Current players who will make the Hall.

[MJZak1977]

Lets make a list and discuss current players that may or not make the HOF.
Ill start with who" I think" are locks. In no particular order.
1.Pujols
2.Ichiro
3.Jeter
4.Mariano Rivera
5.Vlad
6.Roy Halladay
7.Jim Thome
8.Arod (numbers are there,so are PED allegations though)
9.Cabrera

Who do you think should be added or subtracted for that matter.

[Zoop]

None because the HOF voters are friggin' idiots.

[hohlernr]

Vlad isn't a current player.

[Tyler]

Only 1,2,3,4,7 are in.

[MJZak1977]

You are correct. Off the list he goes. Dont know why i put him on there.Guess because he always come up in past discussions ive had in the past about this subject.

Vlad isn't a current player.

[chicuse]

Verlander is a strong candidate.

[MJZak1977]

Verlander is a strong candidate.

Good call.

[8lakers24]

Only 1,2,3,4,7 are in.

i agree with this but i will say cabrera is well on his way

[KC35]

I think Thome should slide up to number five on the list.

[D J Sportscards]

Harper:eek::eek:

In all seriousness I would have to think Justin Verlander is pretty set in stone besides a few on your list. MAYBE Cano, Longoria, Hamilton off the top of my head.

[milehi]

Todd Helton

[MJZak1977]

Not saying hes not but what do you think about the people that say his numbers are inflated because he played at Coors Field?



Todd Helton

[superjames27]

lance berkman

[MJZak1977]

Harper:eek::eek:

In all seriousness I would have to think Justin Verlander is pretty set in stone besides a few on your list. MAYBE Cano, Longoria, Hamilton off the top of my head.

Of those 3 im going to say Hamilton has the best chance as of "right now" the other two need a few more seasons.

[elijahdf11]

Not vlad or halladay.

[ClevelandIC]

I think A Rod will most likely not make it unless they start allowing past PED linkage people in. As for the rest of your list Vlad seems like a fifth or sixth year ballot kind of guy.

[fakeelvis]

Harper:eek::eek:

In all seriousness I would have to think Justin Verlander is pretty set in stone besides a few on your list. MAYBE Cano, Longoria, Hamilton off the top of my head.

longoria has to play another 10 years of 150 games per to even be considered. Helton is a product of coors, but will get consideration, if they start letting ped guys in then Manny has to be in there. I think Thome should be in on first few ballots, stand up guy with no ties to peds but then again its hard to tell anymore. Vladimir will get in 2500 hits, 318 career average and 450ish home runs, it will however take him 10 ballots

I think Adam Dunn would be an interesting one, if he continues at current pace and gets somewhere between 500-600 home runs I think he would have a strong case regardless of the 240 career average.

[kenji003]

Cano and Kershaw. King Felix might have a chance. He is a PG pitcher and He won the Cy with so less win. He deserves that.

[Berkman32]

lance berkman

I will have to agree with that.

[MJZak1977]

I will have to agree with that.

Not surprising. :rolleyes:

[centereacan06]

Paul Konerko can definitly get in.

[IamRalpho]

Vlad Guerrero is a Hall of Famer. Don't know why people don't think so

[Berkman32]

Not surprising. :rolleyes:

:D:)! Biggio is also my top guy to get in (even though it is a given that he will)

[centereacan06]

:D:)! Biggio is also my top guy to get in (even though it is a given that he will)

Nope. Barry Bonds and Sammy Sosa used steroids, therefore everybody in the same class as themused steroids. Therefore, none of them will be Hall of Famers.

[MikeWilliamsFan]

Why do people think halladay is not HOF?

[Homerun]

Paul Konerko can definitly get in.

I agree. :p

[jason122883]

I'd like to hope by the time his career is over King Felix gets in

[elijahdf11]

Many of the players you guys are saying aren't hall of famers. Just because a player is good for a few years doesn't mean they are going to be hall of famers. Harper, Hamilton, felix hernandez, verland, yes, they all are great right now but hall of famers were people that were able to consistently deliver and be great. Most of these guys are WAY to young to be considered right now. In 5-10 years if they continued to be great, then yes there is a good chance they will get it but not every good player right now is going to be a hall of famer. Just my opinion.

[IamRalpho]

There are the sure fire guys, who retire right now are in: Mo, Jeter, Ichiro Pujols and Thome.

Guys who would probably get in if they stopped right now, but might take a few years: Vlad, Doc, King Felix, Konerko, and David Ortiz (Edgar Martinez needs to get in first) Berkman could be here too.

Guys who need to continue down their paths to get in: Cano, Miggy, CC Sabathia, and could even put Felix here too.

Baseball HOF is kinda a joke so most of these guys should get in eventually,

[Lastminute73]

I say sabathia. 191 wins, double digit wins every year of his career. 3.5 career era. Has a really good chance to break 300 wins.

[teosdesserts]

Nick Markakis...give him time.

[Skipscards]

There are the sure fire guys, who retire right now are in: Mo, Jeter, Ichiro Pujols and Thome.

Guys who would probably get in if they stopped right now, but might take a few years: Vlad, Doc, King Felix, Konerko, and David Ortiz (Edgar Martinez needs to get in first) Berkman could be here too.

Guys who need to continue down their paths to get in: Cano, Miggy, CC Sabathia, and could even put Felix here too.

Baseball HOF is kinda a joke so most of these guys should get in eventually,

This is probably the most sensible breakdown. The reality is, under the current voting rules, we may have a logjam for years to come preventing anyone from getting in when they should. My take:

1.Pujols - should be 1st ballot, even if he retired today
2.Ichiro - should be 1st ballot, even if he retired today
3.Jeter - should be 1st ballot, even if he retired today
4.Mariano Rivera - should be 1st ballot, even if he retired today
5.Vlad - will get in eventually. Very similar to Jim Rice, Bagwell, etc.
6.Roy Halladay - should be 1st ballot, even if he retired today
7.Jim Thome - should be 1st ballot, even if he retired today
8.Arod - will not get in until other steroid users get inducted
9.Cabrera - though building a Hall of Fame career, is not a HoFer yet. A lot can happen to a player even after an amazing start. (See Albert Belle)

Others:
King Felix - is not there yet. Still needs work to build a viable case
Verlander - should be 1st ballot, if he keeps on track. Even if he retired after getting the requisite 10 seasons under his belt, he'd probably get in eventually if the two seasons were as good as his most recent two
Konerko - is building a case. Not there yet, but can hit some important milestones making him viable
Helton - though not 1st ballot he's very close to being a viable candidate. One more decent year or two should be enough. Park effects are a reasonable argument, but he played most of his career in the "Humidor" era.
Berkman - needs a lot of work
CC - needs a lot of work, but on track if he avoids a major injury
Cano - long way from being a viable candidate
Ortiz - not really close

[groundsupport]

David Ortiz?

[groundsupport]

What about Abdruw Jones?

[IamRalpho]

David Ortiz needs to have Edgar Martinez to get in for him to get any shot, its a long shot right now to be honest especially with the steroid cloud but he will get some consideration.

First ballot guys should be the best of the best, Roy Halladay is not a first ballot guy, Thome probably not either.

Mike Piazza was the greatest hitting catcher ever and he didnt get in right away

[RedSoxFan28]

Still needs more seasons, but Kershaw if he keeps it up.

[death2redemptions]

Surprised nobody has listed Dan Uggla yet...possibly the greatest second baseman in the game

[twinsvikings31]

Nobody for Adrian Beltre or even Michael Young?

[chansen10]

David Ortiz needs to have Edgar Martinez to get in for him to get any shot, its a long shot right now to be honest especially with the steroid cloud but he will get some consideration.

First ballot guys should be the best of the best, Roy Halladay is not a first ballot guy, Thome probably not either.

Mike Piazza was the greatest hitting catcher ever and he didnt get in right away

LOL at the roy halladay comment!!! Constantly a top 5 pitcher in the league throughout the 2000's 2 cy young awards... He's getting in

[Skipscards]

David Ortiz needs to have Edgar Martinez to get in for him to get any shot, its a long shot right now to be honest especially with the steroid cloud but he will get some consideration.

First ballot guys should be the best of the best, Roy Halladay is not a first ballot guy, Thome probably not either.

Mike Piazza was the greatest hitting catcher ever and he didnt get in right away

You are absolutely correct. But Piazza should have been a 1st ballot Hall of Famer. Like I said, these aren't normal times. At the rate we're going none of the players we've been discussing will make it on ballot #1 aside from maybe Jeter.

Thome hit 600 clean homeruns. That's as first ballot as it gets.

Halladay has been unbelievably good. But you're right. I probably overstated his being 1st ballot worthy today. But even 5 more so-so seasons may be enough for him. 100 games over .500, 8x all-star, 2 Cy Youngs, look pretty good. No World Championships hurts his case.

[8lakers24]

wasnt ortiz talked about with steroids?

[KC35]

wasnt ortiz talked about with steroids?

He was supposedly on that 2003 Steroid list... I think

[Skipscards]

Still needs more seasons, but Kershaw if he keeps it up.

Yep. Same with Fred Lynn and Claudell Washington.

[groundsupport]

Andy Pettitte

[Skipscards]

Andy Pettitte
He probably gets in eventually.

[bigaust001]

Billy Wagner deserves some consideration in mt opinion....

[8lakers24]

He was supposedly on that 2003 Steroid list... I think

well the chances of him making the hall are not good at all, he would have a tough time without the steroid cloud

[hohlernr]

Not in Hall of Fame - Baseball (http://www.notinhalloffame.com/baseball)

Look at some of those names on that list before you start throwing names out there like David Ortiz, Dan Uggla and Billy Wager.

[Thommy]

Joe Nathan, Carlos Beltran, and Captain Crunch (C.C.) are guys who haven't been named yet.

[IamRalpho]

LOL at the roy halladay comment!!! Constantly a top 5 pitcher in the league throughout the 2000's 2 cy young awards... He's getting in

Never said he wasnt, but hes probably not at the first ballot especially if hes done right now. Not saying he is, but if he has a major arm injury then ya know.

Tom Glavine might not even get in next year on his first try!

Only one I feel comfortable with is Maddux first ballot, and thats it. Glavine and Smoltz eventually.

[IamRalpho]

Not in Hall of Fame - Baseball (http://www.notinhalloffame.com/baseball)

Look at some of those names on that list before you start throwing names out there like David Ortiz, Dan Uggla and Billy Wager.

Pretty silly list considering most of them are:

1. Still on the ballot
2. Banned from baseball.

[Ephland]

Many of the players you guys are saying aren't hall of famers. Just because a player is good for a few years doesn't mean they are going to be hall of famers.

Absolutely this. Jeter, Rivera, Pujols, and Ichiro are really the only names I've seen in here that are guaranteed right now to go into the HOF. A lot of these names seem to be just fan favorites or players who need more years under their belt at their current level.

Nobody for Adrian Beltre or even Michael Young?

Beltre might have a shot, he needs a few more good years. There is no way on Earth that Michael Young gets into the HOF. Even if his stats were good enough (which they really aren't), sportswriters absolutely hate him.

[cardinalscards4]

Vlad Guerrero is a Hall of Famer. Don't know why people don't think so

Absurd for anyone to think otherwise. Career .318 hitter with 449 home runs. Most guys with 450+ HRs don't also have batting averages that high.

[TheLastDude]

Current players who are straight-up locks?

I'd go with Ichiro and Jeter on that count.

I'd stretch it to add Pujols and Rivera, but if I had to lay down cash on a guarantee, the only two I'd honestly be willing to put money on would be Ichiro and Jeter.

[8lakers24]

Current players who are straight-up locks?

I'd go with Ichiro and Jeter on that count.

I'd stretch it to add Pujols and Rivera, but if I had to lay down cash on a guarantee, the only two I'd honestly be willing to put money on would be Ichiro and Jeter.

rivera is right with ichiro and jeter

[kyle1707]

michael young...

if he can get 5 more 150 seasons..

long shot... but he will be the next craig biggo...

Helton needed a younger start....

OBP is crazy high so is lifetime avg... Not sure that will get him in...

Also helton peaked really quick then lost all his power overnight

PED? Who knows

[Lastminute73]

Current players who are straight-up locks?

I'd go with Ichiro and Jeter on that count.

I'd stretch it to add Pujols and Rivera, but if I had to lay down cash on a guarantee, the only two I'd honestly be willing to put money on would be Ichiro and Jeter.

The greatest closer in the history of baseball, has 5 World Series rings and he isn't a lock for HoF for you?

[zachc99]

Pedroia,Ortiz.

[TheLastDude]

rivera is right with ichiro and jeter

The greatest closer in the history of baseball, has 5 World Series rings and he isn't a lock for HoF for you?

..........

Current players who are straight-up locks?

I'd go with Ichiro and Jeter on that count.

I'd stretch it to add Pujols and Rivera, but if I had to lay down cash on a guarantee, the only two I'd honestly be willing to put money on would be Ichiro and Jeter.

[Twinsfan33]

Mauer if he plays longer (and stays behind the plate). The stuff he's done as a catcher is crazy. most batting titles by a Catcher. career .323 BA. 3 time (should be 4 time but Weiters took it last year) Gold Glove Winner. 5 Time All-Star. Career .405 OBP

[yanksfan0134]

Surprised nobody has said Chipper Jones yet....

[IamRalpho]

Surprised nobody has said Chipper Jones yet....

Another no doubter, good call.

Pujols, Chipper, Rivera, Ichiro, Jeter, Thome are all in.

[hohlernr]

Joe Nathan, Carlos Beltran, and Captain Crunch (C.C.) are guys who haven't been named yet.

lol, Joe Nathan? Carlos Beltran?......We're not talking about their High School Hall of Fame.

IMO if you even have to think about it, he's not a Hall of Famer. Like folks have said before: Ichiro, Pujols, Mo and Jeter are the only current players who are no doubters. Everyone else still need a few more good/great years.

[hohlernr]

Surprised nobody has said Chipper Jones yet....

Not a current player.

[yanksfan0134]

Not a current player.

He played last year, can't get much more current

[carlo16]

He played last year, can't get much more current

It's 9:04 am. You are in the lead for dumbest comment of the day. Good luck.

[groundsupport]

It's 9:04 am. You are in the lead for dumbest comment of the day. Good luck.

lol!!!!!!! :)!

[Ray27Ray52]

He played last year, can't get much more current

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[IamRalpho]

FAKE WORD ALERT

Irregardless, Chipper Jones is still a Hall of Famer. If he played yesterday or last Christmas

[Ziveus101]

I won't bother naming the no-brainers but some guys I think are worthy of discussion are
*Andy Pettitte (his post-season credentials speaks for itself)
*Robinson Cano (IMO he's halfway there, now he just has to stay away from steroid related issues and put up MVP caliber seasons for a few more years)
*Roy Halladay (I think he's going to need every win and strikeout he can get between now and when he retires, but seeing where he goes will definitely be interesting)
*Joe Mauer (another halfway-there guy)

[cnewby]

Surprised nobody has said Chipper Jones yet....
no longer a current player.

[hohlernr]

FAKE WORD ALERT

Irregardless, Chipper Jones is still a Hall of Famer. If he played yesterday or last Christmas

Stating that Tom Brady is still a Hall of Famer is as relevent to this discussion as stating Chipper Jones is a Hall of Famer. The whole topic is about *current* players that will make the Hall of Fame, thus sparking conversation on what players are locks, still need a few more good years, or need quite a few great years to be in the list.

[mmbtvs]

A name I have not seen mentioned yet that I would have to say would require hall consideration (although not a lock) would be Johan Santana.

[ScooterD]

The most interesting cases (in my opinion) have already been recounted: Andruw Jones and Adam Dunn.

If both reach HR milestones, will the HOF voters overlook obvious deficiencies in the all-around game? Andruw has all of his GG's to help him. Dunn is Dave Kingman - these two are tough calls.

Subjectivity and differences in eras is the hardest part.

Point of order - Johan Santana?

[IamRalpho]

What has Dunn done anywhere to deserve to be in the HOF?

[burke23]

What has Dunn done anywhere to deserve to be in the HOF?

Yeah - he likely will hit 500 hr, but the .240 average, low runs total, low rbi totals, and bad defense will all be strikes against him. I mean if Thome is iffy (although I think he gets the nod), Dunn has no chance.

[ScooterD]

What has Dunn done anywhere to deserve to be in the HOF?

He is 32 years old and only 60 HR's behind Pujols. Don't get me wrong... he is not Albert Pujols, but everyone knows power hitters get attention. If he keeps his bat in the lineup long enough to hit 500 HR's with ZERO steroid allegations, I don't think the voters will keep him out.

[Skipscards]

The most interesting cases (in my opinion) have already been recounted: Andruw Jones and Adam Dunn.

If both reach HR milestones, will the HOF voters overlook obvious deficiencies in the all-around game? Andruw has all of his GG's to help him. Dunn is Dave Kingman - these two are tough calls.

Subjectivity and differences in eras is the hardest part.

Point of order - Johan Santana?

Dunn is a lot better than Kingman. But he's not a Hall of Famer. As for 500 homeruns, I don't think he's a lock for that either. If he has another season like the last two he may be out of the game next year.

Andruw Jones has a better case, but he is also unlikely to reach 500 homers.

Both would require 500 homers to have any chance.

Johan's only chance is to have two more historic seasons which is unlikely at his age. His injuries will prevent him from reaching any important milestones so he would have to get in with a Koufax argument. Koufax had 6 of the greatest seasons ever. Johan has had 3-4 really great seasons. 2013 is probably an important year for his legacy. He will likely be one of those "shoulda been a HoFer".

One more note on Dunn and Jones. While I don't see them as Hall of Famers, per se. They are very close to becoming the type of players the Veteran's Committee loves. It would not surprise me to see them get in 50-60 years from now in the same manner as Bobby Doerr, Phil Rizzuto, Deacon White, etc have entered the Hall. Some small group of old men will sit down, look at their stats and put them in.

One final note. Thome is as much of a lock for the Hall as anyone playing today except for Derek Jeter.

[ScooterD]

I understand the case against Dunn, and I'm not a biased supporter, but I don't see how he doesn't get in IF:
(1) he reaches 500 HRs
AND
(2) his name isn't drug into the PED discussion.

Every player who entered the 400 HR club before their 33rd birthday is in the HOF EXCEPT people with PED issues, Dunn and Andruw Jones.

[Skipscards]

I understand the case against Dunn, and I'm not a biased supporter, but I don't see how he doesn't get in IF:
(1) he reaches 500 HRs
AND
(2) his name isn't drug into the PED discussion.

Every player who entered the 400 HR club before their 33rd birthday is in the HOF EXCEPT people with PED issues, Dunn and Andruw Jones.

I agree getting to 500 homeruns is significant. But I'm not convinced he gets there. At this moment his career totals look a lot like Harmon Killebrew's at the same age. But the Killer finished strong and came back with an MVP season at age 33. Do you know who else he looks like? Greg Luzinski. He played one more season after age 32 and was out of the game.

This argument reminds me of the discussion when Jeter got to 3,000 hits and people downplayed it saying it didn't mean as much because Damon and Vizquel were going to get there. Now it appears they won't. I actually wrote an article about it for SBNation and reposted it on my blog (skipscards.com/last-ones-to-leave-the-yard-blog.html). The club still matters, but you can never take for granted that someone will get there.

As for the "400 HR club before their 33rd birthday" thing. That's just a nice quirk but I don't know that it's material.

[fakeelvis]

I agree getting to 500 homeruns is significant. But I'm not convinced he gets there. At this moment his career totals look a lot like Harmon Killebrew's at the same age. But the Killer finished strong and came back with an MVP season at age 33. Do you know who else he looks like? Greg Luzinski. He played one more season after age 32 and was out of the game.

This argument reminds me of the discussion when Jeter got to 3,000 hits and people downplayed it saying it didn't mean as much because Damon and Vizquel were going to get there. Now it appears they won't. I actually wrote an article about it for SBNation and reposted it on my blog (skipscards.com/last-ones-to-leave-the-yard-blog.html). The club still matters, but you can never take for granted that someone will get there.

As for the "400 HR club before their 33rd birthday" thing. That's just a nice quirk but I don't know that it's material.

besides 2011 dunn has been fairly consistent, If he continues with 2012 and doesn't regress back to 2011 numbers he will pass 500 in 2-3 years, not playing the field i think helps because there is no wear and tear on the body. On another note power numbers are on a drastic decline, fewer and fewer power guys, im not saying hed be in as of now but 3 or 4 more 35-40 home run seasons and i think he has a strong case, again edgar martinez and him thome would be a big indicator whether or not he gets in and how long it takes

[Skipscards]

besides 2011 dunn has been fairly consistent, If he continues with 2012 and doesn't regress back to 2011 numbers he will pass 500 in 2-3 years, not playing the field i think helps because there is no wear and tear on the body. On another note power numbers are on a drastic decline, fewer and fewer power guys, im not saying hed be in as of now but 3 or 4 more 35-40 home run seasons and i think he has a strong case, again edgar martinez and him thome would be a big indicator whether or not he gets in and how long it takes

Fair point but his 2012 season wasn't that good. Infinitely better than 2011 but no where near his career norms.