Former MLB Commish suggests proposal

[DarkTiger29]

Fay Vincent is in favor of lifetime ban from baseball if caught using PEDs. I'm not sure if I agree but either way this will be a good discussion.

MLB steroids: Former commissioner Fay Vincent favors lifetime ban - MLB - Sporting News (http://aol.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2013-01-30/mlb-steroids-commissioner-fay-vincent-lifetime-ban-ped-hgh-alex-rodrguez?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl21%7Csec3_lnk1%26pLid%3D263698)

[Metsfan1121]

I think that's logical. I think at least half the users would stop. Another idea is voiding of contracts and a fine that's 50% your salary you've earned so far.

[monkeymcgee]

I think the current game bans are okay, but I think teams should have the option to void any remaining time on the players contract if they get caught.

I'm sure that would be a massive fight with the union, but it would get the players' attention.

[DarkTiger29]

I want to agree and think that when guys start getting banned others would wise up. More than likely it won't happen but the current guidelines aren't working

[Gmrson]

I agree as well. They need a policy similar to the NFL. Don't put it in your body unless you check with team/league physicians. No more "I didn't know what was in it..I just took it" crap. And make it clear like the don't bet on baseball or associate with illegal gamblers. You know the rule and the results.

[Nodie27]

I think they should impose stiff fines for players caught cheating and longer bans. 1st time failing a test you are banned 162 games and your fine would be at least 50% of what you would have made. Those fees could be used to fund testing each month of every player.

[abcd1234]

Lifetime ban.....Does anybody have any research on peds and their ability to make you hit homeruns and what not? Just wonder about the homerun race of the 90s......it does seem a little apparent that something may have been in the Kool-Aid...

A part of me wants to see players perform sub-par and I don't care how they do it yet if there is long term damaging effects to the athlete....we should definitely enforce penalties...not bans. Let the players learn right from wrong.

[VWBUS1978]

can't say i would be opposed to this at all.

frankly, MLB really needs to enforce these rules to the enth degree.

i wouldn't be opposed to stiffening fines either, but i'd bet my last $ the MLBPA would.

[duwal]

I think they should impose stiff fines for players caught cheating and longer bans. 1st time failing a test you are banned 162 games and your fine would be at least 50% of what you would have made. Those fees could be used to fund testing each month of every player.


So if they failed a test they would be out for the year but still get half their paycheck?

[xbignick]

I'm at first=100 games or a season.
Second=life.

[Gmrson]

Let the players learn right from wrong.

Doesn't this happen by age 7? As long as the know the consequences then there should be no problem. I speed...I know I may get a ticket. I can't be mad if I get caught.

[abcd1234]

hahaha.... you would think. I tend to believe that people should experiment with good and what is perceived as bad.

[abcd1234]

can peds add 30 homeruns to a normal person's year?

What kind of slanted enhancement do peds really provide?

Food itself should be considered a ped.

Some food makes you perform better than others, its just not as potent as what we find in the category of peds.

[Ziveus101]

While I agree that a harsher punishment is in order, I don't think a lifetime ban is the answer. Mainly because it'll be hard to draw a line as to who gets a "pass" (for lack of a better word) for using PEDs, and by this I mean both the current players who use their craftyness to become evil geniuses (whoever they are) and the players of the late 80's/90's. It's going to be hard to justify a lifetime ban given to a player like say Yasmani Grandal when Barry Bonds & co. get to slide just because using PEDs "was the norm" back when they were playing.

Personally I think players who get caught have to face a 75 game suspension without pay and are only allowed to sign 1-year contracts that'll pay them (at most) the minor league minimum for the rest of their career. Most of the time players juice to cash in when they reach free-agency, you warn them that they'll be stripped of ever earning even what a benchplayer gets and I presume that a lot of people will stop.

Of course even if the MLB did something like step up their drug testing system or implicate harsher punishments, I doubt that people insecure about their body & talent/dumb enough to try juicing will go away completely.
Remember that we are dealing with humans, they passed a law saying that murdering other humans is illegal and yet people still get murdered everyday.

[Zoop]

Hahahahahahaha to people who think the NFL is clean.

Lifetime bans for first offense? Nope. Stupid. Too many anomalies that one can consume in protein shakes and other stuff.

[stera8]

Everybody makes mistakes. I see someone getting busted for being prescribed ped's for injuries and getting a ban..

I do think the voided contract will be awesome

[centereacan06]

I'm at first=100 games or a season.
Second=life.

This......

[Cubs_rock21]

Banning is not the answer as a lot of players already do it...However I think if a player is caught cheating than his contract with the team can be voided, or the salary is deeply discounted. You can't ban players because yes it's cheating, but the MLB is also for entertainment, and you can't have the players that people love to watch, or love to hate on kicked out of the league, it would diminish ticket sales. Im sure there are superstars in the game that use steroids.

Would anyone be surprised if Mike trout uses them? I wouldn't be
A one year ban would be nice, that would give the player one year to get clean and practice without the use of roids.

[Nodie27]

So if they failed a test they would be out for the year but still get half their paycheck?

See here's what I was thinking. I don't know how contracts work. If let's say player A signs a 1 year contract for $2 million a year, I didn't know if his contract would still award him $2million even if he was out a year for the suspension. If it did award him the money, then he would pay at least $1 million to the league. But if he doesn't get paid for the games he misses, he would still have to pay a million. So he would be screwed out of $3million in that situation.

I assume more clubs will start voiding contracts in the event of positive tests, so I was just leaving it open.

[Zoop]

Would anyone be surprised if Mike trout uses them? I wouldn't be

He gets like 80 kills per game in Call of Duty. I think he's just naturally great at everything, which makes me hate him. :mad:

Unless...

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But...

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[Nodie27]

Personally I think players who get caught have to face a 75 game suspension without pay and are only allowed to sign 1-year contracts that'll pay them (at most) the minor league minimum for the rest of their career. Most of the time players juice to cash in when they reach free-agency, you warn them that they'll be stripped of ever earning even what a benchplayer gets and I presume that a lot of people will stop.



I like this. I don't know about the rest of their career or the league minimum but some kind of limitations on length and amount would be great.

[Ziveus101]

I like this. I don't know about the rest of their career or the league minimum but some kind of limitations on length and amount would be great.

Well I just wrote those two because IMO that's how harsh the punishment needs to be. A month and a half away from the field while still earning half of the money owed to them will not provoke anyone desparate enough for a big contract. The MLB needs to make it clear that using PEDs is a serious crime (within the sport) and start making the punishments more severe so that players actually think the punishments matter, just like they made (or started to make) the All-Star Game something that matters.

[Srt42004n]

Well wonder what happens if a Rockies player gets caught smoking pot since its legal in CO...double edge sword when compared to Singleton...

[howethegreat]

I'm at first=100 games or a season.
Second=life.

i would agree with this ban system

[mgugs46]

I think they should just let players use PED's. They've been doing it literally for 40 years or longer, so why not. Besides, the NFL is rampant with PED use and there is zero outrage at all. Why the double standard?

[DarkTiger29]

I'm at first=100 games or a season.
Second=life.

Bingo..no ifs ands or buts

[romad97]

I think the only way to put everyone on an equal playing field is to just allow everyone to use.

[ediii33]

Problem is Bud is the commish. Nots not good.

[dbackschamp2001]

Well wonder what happens if a Rockies player gets caught smoking pot since its legal in CO...double edge sword when compared to Singleton...

It is against the rules. It doesn't matter what the law is in an area. They can't bet on baseball even if they are in Las Vegas



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[mrlaker]

Hahahahahahaha to people who think the NFL is clean.

Lifetime bans for first offense? Nope. Stupid. Too many anomalies that one can consume in protein shakes and other stuff.


is the latter statement some sort of joke? There is NO anomolies that can cause your testosterone to spike beyond it's natural limits, much less spike AT ALL in protein shakes.

Don't mean to call you out in particular, but the ignorance the public has in regards to PED's, fitness and nutrition in general is mind blowing. It's also the reason people eat up everything they read in regards to PED's, excuses for false positives, etc.

[NJNets24]

While I agree that a harsher punishment is in order, I don't think a lifetime ban is the answer. Mainly because it'll be hard to draw a line as to who gets a "pass" (for lack of a better word) for using PEDs, and by this I mean both the current players who use their craftyness to become evil geniuses (whoever they are) and the players of the late 80's/90's. It's going to be hard to justify a lifetime ban given to a player like say Yasmani Grandal when Barry Bonds & co. get to slide just because using PEDs "was the norm" back when they were playing.

Personally I think players who get caught have to face a 75 game suspension without pay and are only allowed to sign 1-year contracts that'll pay them (at most) the minor league minimum for the rest of their career. Most of the time players juice to cash in when they reach free-agency, you warn them that they'll be stripped of ever earning even what a benchplayer gets and I presume that a lot of people will stop.

Of course even if the MLB did something like step up their drug testing system or implicate harsher punishments, I doubt that people insecure about their body & talent/dumb enough to try juicing will go away completely.
Remember that we are dealing with humans, they passed a law saying that murdering other humans is illegal and yet people still get murdered everyday.

This! I wrote a paper about PED's and my suggestion was a 3 tiered suspension system without pay. And heavy, heavy fines. My main focus was that most of MLB players juice for money. So if you not only take that away, but hinder them from being able to make more, they will definitely second guess it. For some of them, using anything and getting caught, is just unfortuante but they still have millions in the bank and won't be losing it anytime soon.

[jlzinck]

Hahahahahahaha to people who think the NFL is clean.

Lifetime bans for first offense? Nope. Stupid. Too many anomalies that one can consume in protein shakes and other stuff.

This reminds me of the time Nomar said something to the effect of---what's next testing us for Advil?

[jlzinck]

This! I wrote a paper about PED's and my suggestion was a 3 tiered suspension system without pay. And heavy, heavy fines. My main focus was that most of MLB players juice for money. So if you not only take that away, but hinder them from being able to make more, they will definitely second guess it. For some of them, using anything and getting caught, is just unfortuante but they still have millions in the bank and won't be losing it anytime soon.

Too many lawyers working for the MLPA for this to ever happen. Would need to part of the collective bargaining pact.

Then you would get the "Braun Challenges" where if the FedEx driver stopped for lunch it would contaminate the sample.:rolleyes: