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Yanke3z11
03-06-2013, 04:26 PM
Is there a reason why my Jordan PSA 8 RC isnt labeled (OC) like the ebay link below, even though its clearly off centered. Sorry if this is a dumb question, I didn't send this to get graded myself I got it in a trade. I honestly think my card has the edges, corners, and surface similar to some psa 9's from what I can see but figured it was graded lower because of the centering. Anyways, any help is appreciated I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to grading services.

PSA 9 (OC)
Michael Jordan 1986 87 Fleer Basketball RC PSA 9 OC Rookie Card | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Michael-Jordan-1986-87-Fleer-Basketball-RC-PSA-9-OC-Rookie-Card-/151002807991?pt=US_Basketball&hash=item232877feb7&nma=true&si=AeJ03bFHU%252BAVkH%252FTsFVxLoJW0zI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)

My PSA 8
http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa441/tebowfan-15/CJG012362.jpg
burke23
03-06-2013, 04:29 PM
You can choose to not have qualifiers...very likely this one had to be in great condition otherwise to maintain an 8 grade...ie submitter could have gotten a 9 o/c.

Edit to add - still seems like generous grade with that centering.
Yanke3z11
03-06-2013, 04:33 PM
You can choose to not have qualifiers...very likely this one had to be in great condition otherwise to maintain an 8 grade...ie submitter could have gotten a 9 o/c.

And looking at sales I'm guessing a psa 9 (oc) is consistently worth more than a psa 8, correct?
Whodey14
03-06-2013, 04:34 PM
And looking at sales I'm guessing a psa 9 (oc) is worth more than a psa 8?

PSA classifies a qualifier as a -2 on the grading scale so technically a 9 oc is looked at as a 7 and I would rather have a 7 than a 9oc im not a fan of qualifiers at all.
Yanke3z11
03-06-2013, 04:45 PM
PSA classifies a qualifier as a -2 on the grading scale so technically a 9 oc is looked at as a 7 and I would rather have a 7 than a 9oc im not a fan of qualifiers at all.

I'm on my phone or I would look but what would a typical difference in value be between a 7 and 9 oc?
supercards2012
03-06-2013, 04:46 PM
Is there a reason why my Jordan PSA 8 RC isnt labeled (OC) like the ebay link below, even though its clearly off centered. Sorry if this is a dumb question, I didn't send this to get graded myself I got it in a trade. I honestly think my card has the edges, corners, and surface similar to some psa 9's from what I can see but figured it was graded lower because of the centering. Anyways, any help is appreciated I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to grading services.

PSA 9 (OC)
Michael Jordan 1986 87 Fleer Basketball RC PSA 9 OC Rookie Card | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Michael-Jordan-1986-87-Fleer-Basketball-RC-PSA-9-OC-Rookie-Card-/151002807991?pt=US_Basketball&hash=item232877feb7&nma=true&si=AeJ03bFHU%252BAVkH%252FTsFVxLoJW0zI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)

My PSA 8
http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa441/tebowfan-15/CJG012362.jpg

YESS the reason is a PSA must have employed a blind grader. all i can say is wow that should be a PSA 7 with that centering
Whodey14
03-06-2013, 04:49 PM
7 is around 600 9 oc is around 850
tristan20
03-06-2013, 04:50 PM
All grading is based on someone's opinion, everyone has different opinions.

It up to you to decide which opinion you would pay for :-)
Yanke3z11
03-06-2013, 04:51 PM
YESS the reason is a PSA must have employed a blind grader. all i can say is wow that should be a PSA 7 with that centering

Dude you are all on bgs' nuts, so your opinons carry no weight here.
supercards2012
03-06-2013, 04:59 PM
no i am not on BGS nuts I just know how over valued PSA is and most of you dont see it. trust me your card will get a 6.5 or 7 centering from beckett
asujbl
03-06-2013, 05:01 PM
no i am not on BGS nuts I just know how over valued PSA is and most of you dont see it. trust me your card will get a 6.5 or 7 centering from beckett

What defines overvalued? What the market says? Or what you say because you prefer BGS? Which preferring BGS is fine - but saying something is overvalued because you don't like what they sell for is just short sighted.

I can say a million things are overvalued - cards, cars, clothes, electronics...

Doesn't mean a damn thing if that market says differently.
Yanke3z11
03-06-2013, 05:01 PM
no i am not on BGS nuts I just know how over valued PSA is and most of you dont see it. trust me your card will get a 6.5 or 7 centering from beckett

Who cares.... I didn't ask what my card would grade from Beckett did I? Nope, so take your comments elsewhere please. Thank you.
supercards2012
03-06-2013, 05:03 PM
Who cares.... I didn't ask what my card would grade from Beckett did I? Nope, so take your comments elsewhere please. Thank you.

yeah your right i just gave you my opinon and you dont have to agree with it enjoy your card
burke23
03-06-2013, 05:11 PM
no i am not on BGS nuts I just know how over valued PSA is and most of you dont see it. trust me your card will get a 6.5 or 7 centering from beckett

And if it got a 7 on centering, but 9.5's on corners, edges and surface, the bgs grade would be what? Maybe an 8? Odd.
Whodey14
03-06-2013, 05:13 PM
yeah your right i just gave you my opinon and you dont have to agree with it enjoy your card

This guy is nuts. I own many psa graded cards as well as a handful of bgs/bvg cards. As you can see I prefer PSA for vintage cards and that is because BVG in my opinion is a joke. I love PSA's registry as well. PSA is the standard always has been
ohiomike
03-06-2013, 05:14 PM
Centering has to fall outside of that grade's minimum standard to carry a (OC) qualifier.

For a 9 Mint, that generally means 60/40 to 65/35 or worse on the front.

For a 8 Nm-Mt, that generally means 65/35 to 70/30 or worse on the front.


The 8 pictured in this thread is no worse than 65/35, so it falls within their acceptable minimum standard, and thus does not carry the (OC) qualifier.
supercards2012
03-06-2013, 05:44 PM
And if it got a 7 on centering, but 9.5's on corners, edges and surface, the bgs grade would be what? Maybe an 8? Odd.

wrong it would be 7.5
supercards2012
03-06-2013, 05:45 PM
Centering has to fall outside of that grade's minimum standard to carry a (OC) qualifier.

For a 9 Mint, that generally means 60/40 to 65/35 or worse on the front.

For a 8 Nm-Mt, that generally means 65/35 to 70/30 or worse on the front.


The 8 pictured in this thread is no worse than 65/35, so it falls within their acceptable minimum standard, and thus does not carry the (OC) qualifier.

go get your eyes checked please that card is not 65/35 anything
ohiomike
03-06-2013, 05:50 PM
go get your eyes checked please that card is not 65/35 anything

You're right. Its better than 70/30, but worse than 65/35... Almost exactly 68/32. Within the acceptable range for an 8 to not carry a qualifier.
GC1980
03-06-2013, 06:48 PM
Any MJ RC is awesome in my eyes. Corners, edges, surface all look great but that centering is way off. I am surprised that got into a straight 8 holder and not an 8 OC or a PSA 7. Again, it is completely subjective and at the end of the day the cards is a PSA 8.

At the end of the day it is always easier to sell cards without qualifiers no matter what the prices say.
Yanke3z11
03-06-2013, 10:39 PM
go get your eyes checked please that card is not 65/35 anything

You love bashing peoples cards just because they are graded by psa and not bgs. If it was a bgs 8 you would have nothing bad to say. Go troll someone elses thread. You came in here here and completely took this thread in a negative direction.