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Niels50
02-24-2013, 10:35 PM
What do you think?

uberfatty
02-24-2013, 10:41 PM
what were the terms of payment? Has the buyer contacted you or responded to your messages?

Rarely is a situation black or white, so you should probably give more information before a proper decision could be made.

Niels50
02-24-2013, 10:45 PM
Buyer and i complete a deal for $400 PayPal. I say payment needs to be sent by 12 am last night. I tell him if that doesnt work then we dont have to make a deal. He says "No Problem". He requests a PayPal invoice to his friends email address for paypal because they were splitting the items. The Invoice then goes undpaid and he blames his friend, and that hes the middle man and that if i leave a negative he is: Direct Quote.

"Leave me a negative and i will put you on blast on this forum. How dare you threaten me. You have been a pain since the start. You think you can bully me around? You are nothing but a little kid who doesnt know the first thing about being professional. Go ahead. Dont think you wont get one in return. This forum has too many kids like you screwing it up. Now please leave me alone. "

uberfatty
02-24-2013, 10:56 PM
Buyer and i complete a deal for $400 PayPal. I say payment needs to be sent by 12 am last night. I tell him if that doesnt work then we dont have to make a deal. He says "No Problem". He requests a PayPal invoice to his friends email address for paypal because they were splitting the items. The Invoice then goes undpaid and he blames his friend, and that hes the middle man and that if i leave a negative he is: Direct Quote.

"Leave me a negative and i will put you on blast on this forum. How dare you threaten me. You have been a pain since the start. You think you can bully me around? You are nothing but a little kid who doesnt know the first thing about being professional. Go ahead. Dont think you wont get one in return. This forum has too many kids like you screwing it up. Now please leave me alone. "

If that is truly the whole story, then yes that deserves a negative and you should go ahead and give one. The buyer agreed to terms, didn't follow through on those terms, and doesn't seem to even care. Neg worthy, easy.

Before you leave any negative though, be sure to PM a mod with an explanation for why you are doing so, with as much detail as possible and not leaving out anything that wuold be relevant. That will make getting rid of the retaliatory feedback much easier and quicker.

Niels50
02-24-2013, 10:58 PM
If that is truly the whole story, then yes that deserves a negative and you should go ahead and give one. The buyer agreed to terms, didn't follow through on those terms, and doesn't seem to even care. Neg worthy, easy.

Before you leave any negative though, be sure to PM a mod with an explanation for why you are doing so, with as much detail as possible and not leaving out anything that wuold be relevant. That will make getting rid of the retaliatory feedback much easier and quicker.

Thank You. This is the truth as i see it. I mean i explained everything the best i could even though our back and forth messages with quoting totaled over 5000 words :eek: So everything and the terms of the deal were fully explained. I am pming Fish right now.

Strasburg
02-24-2013, 11:00 PM
Who is this member so i can be careful.

Srt42004n
02-24-2013, 11:01 PM
well Id say he had no intentions...neutral him.

Niels50
02-24-2013, 11:05 PM
PMed Fish. Should i name the member? I mean when i talk to Fish and leave feedback you could see?

armyatc22
02-24-2013, 11:05 PM
Who is this member so i can be careful.

I would like to know also

uberfatty
02-24-2013, 11:07 PM
Thank You. This is the truth as i see it. I mean i explained everything the best i could even though our back and forth messages with quoting totaled over 5000 words :eek: So everything and the terms of the deal were fully explained. I am pming Fish right now.

5000 words? Not accusing you of anything, but I can totally see how the quote you posted may be out of context, and a response to something else that you may have said to him. Context matters, and if you have been going back and forth so much then the whole story doesn't appear to be given here.

Niels50
02-24-2013, 11:14 PM
Well he pmed me multiple times when i was away from the computer and we had a bunch of back and forth on price and explanation on what i had and what he wanted. I could copy and paste every message? Might take me awhile?

LeonfromNC
02-24-2013, 11:38 PM
It is me. I am the middle man for this deal. I honestly can say this has been the worst headache I have ever had to deal with on this forum. This seller has been unprofessional from the start. I have never dealt with anyone so pushy and now impatient in my life.

From the start, this seller tells me these items are a hot commodity so he will not hold them for anyone and he usually charge people just to hold them. He then tells me if I'm thinking about offering him $100 for these gloves to not even bother contacting him anymore. I spent too much time going back and forth as the middle man and contacting my friend in Virginia while I am away visiting my family in Arizona this whole time. I sent my friend the pics and he said he wanted 3 pairs of gloves. I let the seller know he said ok, my friend offers $500 and the seller says ok which gloves again and I tell him. It then takes a day for the seller to get back to me and the seller then says I don't have one of the gloves anymore so how much for the other two. My friend offers $400 and the seller says no $450 is lowest he can go. I say ok fine, we will walk because my friend only wants to spend $400. I tell my friend the seller won't budge because he wants $450. My friend then says I only will do $400. Seller then waits a day and emails me back and says how about $425 gift payment? I say no way, seller tells me basically its my loss and then I thought ok no deal. Another day passes and seller says ok I will do $400 but you have until midnight tonight to pay. No Paypal address was left to send payment. I then have to wait another day and I tell the seller to send an invoice to my friend's email and then I contacted my friend saying the seller said he would go to $400. My friend then starts to have second thoughts saying he doesn't like how we had to go back and forth especially when the seller was pressing us the whole time. I told my friend invoice is sent and he expects payment by midnight or deal is off, I told my friend I want out of this, it's been a pain in the rear just to get this far. My friend never pays.

So here we are. I tried to summarize this in a nutshell and honestly I get 50-100 emails a day and I could not keep all 50 or so of our e-mails because my inbox kept getting full.

I have learned that I should never serve as the middle man for another deal every again.
At this point, I'm tired of having to deal with this and and I'm tired of the seller emailing me 10 times a day and now threatening me with a negative.

So I told him, do what you got to do. I just want him to leave me alone.

Niels50
02-24-2013, 11:46 PM
Heres my answer to what is posted in order and i have messages proving this:

I never once said i would charge to hold something i clearly stated no holds.

Exact quote from me regarding Gift. "Yeah i mean i need $450 cause i have to ship sig. dc and insurance uless you send gift which im not forcing."

And to his last line this is 2 direct quotes from him:

"Leave me a negative and i will put you on blast on this forum. How dare you threaten me. You have been a pain since the start. You think you can bully me around? You are nothing but a little kid who doesnt know the first thing about being professional. Go ahead. Dont think you wont get one in return. This forum has too many kids like you screwing it up. Now please leave me alone. "

"Do what you gotta do kiddo. Do you know how difficult you were hassling me over this deal? I dont care what you do just leave me alone. I was trying to do something nice for a friend and now i have you as a headache to deal with. Its kids like you that make me want to leave this site alone for good. Oh and dont think you wont have a negative coming in return... your choice; leave it alone or open the flood gates. I will make sure no one ever deals with you again... this is the last response. I will ask one final time, please leave me alone."

jerryw
02-24-2013, 11:53 PM
i hear the middle of the interstate is a great place to play..........

Niels50
02-24-2013, 11:58 PM
i hear the middle of the interstate is a great place to play..........

haha get out of here with your 2xx posts haha.

LeonfromNC
02-25-2013, 12:00 AM
Exact quote from me regarding Gift. "Yeah i mean i need $450 cause i have to ship sig. dc and insurance uless you send gift which im not forcing."



FALSE, you told me that you would sell at $425, if I paid "gift".

Niels50
02-25-2013, 12:03 AM
Nope direct quote from messages ill screen shoot it?

DannyShakes
02-25-2013, 12:07 AM
If I may. Op should place middle man on the ignore list and middle man put op on the ignore list and call it quit's
Sounds like a huge waste of both of your times.

Niels50
02-25-2013, 12:07 AM
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/339/65764005.png/


Might need to click on the picture to see it i had to zoom out to get his and my name in there and the message.

DannyShakes
02-25-2013, 12:08 AM
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Picture doesn't work.

Edit: it does but can't see it clear enough to read it

Tyler
02-25-2013, 12:10 AM
MetDude would classify this as a B-B transaction.

LeonfromNC
02-25-2013, 12:11 AM
If I may. Op should place middle man on the ignore list and middle man put op on the ignore list and call it quit's
Sounds like a huge waste of both of your times.

I couldnt agree more, but it looks like this guy wants to drag it out. Im just tired of trying to defend myself when all i was trying to do is be something nice for a friend and serve as the middle man to all of this.

LeonfromNC
02-25-2013, 12:12 AM
MetDude would classify this as a B-B transaction.

Im afraid to ask what that is, but I guess I just did, lol.

xbignick
02-25-2013, 12:16 AM
Just put each other on ignore and never deal with each other again. Niels appears to have some unusual selling practices, but it seems no deal was ever fully in place (rather, for that price I can hold it until midnight if you pay), and there was poor communication (maybe caused by too much) throughout...I wouldn't say this prevents anyone from dealing with any of you but you obviously do not get along and should not communicate after this is solved.

Niels50
02-25-2013, 12:16 AM
http://imageshack.us/a/img27/7109/32683549.png

MI Rob
02-25-2013, 12:19 AM
Drop the neg, add middle man to your ignore list, and move along.

Tyler
02-25-2013, 12:26 AM
Im afraid to ask what that is, but I guess I just did, lol.

Why have so many people gotten so stupid?

http://wisdomwebsite.com/wp-content/uploads/iq_bell_curve.gif

16% of the US population has an IQ of 85 or less.
Blowouts member base is a large enough sample size to assume this also applies to members here.

If one also assumes that 85 is the cutoff for
"common sense when trading and buying on line"

There are 4 possible combinations
AA - Both parties above 85 IQ = 70.56% of all deals
AB - Party A above 85 IQ Party B Below 85 IQ = 13.44% of all deals
BA - Party B above 85 IQ Party A Below 85 IQ = 13.44% of all deals
BB - Both parties below 85 IQ = 2.56% of all deals

So just under 3 out of every 10 deals made will include at least 1 party with no common sense.

He knows his stuff.

Niels50
02-25-2013, 12:27 AM
Drop the neg, add middle man to your ignore list, and move along.

But retaliatory neg?

DannyShakes
02-25-2013, 12:29 AM
But retaliatory neg?

It's not even neg worthy.

smackvay
02-25-2013, 12:32 AM
Two sides to every story and i think you are both telling the truth id move on as its all out their now. and no fdback from either party

LeonfromNC
02-25-2013, 12:32 AM
He knows his stuff.

Wow thanks for breaking that down to me... i think? Lol

Wait that means... oh. Yikes, didnt want to fall into that category...

MI Rob
02-25-2013, 12:34 AM
But retaliatory neg?

You gave clear guidelines on when you should receive payment. A $450 transaction and the guy screws around with payment. Mods should remove a retaliatory if he is that immature to give you one.

Niels50
02-25-2013, 12:34 AM
You see the screen shot message leon? No response? You accused me of lieing.

Niels50
02-25-2013, 12:40 AM
http://imageshack.us/a/img23/5346/80886533.png

LeonfromNC
02-25-2013, 12:51 AM
Like i said do what you gotta do kiddo, its really gotten to a point that its not that serious anymore...

What did you exactly lose here? Its not like you were holding these gloves for someone else. Are you out of $400 because of me? We have both wasted more than enough time with this (i think me more than you) and I see right now you will not let this go. You claim these are hot items and they will sell fast so why dont you just sell them and keep it moving? My friend offered $400, you said no he moved on. YOU are the one who kept coming back day after day emailing me trying to make a deal...

I got a flight to catch in the morning, im done with this. Please whatever you decide to do just do it already so I can put this unpleasant experience behind me...

All i ask if the mods are reading this is to please consider putting an age limit on the kids on these forums. It would make things so much more cordial and professional here.

The seller has their picture on their profile so I already know im dealing with a young adult here... *sigh*

Niels50
02-25-2013, 01:34 AM
I dont think dealing with a young adult has anything to do with it. We agreed on a deal, amount, items, and time frame to pay you didn't complete your end. Please dont generalize all young adults on this forum.

RBKSNIPZ
02-25-2013, 02:30 AM
I dont think dealing with a young adult has anything to do with it. We agreed on a deal, amount, items, and time frame to pay you didn't complete your end. Please dont generalize all young adults on this forum.

+1 preach for us bud.

cking
02-25-2013, 04:47 AM
Not taking sides but it clearly shows in the screen shot that he asked for his paypal addy.I know this is only my opinion but I gotta ask all the people who are gonna say no deal was made because no money exchanged hands this question Why would someone ask for another persons paypal addy if no deal was in place?

MI Rob
02-25-2013, 04:54 AM
Like i said do what you gotta do kiddo, its really gotten to a point that its not that serious anymore...

What did you exactly lose here? Its not like you were holding these gloves for someone else. Are you out of $400 because of me? We have both wasted more than enough time with this (i think me more than you) and I see right now you will not let this go. You claim these are hot items and they will sell fast so why dont you just sell them and keep it moving? My friend offered $400, you said no he moved on. YOU are the one who kept coming back day after day emailing me trying to make a deal...

I got a flight to catch in the morning, im done with this. Please whatever you decide to do just do it already so I can put this unpleasant experience behind me...

All i ask if the mods are reading this is to please consider putting an age limit on the kids on these forums. It would make things so much more cordial and professional here.

The seller has their picture on their profile so I already know im dealing with a young adult here... *sigh*

The young adult here didn't do anything wrong. You are the one who wasted the OP's time. You had a deal in place and screwed around. Why did you ask for his Paypal address, after he set a time frame, if you weren't going to have money sent?

NonSportsCardForum
02-25-2013, 05:52 AM
The young adult here didn't do anything wrong. You are the one who wasted the OP's time. You had a deal in place and screwed around. Why did you ask for his Paypal address, after he set a time frame, if you weren't going to have money sent?

This.........................

jlzinck
02-25-2013, 07:12 AM
What do you think?

I think you are 15 years old and cannot enter into a legal contract.

Sean1125
02-25-2013, 08:34 AM
haha get out of here with your 2xx posts haha.

I was somewhat sympathizing with you until this post...

You are judging someone on 'post count', I really hope you are under the age of 18...

JonMead
02-25-2013, 08:57 AM
I'm with op on this one. If I set a time frame items and send Paypal after you ask for it. I will leave a neg and block him. Doesn't matter if he is only 15. If you ask for PayPal deal is in place End of story

armyatc22
02-25-2013, 10:04 AM
I was somewhat sympathizing with you until this post...

You are judging someone on 'post count', I really hope you are under the age of 18...

Hahaha I love this response cause the op has such a high post count himself ohhh wait 9xx ;)

Niels50
02-25-2013, 10:13 AM
I was somewhat sympathizing with you until this post...

You are judging someone on 'post count', I really hope you are under the age of 18...

Did you even read his comment? Thought it was pretty uncalled for.

Clarka3
02-25-2013, 10:55 AM
drop the neg. while I can sympathize with the guy in this case being a middle-man and not having full control, there was still a deal decided upon.

I brokered a deal for a friend, and if he #@#@#@#@s around it's on me. Hence why i called him a few times to make sure he did everything right to handle his end so I'm not left holding the bag.

wegoingsizzler
02-25-2013, 11:34 AM
No offense to you, but the statement you made sounds very arrogant...

Regardless of they are hot items or how a young "kid" persuaded you to make a deal.. the bottom line was you MADE a deal... simple as that.. regardless if you are the middleman and tried to do something nice for your friend...

Price agreed - Checked
Payment terms agreed - Checked
Invoice (paypal adress) sent - Checked

That sounds like a deal was made to me. I can care less what tactics the seller used (not implying anything here)... You and your friend made the deal.. You don't want to honor it, then you deserve a neg feedback.. then to threaten him with a neg in return is just sad... You talk about the OP being a "kid", the only "kid" I see in the deal is you!!



Like i said do what you gotta do kiddo, its really gotten to a point that its not that serious anymore...

What did you exactly lose here? Its not like you were holding these gloves for someone else. Are you out of $400 because of me? We have both wasted more than enough time with this (i think me more than you) and I see right now you will not let this go. You claim these are hot items and they will sell fast so why dont you just sell them and keep it moving? My friend offered $400, you said no he moved on. YOU are the one who kept coming back day after day emailing me trying to make a deal...

I got a flight to catch in the morning, im done with this. Please whatever you decide to do just do it already so I can put this unpleasant experience behind me...

All i ask if the mods are reading this is to please consider putting an age limit on the kids on these forums. It would make things so much more cordial and professional here.

The seller has their picture on their profile so I already know im dealing with a young adult here... *sigh*

JamiMadrox
02-25-2013, 01:26 PM
This ++++++++



No offense to you, but the statement you made sounds very arrogant...

Regardless of they are hot items or how a young "kid" persuaded you to make a deal.. the bottom line was you MADE a deal... simple as that.. regardless if you are the middleman and tried to do something nice for your friend...

Price agreed - Checked
Payment terms agreed - Checked
Invoice (paypal adress) sent - Checked

That sounds like a deal was made to me. I can care less what tactics the seller used (not implying anything here)... You and your friend made the deal.. You don't want to honor it, then you deserve a neg feedback.. then to threaten him with a neg in return is just sad... You talk about the OP being a "kid", the only "kid" I see in the deal is you!!

cking
02-25-2013, 01:42 PM
Price agreed - Checked
Payment terms agreed - Checked
Invoice (paypal adress) sent - Checked



You would be shocked how many people on this forum will still say no deal was in place until money exchanges hands. If someone truly feels a deal is not agreed upon until money exchanges hands,they are basically saying its ok to say you will take something and not pay.

Niels50
02-25-2013, 06:38 PM
Negative has been left with a link to this thread. If he gives me a retalitory then i hope a mod can remove it, with me showing the screenshots in this thread.

Niels50
02-26-2013, 04:53 PM
I have yet to receive a retaliatory neg from the member.

jlzinck
02-26-2013, 05:20 PM
I have yet to receive a retaliatory neg from the member.

So are you asking for one?:confused:

Niels50
02-27-2013, 12:04 AM
So are you asking for one?:confused:

No. Hasn't been on since the night i gave him one for backing out. I am not wanting, but i wouldn't put it past him. Thanks for reading the thread to watch out for him!

MetDude
03-01-2013, 01:05 PM
MetDude would classify this as a B-B transaction.

#chickendinner

LOL :)!

Niels50
03-01-2013, 06:25 PM
#chickendinner

LOL :)!

B-B? Cute hashtag. You know how those work right? Its so you can click on them and see what others have posted with the same hashtag.