Jay Cutler... Overrated?

[Rufusyo]

I give young QBs the benefit of the doubt most of the time. It just seems like this kid was annointed a little to early. He kills his team in the RZ, and just makes bad passes. Passes a rookie QB would make that they shouldnt.

I figured after hating on Jamarcus Russell for 8 weeks, I would smack Cutler around a little bit.

[Zacky1053]

The system doesn't help but that doesn't excuse silly mistakes like he's made so far today...

[iluvfish2]

Line is still needing some work, but Cutler is much like Farve. Great arm..but prone to making some bad decisions. Some days your on, others your off.

[Zacky1053]

Line is still needing some work, but Cutler is much like Farve. Great arm..but prone to making some bad decisions. Some days your on, others your off.

Right. He's not a fluke, he just makes too many bad decisions (throwing into coverage).

[bigroger1980]

just another example of a qb on a bad college team , that puts up big numbers and is drafted high,only to be overated

[Zacky1053]

just another example of a qb on a bad college team thats puts up big numbers and is drafted high only to be overated

Should be 13-0 Bears or so right now...instead they trail 7-3.

[bigroger1980]

Should be 13-0 Bears or so right now...instead they trail 7-3.

he throws to many picks

[Zacky1053]

he throws to many picks

Too many throws into coverage...

[bigroger1980]

Too many throws into coverage...

we all know thats what u get from these guys:eek:
alex smith
david carr, not very smart qb's

[Zacky1053]

we all know thats what u get from these guys:eek:
alex smith
david carr, not very smart qb's

The sad thing is Cutler has much more potential than Smith and Carr and he wastes it by throwing these picks...I'd say he's cost us at least 6 TD's this year...

[Zacky1053]

Cutler's QB rating is barely over 60.0 in the red zone this year.

[bigroger1980]

The sad thing is Cutler has much more potential than Smith and Carr and he wastes it by throwing these picks...I'd say he's cost us at least 6 TD's this year...

totaly agree! its just that these qb's who put up huge numbers on bad college teams and even on good ones in weak conference's are drafted high and only end up being bust and remembered for being part of a great college system , local hero brian brohm is a prime example for me, was a complete stud here, but was part of a great college coach and system , i was so pissed when he fell to the second round, and im watching some guy by the name of joe flacco from deleware :eek: get drafted higher and im thinking no way, flacco is a smart qb, not going to put up huge numbers, a biggie here and there and a bad one as well, but is smart and will win fb games

[Zacky1053]

Cutler clearly has a wicked arm, but you need both power and accuracy, and a lack of accuracy will override your power anyday because there are 11 defenders on every defense.

[gman71]

INT #3, he should have the INT lead by himself now,or is he still trailing Stafford?

[Zacky1053]

Bears take over on the SF 49...two plays then Cutler throws another pick. Unbelieveable...

[Rufusyo]

Ill give him a little credit for the last one. Hester ran into the ref as the replay shows. Still a lazy throw.

[Zacky1053]

The Bears' defense has actually been great minus the Gore TD run but Cutler's three picks are obviously the difference.

[cm80]

I don't think he's as overrated as people may think, he just doesn't have the supporting cast he had in denver. devin hester is a terrible receiver, if it wasn't for him making mistakes cutler would only have 1 pick.

[Zacky1053]

I don't think he's as overrated as people may think, he just doesn't have the supporting cast he had in denver. devin hester is a terrible receiver, if it wasn't for him making mistakes cutler would only have 1 pick.

You can't blame the receivers for so many poor throws though...

[cm80]

true, but look what he did last year with marshall and royal

[Zacky1053]

The defense has been HUGE for the Bears tonight...

[Zacky1053]

ANOTHER pick after the Bears get it at the 50. Wow...

[Rufusyo]

There is no question the kid has talent. That being said there is no question he makes a ton of poor throws too. For every pick you can blame on someone else, you can find a throw that he is lucky didn't get picked. I.E. That ball he threw sky high like he was playing 500 with some friends in the back yard.

[Zacky1053]

There is no question the kid has talent. That being said there is no question he makes a ton of poor throws too. For every pick you can blame on someone else, you can find a throw that he is lucky didn't get picked. I.E. That ball he threw sky high like he was playing 500 with some friends in the back yard.

The fact that the Bears are only down 4 right now is a freaking miracle...

[Rufusyo]

Yah, there defense has been great. Didn't Gould miss a field goal in the 1st qtr? Both of these defenses are very good. I think the 49ers are going to be a great team next year. They could very easily be 6-2 or better right now.

[Zacky1053]

Yah, there defense has been great. Didn't Gould miss a field goal in the 1st qtr? Both of these defenses are very good. I think the 49ers are going to be a great team next year. They could very easily be 6-2 or better right now.

No missed FG by Gould. Nedney for SF missed one.

[ohiomike]

Brandon Marshall & Eddie Royal >>>> Crappy Bears WR core

Cutler needs to make better decisions, but the Bears WR's are pretty terrible. When Devin Hester is your #1, you've got huge issues at the position. And I'm a Browns fan... I know terrible WR's very well.

[Zacky1053]

Illegal contact on 4th down...Bears have new life.

[Zacky1053]

1st down Bears at the 45...

[Zacky1053]

1st down at the 39 of SF! Need a TD.

[Zacky1053]

1st down Bears at the 22...(This is torture not being able to see it on TV)

[Rufusyo]

Just hope they score form there, they are doomed if they get in the red zone.

[gman71]

Cutler better by the entire defense a new car if the Bears pull this off

[BAMBAM]

This game is painful to watch. The guys in the booth suck especially the play by play guy with Millen. The officiating is as bad as the two teams. Every play has a flag it seems.

Boy the Bears dropped from elite to brutal fast. Their O-line and D-lines are terrible. Cutler looks frazzled and threw some passes that looked like he doesn't care who catches them. Talk about forcing balls.

[Zacky1053]

PICKED OFF

[Rufusyo]

DADADda Thats all folks.

[Zacky1053]

DADADda Thats all folks.

Heaven forbid Cutler redeem himself at all...

[gman71]

#5 is alive!

[Zacky1053]

#5 is alive!

18-play and 16-play drives end in picks...

[Rufusyo]

Heaven forbid Cutler redeem himself at all...

lol, ya. Are you a Chicago native, or just a bears fan?

[Zacky1053]

lol, ya. Are you a Chicago native, or just a bears fan?

Just an avid Bears' fan...that was just so demoralizing after going all that way...

[Zacky1053]

I can't wait for Cutler's press conference..."Umm...I was a bit off tonight". lol.

[Rufusyo]

I hear that. I am from Minnesota, and a Huge Vikings fans. That game reminded me of a lot of the games that Frerotte played in last year. Somehow, we still came out on top.

[BAMBAM]

Hey Jay, I think the Niners, everyone in the Stadium and everyone on this board know you're looking for Olsen in the red zone. Man those red zone passes over the middle into double coverage have to make Lovie want to kill that kid.

[Zacky1053]

EXTREME waste of a solid defensive effort...Also outgained them 350-216 on offense.

[Zacky1053]

Wow...Cutler apologizing to the defense right off the bat. He IS a man...

[mightbe]

I was busy sorting hockey cards so didn't watch much of it, but how can you throw for 300+ yards with 5 interceptions? Did they drive down the field and he'd cough it up everytime they got within the 20?

[Zacky1053]

I was busy sorting hockey cards so didn't watch much of it, but how can you throw for 300+ yards with 5 interceptions? Did they drive down the field and he'd cough it up everytime they got within the 20?

Two picks in the redzone...Granted one was at the end of the game, but just that first one in the redzone (at like the 2) cost us the TD that would've given us the win.

[BAMBAM]

4th and 10 from their own 20 with 2:31 left and three time outs and Lovie goes for it. I love that decision. Being an Eagles fan I'm sure Andy Reid would have punted:rolleyes:

[Zacky1053]

4th and 10 from their own 20 with 2:31 left and three time outs and Lovie goes for it. I love that decision. Being an Eagles fan I'm sure Andy Reid would have punted:rolleyes:

The Bears had 1 timeout at that point...

[Rufusyo]

Question for you guys in here. I am half tempted to start another thread but wont.

Would the Bears be a better team with Orton at QB?

[Zacky1053]

Cutler now has 11 picks in three night games this year. Lost by 6, 7 and 4. Easily could be 7-2...

[ohiomike]

Question for you guys in here. I am half tempted to start another thread but wont.

Would the Bears be a better team with Orton at QB?

No. They'd be the same team at best and more likely they'd be slightly worse.

[Zacky1053]

Question for you guys in here. I am half tempted to start another thread but wont.

Would the Bears be a better team with Orton at QB?

No because the Bears' management did not respect Orton. Also, I don't believe Orton could take this team on his back with the lack of running from Forte. At least Cutler makes enough big throws, but two/three picks for every game-winning drive. Read my previous post...

[topherkris1]

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[Zacky1053]

The Bears' O-Line is old and not very good, but Cutler still makes too many bad throws. He now has a 4 INT lead for the league lead. 18 picks in 16 games last year, he now has 17 this year in 9 games.

[topherkris1]

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[Zacky1053]

Honestly, this hurts more than all the other losses this season.

[cm80]

i don't care who you put in as qb in chicago, they're going to struggle. the o-line and receiver are beyond terrible. maybe the bears need to go back to rushing the ball like in previous years. matt forte is a great back but the o-line will kill this too i guess. oh well they can always look foward to a good draft pick next year if things don't get better

[Zacky1053]

i don't care who you put in as qb in chicago, they're going to struggle. the o-line and receiver are beyond terrible. maybe the bears need to go back to rushing the ball like in previous years. matt forte is a great back but the o-line will kill this too i guess. oh well they can always look foward to a good draft pick next year if things don't get better

No they can't...that pick goes to the Broncos...

[BAMBAM]

The Bears had 1 timeout at that point...
Said 3 on the screen ?

[topherkris1]

asdfasdfasdf

[Zacky1053]

Said 3 on the screen ?

Timeout #1 by CHI at 03:43.
Timeout #2 by CHI at 02:53.

[lrogge1979]

I think the bears need better receiver's need a attitude adjustment. To me it looked like the wide outs were not giving 100%. Not letting Cutler off the hook by any means but they could have won this game if the offense would have had a little more attitude or confidence. I'm sorry but Hester looked like a sad excuse a receiver tonight, falling down and running into a ref...i mean come on.

[Zacky1053]

I think the bears need better receiver's need a attitude adjustment. To me it looked like the wide outs were not giving 100%. Not letting Cutler off the hook by any means but they could have won this game if the offense would have had a little more attitude or confidence. I'm sorry but Hester looked like a sad excuse a receiver tonight, falling down and running into a ref...i mean come on.

Yeah, you have to run through the ref...

[mightbe]

Granted the O line is horrible but I'm still amazed at just how weak the running game is for the Bears. I was so excited knowing how Forte played last year when the Bears got Cutler.

[blackandgold]

4th and 10 from their own 20 with 2:31 left and three time outs and Lovie goes for it. I love that decision. Being an Eagles fan I'm sure Andy Reid would have punted:rolleyes:
Yah like he did in the 2006 Playoffs Division game against the Saints, wanted to personally thank him for that

[cdub6238]

i figured one of these threads would be started during/after the game

while i have stated before, i dont believe he is anywhere close to elite level in the NFL, he takes a lot of heat and criticizm where it is unwarranted

after watching most of the first half and the recaps...id say at least 3 of those INTs werent all his fault..one i saw clearly can be put on Hester (dont know if it was the one pointed out where he fell or ran into official, but if tose are 2 seperate ones then well there you go), the one at the end of the game he had to throw to end zone-that was a no-brainer play, and on one it was simply a great defensive play as the guy made a great read and simply beat the reciever to the ball

that said, i do belive he tens to force throws sometimes and am not making any excuses for his off field "diva" like attitude..but keep this in mind..this is only his 3rd year as a starter correct..

Player A 700/1107 62.3% 7973 yards 51 TDs 32 Ints
Player B 821/1489 55.1% 9974 yards 59 TDS 51 Ints
Player C 842/1421 62.7% 10371 yards 59 TDS 49 Ints

any guesses?

A-Joe Montana, B-John Elway, C-Jay Cutler
these are the stats for the first 3 seasons AS STARTERS..and Cutler hasnt even finished his 3rd season as starter (stats including tonights game)

so looks like hes definately on pace for a great career..i mean come on 3 seasons..give him a break..not to mention he has-what was it diabetes?

and to compare him to Alex Smith or David Carr..for one to call them busts or not smart QBs is not completely their fault...Carr had no OL and was getting sacked/hurried/hit every other play, and Smith has been through how many coaches/OCs/Offensive schemes since he was drafted?

[mma138]

this guy will never be as successful as the other jay cutler

[56LightsOut56]

As a San Diego fan I have been able to see alot of Jay Cutler and all I can say is if you liked Jeff George you'll like Jay Cutler.....Arrogance is the worst flaw you can have in any team sport you can have all the physical talent in the world but arrogance will make you mediocre at best in most team sports

[antthebody]

he seems to find the Biggest belly in the middle of field and shoots into the abyss:mad::(

[Zacky1053]

he seems to find the Biggest belly in the middle of field and shoots into the abyss:mad::(

Yes, some of his picks last night were on his receivers, but the two key ones in the red zone were forced. My guess on that last play is that Cutler didn't think he'd get another play in so he forced it instead of throwing it through the end zone.

[cdub6238]

As a San Diego fan I have been able to see alot of Jay Cutler and all I can say is if you liked Jeff George you'll like Jay Cutler.....Arrogance is the worst flaw you can have in any team sport you can have all the physical talent in the world but arrogance will make you mediocre at best in most team sports

wow Jeff George huh..what a comparison..and arrogance? your kidding me right??

i agree this past offseason could have been handled a lot better..but arrogance?? he was only the starter in Denver for 2 years and had some decent success-most of the problem was with the Defense and not the Offense, in comes this new coach-a first time head coach mind you-and he heavily pursues Matt Cassel because he was his guy on his last team..you saying hedidnt have a right to be a lil pissed off and request a trade?? Again it couldve been handled better but come on man

but i guess as a Chargers fan its quick to stick someone else with being arrogant...like Phillip Rivers taunting and mocking Cutler during their game against each other, or how bout Mr. Shawne "I must do my stupid Lights Out dance after EVERY tackle or sack" Merriman
andi guess after thegame where he actually took responsibility and apologized for his mistakes/effort was being arrogant as well huh

anyways as for your Jeff George reference..

George after 3 seasons- 874/1198 72.9% 7399 yards 25 TDs 32 Ints
Cutler as i pointed out already- 892/1421 62.7% 10,376 59 TDs 49 Ints

so obviously George had a better completion %, but Cutler has less completions for 2977 more yards, 34 more TDs and only 17 more Ints and hes not even finished his 3rd season yet...yeah great comparison

guess my Elway and Montana comparison wasnt good enough..

Aikman- 765/1235 61.9% 8778 yards 45 TDs 42 Ints
Marino-1076/1754 61.3 % 13,067 yards 122 TDs 61 Ints
Peyton Manning-1014/1679 60.3% 12,287 yards 85 TDs 58 Ints
Kurt Warner- 935/1392 62.6% 12,612 yards 98 TDs 53 Ints

anybody else??
i know stats are just empty stats or whatever you wanna say or argue..but how long did it take all these guys to win divison titles and Super Bowl rings??

the kid obviously needs to grow up some, but writing him off as Jeff George, Alex Smith, David Carr after 3 years is a joke...

[oldgoldy97]

Get him a couple quality receivers, not just projects like Hester and Bennett, and Culter will be fine.

[Zacky1053]

Get him a couple quality receivers, not just projects like Hester and Bennett, and Culter will be fine.

They may have been past their prime, but Marvin Harrison and Torry Holt were both available in the offseason (Harrison still if he wants to play). Their mentoring alone could've paid big dividends IMO...

[oldgoldy97]

Harrison would still be the best WR on their team if they signed him tomorrow. At this point, though, the Bears might think they're out of the playoff picture anyway.

[Zacky1053]

Harrison would still be the best WR on their team if they signed him tomorrow. At this point, though, the Bears might think they're out of the playoff picture anyway.

If they wouldn't consider him coming into the season, I agree. Too late to do anything now. They still have two with Minnesota, one with Philly, and they have to go to Baltimore and play GB at home.

[bigroger1980]

it all boils down to the topic of this post , yes he is overated

[Zacky1053]

it all boils down to the topic of this post , yes he is overated

I'll be the first to admit I disregarded all the talk before the season that even being Jay Cutler, he would still struggle with our lack of quality receivers. That, along with numerous bad passes along the way, not to mention our defensive struggles (minus last night), those Wild Card hopes are on the absolute edge right now.

[bigroger1980]

he still struggled with better recivers at denver

[Zacky1053]

Stats clearly are not everything. Jay Cutler has passed for 275 yards or more in four games this season. Every one of them a loss. He also has a 6-12 TD-INT ratio in those four games. It's Jekyll and Hyde for Cutler. He's been great at home, and horrible on the road.