3pt. that's insane, considering the entire nets team, building, owner, coach, players, fans, janitors all know that melo will take the most shots. 1-on-5. MVP :flex:

[tristan20]

agreed here. novak is a great asset that's being underused IMO

also, is anyone else super impressed at melo's shooting numbers against the nets in both the loss & the win? i mean the guy puts up 45 tonight and shot like 60% from the field, missed only one free throw and went 5-7 from 3pt. that's insane, considering the entire nets team, building, owner, coach, players, fans, janitors all know that melo will take the most shots. 1-on-5. MVP :flex:


Novak's lack of defense keeps him on the bench

[PackAttack419]

wallace went in like a freight train...smith braced...could have gone either way. wallace initiated the contact hard on that one. but one call never decides a game. like i said a few times, nets had them down and couldn't put them away. melo had 45. those are the things that decide a game.

this is what i was sayin before. it's not a matter of moving screen on JR smith. it's the fact that gerald wallace just crashed (pun intended) into smith. you simply cannot do that in basketball. replays showed that wallace just like ran in straight into him and knocked him over. it wasnt a soft collision. plus it was in the backcourt after a missed FT. very odd.

[NJNets24]

wallace went in like a freight train...smith braced...could have gone either way. wallace initiated the contact hard on that one. but one call never decides a game. like i said a few times, nets had them down and couldn't put them away. melo had 45. those are the things that decide a game.

I've agree with everything you said about this game. And this call had absolutely no impact on the ending of the game. However, if you really can't say that JR Smith set a moving screen, then you are insane. If you watch the replay, JR Smith is not even looking at Wallace, sees him go for the steal, and moves his body like he was taking a charge. Let me repeat first, and say that this had no bearing on the ending of the game. I'm merely talking about the play, and JR Smith fouled Gerald Wallace, and if you didn't see that I don't understand what you were looking at because that is what happened.


Now to the game, how ironic is it that it was Kidd who hit the big shot? This rivarly heated up after 2 games! 2!!!! This is going to be an awesome next couple of years.

[knicks_please]

agreed here. novak is a great asset that's being underused IMO

also, is anyone else super impressed at melo's shooting numbers against the nets in both the loss & the win? i mean the guy puts up 45 tonight and shot like 60% from the field, missed only one free throw and went 5-7 from 3pt. that's insane, considering the entire nets team, building, owner, coach, players, fans, janitors all know that melo will take the most shots. 1-on-5. MVP :flex:

yeah i mean novak draws eyes even if he's not getting looks, its because he's taking a defender off the floor basically. you can't leave him. put these shooters on the floor with melo and its almost impossible to stop him - see 45 points. thats why they put him at the 5 at points, just space the floor as much as possible so they really can't double melo.

[bdoody42]

Well that Wallace play was just reckless, he caused the contact but I could see how you could say that's an offensive. But then melo got called for a foul on a box out when deron missed a ft. No one has brought that up. And the Kidd one was whatever, he missed the ft so does it matter? When you're up 17 (thanks hot box) it shouldn't come down to 1 or 2 calls at the end.

Your right they did blow a huge lead. That's was saddening.

I don't have a horse in this race.... I am a celtics fan and both could and Knicks will get higher seed then the celtics.

I am not hating on Jason Kidd I just feel the shot shouldn't have count. It's a heck of a shot.

I didn't see JR facing the other way like others said...I only saw it once but I am pretty sure he saw Wallace coming and slid over. I didn't say antes should get both calls. I just think at least one or the other. The Melo box out foul on Wallace was odd but I think it was close..

[bdoody42]

Guy hits the gamewinning shot but doesn't deserve much credit? That's an interesting perspective.

Was a good shot and not easy... I just know that not a defensive foul. He kicked the leg out and should be a no call or offensive foul. He is an all time great and I respect him for sure.

[murrke03]

Wallace was going for the ball and towards kidd. Jr initiated the contact. Take off the homer goggles.

[knicks_please]

I've agree with everything you said about this game. And this call had absolutely no impact on the ending of the game. However, if you really can't say that JR Smith set a moving screen, then you are insane. If you watch the replay, JR Smith is not even looking at Wallace, sees him go for the steal, and moves his body like he was taking a charge. Let me repeat first, and say that this had no bearing on the ending of the game. I'm merely talking about the play, and JR Smith fouled Gerald Wallace, and if you didn't see that I don't understand what you were looking at because that is what happened.


Now to the game, how ironic is it that it was Kidd who hit the big shot? This rivarly heated up after 2 games! 2!!!! This is going to be an awesome next couple of years.

yeah man i get it, but wallace went in there recklessly and created the contact. its really not as cut and dry in my opinion as you are saying but i could see how it COULD have been called an offensive foul. either way you're right, lets put it to bed as it was not what won the game for the knicks. not even close...

man who else would it be to hit that shot! lol...kidd is cold blooded and that was definitely ironic! definitely will be an awesome few years and beyond! basketball is BACK in NYC!!

[knicks_please]

Wallace was going for the ball and towards kidd. Jr initiated the contact. Take off the homer goggles.

wallace initiated the contact. whether you want to see it as a moving screen or not is one thing. but seriously who cares, it definitely didn't decide the game. not even close.

[NJNets24]

yeah man i get it, but wallace went in there recklessly and created the contact. its really not as cut and dry in my opinion as you are saying but i could see how it COULD have been called an offensive foul. either way you're right, lets put it to bed as it was not what won the game for the knicks. not even close...

man who else would it be to hit that shot! lol...kidd is cold blooded and that was definitely ironic! definitely will be an awesome few years and beyond! basketball is BACK in NYC!!

(I tend to argue stupid little things when I know I'm right, so please don't take it personal)

See the thing is, it is as cut and dry as it is. The YES Network showed like 5 different angles (I don't know if you saw them), but it was clear. Wallace went in for the steal, Smith saw him and tried to prevent it. By doing that, he caused a collison and should've been a moving screen.

Ok now that that non-important point was discussed, jeez, I knew it had to come down to Kidd. This is awesome for not only NYC, but for the NBA in general. These games are going to be on the national stage everytime they play!

[tristan20]

That last play, they shouldn't have gone for the 3, way too much time was left. Drive it and most likely draw the foul, or score two and play the FT game

[NJNets24]

That last play, they shouldn't have gone for the 3, way too much time was left. Drive it and most likely draw the foul, or score two and play the FT game

That was a terrible final possession. Joe Johnson looked scared when he got the ball.

[murrke03]

wallace initiated the contact. whether you want to see it as a moving screen or not is one thing. but seriously who cares, it definitely didn't decide the game. not even close.

How did Wallace initiate the contact. If jr had not of lunged and made an illegal screen there would have been no contact.

Come on.

[knicks_please]

(I tend to argue stupid little things when I know I'm right, so please don't take it personal)

See the thing is, it is as cut and dry as it is. The YES Network showed like 5 different angles (I don't know if you saw them), but it was clear. Wallace went in for the steal, Smith saw him and tried to prevent it. By doing that, he caused a collison and should've been a moving screen.

Ok now that that non-important point was discussed, jeez, I knew it had to come down to Kidd. This is awesome for not only NYC, but for the NBA in general. These games are going to be on the national stage everytime they play!

i definitely see where you are coming from. wallace went in pretty hot. but whatever...it is non-important as you said.

yeah man kidd has been great all season. i really didnt appreciate how good he actually was until this year. i mean you know he's good but until you can watch him every day...man. he is extremely smart, clutch, has GREAT hands. must have some of the strongest hands in the game. and he can barely move!! its like he can teleport, he's always in the right place at the right time.

and it is great for the city. we all know NYC is truly a basketball town.

[bdoody42]

Knicks right now look like they are 2nd round bound at worse.... Probably conference finals.

[knicks_please]

Knicks right now look like they are 2nd round bound at worse.... Probably conference finals.

going to come down to the bulls IMO. they look good without rose. if rose can come back strong...i really really really hope the knicks don't draw them in the 1st round!!! the heat can go ahead and draw that match up :). although it looks like the bulls can still be a 5 or so seed...without rose...

[XARZY]

there were some bad calls towards the end but that doesnt take away from the lack of clutchness deron hd. he rushed that final attempt. my only thought was, where is the coach? why didnt he call a time out?

[NJNets24]

It's gonna be Knicks-Nets in the playoffs, guranteed.

[knicks_please]

It's gonna be Knicks-Nets in the playoffs, guranteed.

its got that feeling right now, doesnt it lol...

[NJNets24]

its got that feeling right now, doesnt it lol...

And its going to be....AWESOME!!!!

[eternal outlaw]

Nets should change their name to the Floppers. Couple guys fined already and if Deron doesn't get a warning for his flop as Felton spun away from him it would be a shock. Wallace could get fined again with some of his questionable extra movements to intice foul calls, one looked pretty close to the warning he got in the first Knicks game.

[knicks_please]

And its going to be....AWESOME!!!!

i don't know if i could handle that lol...would be INTENSE.

[knicks_please]

there were some bad calls towards the end but that doesnt take away from the lack of clutchness deron hd. he rushed that final attempt. my only thought was, where is the coach? why didnt he call a time out?

agreed. knicks not a very good foul shooting team, should have called the TO and set up a play for 2.

[PackAttack419]

i don't know if i could handle that lol...would be INTENSE.

if nets meet the knicks in the playoffs, i'd go watch at MSG!

or maybe finally check out the barclays, but i'd make sure to buy and wear a melo jersey there :devil:

man, i cannot wait!

[knicks_please]

if nets meet the knicks in the playoffs, i'd go watch at MSG!

or maybe finally check out the barclays, but i'd make sure to buy and wear a melo jersey there :devil:

man, i cannot wait!

oh ill be at MSG no matter who they're playing...will be fun but nerve-racking!

[jbmets95]

my guess is it would be 2 knicks 3 nets playing in second round
dont see how knicks nets can be a first round matchup
only possible is 4-5 and dont think celtics will get to 2 seed and some1 else will get to 3

maybe 3-6 if nets slip
idk

[knicks_please]

my guess is it would be 2 knicks 3 nets playing in second round
dont see how knicks nets can be a first round matchup
only possible is 4-5 and dont think celtics will get to 2 seed and some1 else will get to 3

maybe 3-6 if nets slip
idk

one of them will be 2 unless boston or philly really turns it on. i guess the hawks could slip in at 2 if they keep up their play. the atlantic winner should be better record wise than the central. i doubt the 2nd place in the south (hawks?) could finish with a better record than whoever wins the atlantic.

its still too early to tell. injuries, other things will happen.

[sblez]

Best regular season game I ever been too. The Knicks fans were A LOT louder than Nets fans. This is going to be a great rivalry as long as both teams are good.

THIS IS THE KNICKS CITY!!!