Leaf? Uhm..expain this

[NoobCollector]

DBenjie's 2013 Leaf Rookie Retro 5 Box Case Break - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQK9PgqGLec)

The second box a Bryce Harper Aflac AU was pulled. It was not graded...and the question is why did Leaf not get it graded..it looks to be in great condition. After reading through the comments someone brought up the fact that the Aflac AU's were numbered /230 or something like that...meaning Leaf bought the Bryce Harper non-auto'd..had it auto'd by throwing a few $ to Harper..basically the Harper Aflac AU's aren't the ones from packs...so Beckett wouldn't grade a non packed-out auto.

[Bars and Bar]

What's wrong with that? Nothing.

[NoobCollector]

I guess some people would be fine with it...but to me it's basically taking a card getting it signed IP...getting it authenticated and having it put into a product...it's not an authentic Aflac AU...rather an Aflac card with an IP AU...

[JeHHH]

They gave those aflac cards to people at the game. My guess is that someone must have had it signed at the game and then had it sent to PSA to have the autograph certified. Then Leaf probably bought it once it was slabbed

[avjp87]

I guess some people would be fine with it...but to me it's basically taking a card getting it signed IP...getting it authenticated and having it put into a product...it's not an authentic Aflac AU...rather an Aflac card with an IP AU...

well what do you think they do with the older players rookie cards that are autographed? They get them to sign it IP.

[NoobCollector]

well what do you think they do with the older players rookie cards that are autographed? They get them to sign it IP.

I haven't seen any come out..I only watched a couple breaks on YT. But the question is...buying this product and knowing that the Harper Aflac you pulled is basically an IP au..wouldn't upset you?

[rudyjustinfarrell]

DBenjie's 2013 Leaf Rookie Retro 5 Box Case Break - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQK9PgqGLec)

The second box a Bryce Harper Aflac AU was pulled. It was not graded...and the question is why did Leaf not get it graded..it looks to be in great condition. After reading through the comments someone brought up the fact that the Aflac AU's were numbered /230 or something like that...meaning Leaf bought the Bryce Harper non-auto'd..had it auto'd by throwing a few $ to Harper..basically the Harper Aflac AU's aren't the ones from packs...so Beckett wouldn't grade a non packed-out auto.

I don't think that Leaf went to all that much trouble. Read comment below...

They gave those aflac cards to people at the game. My guess is that someone must have had it signed at the game and then had it sent to PSA to have the autograph certified. Then Leaf probably bought it once it was slabbed

I do think (hope) that this was the case. The problem I see is that Leaf didn't feel like springing ($$$) for the real thing. The auto looks clean, so there is an excellent chance that PSA did it's job in authenticating it. But c'mon....


If I had pulled it? I would have been less than happy.

[mcgoo2]

I don't see any problem with it. There are plenty of players in this product with their rookie card signed IP. The Mays and Koufax versions are even some of the chase cards.

[Srt42004n]

as ive said before...wasn't leaf the one who had the fake harper platinum auto?

[hychang5]

Not a fan of IP autos in this product, but technically nothing "shady" going on. I just think for newer players it's stupid, Bryce has a good number of pack inserted rookie year autos they could have put in this product. Of course the older players I understand but if a player has cards in the era of pack inserted rookie autos, IP autos are a cheap and lazy way for Leaf to stuff boxed IMO.

[NoobCollector]

I don't see any problem with it. There are plenty of players in this product with their rookie card signed IP. The Mays and Koufax versions are even some of the chase cards.
I can understand that..but Harper has toooons of RC AU's..just use on of those instead of using an IP Harper AU.
as ive said before...wasn't leaf the one who had the fake harper platinum auto?
Really? Never heard that before..
Not a fan of IP autos in this product, but technically nothing "shady" going on. I just think for newer players it's stupid, Bryce has a good number of pack inserted rookie year autos they could have put in this product. Of course the older players I understand but if a player has cards in the era of pack inserted rookie autos, IP autos are a cheap and lazy way for Leaf to stuff boxed IMO.

Maybe not technically..but these people who aren't familiar with the product might be getting super excited to get a Harper Aflac AU..when it's not that EXACTLY.

[hychang5]

Maybe not technically..but these people who aren't familiar with the product might be getting super excited to get a Harper Aflac AU..when it's not that EXACTLY.

Well they're still getting a Harper autograph, but yes that's one of the reasons I don't like Leaf making modifications to ANY card. The card's value should come from the original card. They bill this as a chance to pull the best rookie cards. Once they modify it, I feel it's a lazy way to attempt to inflate value on an otherwise not so desirable rookie card. I'll take Dominque Wilkins rookie card, which is an okay card, but not exactly a high value hit. I don't see any value in adding his signature to it, I'd rather get a BGS 9.5 of that same exact card.

On a side note though, it's still a helllll of a lot better product than that junk Super Box stuff from sbaycards. That product is an insulting inventory dump.

[Keyser Soze]

What the hell do they need to explain? Just because it isn't the BEST version of that card doesn't mean that it isn't a good version of that card. Those AFLAC cards are handed out at the game with an autograph window on them so that people can get IP autos at the game, what the hell is wrong with Leaf buying an authenticated one and inserting it into a product?

[NoobCollector]

Well they're still getting a Harper autograph, but yes that's one of the reasons I don't like Leaf making modifications to ANY card. The card's value should come from the original card. They bill this as a chance to pull the best rookie cards. Once they modify it, I feel it's a lazy way to attempt to inflate value on an otherwise not so desirable rookie card. I'll take Dominque Wilkins rookie card, which is an okay card, but not exactly a high value hit. I don't see any value in adding his signature to it, I'd rather get a BGS 9.5 of that same exact card.

On a side note though, it's still a helllll of a lot better product than that junk Super Box stuff from sbaycards. That product is an insulting inventory dump.
Exactly. I'd prefer the original card rather than an IP AUTO. I'm not saying that's it stop buying the product..I'm not saying leaf is bad..I'm just saying it seems like, as other said, a lazy attempt at building a decent product.
What the hell do they need to explain? Just because it isn't the BEST version of that card doesn't mean that it isn't a good version of that card. Those AFLAC cards are handed out at the game with an autograph window on them so that people can get IP autos at the game, what the hell is wrong with Leaf buying an authenticated one and inserting it into a product?

Someones angry. Lol. Relax..breathe in..breathe out. There ya gp. I'm not saying it's bad..but when they say rookie retro is getting the best RC's out there..I'd rather have a chance at getting the ORIGINAL rookie retro card..rather than an IP auto. If they have a mix of both..I'm ok with that, but I don't know if they shelled out the $ for the /230 Version.

[calculusdork]

What the hell do they need to explain? Just because it isn't the BEST version of that card doesn't mean that it isn't a good version of that card. Those AFLAC cards are handed out at the game with an autograph window on them so that people can get IP autos at the game, what the hell is wrong with Leaf buying an authenticated one and inserting it into a product?

Someones angry. Lol. Relax..breathe in..breathe out. There ya gp. I'm not saying it's bad..but when they say rookie retro is getting the best RC's out there..I'd rather have a chance at getting the ORIGINAL rookie retro card..rather than an IP auto. If they have a mix of both..I'm ok with that, but I don't know if they shelled out the $ for the /230 Version.

I can see both sides of it actually. While it still a nice card, and a legit one (just not from a pack) - it still seems a little deceptive is all. The average person pulling that card from a box of Rookie Retro would probably think it's a true AFLAC card.

[Keyser Soze]

Exactly. I'd prefer the original card rather than an IP AUTO. I'm not saying that's it stop buying the product..I'm not saying leaf is bad..I'm just saying it seems like, as other said, a lazy attempt at building a decent product.


Someones angry. Lol. Relax..breathe in..breathe out. There ya gp. I'm not saying it's bad..but when they say rookie retro is getting the best RC's out there..I'd rather have a chance at getting the ORIGINAL rookie retro card..rather than an IP auto. If they have a mix of both..I'm ok with that, but I don't know if they shelled out the $ for the /230 Version.

I'm not angry, you're applying the wrong tone to what you're reading, so shove your condascening commentary where the sun don't shine.

Just because you'd rather have the more expensive version doesn't mean that it deserves a thread with an overdramatic title that insinuates that Leaf did something wrong. Are you also going to start a new thread complaining that the Nolan Ryan that was pulled only graded a 5.5? I mean, Leaf obviously should have found a Pristine 10 one to meet your standards, because that would be the "best" RC of Nolan Ryan out there

[Keyser Soze]

I can see both sides of it actually. While it still a nice card, and a legit one (just not from a pack) - it still seems a little deceptive is all. The average person pulling that card from a box of Rookie Retro would probably think it's a true AFLAC card.

But doesn't that insinuate that it's Leaf's fault that the customer is too dumb/uneducated to know the difference?

[NoobCollector]

I'm not angry, you're applying the wrong tone to what you're reading, so shove your condascening commentary where the sun don't shine.

Just because you'd rather have the more expensive version doesn't mean that it deserves a thread with an overdramatic title that insinuates that Leaf did something wrong. Are you also going to start a new thread complaining that the Nolan Ryan that was pulled only graded a 5.5? I mean, Leaf obviously should have found a Pristine 10 one to meet your standards, because that would be the "best" RC of Nolan Ryan out there

I believe it's c-o-n-d-e-s-c-e-n-d-i-n-g. And I believe it's doesn't shine. And usually the sun shines everywhere..so there's nowhere I can apply it to.
Overdramatic? So you must like drama if you're clicking on the thread. Just leave and don't reply. Have a great day sir.

[Lowry]

I believe it's c-o-n-d-e-s-c-e-n-d-i-n-g. And I believe it's doesn't shine. And usually the sun shines everywhere..so there's nowhere I can apply it to.
Overdramatic? So you must like drama if you're clicking on the thread. Just leave and don't reply. Have a great day sir.

Are you being facetious, or do you really not know the phrase?

[dustyb1987]

That was my case.

[NoobCollector]

Are you being facetious, or do you really not know the phrase?

I know it's a phrase. Lol. I didn't start this thread to wage war against Bryan Gray. Just to have a CIVILIZED discussion about what people think about it..

[NoobCollector]

That was my case.

Nice case overall.

[Keyser Soze]

I believe it's c-o-n-d-e-s-c-e-n-d-i-n-g. And I believe it's doesn't shine. And usually the sun shines everywhere..so there's nowhere I can apply it to.
Overdramatic? So you must like drama if you're clicking on the thread. Just leave and don't reply. Have a great day sir.

Good job only addressing my iPhone fat-fingering typo and not the point I was making about the cards. Nice diversion tactics. "Hmmm, he made a great point, so let me only address the typing error and attempt to apply literal meanings to a figure of speech and maybe no one will notice that I'm, by default, admitting defeat""

[NoobCollector]

Good job only addressing my iPhone fat-fingering typo and not the point I was making about the cards. Nice diversion tactics. "Hmmm, he made a great point, so let me only address the typing error and attempt to apply literal meanings to a figure of speech and maybe no one will notice that I'm, by default, admitting defeat""

Lol. I was watching the video again. I don't expect every card to be in GEM MINT 10 WOW condition. I don't think anyone does. A 5.5 for a Ryan RC is still good. You can't compare the grading to inserting an IP auto...Also..the Ryan is worth more IMO than the Harper..even though it's a 5.5. I'd rather have the Ryan 5.5 than a random IP auto...

[Lowry]

I know it's a phrase. Lol. I didn't start this thread to wage war against Bryan Gray. Just to have a CIVILIZED discussion about what people think about it..

When you say Beckett wouldn't grade the card, that is not true. They would grade it, but you'd have to pay for the extra JSA service.

As someone else mentioned, Leaf doesn't get these graded. In my experience, these are cards purchased already slabbed.

Overall, I don't really see an issue with this card being pulled and I don't see the issue with the advertising. I can understand someone being disappointed pulling this card because they didn't pull one of the super high-end cards, but that is the gamble we take when we open any product.

[hychang5]

I'm not angry, you're applying the wrong tone to what you're reading, so shove your condascening commentary where the sun don't shine.

Just because you'd rather have the more expensive version doesn't mean that it deserves a thread with an overdramatic title that insinuates that Leaf did something wrong. Are you also going to start a new thread complaining that the Nolan Ryan that was pulled only graded a 5.5? I mean, Leaf obviously should have found a Pristine 10 one to meet your standards, because that would be the "best" RC of Nolan Ryan out there

Haha, c'mon.

I'm not angry.... shove it!

Brian?

[NoobCollector]

When you say Beckett wouldn't grade the card, that is not true. They would grade it, but you'd have to pay for the extra JSA service.

As someone else mentioned, Leaf doesn't get these graded. In my experience, these are cards purchased already slabbed.

Overall, I don't really see an issue with this card being pulled and I don't see the issue with the advertising. I can understand someone being disappointed pulling this card because they didn't pull one of the super high-end cards, but that is the gamble we take when we open any product.

Maybe they wouldn't grade it as an Autographed Bowman Aflac Card..they would as an In Person...I didn't know Leaf bought them slabbed already, so my mistake. Like I said..I would prefer a pack-pulled Harper AU from Bowman or TC..then one of these...I would still be super happy pulling the one dust pulled..but in terms of the chase..I think it would be nicer to have a true AU in the product...no?

[hychang5]

When you say Beckett wouldn't grade the card, that is not true. They would grade it, but you'd have to pay for the extra JSA service.

As someone else mentioned, Leaf doesn't get these graded. In my experience, these are cards purchased already slabbed.

Overall, I don't really see an issue with this card being pulled and I don't see the issue with the advertising. I can understand someone being disappointed pulling this card because they didn't pull one of the super high-end cards, but that is the gamble we take when we open any product.

Nothing definitive here, but I did have a card slabbed specifically for Leaf by BGS. It wasn't graded, but obviously was not bought slabbed:
EDIT: This was from a different product of course, but Leaf does buy unslabbed cards it seems.

http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad359/hychang5pc/null_zpsa87ac219.jpg

[NoobCollector]

Nothing definitive here, but I did have a card slabbed specifically for Leaf by BGS. It wasn't graded, but obviously was not bought slabbed:
EDIT: This was from a different product of course, but Leaf does buy unslabbed cards it seems.

http://i951.photobucket.com/albums/ad359/hychang5pc/null_zpsa87ac219.jpg

I think he was saying that for the rookie retro product..they bought all the slabbed cards...

[discostu]

* Switchin' to glide *

[Lowry]

Maybe they wouldn't grade it as an Autographed Bowman Aflac Card..they would as an In Person...I didn't know Leaf bought them slabbed already, so my mistake. Like I said..I would prefer a pack-pulled Harper AU from Bowman or TC..then one of these...I would still be super happy pulling the one dust pulled..but in terms of the chase..I think it would be nicer to have a true AU in the product...no?

There very well may be a true pack-pulled autograph in the product, I don't know the extent of the checklist. As far as whether it may be "nicer" or not, it may be "nicer", but these re-pack products are limited to what BG purchases.

[JohnnysBench]

What the hell do they need to explain? Just because it isn't the BEST version of that card doesn't mean that it isn't a good version of that card. Those AFLAC cards are handed out at the game with an autograph window on them so that people can get IP autos at the game, what the hell is wrong with Leaf buying an authenticated one and inserting it into a product?

I agree with this right here. Also, if the card said Topps certified Autographed issue on it, Like some UNSIGNED AFLAC cards Ive seen pulled lately, then I can understand a problem. The card makes no claims to that, so...no problem IMO...

[Keyser Soze]

Haha, c'mon.

I'm not angry.... shove it!

Brian?

For what it's worth, the OP and I have kissed and made up over PM. He's a good dude.

I'm defending Leaf because I just don't think that what they did was wrong. Would it have been better if they'd put a Topps certified Harper AFLAC #/230 in there? Of course. I just thought it a little overdramatic of the OP to act like what they did was shady or wrong and needed to be justified by the company. But I'm over it and moving on with my life. GOODBYE!

[calculusdork]

But doesn't that insinuate that it's Leaf's fault that the customer is too dumb/uneducated to know the difference?

Touche. :)

[Zoop]

I can see both sides of it actually. While it still a nice card, and a legit one (just not from a pack) - it still seems a little deceptive is all. The average person pulling that card from a box of Rookie Retro would probably think it's a true AFLAC card.

This. Seems shady to me, personally.

I'm not angry, you're applying the wrong tone to what you're reading, so shove your condascening commentary where the sun don't shine.

Dang, man. I read that like a dude shouting bloody murder "I'M NOOOOT ANGRYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!"

[arod305]

I've came to the conclusion that Leaf is a cancer to a hobby that is already going down hill. They will do anything to make a quick buck by deception.

[Keyser Soze]

Dang, man. I read that like a dude shouting bloody murder "I'M NOOOOT ANGRYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!"

See! THAT'S how an angry person types!

[Keyser Soze]

I've came to the conclusion that Leaf is a cancer to a hobby that is already going down hill. They will do anything to make a quick buck by deception.

I understand that some may not like their products, i'm not a fan of repackaged products myself, but what about them makes you use the term "cancer"? That seems a little harsh.

[MNmoose78]

That was my case.

Great case, I would had loved to have gotten that Harper instead of the BGS 8 Jeter SP that was in my case:cool: I did get a 82 traded Ripken authentic auto though, and it's pretty cool:)!

[1989FF]

Yes. Was cut up.

Aitx (BG Co.) listed fake Harper autograph - Page 5 (http://www.freedomcardboard.com/forum/baseball/113322-aitx-bg-co-listed-fake-harper-autograph-5.html)

as ive said before...wasn't leaf the one who had the fake harper platinum auto?

[hche]

People need to know what they are buying. I believe all Leaf slab auto card with the word authentic either mean the card didn't meet minimum grad or the auto is IP.

People needs to know how to differentiate cards. The pack issued AFLAC is serial numbered. This one is not. It is clear to me that is not the pack issued AFLAC.

This is no difference than Leaf putting Durant auto stickers on his Topps Chrome RC. Durant is UD exclusive and can't sign for Topps, so those cards are after-market added on. Those are slab as authentic with no grade also. They have also put Ripken's IP auto RC into numerous products.

There is nothing wrong with that card. An after market IP auto of Harper's Bowman AFLAC card.

[dustyb1987]

how would i go about getting this graded by beckett?

[Keyser Soze]

how would i go about getting this graded by beckett?

I wouldn't, I'd leave it just as it is. Those AFLAC were made on super thin card stock so corners and edges are TOUGH

[danimal875]

I think it is fake but is done well enough to get authenticated. It is autographed the same way he signed when he sat down and signed the numbered ones. An IP auto would be much less neat.

[Bob Loblaw]

For what it's worth, the OP and I have kissed and made up over PM. He's a good dude.

I'm defending Leaf because I just don't think that what they did was wrong. Would it have been better if they'd put a Topps certified Harper AFLAC #/230 in there? Of course. I just thought it a little overdramatic of the OP to act like what they did was shady or wrong and needed to be justified by the company. But I'm over it and moving on with my life. GOODBYE!

I completely agree. Leaf did nothing wrong here.

[dustyb1987]

still a nice card and still a high end card

[ninjacookies]

Leaf does this with all their buy back products. Even in basketball, they loaded up their Best Of boxes with Kevin Durant base chrome rookies with IP sticker autos and slabbed authentic by BGS.

Nothing new at all, a 5 minute search will give you all the info you need to know.

[tonedef2oo8]

as ive said before...wasn't leaf the one who had the fake harper platinum auto?

Why yes it was. Along with tons of other shady crap.