Did the Treatment of Jay Cutler Ruin RG3's offseason?

[MarshallCutler6]

Robert Griffin III, other NFL players likely fearful of 'Jay Cutler' treatment - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--robert-griffin-iii--other-nfl-players-likely-fearful-of--jay-cutler--treatment-224309228.html)


^^^ Very Valid Points here. Jay Became one of the most hated players in the league because of Fans, other players, and the media crticizing Cutler for his sprained MCL during the NFC Championship. So is it possible that players, in this case RG3, stay in games despite extreme injury/pain because they dont want to be thought of by quitters by everyone in the league?

Just a thought. Discuss.

[chasacar86]

It's very valid...I could also see with it being the last game of the year, RGIII didn't wanna hold anything back.

[mmkyszka]

This is going to turn into another thread bashing Cutler saying hes a pu$$y and a cry baby and he sucks. Going to annoy me very much

Edit: I follow the forum on footballsfuture.com and there was a thread about this the day it happened in the Bears section. Didnt want to bring it up on here because I didnt want people taking it the wrong way

[MarshallCutler6]

This is going to turn into another thread bashing Cutler saying hes a pu$$y and a cry baby and he sucks. Going to annoy me very much

Just ignore it. That's what Ive learned to do. Hes an NFL QB, 50x tougher than any of us. Usually if you ignore it, 5-10 people will keep the thread on topic, however, if you reply to the comments it just turns into the great Cutler Debate.

[pierrethomasfan]

Nah because RG3 isn't a #@#@#@#@#@#@ like cutler :p

[88horsepower]

I'm all for a player sitting out if he's going to be a detriment to his team. I'm not saying RGIII should be criticized for wanting to play. After all, most players are just wired to want to play through injuries and fall on their sword, but it's insane that some of the same people that are critical of RGIII for playing through an obviously damaging injury are so hypercritical of players like Cutler or LT for sitting out in big games. You can't have it both ways.

[MarshallCutler6]

Edit: I follow the forum on footballsfuture.com and there was a thread about this the day it happened in the Bears section. Didnt want to bring it up on here because I didnt want people taking it the wrong way

Its an extremely valid point. Jay is called all of these things soley because of this incident. So looking at it from any other Qbs standpoint, It is worth it to play through a bit of pain to keep your rep in tact, because nobody wants to go from being considered a top Starting QB to finishing 2nd in the Most hated players list because of an injury. And in this case it Cost RG3 his offseason, and, as it is looking now, part of next season.

[MarshallCutler6]

I'm all for a player sitting out if he's going to be a detriment to his team. I'm not saying RGIII should be criticized for wanting to play. After all, most players are just wired to want to play through injuries and fall on their sword, but it's insane that some of the same people that are critical of RGIII for playing through an obviously damaging injury are so hypercritical of players like Cutler or LT for sitting out in big games. You can't have it both ways.

Very true. In this case though, it would have been better for him to take the @#!$ for sitting out, because he really got messed up by staying in that game.

[mmkyszka]

As soon as he started limping in the first half I thought he should have came out.

Say Cutler did stay in the game last season even though the doctors wouldnt let him play. Is this what could have happened to him??? I am for one happy that he sat out and I hope a speedy recover for RGIII

[88horsepower]

Very true. In this case though, it would have been better for him to take the @#!$ for sitting out, because he really got messed up by staying in that game.

No question in my mind, he should have sat out. And I'm not just saying that in hindsight. During the middle of the game I turned to my wife and we both exclaimed "The guy isn't right. I wonder how long before Shanahan pulls him." I'm not entirely sure if they necessarily would have won if they pulled RGIII, but the injury might cost them their future.

[MarshallCutler6]

As soon as he started limping in the first half I thought he should have came out.

Say Cutler did stay in the game last season even though the doctors wouldnt let him play. Is this what could have happened to him??? I am for one happy that he sat out and I hope a speedy recover for RGIII

Probably not as severe, but he could have torn his MCL without much trouble. I will take the all the people being critical of him if it meant that he would get to play the next year, and sure enough he did. Until the thumb that is.

[mnvikingstwins]

If RG3's good knee bent in like that, he would have suffered the same injury. He might have been favoring his other knee, but the final injury could have happened to any QB on a bad snap and crappy field

[MarshallCutler6]

If RG3's good knee bent in like that, he would have suffered the same injury. He might have been favoring his other knee, but the final injury could have happened to any QB on a bad snap and crappy field

The reason his knee bent like that is because the ligiments were torn, a normal knee would not bend like that on that play, but since his LCL and ACL were partially torn, the bad snap was enough to finish the job.

[mmkyszka]

If RG3's good knee bent in like that, he would have suffered the same injury. He might have been favoring his other knee, but the final injury could have happened to any QB on a bad snap and crappy field

the reason it bent like that so easily was because it was so weak from previously tearing it in 09, and already being hurt before the game. Then he tweaked it in the first half. A knee can only take so much before eventually it gives out.

[mmkyszka]

The reason his knee bent like that is because the ligiments were torn, a normal knee would not bend like that on that play, but since his LCL and ACL were partially torn, the bad snap was enough to finish the job.

Took the words right out of my mouth and beat me to it lol. Its kind of scary how alike most of our posts are

[The Madbacker]

Apples to Oranges.

Cutler is hated by the media, RG3 is loved by the media

Cutler's injury wasn't bad while RG3's was

Cutler pouted on the sidelines and watched Hanie get mauled, RG3 would've cheered on Cousins

Wild Card game vs NFC Championship

[MarshallCutler6]

Took the words right out of my mouth and beat me to it lol. Its kind of scary how alike most of our posts are

Maybe were the same person. Lets test it out, you send that Cutler 1/1 to me and if it shows up at your house we must be the same person, and if it shows up at my house Ill just keep it because its too expensive to resend a card like that.:devil::devil:

[MarshallCutler6]

Apples to Oranges.

Cutler is hated by the media, RG3 is loved by the media: Cutler wasnt hated by anyone outside of Denver until the injury.

Cutler's injury wasn't bad while RG3's was: An injured knee ligiment is an injured knee ligiment, Cutler just got out before the MCL tore.

Cutler pouted on the sidelines and watched Hanie get mauled, RG3 would've cheered on Cousins: Show me where Cutler Pouted on the Sidelines, Id like to see where youre getting this from.

Wild Card game vs NFC Championship:Playoffs are Playoffs, Youre still out if you lose.

Answers in Bold.

[mmkyszka]

Apples to Oranges.

Cutler is hated by the media, RG3 is loved by the media

Cutler's injury wasn't bad while RG3's was

Cutler pouted on the sidelines and watched Hanie get mauled, RG3 would've cheered on Cousins

Wild Card game vs NFC Championship

How did he pout on the sidelines? Cause he wasnt jumping up and down showing emotions? What did you expect him to do? Run up and down the sidelines next to the play?

[1eyed_jack]

Just ignore it. That's what Ive learned to do. Hes an NFL QB, 50x tougher than any of us. Usually if you ignore it, 5-10 people will keep the thread on topic, however, if you reply to the comments it just turns into the great Cutler Debate.

You realize he plays football right?

There are military people, police officers, fireman etc...on here.

He plays a game

[MarshallCutler6]

You realize he plays football right?

There are military people, police officers, fireman etc...on here.

He plays a game

I was exaggerating to make a point, nothing more, nothing less. I realize there are some very tough people on here that have felt pain way worse then we can imagine. But most of those people dont take part in the bashing of Cutler, the Cutler Bashers is more who I was reffering to.

[Army19K]

You realize he plays football right?

There are military people, police officers, fireman etc...on here.

He plays a game

I was going to say something along the lines of we would see how tough he is after a 15 month deployment ot afghanisuck, but we choose to do this job, just like Cutler, we just make way less :)!

[MarshallCutler6]

I was going to say something along the lines of we would see how tough he is after a 15 month deployment ot afghanisuck, but we choose to do this job, just like Cutler, we just make way less :)!

Hey I wanted to thank you for nominating me to win that Cutler Patch if you won that contest the other day. It was very nice of you and I appreciate it.

[The Madbacker]

Answers in Bold.

Jesus Christ, Homertron activate. Cutler sat on the bench, stuck his lower lip out and refused to be a team player.

He's a #@#@#@#@#@#@, plain and simple, he doesn't want to win and he's all about himself.

Oh yeah, he's a sh!tty quarterback who makes erratic throws and only has love eyes for Marshall. Great for fantasy, terrible in real life.

[The Madbacker]

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l179/ryanschear/Funny%20Pictures/jay-cutler-bed_zpsd36bc801.jpg

[MarshallCutler6]

Jesus Christ, Homertron activate. Cutler sat on the bench, stuck his lower lip out and refused to be a team player.

He's a #@#@#@#@#@#@, plain and simple, he doesn't want to win and he's all about himself.

Oh yeah, he's a sh!tty quarterback who makes erratic throws and only has love eyes for Marshall. Great for fantasy, terrible in real life.

When did this happen? He has been good for years now, as he made the NFC championship WITHOUT Marshall and has compiled a winning record as Bears QB for the most part WITHOUT Marshall. He cares about winning more than anything, hence smiles when they win despite him only throwing for 150 yards. He didnt do that during the NFC championship, so Im questioning wether you actually watched it.

[The Madbacker]

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l179/ryanschear/Funny%20Pictures/jay-cutler-bed_zpsd36bc801.jpg

[mmkyszka]

Jesus Christ, Homertron activate. Cutler sat on the bench, stuck his lower lip out and refused to be a team player.

He's a #@#@#@#@#@#@, plain and simple, he doesn't want to win and he's all about himself.

Oh yeah, he's a sh!tty quarterback who makes erratic throws and only has love eyes for Marshall. Great for fantasy, terrible in real life.

So because he stuck out his lower lip apparantly hes a cry baby and pouting? I guess if he would have stayed in the locker room or went to the hospital he would be a baby and not a team player either right? What do you expect him to do?

[Razorsharp79]

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l179/ryanschear/Funny%20Pictures/jay-cutler-bed_zpsd36bc801.jpg

is that marshallcutler6 in his bedroom after you told him his boy sucked?:p

[The Madbacker]

So because he stuck out his lower lip apparantly hes a cry baby and pouting? I guess if he would have stayed in the locker room or went to the hospital he would be a baby and not a team player either right? What do you expect him to do?

Help Hanie try and win the F-ing game. I think he WANTED to see Hanie fail and he got his wish. The Bears are awful, just an awful team. Forte can't stay healthy, Cutler can't win games, put 4 guys on Marshall and watch Cutler get sacked or throw a pick.

[hitman1116]

Wouldn't the fact that RGIII has a history of knee problems, make this a totally different situation. If he went into the game at 100% (like Cutler did), and then tweaked it in the first half, I'm sure a lot of people would expect him to go out there.

However we knew that RGIII's knee wasn't healthy. They should have taken him out. If anything I'd be more worried about the way the coach handled the situation then whether the players or media would have treated him like they did Cutler. Shannahan has to be the guy to take care of the future of the franchise. He showed when he played the Ravens that he had no regard for his health and the way he reported the concussion that he doesn't care.

A lot of things with Cutler is his own fault. The media is allowed to perceive him as a baby and a cry-baby because he gets caught in those situations. The NFC Championship game, the on-field incident with Webb this year, and comments towards Mike Martz.

[MarshallCutler6]

Help Hanie try and win the F-ing game. I think he WANTED to see Hanie fail and he got his wish. The Bears are awful, just an awful team. Forte can't stay healthy, Cutler can't win games, put 4 guys on Marshall and watch Cutler get sacked or throw a pick.


2010- 11-5 record, leading reciver: Not Brandon Marshall (Devin Hester <700 yards)

2011- 7-3 record, Leading Reciver: Not Brandon Marshall (Johnny Knox slightly over 700)

Cutlers record over the last 3 years

28-13 2 wins+ for every loss. Yeah, he cant win ANYTHING.

[mmkyszka]

Help Hanie try and win the F-ing game. I think he WANTED to see Hanie fail and he got his wish. The Bears are awful, just an awful team. Forte can't stay healthy, Cutler can't win games, put 4 guys on Marshall and watch Cutler get sacked or throw a pick.

Theyre not awful, not in the slightest. They had an awful end to the seaon thats for sure, but if you remember before that drop off, the bears were 14-1 in Cutlers last 15 starts. I admit he did not have the best season at all and performed as an average QB most of the time, and looked to Marshall to much.

I think a Head Coaching Change that is more offensive minded could really help Cutler improve and move up in to the top 7 or so QBs in the league. I really want Trestman. I feel like he will help Cutler very much.

[achilles01987]

Its an extremely valid point. Jay is called all of these things soley because of this incident. So looking at it from any other Qbs standpoint, It is worth it to play through a bit of pain to keep your rep in tact, because nobody wants to go from being considered a top Starting QB to finishing 2nd in the Most hated players list because of an injury. And in this case it Cost RG3 his offseason, and, as it is looking now, part of next season.

No it's not solely because of this incident. The mere look on his face sparks name calling, and the way he complains.

[MarshallCutler6]

No it's not solely because of this incident. The mere look on his face sparks name calling, and the way he complains.

He never complains, unless you are on the sidelines with him. Hes never complained on an interview. He takes responsibility. But nobody notices this. They notice when he yells at a lineman who wasnt performing and suddenly said lineman performed again.

[jiggidy]

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[achilles01987]

He never complains, unless you are on the sidelines with him. Hes never complained on an interview. He takes responsibility. But nobody notices this. They notice when he yells at a lineman who wasnt performing and suddenly said lineman performed again.

I'm not on the sideline, and surely dont know this as fact, but for you to make a statement implying that he is called names "merely" because of that incident sounds more idiotic than anything I said. Hang on people, we have a Chicago Bear know it all. Just call Cutler and tell him to post for himself already. Lol!

Sorry, I must've forgotten that everything in football ties into Cutler. For he is the absolute bestest...

[MarshallCutler6]

I'm not on the sideline, and surely dont know this as fact, but for you to make a statement implying that he is called names "merely" because of that incident sounds more idiotic than anything I said. Hang on people, we have a Chicago Bear know it all. Just call Cutler and tell him to post for himself already. Lol!

Sorry, I must've forgotten that everything in football ties into Cutler. For he is the absolute bestest...

Where did I say it did? Hes my favorite player, so yes Ill post more about him than others, same as you do about your favorite vikings.

[gergs1134]

http://i786.photobucket.com/albums/yy150/gergs1134/images_zpsf4f3b127.jpg

[mmkyszka]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1476583/cutler-cat.jpeg

http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/staffordgrass-600x337.jpg?w=420&h=235

Edit: Notice the score?

[jiggidy]

Edit: Notice the score?

I remember Cutler got lit up in that game too. Who cares about the score? A lot of teams beat us this year. That win helped you guys in your playoff hunt..........oh wait. So all your season resulted in is a worse draft pick :)!:D.

[mmkyszka]

I remember Cutler got lit up in that game too. Who cares about the score? A lot of teams beat us this year. That win helped you guys in your playoff hunt..........oh wait. So all your season resulted in is a worse draft pick :)!:D.

So basically what your saying.. The lions suck. I didnt know it was a good thing when your team ended up with a top 5 draft pick.....

All I have to say is... Since the 2008 Season

Bears: 45-35 avg. of 9 Wins a season. +135 Point Difference

Lions: 22-58 avg. of 4 wins a season. -466 Point Difference

[The Madbacker]

Yay Cutler, BOO everyone else!

Can't win when it matters, still has less Super Bowl rings than TRENT DILFER!

[1eyed_jack]

As a Bears fan (and I stress this because I am not a Bears hater)

Who cares what the Bears records have been, they haven't won a championship since 85. I'd rather have the Lions record as they have some really good young players.

[MarshallCutler6]

Yay Cutler, BOO everyone else!

Can't win when it matters, still has less Super Bowl rings than TRENT DILFER!

So does Dan Marino, wanna bash him too?

[jiggidy]

So basically what your saying.. The lions suck. I didnt know it was a good thing when your team ended up with a top 5 draft pick.....

All I have to say is... Since the 2008 Season

Bears: 45-35 avg. of 9 Wins a season. +135 Point Difference

Lions: 22-58 avg. of 4 wins a season. -466 Point Difference

The Lions had a 0 win season in there too. What's your point? We were struggling with dealing with the after effects of the incompetent Matt Millen.

What the Bears excuse for being mediocre?

[1eyed_jack]

So does Dan Marino, wanna bash him too?

please please please don't compare cutler to Marino.

I know what you're getting at....but no

[1eyed_jack]

The Lions had a 0 win season in there too. What's your point? We were struggling with dealing with the after effects of the incompetent Matt Millen.

What the Bears excuse for being mediocre?

INJURIES!!!

We're the only team that's ever had them, didn't you know?

[mmkyszka]

Yay Cutler, BOO everyone else!

Can't win when it matters, still has less Super Bowl rings than TRENT DILFER!

So since Aaron Rodgers only has 1 SB, does that mean they are equal?

Which btw, dont know when we ever said boo everyone else

[MarshallCutler6]

please please please don't compare cutler to Marino.

I know what you're getting at....but no

I didnt compare them. He said that Cutler sucks because he cant win when it counts and has less rings then Dilfer, well so does Marino, so I would like to know his opinion on Dan.

[jiggidy]

As a Bears fan (and I stress this because I am not a Bears hater)

Who cares what the Bears records have been, they haven't won a championship since 85. I'd rather have the Lions record as they have some really good young players.

INJURIES!!!

We're the only team that's ever had them, didn't you know?

LOL. Oh yea I forgot.

I knew there were Bears fans that could think logically. Finally one showed up on this site :D

[MarshallCutler6]

So since Aaron Rodgers only has 1 SB, does that mean they are equal?

Which btw, dont know when we ever said boo everyone else

Yeah I like a lot of Players outside of Cutler, I havent said a word about anyone other than Cutty today.

[mmkyszka]

The Lions had a 0 win season in there too. What's your point? We were struggling with dealing with the after effects of the incompetent Matt Millen.

What the Bears excuse for being mediocre?

maybe the fact the fact that we havent had a half decent Offensive coordinator this century lol

Edit: Theyve always had a great defense, but it is now clearly an offensive league.

[duwal]

So does Dan Marino, wanna bash him too?


probably would have won if he had the help of the Bears defense behind him for years. Lets face it the Bears DEFENSE is the bigger reason for the win loss record while Cutler has been QB there

[FreeMan12406]

Just ignore it. That's what Ive learned to do. Hes an NFL QB, 50x tougher than any of us. Usually if you ignore it, 5-10 people will keep the thread on topic, however, if you reply to the comments it just turns into the great Cutler Debate.

Heed your own advice Daniel Son.

[friarbolt]

Heed your own advice Daniel Son.

*Daniel-San

Come on keep it on topic! Sweep the leg, get him a body bag, yadda yadda yadda. :devil:

[MarshallCutler6]

Heed your own advice Daniel Son.

I know. I did it again:(. It gets quite annoying after awhile so I feel the need to respond. But I forgot that responding to someone bashing Cutler brings in Every Lions Vikings or PAckers fan to ever walk the earth. OH well, Im done now:) Probably no way this thread gets back on topic so im just going to let it get lost in the boards. Goodnight everyone, been a fun debate.

[achilles01987]

Nevermind... It's not worth it...

[jlzinck]

Homers who easily get sand in their vaginas are fun:)!

[lambeauleap87]

Apples to Oranges.

Cutler is hated by the media, RG3 is loved by the media

Cutler's injury wasn't bad while RG3's was

Cutler pouted on the sidelines and watched Hanie get mauled, RG3 would've cheered on Cousins

Wild Card game vs NFC Championship

I'm scared that I'm starting to agree with you more and more lately.

[56LightsOut56]

SMOKKKKKKKKKINNNGG !!!!!!

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