Sale Thread Rant

[jsrb14]

Why is it so hard to put a price on your cards??? (members in general). Just post what you have, set a realistic price and if you don't know just set it a little above what you think it's worth. If your scared of getting lowballed then post in hobby talk and ask for help on a value. I am tired of members posting "Every card is 100 for rules sake" or 100000 for the lot just to sneak around posting a price. It's frustrating as a buyer. I don't want to look at a bunch of stuff if, then pm after I have a list, and in the end find out we are no where near being close on the price. I am just tired of these type of threads popping up and it seems to be happening more and more often on here. NO ONE in particular is being called out here and this is just my personal rant. Anyone with an opinion or who supports my rant feel free to post.

[gamboooler]

Sellers should have to post a price, buyers should counter-offer if they want it to go lower, and the process will continue moving forward organically from there. So much of the frustration that comes as a result of buying and selling on here can be attributed to those people who are either afraid to negotiate or do so in a slimy manner. Posting $10,000 obo for a $500 card is just as bad as someone seeing a realistic price, asking for a "best price," and then countering after that. Just my opinion, but the latter are the real problems (and greater in number). They expect sellers to negotiate against themselves, because they are either lazy or stupid. I'm all for going out and getting the best deal for yourself, but there has to be some level of two-way respect that goes in to the process. If everyone negotiates on the up-and-up (and uses common sense), the level of frustration on the board would decrease dramatically.

[kordell1]

I just hit the back button on those sale threads. If you don't have time to set a price, I don't have time to buy your card(s).

[jsrb14]

Yea I have been doing the same recently and gamboooler makes a good point. The respect level between buyer and seller on here has gotten a little out of hand. Offers should be made via PM as well instead of calling out the seller on their thread. If your buying at the posted price its one thing but all other business should be done via PM just out of courtesy to both parties.

[cking]

Why is it so hard to put a price on your cards??? (members in general). Just post what you have, set a realistic price and if you don't know just set it a little above what you think it's worth. If your scared of getting lowballed then post in hobby talk and ask for help on a value. I am tired of members posting "Every card is 100 for rules sake" or 100000 for the lot just to sneak around posting a price. It's frustrating as a buyer. I don't want to look at a bunch of stuff if, then pm after I have a list, and in the end find out we are no where near being close on the price. I am just tired of these type of threads popping up and it seems to be happening more and more often on here. NO ONE in particular is being called out here and this is just my personal rant. Anyone with an opinion or who supports my rant feel free to post.

I cant stand people who give you the old "for rules sake, $100 for the lot" but refuse to give individual prices

[SportCardBuffet]

I agree. not a fan of this new fad here on BO, if I see something I like I always PM an offer if not claiming it in the thread at its stated price. These types of threads are hard to work with and in the long run usually don't seem to accomplish anything for any members.

Unfortunately this will keep happening until some members get made a sample of with possible temp suspensions for constantly violating the rules. Temps seemed to have work well with members who would constantly bump a bit too much.

[jsrb14]

Yea hopefully something happens before the forum starts to turn into SPortscardfroum which is just a mess to try and work with altogether. Seems like there is little to no rules there and like walking into an old pack rats card shop where he doesn't know what he has and it's all worth a million bucks lol.

[Ray27Ray52]

My favorite is when you ask for a price on an individual card in a lot and the seller says "Pm sent." Like it's some super top secret need to know basis info that cannot be exposed to the masses.

[Gmrson]

I just hit the back button on those sale threads. If you don't have time to set a price, I don't have time to buy your card(s).

+1 :)!

[Bob Loblaw]

My favorite is when you ask for a price on an individual card in a lot and the seller says "Pm sent." Like it's some super top secret need to know basis info that cannot be exposed to the masses.

My guess is that's to get a free bump.

[Ray27Ray52]

My guess is that's to get a free bump.

Fair enough. But there have been several occasions where I have been interested in a price that someone else has inquired about. They received the pm sent reply which does not expose the offering price to everyone. I'm not going to ask for the price as well when the seller could have accomplished the same thing by just giving the price to the original person in his thread.

[jsrb14]

yea if it's coming out of a lot that makes no sense. they should just post the price, but a counteroffer or similar things should just go through pm.

[btmcrushers]

I'll play devils advocate here since I've done this on a few of my threads, and not because I believe in it or support: it makes sense, time wise, if you're posting a huge lot of cards that realistically people are only going to be interested in a small portion. For example, it would take a lot of time/research to post individual prices on say a 100 card lot when more than likely you'll be lucky to have interest on a handful of the cards.

This is no different from card shows where dealers don't have prices marked 95% of the time and 50% of the time they look the card up in a beckett magazine to give you a price.

Just my two cents. I can see it both ways. I know that I'm a somewhat shy/reserve guy so I at times hate asking for prices, especially at card shows because then you can get suckered in. And especially when they are extremely high you've wasted both yours and the dealers time.


The absolute worst are sellers who say make me an offer, imo. Also, sometimes when people actually do post individual prices you still get the guys who say "pm your absolute lowest on the Joe Blow auto"

[jlzinck]

I cant stand people who give you the old "for rules sake, $100 for the lot" but refuse to give individual prices

Like this one? Originally was $6000
http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/baseball-singles-buy-sell-trade/442171-bryce-harper-quotables-live-natitude.html

But OP must realize that even we good sellers have to put up with the scum of the hobby.

I will actually research what my items sell for. And what I will get after fees on Ebay and then offer at THAT price and 95 times out of 100 I get offers os 30% LESS or "What's your bottom price?"

[lobo_hacker]

""This is no different from card shows where dealers don't have prices marked 95% of the time and 50% of the time they look the card up in a beckett magazine to give you a price. ""

I agree, and just like i don't buy from folks here that don't even try, i don't buy from dealers at shows that don't try either.

lobo_hacker, who had to stop reminding folks they have to post prices as against forum rules as he ended up having to post the reminder it about half the threads on each page.

[pastmyshades]

I will actually research what my items sell for. And what I will get after fees on Ebay and then offer at THAT price and 95 times out of 100 I get offers os 30% LESS or "What's your bottom price?"

Its almost impossible to sell on here because of that.

-James

[DaBaddestHic]

Its almost impossible to sell on here because of that.

-James

I think it's because most people on here are buying stuff with the intention to resell, instead of buying because they actually want the card and are therefore willing to pay what it's worth. Which sucks.

[friarbolt]

I'll play devils advocate here since I've done this on a few of my threads, and not because I believe in it or support: it makes sense, time wise, if you're posting a huge lot of cards that realistically people are only going to be interested in a small portion. For example, it would take a lot of time/research to post individual prices on say a 100 card lot when more than likely you'll be lucky to have interest on a handful of the cards.

This is no different from card shows where dealers don't have prices marked 95% of the time and 50% of the time they look the card up in a beckett magazine to give you a price.

Just my two cents. I can see it both ways. I know that I'm a somewhat shy/reserve guy so I at times hate asking for prices, especially at card shows because then you can get suckered in. And especially when they are extremely high you've wasted both yours and the dealers time.


The absolute worst are sellers who say make me an offer, imo. Also, sometimes when people actually do post individual prices you still get the guys who say "pm your absolute lowest on the Joe Blow auto"

Your cards, your price. Nobody is making you post so many cards, if you want to then it's on you to do research and price them out.

I dislike the "for the sake of the rules" posts because it's a way to skirt the rules. If someone for example puts $10,000 OBO on a card, they are pretty much not pricing it just the same as if they had no price at all. It's just a sneaky way to get around the rules and lacks integrity.

[mcsd121]

From my limited experience here, members want cards for free and forget that shipping and supplies cost money as well. If someone wants a card that's listed make a fair offer. If the seller doesn't like the offer he can counter. Too many people here trying to get a 50 dollar card for 30 bucks, just so they can turn around and sell it for more than brag about it.

[duwal]

My favorite is when you ask for a price on an individual card in a lot and the seller says "Pm sent." Like it's some super top secret need to know basis info that cannot be exposed to the masses.

think its more of a way to start the negotiations on the card. Would you really want to start talking about buying a card on some persons thread and someone else butts in saying they can go higher than you?

[duwal]

another thing is the seller might be too worried about scaring off potential buyers if they individually price their items. If they post a certain card and it is lists at $30 then someone that wants it but at a lower price might just hit the back button. If a seller is thinking $30 and says what would you pay for it and another member says $22 than it might be more likely that a deal can be made

[MetDude]

Somone had a thread like this recently where "for rules sake, all cards are $100 each obo so send me an offer". Person had 4 or 5 cards i wanted all which generally sell in the 5-10 range.

I REALLY wanted to offer him 10 cents a piece and say OK now you counter my offer.
Chose to just not bother and bought something else on ebay.

[Cubs_rock21]

My favorite is when you ask for a price on an individual card in a lot and the seller says "Pm sent." Like it's some super top secret need to know basis info that cannot be exposed to the masses.

Lol common sense here my man, the PM sent is simply stated so the thread can be bumped

[Cubs_rock21]

think its more of a way to start the negotiations on the card. Would you really want to start talking about buying a card on some persons thread and someone else butts in saying they can go higher than you?

This.....

If a seller is working a deal in the PM's and offers a certain price to a buyer, it doesn't matter what is posted on the thread the PM'd price is the price that stands. So if I have a card for 100 and you offer 80 and I PM you that I will take 90, THAN someone instantaneously posts on the thread that they will take it. I have to honor the 90.00 I offered! OR that's how it should be.

[2000Doubles]

Somone had a thread like this recently where "for rules sake, all cards are $100 each obo so send me an offer". Person had 4 or 5 cards i wanted all which generally sell in the 5-10 range.

I REALLY wanted to offer him 10 cents a piece and say OK now you counter my offer.
Chose to just not bother and bought something else on ebay.

Pretty sure I saw the same thread and was also interested in a few cards. Decided to just ignore it and not waste my time.

[cking]

Like this one? Originally was $6000
http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/baseball-singles-buy-sell-trade/442171-bryce-harper-quotables-live-natitude.html

But OP must realize that even we good sellers have to put up with the scum of the hobby.

I will actually research what my items sell for. And what I will get after fees on Ebay and then offer at THAT price and 95 times out of 100 I get offers os 30% LESS or "What's your bottom price?"

Its almost impossible to sell on here because of that.

-James

I hate being lowballed as much as the next person. But, you can only be lowballed if you allow yourself to be lowballed. If someone sends me an insulting offer. I decline and put them on ignore. Some might find that extreme but I dont wanna deal with people like that. And trying to remember who the lowballers are on here would be a full time job in itself. I am grateful that money is not a huge issue in my life because if it was then I might be more inclined to accept a lowball offer.I have sold things for good prices on here before though as I am always looking to mix things up and if I am sick of a certin card I will let it go for cheap. When I started on here someone gave me some good advice and it really works. He told me that if money was not tight and you have no problem keeping a certin card then set a fair going market Ebay similar price and stick to it and dont cave or give in to lowballers. And if you have no attachment to the card then just dump it. This advice has worked well for me.

[ManInTheMirror]

It's usually them fellers with them "high-end" cards whom feel like the rules don't apply to them.

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/football-singles-buy-sell-trade/444527-ft-super-high-end-4-super-bowl-kaepernick-flacco-luck-rg3-manning-foster.html

[Ray27Ray52]

think its more of a way to start the negotiations on the card. Would you really want to start talking about buying a card on some persons thread and someone else butts in saying they can go higher than you?

That's not the way I do business. It's not very often that I am willing to break up a lot that I have for sale. If I was going to break it up when someone asked me for a price on an individual card I would post my price in the thread. They get first preference for that price since they inquired about the card. If they are no longer interested then the card is fair game for everyone at that price. Transparency is the only way I know how to do business.

[jlzinck]

. If someone sends me an insulting offer. I decline and put them on ignore.

See you are a better person than I.

If someone sends me a $30 offer on a $60 card I don't even respond:)!