Fugly Jumbo Case of 2013 Topps 2

[hairysasquatch]

Would not recommend. Pretty brutal case. Hits are up on ebay with scans if your eyes/stomach can take it. Still in a state of shock...but, win some, lose some, I suppose.

Sunglasses Variations - Harper [sold], Stanton
Signing Autos Variation - Reyes
Proven Mettle Wrought Iron /50 - Brooks Robinson
Silk/50 - Iwakuma
Pink /50 - John Mayberry
Black /62 - Travis Wood, Lance Berkman, Hector Santiago, Andy Dirks :eek:
Camo/99 - John Buck
Making the Mark Auto - Bruce Rondon
Chasing History Autos - Brock Holt, Chris Archer, Wily Peralta, Colin Cowgill x2
Making the Mark Relics - Andrelton Simmons, Jurickson Profar
Chasing History Relics - Vernon Wells, Carlos Gonzalez, Paul Konerko, ARoid
WS MVP Mf'd Relic - Reggie Jackson (A's) :mad:
ROY Mf'd Relics - Cal Ripken [sold], Dustin Pedroia, Luis Aparicio, Willie McCovey

[pietroskim]

Ouch I feel your pain..

[speedyjg13]

Ouch. Freakin Topps has done it again with another horrible break

[calculusdork]

This might be the worst Topps product in quite some time. Bad QC (cases missing multiple autos/relics), a terrible checklist, no wrapper redemption or code cards ... I mean, we all know Topps is undergoing some "personnel changes", but this is a very bad sign.

Sorry Jon. :(

[Srodeva]

ouch. rough break. sorry man.

of course, selfishly, every bad case break increases ever so slightly the odds that my 2 cases coming today won't be as bad.

[auctionjmm]

This might be the worst Topps product in quite some time. Bad QC (cases missing multiple autos/relics), a terrible checklist, no wrapper redemption or code cards ... I mean, we all know Topps is undergoing some "personnel changes", but this is a very bad sign.

Sorry Jon. :(

Topps base products are never great. I've done 4-case breaks of Series 1, Series 2, and Update for the past 3 years and I can count on four fingers how many $100+ cards I've hit in 30+ cases. This is and always will be a product for set builders. You've gotta recoup 75%+ on base, inserts, and parallels regardless of good hits or not, so even a rough break won't lost much money.

[calculusdork]

Topps base products are never great. I've done 4-case breaks of Series 1, Series 2, and Update for the past 3 years and I can count on four fingers how many $100+ cards I've hit in 30+ cases. This is and always will be a product for set builders. You've gotta recoup 75%+ on base, inserts, and parallels regardless of good hits or not, so even a rough break won't lost much money.

Agreed, but this is worse than rough. You can recoup your money without any big hits, but that means you make most/all of your profit on the big hits. I've broken a total of 7 cases of base Topps in the last year, and I have hit three $100 cards and three $200 cards. Maybe I've just been lucky.

[hairysasquatch]

I got $40 for my Harper Sunglasses variation on a BIN - that might be my biggest single item. Have to try to scratch out what I can from this one and move on! It makes my decision to switch over to exclusively Bowman a lot easier, though...

[centereacan06]

Yeah, I usually only buy a blaster or two of the Topps products (Series 1, 2, US) to help with sets. Whatever hits I get are just extra.

[auctionjmm]

Agreed, but this is worse than rough. You can recoup your money without any big hits, but that means you make most/all of your profit on the big hits. I've broken a total of 7 cases of base Topps in the last year, and I have hit three $100 cards and three $200 cards. Maybe I've just been lucky.

Oh yeah, your perspective is definitely different than mine if you hit 6 big cards in 7 cases. Like I said, I have hit 4-5 cards worth over $100 in over 30 cases spanning a three year period, so this break looks normal to me lol.

[Ajax1723]

Yea, this is definitely not a product for big hits. In my 4 cases I hit probably 5 cards that will sell for 50, but nothing higher. Series 2 is always the roughest of the 3, but like someone said, very hard to lose money on multiple cases.

Even my bad break (posted here on the boards as I'm sure some have seen) Will still break me even. That's why I break it, very hard to lose money, plus the chance at something great.

[Srodeva]

I break it to get a set and the insert sets. cheapest way to do it.

If I can break even or just lose a little bit, and still get the set and most of the insert sets complete, that comes out way cheaper than buying a random box or two and then trying to piecemeal the rest of it.

And I know I can just buy the complete set in its entirety, but that's boring. I want the fun of ripping open the packs.

[hairysasquatch]

I break it to get a set and the insert sets. cheapest way to do it.

If I can break even or just lose a little bit, and still get the set and most of the insert sets complete, that comes out way cheaper than buying a random box or two and then trying to piecemeal the rest of it.

And I know I can just buy the complete set in its entirety, but that's boring. I want the fun of ripping open the packs.

That is my exact attitude, too - usually I do considerably better than I did here, but them's the breaks...

[dlcarst]

The number of scrub autos seems to have tripled from series 1 to series 2....

[Ajax1723]

Also just want to say, after my first batch of auctions ended tonight, sales are unusually low, this product is tanking, and tanking fast. Will be one of those products you can get for 350 a case after the season is over.

[auctionjmm]

Also just want to say, after my first batch of auctions ended tonight, sales are unusually low, this product is tanking, and tanking fast. Will be one of those products you can get for 350 a case after the season is over.

That is interesting, especially for Series 2. Typically the content of wax cases or the quality of case breaks has nothing to do with the actual single sales (separate markets), and yet I've too noticed less action on singles. Very strange for a staple product like Series 2. Where are all the set builders from Series 1?

[Ajax1723]

That is interesting, especially for Series 2. Typically the content of wax cases or the quality of case breaks has nothing to do with the actual single sales (separate markets), and yet I've too noticed less action on singles. Very strange for a staple product like Series 2. Where are all the set builders from Series 1?

Not sure, but it is concerning. I went from breaking even to most likely a 300 dollar loss on my 4 cases very quickly, and am resorting to sending more stuff than usual to COMC, assuming that people are waiting on stuff for whatever reason. Insert sets aren't even selling. It's very weird indeed.

[elijahdf11]

Not sure, but it is concerning. I went from breaking even to most likely a 300 dollar loss on my 4 cases very quickly, and am resorting to sending more stuff than usual to COMC, assuming that people are waiting on stuff for whatever reason. Insert sets aren't even selling. It's very weird indeed.
How are your short prints selling? Those usually take a big hit a few days later.

[Carrbeaz]

If people would stop undercutting each other the card prices would probably hold their value... The bigger name SPs are already below $25

[Ajax1723]

How are your short prints selling? Those usually take a big hit a few days later.

SPs were anywhere between 7-20 (Ortiz). That's the only thing that sold well. The autos are horrible, the coins were ridiculously bad, and the relics obviously aren't that good. Just no one buying this stuff, and the fact that they super printed like 8 of the autos doesn't help.

I busted 24 Jumbo boxes. I got the following autos:

Jason Kipnis, Did Gregorius x2, Tyler Skaggs x4, Collin Cowgill x2, Bruce Rondon x2, Paco Rodriguez, Alex Cobb, Chris Archer, Zack Cozart x3, Brock Holt x2, David Cooper, Scott Diamond, Nick Maronde x2, Cole De Vries.

That's ridiculous. Can only hope Update is better.

[hairysasquatch]

Not sure, but it is concerning. I went from breaking even to most likely a 300 dollar loss on my 4 cases very quickly, and am resorting to sending more stuff than usual to COMC, assuming that people are waiting on stuff for whatever reason. Insert sets aren't even selling. It's very weird indeed.

Ajax - my condolences - I think this should be the official theme song to break '13 Series 2 to... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w26pW2Uz2-Y

Seriously, if they butcher Update I will be taking 2014 off from base Topps breaks. I guess the lesson is not to pull the trigger without a better sense of at least the auto checklist...

[Ajax1723]

Ajax - my condolences - I think this should be the official theme song to break '13 Series 2 to... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w26pW2Uz2-Y

Seriously, if they butcher Update I will be taking 2014 off from base Topps breaks. I guess the lesson is not to pull the trigger without a better sense of at least the auto checklist...

Checklist did look at least decent, they just made basically zero of anyone decent. Makes sense as to why they took so long to make a checklist though. Also the lack of a wrapper redemption did not help, and horrible collation on the inserts prevented me from making as many sets as I wanted.

[calculusdork]

If people would stop undercutting each other the card prices would probably hold their value... The bigger name SPs are already below $25

I always chuckle when people say this. While I feel your pain, this is the natural order of markets. Meaning, anything contrary to "people undercutting each other" would be unnatural.

[elijahdf11]

Update could be great. If they have Harvey and possibly Puig in the relic set they can go for insane prices for just a relic card.

[Ajax1723]

Update could be great. If they have Harvey and possibly Puig in the relic set they can go for insane prices for just a relic card.

Puig will only be in the relic set if he makes the all star game.

[emilydan]

Tough break as far as the autos go - I was trying to decide between a hobby or a jumbo box but now I think I'll just stick with the hobby box. In the last jumbo box of Topps that I bought (last year) the auto was Mark Hamburger, probably the worst auto in Topps history LOL!

[jewcer2k5]

Tough break as far as the autos go - I was trying to decide between a hobby or a jumbo box but now I think I'll just stick with the hobby box. In the last jumbo box of Topps that I bought (last year) the auto was Mark Hamburger, probably the worst auto in Topps history LOL!

I got a pretty solid return on my 1st hobby case. I think it's been better than what I am seeing posted for the jumbo's.

[emilydan]

I got a pretty solid return on my 1st hobby case. I think it's been better than what I am seeing posted for the jumbo's.

Good to know - I'll definitely stick with the Hobby then - Thanks!

[boardermartin]

I would like to get the Travis Wood Black if you want to part with it. Shoot me a PM

[Davesportscards]

Also just want to say, after my first batch of auctions ended tonight, sales are unusually low, this product is tanking, and tanking fast. Will be one of those products you can get for 350 a case after the season is over.

If people would stop undercutting each other the card prices would probably hold their value... The bigger name SPs are already below $25

I have 3 cards listed currently, first ones listed too. Only got 1 offer (and I should have taken it) and that was for my Harper Proven Mettle Copper /99. Not a single bite on my Goldschmidt Black or Koufax Elite Gold Parallel, all are set to OBO. Sucks.

[jewcer2k5]

I have 3 cards listed currently, first ones listed too. Only got 1 offer (and I should have taken it) and that was for my Harper Proven Mettle Copper /99. Not a single bite on my Goldschmidt Black or Koufax Elite Gold Parallel, all are set to OBO. Sucks.

Was hoping I'd get an offer on my Bench Proven Mettle Steel 5/10, but still nothing. Also combined some SP's with some DieCuts to help people get full collections of dude's they want. No bites yet, but the weekend is coming.

[Ajax1723]

Was hoping I'd get an offer on my Bench Proven Mettle Steel 5/10, but still nothing. Also combined some SP's with some DieCuts to help people get full collections of dude's they want. No bites yet, but the weekend is coming.

Shouldn't need the weekend. Sales are eerily bad for this release. Also odd because it is not like there are any big releases in the near future to make sense of it, with only Bowman Inception and Tier One coming out in the next month, both hit based products.

[Davesportscards]

Shouldn't need the weekend. Sales are eerily bad for this release. Also odd because it is not like there are any big releases in the near future to make sense of it, with only Bowman Inception and Tier One coming out in the next month, both hit based products.

First time trying to sell items like this. (I'm referring to selling the week of release) And I'm not too happy about the results so far. I listed 2 of the 3 I'm trying to move on tuesday.

[Srodeva]

are things bad because this was released too close to bowman?

seems like 75% of the posts on the regular and break boards are Bowman related. not very scientific, but it could be a sign of what collector's are focused on at the moment.

maybe things will pick up in a few weeks when bowman dies down.

[Ajax1723]

are things bad because this was released too close to bowman?

Two products aren't related, Bowman is prospect based, Series 2 is rookie and veteran based.

I can't think of a good reason for this being bad other than the weak base checklist, but that doesn't explain why manu relic/SPs don't seem to be as strong as Series 1.

My guess is this release will drive out the remaining "casual" case breakers, as even a decent break this time around isn't going to break even, let alone make money.

[jewcer2k5]

Two products aren't related, Bowman is prospect based, Series 2 is rookie and veteran based.

I can't think of a good reason for this being bad other than the weak base checklist, but that doesn't explain why manu relic/SPs don't seem to be as strong as Series 1.

My guess is this release will drive out the remaining "casual" case breakers, as even a decent break this time around isn't going to break even, let alone make money.

Glad I picked this product to get started case breaking again! I'm thinking I can still get close to even because of the SP's and the Steel Proven Mettle.

We will see, but even if I lose I'm still gonna go for the Bowman Chrome.

What does everyone think of the Bowman Platinum?

[Ajax1723]

Glad I picked this product to get started case breaking again! I'm thinking I can still get close to even because of the SP's and the Steel Proven Mettle.

We will see, but even if I lose I'm still gonna go for the Bowman Chrome.

What does everyone think of the Bowman Platinum?

Bowman Platinum is one of the mid-end worst re-sale products ever. I don't even touch it. Absolutely no resale value.

Hate to burst your bubble but the Bench Metal /10 isn't worth that much. The one /50 went for 23, so I would say the /10 version is worth about 50, maybe 60 if you are lucky. What SPs did you pull. Harper and Trout are going for 25-40, Ortiz for 15-20, all the others are below 10 at this point pretty much.

[jewcer2k5]

Bowman Platinum is one of the mid-end worst re-sale products ever. I don't even touch it. Absolutely no resale value.

Hate to burst your bubble but the Bench Metal /10 isn't worth that much. The one /50 went for 23, so I would say the /10 version is worth about 50, maybe 60 if you are lucky. What SPs did you pull. Harper and Trout are going for 25-40, Ortiz for 15-20, all the others are below 10 at this point pretty much.

Harper, Trout, Ortiz, Bundy, Cespedes, Miggy, Upton, Adrian Gonzo.

Also pulled the Harper Making Their Mark Relic...

On the Platinum - Just talked to someone else with the same feedback, appreciate it!

[auctionjmm]

Oddly enough, sales have been picking up with each day. All of my insert sets are closing well above what they were on Tues/Wed/Thurs and I am suddenly getting much interest on the parallels. A bunch of BINs got hit too. I think this surge will be very helpful to sellers if you still had merch left going into today.

[babybull]

I always chuckle when people say this. While I feel your pain, this is the natural order of markets. Meaning, anything contrary to "people undercutting each other" would be unnatural.

Correct. It's the simple laws of supply and demand.

[Srodeva]

Oddly enough, sales have been picking up with each day. All of my insert sets are closing well above what they were on Tues/Wed/Thurs and I am suddenly getting much interest on the parallels. A bunch of BINs got hit too. I think this surge will be very helpful to sellers if you still had merch left going into today.

I still stick by my Bowman theory. :D:)!

[jewcer2k5]

I still stick by my Bowman theory. :D:)!

Whats that?

[marauder03]

I have gotten more money for some insert sets this time compared to series 1. Look at completed sales and there are like 10-20. For series one it was hundreds. I will see though cases still aren't here, but I did more presell this time. Hopefully Monday

[Berkman32]

Please PM me if you still have the Berkman