Flopping fines??

[drob50]

I know this is talked about all the time, especially with Tony Allens fine from the head injury, but can anyone tell me why Dwyane Wade hasn't received a fine yet from the 'push' on the baseline the other day??

[UltimateDeron]

Because he's on the Heat.

[jeffmagley]

I thi k that sums it up

[bdoody42]

This thread will probably take off because someone will think the Heat are being singled out.

That being said many starts this season have flopped and haven't been fined.

[drob50]

This thread will probably take off because someone will think the Heat are being singled out.

That being said many starts this season have flopped and haven't been fined.

Yeah, maybe it will! But this is not a Heat specific question by any means!

I know they have missed a few throughout the season, but when there is only 1 game a day, there is no excuse for plays like that going unnoticed!

It is essentially a player making the ref look like an idiot. It is blatant disrespect and manipulation! Should be punished by a game on the sidelines, not $5K IMO

And I am not talking about just the Wade play, I mean all flops! (Even Manu for those who think I am being a homer, lol)

[bdoody42]

Yeah, maybe it will! But this is not a Heat specific question by any means!

I know they have missed a few throughout the season, but when there is only 1 game a day, there is no excuse for plays like that going unnoticed!

It is essentially a player making the ref look like an idiot. It is blatant disrespect and manipulation! Should be punished by a game on the sidelines, not $5K IMO

And I am not talking about just the Wade play, I mean all flops! (Even Manu for those who think I am being a homer, lol)

The NBA has no problem fining the average or bench players, but they seem to hve an issue fining the star players. I assuming this would make the league look bad if their marquee players were viewed as floppers.

The refs should be able to tell what is a flop and what is a foul. It is their full time job. If must people suck at their job they're fired lol

[HenneFan007]

The NBA has no problem fining the average or bench players, but they seem to hve an issue fining the star players. I assuming this would make the league look bad if their marquee players were viewed as floppers.

The refs should be able to tell what is a flop and what is a foul. It is their full time job. If must people suck at their job they're fired lol

By this way of thinking Shane Battier would be broke by now...

[bdoody42]

By this way of thinking Shane Battier would be broke by now...

Plenty of players would have paid tons of fines... I just wish they would treat stars and the average NBA player the same.

[freethrowtommy]

Maybe you all should get together and write a letter to David Stern...

[showtimelakers]

Because he's on the Heat.


Yep pretty much! :)!

[bdoody42]

Maybe you all should get together and write a letter to David Stern...


You're right that many people overreact when the Heat flop but wouldn't you say the flop more than the average team? Clippers also come to mind.

My comments have been about stars in general and not any certain team.

[UltimateDeron]

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18p4oblhv9c83gif/ku-xlarge.gif

[freethrowtommy]

You're right that many people overreact when the Heat flop but wouldn't you say the flop more than the average team? Clippers also come to mind.

My comments have been about stars in general and not any certain team.

No, I am being serious. If people are so concerned about flopping in general, write a letter to Stern. I hate flopping as much as the next guy and would love to see it stop, but he needs to get serious about it.

I am not sure he gets over to Blowout Forums... probably not on his reading list.

[tristan20]

Lance Stevenson will be fined I assure you that lol

Dude was flying on every screen, something isn't right with that dude. He looks like he's a meth addict haha

[slugger22]

Because he's on the Heat.

100% agree

[sportzking]

Because the NBA is a business. To us its entertainment but not to them. To fine and limit stars for flopping and calling small fouls they're shooting themselves in the foot. Think about it, if every time (an example) Wade flops and the referees call it Wade wouldn't play the way he does. This leads to fans not been happy and unhappy fans means less money.

[jr24ai3]

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18p4oblhv9c83gif/ku-xlarge.gif

But Lebron said "I don’t flop. I’ve never been one of those guys.”

You don't believe him?

[tristan20]

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/885/715/StephensonFlop_original.gif?1369789686

[bdoody42]

Both gifs are complete flops and each player should have been fined..no question there!

[jr24ai3]

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/885/715/StephensonFlop_original.gif?1369789686

Has Lance Stephenson ever said "I don’t flop. I’ve never been one of those guys.” ?

[jr24ai3]

Both gifs are complete flops and each player should have been fined..no question there!

Agree. West, James, and Stephenson all deserve fines.

[tristan20]

Has Lance Stephenson ever said "I don’t flop. I’ve never been one of those guys.” ?

Nah his actions speak for themselves. :)!:)!

[bdoody42]

Agree. West, James, and Stephenson all deserve fines.

Wade also....

[jr24ai3]

Nah his actions speak for themselves. :)!:)!

Can you at least admit Lebron is a flopper and lied when he says he doesn't flop?

[tristan20]

Can you at least admit Lebron is a flopper and lied when he says he doesn't flop?

He did flop in that play. Every player flops, its part of the game now. ;)

Soon players will be training with Reggie Miller in the off season :D

[drob50]

He did flop in that play. Every player flops, its part of the game now. ;)

Soon players will be training with Reggie Miller in the off season :D

haha
At least Reggie admitted in during the telecast today! lol

[jr24ai3]

He did flop in that play. Every player flops, its part of the game now. ;)

Soon players will be training with Reggie Miller in the off season :D

At least you are a LeBron fan that can admit he's a flopper. They need to just get rid of the $5,000 fines and issue suspensions. $5,000 is nothing to most of these players. An automatic suspension would have a huge effect on flopping. This is for all players not just Lebron.

[tristan20]

At least you are a LeBron fan that can admit he's a flopper. They need to just get rid of the $5,000 fines and issue suspensions. $5,000 is nothing to most of these players. An automatic suspension would have a huge effect on flopping. This is for all players not just Lebron.

Aren't they only fined if it was called a foul? Neither of those plays got called.

[jr24ai3]

Aren't they only fined if it was called a foul? Neither of those plays got called.

I haven't seen anything that says a foul has to be called. All I found were these statements:

"The primary factor in determining whether a player committed a flop is whether his physical reaction to contact with another player is inconsistent with what would reasonably be expected given the force or direction of the contact,"

"Flops have no place in our game -they either fool referees into calling undeserved fouls or fool fans into thinking the referees missed a foul call" Stu Jackson

So based on the second statement, it looks like a foul does not have to be called.

[HenneFan007]

Could be biased but I think the Stephenson and Allen "flop" as people are calling it was more of a flinch. He wasn't looking directly at allen or what he was doing. Lance saw his elbow come up and reacted just about the same as I'm sure anyone would have, just my thought process though...

[JOHNJOHNNY]

I think the players are amused by fans complaining about flopping. I think they play their own little games about who can do the most obvious flop and get away with it. Just a way for them to have some fun at all the butt hurt peoples expense. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't have money on it.

Instead of $10,000 for a hit on an opposing quarterback, the put $10,000 on the best flop of the game.

[tristan20]

Could be biased but I think the Stephenson and Allen "flop" as people are calling it was more of a flinch. He wasn't looking directly at allen or what he was doing. Lance saw his elbow come up and reacted just about the same as I'm sure anyone would have, just my thought process though...

A flinch? LOL

You don't flinch and throw your hands in the air

Look again:eek::eek:

[MikeMamba]

"Some guys have been doing it for years, just trying to get an advantage," James said on Monday. "Any way you can get an advantage over the opponent to help your team win, so be it."

"It happens," Dwyane Wade said. "We would have no NBA possibly if they got rid of all the flopping."
:confused::confused::confused::confused: I don't get Wade's comment. Is he serious???????

[WarrenJ]

Flops are part of the game just like trash talking. In this way you can distract the focus of your opponent and most of the time they will make crazy decision or play. The result will be a turnover or a technical foul or worst ejection from the game.

Flops brings more drama in the game.

[rookies]

I dont understand the problem with flopping. if you can get an advantage why not try it? It is not like its 1 way if you flop and they see it you have a 4 on 5 basically. Its trying to help team win I like it.

[drob50]

I dont understand the problem with flopping. if you can get an advantage why not try it? It is not like its 1 way if you flop and they see it you have a 4 on 5 basically. Its trying to help team win I like it.

Yeah, I agree! It's like playing poker! It is so much more fun when you all try and see what cards each other has! ;)

It is cheating to manipulate a refs call! It should not be part of the game.

[bdoody42]

Anyone okay with flopping has something wrong with them. If you want to watch actors go watch Greys Anatomy!!!

[pingbling23]

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/885/715/StephensonFlop_original.gif?1369789686

lmao, i wish the video went on a little more, i love how the ref stares him down afterwards. you can tell the ref is thinking in his head, "really????"

[fullmetal]

I agree Stevenson is flopping, but it appears that Ray Allen is attempting to land an elbow. That is the bigger offense to me.

[bmf]

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18p4oblhv9c83gif/ku-xlarge.gif

that's hysterical!!!!!!!!!! i'm a lebron fan but some of his flops are so embarrassing that i just cringe watching them. it's a shame this has become a big part of several players' game. lebron is too good for that crap so i'm not sure why he lowers himself by engaging in it

[JOHNJOHNNY]

that's hysterical!!!!!!!!!! i'm a lebron fan but some of his flops are so embarrassing that i just cringe watching them. it's a shame this has become a big part of several players' game. lebron is too good for that crap so i'm not sure why he lowers himself by engaging in it

I think he does it and then him and the guys laugh in the locker room. I really do think they play games like that. Who can flop the best and get a call.

[asujbl]

Because Dwayne Wade has the fine money sitting in the coat pocket of a suit he hasn't worn in 5 years. He forgot the $5K was in there. The "fines" for flopping is the dumbest thing ever for any NBA player.

Fining Wade $5K is the equivalent of fining me $16 at work. Hardly something that would be enforced.

League needs to figure out a better way to handle it.

[Sikkcaden]

Because Dwayne Wade has the fine money sitting in the coat pocket of a suit he hasn't worn in 5 years. He forgot the $5K was in there. The "fines" for flopping is the dumbest thing ever for any NBA player.

Fining Wade $5K is the equivalent of fining me $16 at work. Hardly something that would be enforced.

League needs to figure out a better way to handle it.

I think getting fined for flopping for 5k does more damage to their reputation than it does their pockets.

I like that the NBA is willing to label them as "floppers"

[bdoody42]

Because Dwayne Wade has the fine money sitting in the coat pocket of a suit he hasn't worn in 5 years. He forgot the $5K was in there. The "fines" for flopping is the dumbest thing ever for any NBA player.

Fining Wade $5K is the equivalent of fining me $16 at work. Hardly something that would be enforced.

League needs to figure out a better way to handle it.

After they hand out warnings they should suspend the person for one game without pay....I would think that would make people think twice.

[xavieronly1]

I think getting fined for flopping for 5k does more damage to their reputation than it does their pockets.

I like that the NBA is willing to label them as "floppers"

Since NBA does not fine enough players due to flopping, the official flopping title from NBA has very little to say. I'm sure fans can count more than 50+ players who do flopping on a daily basis.

I really think NBA should suspense player, even for a half game.

[MikeMamba]

Seems like the only one supporting floppers are people who's team have the best floppers in the league lol

[UltimateDeron]

Seems like the only one supporting floppers are people who's team have the best floppers in the league lol

This.

I'm a Bulls fan and I can proudly say that no one on the team flops like anyone on the Heat does. Literally their entire team flops. Yes, Stephenson flopped above but Ray Allen did throw an elbow at him. Both plays were in a way cheating or dirty.

When the Bulls had Asik and he flopped for calls I laughed at it at first but then was a bit embarrassed to see it.

Jordan never flopped, and I mean never. Find me a video of Jordan flopping. I dare you. He played in a era where the only players that flopped were unathletic white guys like Vlade Divac and Bill Laimbeer.

Because of that I was never a fan of it, and think that the best players in the NBA shouldn't have to flop, but apparently I'm wrong since the team with the best players that already get their fair share of calls and then some thinks they need to flop in order to get an even more lopsided advantage. Kind of pathetic that team is tied 2-2 with this Indiana team if you think about it that way.

[S.Gallagherfan6]

This.

I'm a Bulls fan and I can proudly say that no one on the team flops like anyone on the Heat does. Literally their entire team flops. Yes, Stephenson flopped above but Ray Allen did throw an elbow at him. Both plays were in a way cheating or dirty.

When the Bulls had Asik and he flopped for calls I laughed at it at first but then was a bit embarrassed to see it.

Jordan never flopped, and I mean never. Find me a video of Jordan flopping. I dare you. He played in a era where the only players that flopped were unathletic white guys like Vlade Divac and Bill Laimbeer.

Because of that I was never a fan of it, and think that the best players in the NBA shouldn't have to flop, but apparently I'm wrong since the team with the best players that already get their fair share of calls and then some thinks they need to flop in order to get an even more lopsided advantage. Kind of pathetic that team is tied 2-2 with this Indiana team if you think about it that way.

so you think noah didnt flop at all in the last series? I really dont think chalmers and cole can push him to the ground that easily

[S.Gallagherfan6]

This.

I'm a Bulls fan and I can proudly say that no one on the team flops like anyone on the Heat does. Literally their entire team flops. Yes, Stephenson flopped above but Ray Allen did throw an elbow at him. Both plays were in a way cheating or dirty.

When the Bulls had Asik and he flopped for calls I laughed at it at first but then was a bit embarrassed to see it.

Jordan never flopped, and I mean never. Find me a video of Jordan flopping. I dare you. He played in a era where the only players that flopped were unathletic white guys like Vlade Divac and Bill Laimbeer.

Because of that I was never a fan of it, and think that the best players in the NBA shouldn't have to flop, but apparently I'm wrong since the team with the best players that already get their fair share of calls and then some thinks they need to flop in order to get an even more lopsided advantage. Kind of pathetic that team is tied 2-2 with this Indiana team if you think about it that way.

Joakim Noah Flop Against Heat - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98tTmexBnDw) ... flop

[Sikkcaden]

LOL heat fans really slay me with this flopping stuff. You are so overly emotional that your team would rather fall down than play defense that you dig deep to try to say they're no different than any other team.

Everyone that isn't a heat fan says the team flops more than anyone. Heat fans claim thats sour grapes, and they don't flop any more than any other team....

Who is right? The majority or the people who are emotionally invested in the accused?

[bmf]

I think he does it and then him and the guys laugh in the locker room. I really do think they play games like that. Who can flop the best and get a call.

if so, that's sad. this flopping craze has hurt the integrity of the game imo

[AlphaNOmega06]

Im in no means a heat fan, but flopping is apart of the game and for people to be fined for it is ridiculous. If any of you ever played basketball in high school/college then its obvious you know you have to sell the play to get a call. I rather see the NBA be more lenient with aggressive play like the old days, i'm talking bad boys/barkley era.

[freethrowtommy]

This.

I'm a Bulls fan and I can proudly say that no one on the team flops like anyone on the Heat does. Literally their entire team flops. Yes, Stephenson flopped above but Ray Allen did throw an elbow at him. Both plays were in a way cheating or dirty.

When the Bulls had Asik and he flopped for calls I laughed at it at first but then was a bit embarrassed to see it.

Jordan never flopped, and I mean never. Find me a video of Jordan flopping. I dare you. He played in a era where the only players that flopped were unathletic white guys like Vlade Divac and Bill Laimbeer.

Because of that I was never a fan of it, and think that the best players in the NBA shouldn't have to flop, but apparently I'm wrong since the team with the best players that already get their fair share of calls and then some thinks they need to flop in order to get an even more lopsided advantage. Kind of pathetic that team is tied 2-2 with this Indiana team if you think about it that way.

Here is what I find funny.

You try to justify why Stephenson flopped, but in any instance where Miami flopped, it was just uncalled for.

"Oh Ray Allen threw an elbow"... you call that an elbow and a justification for Lance's reaction? That is a joke.

I am sick of flopping all around, but I am also sick of the holier than thou fans who think their team doesn't do anything wrong while condemning actions of another team. Bulls players flop. Do they do it as much as Miami? Probably not. But flopping is flopping. You can't go around and post stupid pictures of one player and not look at your own damn team.

And hey look, another Jordan conversation! He played in a different era than the players do now. Flopping is part of the game now, like it or not, that is how it works. You would be hard pressed to find consistent flopping when Jordan played. That was a different time.

[xavieronly1]

D Rose does a lot of head flopping as well. It is like every time he drives to the lane, he got shot in his head. Same as CP3 who does head flopping and cries like a baby.

[bdoody42]

LOL heat fans really slay me with this flopping stuff. You are so overly emotional that your team would rather fall down than play defense that you dig deep to try to say they're no different than any other team.

Everyone that isn't a heat fan says the team flops more than anyone. Heat fans claim thats sour grapes, and they don't flop any more than any other team....

Who is right? The majority or the people who are emotionally invested in the accused?

You should make a pole and see how people vote... Do it!! Lol. would be interesting. I would think the Clippers and Heat would be in a race for first.

[pingbling23]

You should make a pole and see how people vote... Do it!! Lol. would be interesting. I would think the Clippers and Heat would be in a race for first.

i believe there was a poll and the clipps took it. i cant seem to find the thread.... if a poll is made now, the heat will take it. they are still in the hunt and is the most talked about team.

[UltimateDeron]

Joakim Noah Flop Against Heat - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98tTmexBnDw) ... flop

You call that a flop? Getting pushed in the back on a rebound? lol... Wow, that happens 10 times every game man.

Did Noah flop on Cole? Yes. I do remember that at the end of game 3 or 4, but to compare that to the numerous flops by the Heat is laughable.

[UltimateDeron]

Here is what I find funny.

You try to justify why Stephenson flopped, but in any instance where Miami flopped, it was just uncalled for.

"Oh Ray Allen threw an elbow"... you call that an elbow and a justification for Lance's reaction? That is a joke.

I am sick of flopping all around, but I am also sick of the holier than thou fans who think their team doesn't do anything wrong while condemning actions of another team. Bulls players flop. Do they do it as much as Miami? Probably not. But flopping is flopping. You can't go around and post stupid pictures of one player and not look at your own damn team.

And hey look, another Jordan conversation! He played in a different era than the players do now. Flopping is part of the game now, like it or not, that is how it works. You would be hard pressed to find consistent flopping when Jordan played. That was a different time.

Show me multiple players on the Bulls flopping. Please do it. We live in a youtube era and every flop is caught on tape. I could show you a flop for nearly every single player on the Heat's lineup and dozens for their best players.

[bdoody42]

i believe there was a poll and the clipps took it. i cant seem to find the thread.... if a poll is made now, the heat will take it. they are still in the hunt and is the most talked about team.

Okay I didn't see that thread. I had a feeling the Heat or Clippers would have taken the top spot.

[murrke03]

here's something to think about.

if players can get fined for 'flopping' why can't officials get fined for making the wrong call on a flop?

The league has a huge problem with the inconsistency of the officiating and it is starting to ruin games.

[UltimateDeron]

here's something to think about.

if players can get fined for 'flopping' why can't officials get fined for making the wrong call on a flop?

The league has a huge problem with the inconsistency of the officiating and it is starting to ruin games.

I honestly think the flopping is a bigger problem because the flopping is done to fool the referees into making the wrong call. Stop the flop and you'll somewhat stop the bad officiating.

[bdoody42]

I honestly think the flopping is a bigger problem because the flopping is done to fool the referees into making the wrong call. Stop the flop and you'll somewhat stop the bad officiating.

I agree this is the best way to handle the issue.

[murrke03]

I honestly think the flopping is a bigger problem because the flopping is done to fool the referees into making the wrong call. Stop the flop and you'll somewhat stop the bad officiating.

Or maybe the officials are to easily fooled?

It all comes back to the inconsistency of the refs. The calling of a play once and then not the second time, the differential treatment to different players, the wrongly anticipation of calls, etc etc

[ljandkg]

We need to organise an ALL NBA FLOPPING 1ST TEAM - then hand it out like the Razzies - those awards for crappy films! They should be handed out with lots of publicity and fanfare - players would get completely embarrassed and stop it.

[BigZigBoom]

Fines for flopping. Love it. They should up it to $100K per flop.

[Sikkcaden]

LeBron, David West, Lance Stephenson all fined $5,000 for flopping (VIDEO) | ProBasketballTalk (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/30/lebron-david-west-lance-stephenson-all-fined-5000-for-flopping-video/)