Trout and the Angels

[jason122883]

So, he's not happy losing his CF spot to Bourjos(sp?) and now they renew his contract and give him a hefty 20k raise, putting him at 510k for the year. I understand without being arb eligible until 2014 you dont need to pay the man 20 million a year. His agent is speaking out, so obviously he is pissed off about it. Why not give the guy 2-3 mil this year. Doesn't hurt your ball club, keeps the guy happy. I just don't see the point in not doing everything you can to keep him happy

[MarshallCutler6]

Well the Bourjos choice is easy, he is a better fielder. As for the money issue, it may be a lets see if you can do it again situation. If he has another good year, you pay him, but if he was a one hit wonder, you didnt overpay for him. Not a great idea, but I can understand where they are coming from.

[dunkking34]

Looks like the Angels are going back to their old ways. Nothing like pissing off the fan favorite. He WILL be going to the Yankees in 2014 if the Angels keep dumping on him.

[MarshallCutler6]

Looks like the Angels are going back to their old ways. Nothing like pissing off the fan favorite. He WILL be going to the Yankees in 2014 if the Angels keep dumping on him.

No chance. They are already trying to stay under the Luxury tax and keep Cano as it is.

[jason122883]

Well, he is under their control until 2017. But, no reason not to keep him happy. He may not have another season like he did last year. But no way he tanks so bad that you look bad for paying him at least 2-3 mil this season

[IamRalpho]

Looks like the Angels are going back to their old ways. Nothing like pissing off the fan favorite. He WILL be going to the Yankees in 2014 if the Angels keep dumping on him.

Impossible since hes not a FA for another 6 years.

The Angels should have paid more, but do you blame them? They arnet required to do so and theres nothing Trout can do, hes a few years away from arbitration.

Sucks but oh well.

[yankee_pride]

Trout is coming across as one of those spoiled little brats who tasted a little bit of success and now thinks they belong with the elite in the game who've been doing what he did last year for a decade or more.

He came into camp grossly out of shape and with this playboy/party attitude about him like everyone should be honored to be around him. It's clear he spent the majority of the off season partying it up and hooking up with the ladies and not worrying about the season ahead.

Guess Josh Hamilton is wearing off on him pretty good.

[VWBUS1978]

Why don't they just give him a performance bonus for last year?

He does it again... Another bonus or lock him up for 5 years with a nice contract.

[duwal]

So, he's not happy losing his CF spot to Bourjos(sp?) and now they renew his contract and give him a hefty 20k raise, putting him at 510k for the year. I understand without being arb eligible until 2014 you dont need to pay the man 20 million a year. His agent is speaking out, so obviously he is pissed off about it. Why not give the guy 2-3 mil this year. Doesn't hurt your ball club, keeps the guy happy. I just don't see the point in not doing everything you can to keep him happy


because that is not how it works. After a few seasons the players will get paid fairly but they have to prove themselves more than just one season. Tim Lincecum won the Cy Young in his first full season and his salary went from 405k to 650k. All a player has to do is be patient and consistant and the money will come if they prove themselves

[VWBUS1978]

Trout is coming across as one of those spoiled little brats who tasted a little bit of success and now thinks they belong with the elite in the game who've been doing what he did last year for a decade or more.

He came into camp grossly out of shape and with this playboy/party attitude about him like everyone should be honored to be around him. It's clear he spent the majority of the off season partying it up and hooking up with the ladies and not worrying about the season ahead.

Guess Josh Hamilton is wearing off on him pretty good.

He's no Alex Rodriguez though... Not yet anyway.

[IamRalpho]

Trout is coming across as one of those spoiled little brats who tasted a little bit of success and now thinks they belong with the elite in the game who've been doing what he did last year for a decade or more.

He came into camp grossly out of shape and with this playboy/party attitude about him like everyone should be honored to be around him. It's clear he spent the majority of the off season partying it up and hooking up with the ladies and not worrying about the season ahead.

Guess Josh Hamilton is wearing off on him pretty good.

So many wrong and inappropriate assumptions in this post. Wow.

[death2redemptions]

Trout is coming across as one of those spoiled little brats who tasted a little bit of success and now thinks they belong with the elite in the game who've been doing what he did last year for a decade or more.

He came into camp grossly out of shape and with this playboy/party attitude about him like everyone should be honored to be around him. It's clear he spent the majority of the off season partying it up and hooking up with the ladies and not worrying about the season ahead.

Guess Josh Hamilton is wearing off on him pretty good.

And where did you get this information? Any links? Or are you just assuming because you don't like him?

[yankee_pride]

Based off interviews I've seen so far. Totally different attitude than the guy we saw last year.

[IamRalpho]

Based off interviews I've seen so far. Totally different attitude than the guy we saw last year.

Good call, I got the same impression from about 4 minutes of cut up interviews. Guy is obviously mailing it in this year, focused on the ladies and the donuts.

I am glad you and I both got the same assumptions from those interviews, that arguably the best young player in baseball now doesnt give a damn anymore.

Come on

[bkovach06]

Well, he is under their control until 2017. But, no reason not to keep him happy. He may not have another season like he did last year. But no way he tanks so bad that you look bad for paying him at least 2-3 mil this season

exactly, theres a lot of players making that much that weren't even close to his stats, i dont see what's wrong with 2 mil a year


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[WCTYSON]

Based off interviews I've seen so far. Totally different attitude than the guy we saw last year.

Good call, I got the same impression from about 4 minutes of cut up interviews. Guy is obviously mailing it in this year, focused on the ladies and the donuts.

I am glad you and I both got the same assumptions from those interviews, that arguably the best young player in baseball now doesnt give a damn anymore.

Come on

Too funny. Ever notice that when you are successful or exceed expectations that some people build up an impossible wall that can not be scaled. What you saw last year was just the first full season of a player that will go down in history as one of the best ever. Just be quite and admire the young man's accomplishments in the future, instead of trying to break down someone who you know nothing about fanboy.

[wwejhardyrox]

Trout is coming across as one of those spoiled little brats who tasted a little bit of success and now thinks they belong with the elite in the game who've been doing what he did last year for a decade or more.

He came into camp grossly out of shape and with this playboy/party attitude about him like everyone should be honored to be around him. It's clear he spent the majority of the off season partying it up and hooking up with the ladies and not worrying about the season ahead.

Guess Josh Hamilton is wearing off on him pretty good.
From what I've heard he had been working out and gained weight in muscle...

[WCTYSON]

From what I've heard he had been working out and gained weight in muscle...

That is what a lot of players do now. They put on the pounds in the off season and as the season goes along the toll of travel, playing 150+ games takes that weight and then some off. The GM stated it is an attempt, with the training staff mind you, to have Trout hold longer into the season while playing at a high level.

[JustinVerlander07]

Trout is underpaid, but so where many others who had less than 3 years service time. Besides, it doesn't do the Angels any good to give him a huge raise, all it will do is force them to pay more as he reaches arbitration, and regardless what sort of raise they would give him, it won't help them when they eventually want to re-sign him as a free agent, or to keep him off the free agent market.

[armyatc22]

All I'm hearing is that both sides were too far apart aka Trout wanted too much

To be barely making a little over the league minimum is just crazy though

[houseofcards]

Leave it to the Yankee guy to cast stones from a glass house....lol

[coltsnsox07]

Angels $154.9 million in payroll this year, Trout's 510K is a ridiculously tiny portion of it!

[RedSoxFan28]

They should offer him a 15 Year/ $400 Million contract :p

[hohlernr]

It's laughable if you think the Angels should pay him more. Will Pujols give them money back when he's underperfoming his contract in a couple years?

It's not like Trout is struggling to put food on the table. I'm sure he's made a small fortune in signing autographs and endorsements.

[dthimesch]

That is what a lot of players do now. They put on the pounds in the off season and as the season goes along the toll of travel, playing 150+ games takes that weight and then some off. The GM stated it is an attempt, with the training staff mind you, to have Trout hold longer into the season while playing at a high level.

Delmon Young does the complete opposite.

[squirtr]

If he has another good plus year. Then the Angels will look at a longoria type extension with him.
But to have your agent start waving the dirty laundry a month before you break camp with the angels fir the FIRST time, seems a little premadonna. Why so you guys think that Harper got called when he did? Why trout got called when he did? Less service time=team control for longer.

[corockies]

I'm sure if half a million dollars isn't enough money to take care of all of Trouts expenses for the year Pujols or Hamilton can cut him a loan till next year.

[jmscoggin]

As a 30+ year Angels fan and a huge Trout fan I am extremely disappointed. I can't help but think that this cheapness now will cost the Angels way way more down the road. Even giving a $250k raise would have done wonders here for good will with not only Trout but other Angels players and future free agents.

This was beyond stupid and short sighted in my opinion. I agree with not doing the long term deal until he puts up another good year to show his true ability. But, with the numbers and ticket sales he has generated last year and I am sure this year he deserved way way more.

[WCTYSON]

Delmon Young does the complete opposite.

Poor D. Young. :( He works hard at it too.

As a 30+ year Angels fan and a huge Trout fan I am extremely disappointed. I can't help but think that this cheapness now will cost the Angels way way more down the road. Even giving a $250k raise would have done wonders here for good will with not only Trout but other Angels players and future free agents.

This was beyond stupid and short sighted in my opinion. I agree with not doing the long term deal until he puts up another good year to show his true ability. But, with the numbers and ticket sales he has generated last year and I am sure this year he deserved way way more.

Right on point. Cheap move by the Angels that will cost them 10 fold in the long term. It was not Pujols or any other big name last year that was the main player fans paid to see. It was Trout and will be this season too. He made a ton of revenue for the Angels, but instead they are using that to pay off owed debits to other players.

[stera8]

From everything I hear from a friend of his family, trout is a good guy. If I was the best player in the league for just one year, I would want to make at least a mil. The whole he walks around like he's been around for 10 is garbage talk. When jeter had his one down year EVERYBODY thought he should take a huge pay cut even after all of his years

As for the weight... A 20, 21 year old kid...remember that. Not 25 or 28 but 21... Whether it is fat or muscle, weight loss is very easy for people that age

[duwal]

Poor D. Young. :( He works hard at it too.



Right on point. Cheap move by the Angels that will cost them 10 fold in the long term. It was not Pujols or any other big name last year that was the main player fans paid to see. It was Trout and will be this season too. He made a ton of revenue for the Angels, but instead they are using that to pay off owed debits to other players.


What people aren't getting is that this isn't personal and its wrong for anyone in Trout's camp to try and make it look that way. This is how it is for EVERYONE, no matter what their stats are.

People mention Pujols, he didn't make money from his contract until his 4th year. Rookie of the year first year, 2nd in MVP voting his second year and his third year he was paid 900,000.

Miguel Cabrera didn't get paid over 500,000 a season until his 5TH year despite being a repeat allstar and top 5 MVP vote getter.

Its like that for EVERYONE so why should Trout be getting preferential treatment over other stars?

[jmscoggin]

What people aren't getting is that this isn't personal and its wrong for anyone in Trout's camp to try and make it look that way. This is how it is for EVERYONE, no matter what their stats are.

People mention Pujols, he didn't make money from his contract until his 4th year. Rookie of the year first year, 2nd in MVP voting his second year and his third year he was paid 900,000.

Miguel Cabrera didn't get paid over 500,000 a season until his 5TH year despite being a repeat allstar and top 5 MVP vote getter.

Its like that for EVERYONE so why should Trout be getting preferential treatment over other stars?

Call it a good faith down payment towards a long term extension. A little tiny bit of money up front to save a ton in the long run. Would it have any effect on Trout's willing to do a discounted deal at that time? Who knows but it sure couldn't hurt but this can. He has made the team millions upon millions in ticket sales which leads to increased concessions and parking plus a ton of memorabilia sales. I personally have three Trout t-shirts (yes, I am a dork). What would $150-250 k more have hurt?

I don't get that it sets a bad precedent. Even if the Angels are right and that is true that would be a fantastic problem to have. If they have a line up of guys winning ROY awards and in line for MVP awards than go ahead and do it for them too. Luckily with the Angels farm system that won't be a problem so just pay the man and tell the other guys to shut up and earn it. Trout definately did plus way more.

[dasiegel]

I just don't see the logic in it though. No matter what people got in the past in his situation, do you really want your young star to have hard feeling about the organization he plays for? Bad move in my book, but we'll see if he repeats his performance.

[BigEd]

What people aren't getting is that this isn't personal and its wrong for anyone in Trout's camp to try and make it look that way. This is how it is for EVERYONE, no matter what their stats are.

People mention Pujols, he didn't make money from his contract until his 4th year. Rookie of the year first year, 2nd in MVP voting his second year and his third year he was paid 900,000.

Miguel Cabrera didn't get paid over 500,000 a season until his 5TH year despite being a repeat allstar and top 5 MVP vote getter.

Its like that for EVERYONE so why should Trout be getting preferential treatment over other stars?

I'm with you on this.

Further, Major League Baseball and the MLB Players' Association have an operating agreement that puts every player under team control for 5-6 years. Its that way so that the best of the best can be paid tons of money without salaries going out the ceiling. Now don't get me wrong, if anyone has made the case for a pay raise after 2012, it was Mike Trout. Would throwing him a couple extra bucks change the game of baseball forever? No, of course not. But I think the Angels are making a sound decision here. It might not even be the decision I would make, but its hardly indefensible.

[JustinVerlander07]

Call it a good faith down payment towards a long term extension. A little tiny bit of money up front to save a ton in the long run. Would it have any effect on Trout's willing to do a discounted deal at that time? Who knows but it sure couldn't hurt but this can. He has made the team millions upon millions in ticket sales which leads to increased concessions and parking plus a ton of memorabilia sales. I personally have three Trout t-shirts (yes, I am a dork). What would $150-250 k more have hurt?

I don't get that it sets a bad precedent. Even if the Angels are right and that is true that would be a fantastic problem to have. If they have a line up of guys winning ROY awards and in line for MVP awards than go ahead and do it for them too. Luckily with the Angels farm system that won't be a problem so just pay the man and tell the other guys to shut up and earn it. Trout definately did plus way more.

But that's almost certainly not going to happen. Trout isn't going to give them a discount, he's gonna want the most money possible whenever he signs a multi year contract.

[xbignick]

Trout is coming across as one of those spoiled little brats who tasted a little bit of success and now thinks they belong with the elite in the game who've been doing what he did last year for a decade or more..

Little bit of success? He just had one of the best seasons ever and should have won the MVP as a rookie.

Anyway, he should not get accurate money reflecting value pre-arb and pre-free-agency but giving a nice raise keeps his morale up and perhaps means he's more likely to cut a team-friendly deal in the future, perhaps pre-arbitration like the Rays love to do.

[Cactuspies]

hypothetical - they pay him and performs like most of these guys after a huge season or start or rookie of the year honors
Hosmer
Eric Hosmer Statistics and History - Baseball-Reference.com (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hosmeer01.shtml)
Lowrie
Brett Lawrie Statistics and History - Baseball-Reference.com (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lawribr01.shtml)
Pat Listach
Pat Listach Statistics and History - Baseball-Reference.com (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/listapa01.shtml)
Bob Hamelin
Bob Hamelin Statistics and History - Baseball-Reference.com (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hamelbo01.shtml)
Marty Cordova
Marty Cordova Statistics and History - Baseball-Reference.com (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cordoma01.shtml)
Ben Greive
Ben Grieve Statistics and History - Baseball-Reference.com (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/grievbe01.shtml)
Angel Berroa
Angel Berroa Statistics and History - Baseball-Reference.com (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/berroan01.shtml)
Jerome Walton
Jerome Walton Statistics and History - Baseball-Reference.com (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/waltoje01.shtml)
Todd Hollandsworth
Todd Hollandsworth Statistics and History - Baseball-Reference.com (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hollato01.shtml)
Geovany Soto
Geovany Soto Statistics and History - Baseball-Reference.com (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/sotoge01.shtml)
Chris Coghlan
Chris Coghlan Statistics and History - Baseball-Reference.com (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/coghlch01.shtml)

There's more I could list, but this is long enough. I bet everyone would be pissed if got paid and flops this year, and now everyone is pissed that he is not getting paid. someone sticky this or save it so we can bump it later this year to see where trouts at. trout did not do well at his first call up, and then got more seasoning and dominated. he can easily fall back into not performing as many of the others I listed did. so far it seems that his agent is being a turd about it since I'm sure he is mad about not getting a raise himself.

I'll just toss these 2 others in here for comparisons
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/heywaja01.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/howarry01.shtml

[squirtr]

What people aren't getting is that this isn't personal and its wrong for anyone in Trout's camp to try and make it look that way. This is how it is for EVERYONE, no matter what their stats are.

People mention Pujols, he didn't make money from his contract until his 4th year. Rookie of the year first year, 2nd in MVP voting his second year and his third year he was paid 900,000.

Miguel Cabrera didn't get paid over 500,000 a season until his 5TH year despite being a repeat allstar and top 5 MVP vote getter.

Its like that for EVERYONE so why should Trout be getting preferential treatment over other stars?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is spot on.