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bdoody42
12-12-2012, 11:21 AM
Did any see the Kobe interview? What did you guys think?

To me he came across as being very realistic. He stated in a polite manner others who are struggling or making mistakes such as Howard and Dantoni. He also took responsibility for some things he has done such as turnovers.

You could tell he was holding back and calculating his words. Very smart of him if they want to start turning this around.

Please don't come in an troll people.

Orangejello727
12-12-2012, 11:26 AM
Stop making so many threads about kobe. We get it that he is the most talked about player in the history of the NBA but damn, every day, 20 new kobe threads.

realreodeal
12-12-2012, 11:27 AM
He is a very smart player and knows what it takes to win. They have a new coach with another new system and are try to meld with new players. I think the Lakers will get it figured out. Lots of people are saying the Lakers are no good but the season is long and they will be a 4-5 seed and in the thick of things once the Playoffs start. That is my prediction.

bdoody42
12-12-2012, 11:27 AM
Stop making so many threads about kobe. We get it that he is the most talked about player in the history of the NBA but damn, every day, 20 new kobe threads.

First troll is here. It's a new story....Lakers were expected to be a super team and have a great record and they are struggling. It's like when the heat started 9-8 two years ago.... People are on wondering. If you don't want to read on it don't click. Not sure why you personally don't like me, but whatever.

Just leave if you don't want to talk about it.

bdoody42
12-12-2012, 11:30 AM
He is a very smart player and knows what it takes to win. They have a new coach with another new system and are try to meld with new players. I think the Lakers will get it figured out. Lots of people are saying the Lakers are no good but the season is long and they will be a 4-5 seed and in the thick of things once the Playoffs start. That is my prediction.

They could get a 4-5 seed but they need PG ASAP ever before Nash comes back.Dantoni needs to play Pau like a big man and not a stretch four like Marion did when he was in Phoenix. People also need to run his system because at this point it looks like Dantoni won't change his tactics based on his roster.

Also thanks for coming on and actually being productive and not like orangejello. His favoirte players struggles and now he doesn't want to talk about it.

Orangejello727
12-12-2012, 11:47 AM
They could get a 4-5 seed but they need PG ASAP ever before Nash comes back.Dantoni needs to play Pau like a big man and not a stretch four like Marion did when he was in Phoenix. People also need to run his system because at this point it looks like Dantoni won't change his tactics based on his roster.

Also thanks for coming on and actually being productive and not like orangejello. His favoirte players struggles and now he doesn't want to talk about it.

Kobe is NOT struggling. The rest of the team is.

Do me a favour and look at the following players stats this year vs the past 3 yrs.

Pau Gasol
Dwight Howard.

Let me know if their stats are in decline or should be put the blame on kobe? Do the math and youll get your answer.

bdoody42
12-12-2012, 11:56 AM
Kobe is NOT struggling. The rest of the team is.

Do me a favour and look at the following players stats this year vs the past 3 yrs.

Pau Gasol
Dwight Howard.

Let me know if their stats are in decline or should be put the blame on kobe? Do the math and youll get your answer.

Like I said I knew you defend Kobe..... He is part of this team and they are struggling obviously.

Howard is coming off a serious injury and is getting back in game shape. Kobe said Howard's stamina still isn't where it needs to be. Gasol will for sure struggle to provide in this offense. Him standing on the three point line is pointless for this team.

Kobe himself says he has struggled with turning the ball over. Is he lying? He is in the top 5 in turnovers per game...

Just stop posting because you will defend Kobe even when he himself says he is struggling. Funny how you tell the trolls to stay out and one comes running in.

bdoody42
12-12-2012, 12:01 PM
Kobe is NOT struggling. The rest of the team is.

Do me a favour and look at the following players stats this year vs the past 3 yrs.

Pau Gasol
Dwight Howard.

Let me know if their stats are in decline or should be put the blame on kobe? Do the math and youll get your answer.

Of course Howard's points will be down when is shooting less than the last two years...11 shots a game is all he gets? Teammates need to get him more involved. His rebounds are slightly down very slightly. His blocks per game are up.

Gasols numbers have dropped because of the system he now is forced to play in a system that's horrible for him. Look at the stats the two years before we're very close.... Now a new coach comes in and makes him sit 15-20 feet away of course his shooting percentage will go down.

Like you said Kobe can never do anything wrong :)

1eyed_jack
12-12-2012, 12:27 PM
Of course Howard's points will be down when is shooting less than the last two years...11 shots a game is all he gets? Teammates need to get him more involved. His rebounds are slightly down very slightly. His blocks per game are up.

Gasols numbers have dropped because of the system he now is forced to play in a system that's horrible for him. Look at the stats the two years before we're very close.... Now a new coach comes in and makes him sit 15-20 feet away of course his shooting percentage will go down.

Like you said Kobe can never do anything wrong :)


His shots are actually right at his career average per game. And just because he gets 11 shots a game doesn't mean he's not getting the ball. He also gets fouled often and his FT% is at a career low, but don't mention that!

MikeMamba
12-12-2012, 12:33 PM
Howard probably gets 15-20 shots a game actually.

When he gets fouled in the shooting motion, they don't count as shots unless he makes it.

Orangejello727
12-12-2012, 12:34 PM
So the reason why the Lakers are losing has more to do with Turnover by kobe and nothing to do with Gasol and DH12 not doing their jobs. It also has nothing to do with Nash being hurt and no PG to really distribute the ball??

Are you looking to blame kobe for 100% of the loss? Because if you read EVERY SINGLE STATEMENT YOU MAKE, ITS ALWAYS INVOLVING KOBE AS THE REASON WHY THEY ARE LOSING.

But then you try and debate it back by saying DH12 and Paus numbers are down all because they dont get enough touches? But then when you give DH12 the ball, he doesnt want to score.

Which is my main man? When they lose its kobes fault. When they win its because of DH12 and Pau Gasol? LOL

You use an excuse as to why Gasols and DH12 games are not there. But kobe hasnt lost his game. Yet you blame him for putting up strong numbers? What next? Blame it on the style of play, it doesnt fit Pau, so he gets a pass? Dont blame DH12 because he doesnt get enough touches but when he doesn, he is looking to pass the ball off instead of score?

Kobe the last 3 yrs..

PPg - 25, 27, 29
ASg - 4.7,4.6,4.8
RPG- 5.4, 5.1, 5.0

Seems pretty consistent win or lose.

DH12
PPG - 22.9, 20.6 ,18.4
ASG - 1.4, 1.9, 3.3
RPG - 14.1, 14.5, 12.1

You sure this guy is playing properly?


Pau Gasol

PPG - 18.8, 17.4, 12.5
ASG - 3.3, 3.7, 3.5
RPG - 10.2, 10.4, 8.8

You sure this is the guy you said is keeping the Lakers still in play over Kobe??

Check out the 3 guys. You tell me who brings their game every night? Who is declining. Most importantly who is breaking down at the moment as to why the lakers are losing? Sure doesnt seems like kobe is the "KEY" problem.

Infact if kobe doesnt do what he is doing, the Lake show would be blown out every game .

Do you keep putting the blame on Kobe. Because its pretty obvious the guy can lead the league in scoring and you claim him to be a ball hog and a cancer to his team. He doeesnt score and suddenly he is useless and cant score.

But when Gasol and DH12 dont perform and have been declining in numbers its all because of a Coach and a system? Really? As if the present coach had anything to do with Gasols freefall over the past 3 yrs? Or DH12s freefall over the past 3 yrs is blamed on what is happening at the moment?

MikeMamba
12-12-2012, 12:38 PM
By the way, I am happy for MWP. He really worked on his game and has been playing well and brings it every night.
Kobe and MWP are the only players who bring it every night and put it all out there.

bdoody42
12-12-2012, 12:49 PM
So the reason why the Lakers are losing has more to do with Turnover by kobe and nothing to do with Gasol and DH12 not doing their jobs. It also has nothing to do with Nash being hurt and no PG to really distribute the ball??

Are you looking to blame kobe for 100% of the loss? Because if you read EVERY SINGLE STATEMENT YOU MAKE, ITS ALWAYS INVOLVING KOBE AS THE REASON WHY THEY ARE LOSING.

But then you try and debate it back by saying DH12 and Paus numbers are down all because they dont get enough touches? But then when you give DH12 the ball, he doesnt want to score.

Which is my main man? When they lose its kobes fault. When they win its because of DH12 and Pau Gasol? LOL

You use an excuse as to why Gasols and DH12 games are not there. But kobe hasnt lost his game. Yet you blame him for putting up strong numbers? What next? Blame it on the style of play, it doesnt fit Pau, so he gets a pass? Dont blame DH12 because he doesnt get enough touches but when he doesn, he is looking to pass the ball off instead of score?

Kobe the last 3 yrs..

PPg - 25, 27, 29
ASg - 4.7,4.6,4.8
RPG- 5.4, 5.1, 5.0

Seems pretty consistent win or lose.

DH12
PPG - 22.9, 20.6 ,18.4
ASG - 1.4, 1.9, 3.3
RPG - 14.1, 14.5, 12.1

You sure this guy is playing properly?


Pau Gasol

PPG - 18.8, 17.4, 12.5
ASG - 3.3, 3.7, 3.5
RPG - 10.2, 10.4, 8.8

You sure this is the guy you said is keeping the Lakers still in play over Kobe??

Check out the 3 guys. You tell me who brings their game every night? Who is declining. Most importantly who is breaking down at the moment as to why the lakers are losing? Sure doesnt seems like kobe is the "KEY" problem.

Infact if kobe doesnt do what he is doing, the Lake show would be blown out every game .

Do you keep putting the blame on Kobe. Because its pretty obvious the guy can lead the league in scoring and you claim him to be a ball hog and a cancer to his team. He doeesnt score and suddenly he is useless and cant score.

But when Gasol and DH12 dont perform and have been declining in numbers its all because of a Coach and a system? Really? As if the present coach had anything to do with Gasols freefall over the past 3 yrs? Or DH12s freefall over the past 3 yrs is blamed on what is happening at the moment?

Congrats you try to turn around my words... I said every player shares some blame. Read!

Gasol didn't drop really drop from the first year you posted to the second. He scored less but rebounded and passed better.
This year his numbers are way down.... Watch how he plays... He stands 15-23 feet away half the game... What would happen if you put any player in a position to fail? I am sure they would suffer.

Obviously you fail to read my post too wh Howard's numbers are down. He is coming off a injury where he missed many months and came back early than was projected. He gets less shots a game so in turn he gets less points.

The whole team is too blame! Every player and for sure the coach.....this is a team sport right? He is the leader for a team that fails to bring consistent effort and doesn't play with much discipline. You would agree he is the leader right?
Just like any superstar when they do great the credit comes with it and when they struggle a portion of the blame comes down on there shoulders.

Your bias. Like I said please don't comment. The first post asks for no trolls.

bdoody42
12-12-2012, 12:51 PM
By the way, I am happy for MWP. He really worked on his game and has been playing well and brings it every night.
Kobe and MWP are the only players who bring it every night and put it all out there.

Hey Mike... What's your opinion on why the the Lkers are struggling... Your a fan of them I am pretty sure. Right? Do you believe all the problems are with Howard and Gasol? Is Kobe blame free? I only ask you because you seem to be the most reasonable laker fans.

bdoody42
12-12-2012, 12:53 PM
His shots are actually right at his career average per game. And just because he gets 11 shots a game doesn't mean he's not getting the ball. He also gets fouled often and his FT% is at a career low, but don't mention that!

Orangejello just asked about the last three years... And based on the two previous seasons he gets less looks. The numbers don't lie....

People act like I said Kobe is the only person I said deserves blame.

The whole team deserves blame from the players to the coaches. Can we free there?

bdoody42
12-12-2012, 12:55 PM
Orangejello just asked about the last three years... And based on the two previous seasons he gets less looks. The numbers don't lie....

People act like I said Kobe is the only person I said deserves blame.

The whole team deserves blame from the players to the coaches. Can we free there?

Agree not free excuse me.

MikeMamba
12-12-2012, 01:10 PM
Hey Mike... What's your opinion on why the the Lkers are struggling... Your a fan of them I am pretty sure. Right? Do you believe all the problems are with Howard and Gasol? Is Kobe blame free? I only ask you because you seem to be the most reasonable laker fans.

You can't blame 1 player in particular or a couple...
I wouldn't blame Howard, but his FT's have been a liability for the team, Gasol I wouldn't blame because he has been the only one that had to really adjust to all the changes the Lakers have done the past two seasons, but at the same time he is a star and he has to adjust as well. And Kobe, I don't think he isn't blame free, his turnovers are really hurting the Lakers, but he is also put in a position to play PG a lot of the time. Also coaching and the bench are having problems, D'Antoni's rotations aren't quite there yet.

The big picture is the Lakers are struggling, and blaming a particular player won't help solve anything.
The Lakers need to play with a sense or urgency, especially on defense, the offense #'s are going to be there, they just need to play defense and play the whole game with energy.
I just wish that the whole team played with Kobe's, Hill's and MWP's energy every single game.
It sucks to see the Lakers do bad when they have all this talent.
Also, Kobe needs to pick up his defense, he needs to lead by example. Not just on offense but on defense as well.

MikeMamba
12-12-2012, 01:11 PM
and the Lakers coaching is not the problem, although I didn't like what Mike Brown was doing, at this point it is all on the players now.

Orangejello727
12-12-2012, 01:17 PM
Orangejello just asked about the last three years... And based on the two previous seasons he gets less looks. The numbers don't lie....

People act like I said Kobe is the only person I said deserves blame.

The whole team deserves blame from the players to the coaches. Can we free there?

Dude just read all your post. They are 10000% ANTI KOBE. its always kobes fault in every thread.

You said my favorite player struggles and im here? Whos my favorite player? Kobe and is he struggling? and is that why they are losing? NO. Now you go back to blame the team. No wait...its not the team becaue Dh12 doesnt get looks so its back to Kobe.

My favorite player is by no means struggling. If leading the league in scoring is struggling, then what is the rest of the league doing? You need to make a choice. You either are trying to support an argument that Kobe is the reason or the team there lack of is the reason. Once you choose, maybe you can have a debate.

But if you're going to go off on Kobe because he is doing his part, then using excuses blaming the team only to take them back because someone doesnt get enough looks, well youll run into a roadblock like this one.

bdoody42
12-12-2012, 01:19 PM
You can't blame 1 player in particular or a couple...
I wouldn't blame Howard, but his FT's have been a liability for the team, Gasol I wouldn't blame because he has been the only one that had to really adjust to all the changes the Lakers have done the past two seasons, but at the same time he is a star and he has to adjust as well. And Kobe, I don't think he isn't blame free, his turnovers are really hurting the Lakers, but he is also put in a position to play PG a lot of the time. Also coaching and the bench are having problems, D'Antoni's rotations aren't quite there yet.

The big picture is the Lakers are struggling, and blaming a particular player won't help solve anything.
The Lakers need to play with a sense or urgency, especially on defense, the offense #'s are going to be there, they just need to play defense and play the whole game with energy.
I just wish that the whole team played with Kobe's, Hill's and MWP's energy every single game.
It sucks to see the Lakers do bad when they have all this talent.
Also, Kobe needs to pick up his defense, he needs to lead by example. Not just on offense but on defense as well.

That was my point example.... It is on every player and not just one to come out and out effort on both sides of the ball. It's the things like taking care of the ball and hustling back on defense that.

Orangejello just gives other laker fans like you a bad name. It's fun to argue with him because you know he takes it personal. He thinks Kobe can do no wrong. He is just like any other player and make mistakes and can struggle. He makes him out to be god.

Thanks for an honest opinion from a sane fan.

Oh do you think they should try to acquire a PG? As a back up and replacement for Nash until he returns.

Orangejello727
12-12-2012, 01:21 PM
Orangejello just asked about the last three years... And based on the two previous seasons he gets less looks. The numbers don't lie....

People act like I said Kobe is the only person I said deserves blame.

The whole team deserves blame from the players to the coaches. Can we free there?

Compare those 3 yrs. Tell me who is performing and who is declining?

Kobe has he declined or become better?
DH12 has he declined or become better?
Pau Gasol has be declined or become better?

All 3 have had coaching changes.
All 3 have had team mate changes
All 3 have had style of play changes.

Whether you get 10 looks or 20 looks, if you arent putting them back its still the same outcome. You just arent doing your job period. You think a 1 for 10 outing is going be any better if it was a 2 for 20? Maybe less looks because he cant put them back?? Ever think about that? You dont give the ball to cold hands, especially when that hand is looking to pass the buck off!

You are absolutely correct. Stats dont lie. Look at them again and agian. Youll see who is playing up to par and who is taking a back seat. Go ahead and say it.

Orangejello727
12-12-2012, 01:23 PM
That was my point example.... It is on every player and not just one to come out and out effort on both sides of the ball. It's the things like taking care of the ball and hustling back on defense that.

Orangejello just gives other laker fans like you a bad name. It's fun to argue with him because you know he takes it personal. He thinks Kobe can do no wrong. He is just like any other player and make mistakes and can struggle. He makes him out to be god.

Thanks for an honest opinion from a sane fan.

Oh do you think they should try to acquire a PG? As a back up and replacement for Nash until he returns.

Fun to argue? You here starting flame wars? Is that your whole pretext to lieing and back peddling?

bdoody42
12-12-2012, 01:23 PM
Dude just read all your post. They are 10000% ANTI KOBE. its always kobes fault in every thread.

You said my favorite player struggles and im here? Whos my favorite player? Kobe and is he struggling? and is that why they are losing? NO. Now you go back to blame the team. No wait...its not the team becaue Dh12 doesnt get looks so its back to Kobe.

My favorite player is by no means struggling. If leading the league in scoring is struggling, then what is the rest of the league doing? You need to make a choice. You either are trying to support an argument that Kobe is the reason or the team there lack of is the reason. Once you choose, maybe you can have a debate.

But if you're going to go off on Kobe because he is doing his part, then using excuses blaming the team only to take them back because someone doesnt get enough looks, well youll run into a roadblock like this one.

They are all to blame including Kobe!!!! It's a team sport. He is a a leader and best player on a team that struggles. Can you understand that?
Dense?

bdoody42
12-12-2012, 01:25 PM
Fun to argue? You here starting flame wars? Is that your whole pretext to lieing and back peddling?

It's called a debate... Not sure what flame wars are.... Read my last post above this. I would love to hear on why Kobe is the reason this team is doing so well.... Oh wait there not... Everyone is responsible including the star player.

Orangejello727
12-12-2012, 01:36 PM
Keep making post because its "Fun to argue" and take personal pot shot.

bdoody42
12-12-2012, 01:59 PM
Keep making post because its "Fun to argue" and take personal pot shot.

What's a personal pot shot?
I just find you amusing that's all.
I make legit points about various players struggling like Howard with FT and stamina. Gasol with the new system. Kobe with turnovers. The whole team with turnovers and not getting back on defense.

Those are issues don't you think?

bdoody42
12-12-2012, 02:28 PM
Anyone else have an opinion on the Lakers situation?

murrke03
12-12-2012, 02:47 PM
after a tough night last night it looks like oj is back in full force.

yikes guys "cant we all just get along?" - Mean Girls

bdoody42
12-12-2012, 03:06 PM
after a tough night last night it looks like oj is back in full force.

yikes guys "cant we all just get along?" - Mean Girls

Lol cute cute :)

What do think the Lakers issues are?