Billy Hamilton!

[DetectiveChrome]

Start the career countdown!

1st game, pinch runner

#1

http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/visual/whatshot/billy-hamilton-83013.jpg

[NeedChapmans]

First pitch ever ... stolen base.

First game winning run ever (most likely). Molina never had a chance.

[cardinalscards4]

#1 of 2,000?

[centereacan06]

He's going to finish the ML year with more stolen bases than at bats.

[DetectiveChrome]

First pitch ever ... stolen base.

First game winning run ever (most likely). Molina never had a chance.

Impressive

#1 of 2,000?

On second though 2000 is too much. 1000 is a lot and that could be attainable.

He's going to finish the ML year with more stolen bases than at bats.

Yes!

[Highroller]

Finally a spark this Reds team needed.

[tsnider45]

I didn't see it, but I heard he went in standing up and actually rounded the bag and picked up the third base coach.

[NeedChapmans]

#1 of 2,000?

Heh; unlikely. But I would say #1 of 1,000 at the very least. You can see why he's so valuable ... game is 0-0 in the 7th, Ryan Lead Foot Ludwick gets a single and then you can PR Hamilton.

Maness threw over the first three times, Billy steals on the first pitch, then a couple of mound step offs ... and Frazier doubles him home. So much focus on him and not the batter / it causes trouble.

To be able to do that in late game situations for the rest of the season is a big advantage for the Reds IMHO.

[Highroller]

Especially when the rest of the team doesn't run at all.

[NeedChapmans]

Especially when the rest of the team doesn't run at all.

It's insane to think that Cozart, a guy that has stolen 30+ bases in a season at AAA doesn't even have a single attempt this season. Outside of Choo and a spot start from Robinson, the team has lousy speed.

[Highroller]

And Choo's success rate is awful the last time I looked but he was the only one to even try.

[NeedChapmans]

And Choo's success rate is awful the last time I looked but he was the only one to even try.

17 for 27 ... worst success rate in his career by a large margin.

[dhendrix1303]

Eric Young Jr 2.0

[NeedChapmans]

Eric Young Jr 2.0

Eric Young stole a base in 7.6% of his plate appearances in the minors (only 96 SB's in 4 years).

Billy Hamilton has stolen a base in 16% of his plate appearances in the minors.

You cannot compare the two.

[jstbuch]

I think people also underestimate the value of speed guy in terms of their effect on opposing pitchers late in the game. It's so distracting to have to worry about him going that you aren't making your best pitches.

[dhendrix1303]

Eric Young stole a base in 7.6% of his plate appearances in the minors (only 96 SB's in 4 years).

Billy Hamilton has stolen a base in 16% of his plate appearances in the minors.

You cannot compare the two.

Minors and the Majors aren't the same thing.

You cannot compare the two.

[NeedChapmans]

Minors and the Majors aren't the same thing.

You cannot compare the two.

Well then how can you make such a statement considering Hamilton has yet to play in the major leagues? I'm comparing them the only way anyone can ... based on their playing time at the same level.

[jlzinck]

Rickey Henderson was reached for comment...."They did WHAT after his 1st stolen base?"

[dhendrix1303]

Well then how can you make such a statement considering Hamilton has yet to play in the major leagues? I'm comparing them the only way anyone can ... based on their playing time at the same level.

I was making a guess about who he might look like at the major league level.

You just assumed I was talking about minor league performance, I guess.

[jstbuch]

Minors and the Majors aren't the same thing.

You cannot compare the two.

But he isn't comparing Hamilton's minor league stats with Youngs major league stats which is the only reason that would be on point.

[dhendrix1303]

But he isn't comparing Hamilton's minor league stats with Youngs major league stats which is the only reason that would be on point.

See above post. Thanks.

[NeedChapmans]

I was making a guess about who he might look like at the major league level.

You just assumed I was talking about minor league performance, I guess.

EY Jr isn't nearly as fast as Hamilton. Perhaps if Hamilton broke both legs, and had to run on his hands, you might have a good guess there.

Fact of the matter is Hamilton has no comparison. No one has ever been as fast, and it's undisputed. Now, whether that speed can translate into SB's and a long successful career remains to be seen.

[Sqeeshy]

It's all up to Chapman to see if it was BHam's first game-winning run.

[NeedChapmans]

It's all up to Chapman to see if it was BHam's first game-winning run.

Aroldis Chapman has not pitched in 10 days. His ERA on 4+ days rest is 11.13.

Dusty Baker continues to take years from my life for allow Chapman so many days off so often. He refuses to pitch him anywhere but the 9th, with a lead.

God willing, Chapman will be sharp. But so many days off ... IDK.

[Highroller]

He was sharp!

[NeedChapmans]

He was sharp!

I've watched Chapman pitch every inning the last few years, and he's never been sharper. The sliders were down, the fastballs were up and the MPH was there.

Nervous for nothing. Best he's every thrown an innings. Reds have some MOJO now.

[dhendrix1303]

EY Jr isn't nearly as fast as Hamilton. Perhaps if Hamilton broke both legs, and had to run on his hands, you might have a good guess there.

Fact of the matter is Hamilton has no comparison. No one has ever been as fast, and it's undisputed. Now, whether that speed can translate into SB's and a long successful career remains to be seen.

Do you just read into everything too much all the time? I mean, seriously man.

2.0 means he is going to be better, which means he'll be faster and a better player. Where did I say Eric Young Jr is faster? I didn't. You just made it up.

You live under a dark rock my friend.

[cardinalscards4]

Holy s*** Chapman

[charbs91]

Chapman actually throw 103!?!?!

[MarshallCutler6]

I'm sorry, I just don't see it with this kid. His batting average and on base were terrible. I get that he is fast, but speed only gets you so far.

[NeedChapmans]

Do you just read into everything too much all the time? I mean, seriously man.

2.0 means he is going to be better, which means he'll be faster and a better player. Where did I say Eric Young Jr is faster? I didn't. You just made it up.

You live under a dark rock my friend.

When you only post three words in a thread ... you force those reading to draw their own conclusions.

Perhaps next time, you should explain yourself, rather than just harp on people who can counter with thought, reason and statistics.

BTW, is it possible to live under a light rock?

[dhendrix1303]

When you only post three words in a thread ... you force those reading to draw their own conclusions.

Perhaps next time, you should explain yourself, rather than just harp on people who can counter with thought, reason and statistics.

BTW, is it possible to live under a light rock?

I think most members understood what "Eric Young Jr 2.0" might entail. I forgot that if you think it in anyway degrades a player you have recklessly dumped thousands of dollars into - it would set you off on a rant.

[NeedChapmans]

I think most members understood what "Eric Young Jr 2.0" might entail. I forgot that if you think it in anyway degrades a player you have recklessly dumped thousands of dollars into - it would set you off on a rant.

Heh, you're just as vague as ever. "Most members ... might entail". English teachers always passing kids up the ladder. :(

See, now we're getting somewhere. I know you're not a fan of mine, and when you saw me happy about Billy Hamilton and his 15 seconds of fame tonight, you needed to make yourself feel better by throwing in that jab. I'm surprised you didn't say "Juan Pierre 2.0, or Dave Roberts 2.0". Perhaps you thought they were too good to compare to Hamilton.

Well kudos to you sir. Mission accomplished. I am now officially devastated to learn that Billy Hamilton is no better than an upgraded version of EY Jr and the thousands I have recklessly thrown into him; gone.

I'm going to drink myself to sleep.

[cardinalscards4]

I think most members understood what "Eric Young Jr 2.0" might entail. I forgot that if you think it in anyway degrades a player you have recklessly dumped thousands of dollars into - it would set you off on a rant.

I didn't. I didn't voice my opinion, but let's be honest, EY to BH makes no sense.

[dhendrix1303]

Heh, you're just as vague as ever. "Most members ... might entail". English teachers always passing kids up the ladder. :(

See, now we're getting somewhere. I know you're not a fan of mine, and when you saw me happy about Billy Hamilton and his 15 seconds of fame tonight, you needed to make yourself feel better by throwing in that jab. I'm surprised you didn't say "Juan Pierre 2.0, or Dave Roberts 2.0". Perhaps you thought they were too good to compare to Hamilton.

Well kudos to you sir. Mission accomplished. I am now officially devastated to learn that Billy Hamilton is no better than an upgraded version of EY Jr and the thousands I have recklessly thrown into him; gone.

I'm going to drink myself to sleep.

There you go again. Assuming things again! I'm not a fan of yours? Please show where I said that. My past forum posts are open to you.

After you down that glass of milk, please show me.

[centereacan06]

While both speedy, EYJ has a better bat while Hamilton has the upper hand on the base paths.

I've said it before. If he had above average stolen base numbers (20-30), or even good stolen base numbers (~40), Hamilton would be an okay player. Nothing great.

But since he can steal 80, 90, 100 bases, that makes him somebody to watch out for in the future.

[MarshallCutler6]

Tony campana 2.0. But tony hit .260 one season, something I don't think billy will do.

[lambeauleap87]

Consider me a Billy Hamilton fan. Hope to see him do well, he's exciting to watch and a nice kid.

[XL5]

Typical that we as a society celebrate theft and larceny. What about the children?

[scottmiles]

Michael Bourn 2.0

[dhendrix1303]

Michael Bourn 2.0

Uh Oh. Get ready for the thunder.

[dasiegel]

I'd like to use this opportunity to again point out I feel BH will be a very solid productive MLB player and will have a notably higher OBP than he did this year proving this was an aberration.

[RedsRule]

I'm biased but I think Hamilton will be a very good major league player. He obviously needs more work at the plate though.

[phabphour20]

Anyone remember Dave Roberts?

[cardinalsooner]

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/1975-Topps-Set-HERB-WASHINGTON-ROOKIE-407-OAKLAND-AS-PINCH-RUNNER-VG-EX-EX-/00/s/MTYwMFgxMTk1/z/5dUAAOxyMd1SEWk~/$(KGrHqV,!okFI!4v2tqSBSEWk-OSe!~~60_57.JPG

[dasiegel]

I'm biased but I think Hamilton will be a very good major league player. He obviously needs more work at the plate though.

I think people are way to hard on him bc he had one rough year at the plate. First of all, he batted .254, not .205. Secondly, he had a miserbaly start, his stats are greatly skewed by the 1st month of the season. After his 1st 4 games which he hit really well he didn't have a multi hit game for a month and put up a lot of 0/3 0/4 games. That isn't gonna be the norm and that's why he didn't lead the minors in steals this year. Third, last year he had a OBP of over.400 in A+ and 50 games at AA in the Southern League.

In summary, I think this kid is already a pretty decent hitter and it may take him a year or 2 to adjust to the minors but we are talking about a guy who should bat at least .270-.280 and can get you 75+ steals, which makes him an exciting potential star.

[jbettis32]

Go Billy Go~~~ and how high will this go when he gets some more winning runs in deep playoff games?

http://i1322.photobucket.com/albums/u579/jbettis32/Sports%20card/BHamiltonA_zps133b3e5c.jpg (http://s1322.photobucket.com/user/jbettis32/media/Sports%20card/BHamiltonA_zps133b3e5c.jpg.html)

For real, he may not be the monstrous "statistical" man, but he can really change the game with his heart and speed! He brings back the love and excitement to the game!

[kinar]

That isn't gonna be the norm and that's why he didn't lead the minors in steals this year.

I'm pretty sure he did still lead the minors this year. Not by much (there were a couple other players within 2-5) but I couldn't find anyone in any league with more than his 75 bags.

[dasiegel]

I'm pretty sure he did still lead the minors this year. Not by much (there were a couple other players within 2-5) but I couldn't find anyone in any league with more than his 75 bags.

Micah Johnson Stats, Bio, Photos, Highlights | MiLB.com Stats | The Official Site of Minor League Baseball (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=608672)

[dhendrix1303]

.312 and 84 bags. Looks like a Billy Hamilton 2.0

[HOFcollector]

this had already been said, but speed can only get you so far

[centereacan06]

this had already been said, but speed can only get you so far

Especially as he gets older. He's ran more than anybody in professional baseball for his career thus far. I can't imagine his knees surviving a long career.

[HOFcollector]

Especially as he gets older. He's ran more than anybody in professional baseball for his career thus far. I can't imagine his knees surviving a long career.

Exactly. He is a below average hitter against minor league pitching, let alone major league pitching, he is an average fielder, it just blows my mind that people invest money in him because he can steal bases.

I never wish anyone bad, even though he is on a division rival team to the Pirates, I hope I am wrong and he has success.

[texgator]

The New Sliding Billy Hamilton - The Triangle Blog - Grantland (http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/73379/the-new-sliding-billy-hamilton)

A pretty good breakdown of BHam's first MLB experience.

[HOFcollector]

just saw the clip of his first stolen base last night...obviously this is up for debate and subject to opinion but...good throw he is out.

[charbs91]

just saw the clip of his first stolen base last night...obviously this is up for debate and subject to opinion but...good throw he is out.

Molina had to rush the throw to even have a chance, that's a SB on any catcher in the MLB in my opinion.

[NeedChapmans]

just saw the clip of his first stolen base last night...obviously this is up for debate and subject to opinion but...good throw he is out.

No debate ... Hamilton would have been caught with a good throw. Maness had given up 1 SB all season, Molina the best defensive catcher in the game. Hamilton with a very poor lead, outside fastball (the worst pitch to steal on).

Still stolen. He'll be caught in situations like these every so often, but speed causes mistakes. There's no way of knowing what Hamilton becomes in this league, but there's no denying how valuable he can be in late game situations (where you can just plug him in like last night).

[HOFcollector]

No debate ... Hamilton would have been caught with a good throw. Maness had given up 1 SB all season, Molina the best defensive catcher in the game. Hamilton with a very poor lead, outside fastball (the worst pitch to steal on).

Still stolen. He'll be caught in situations like these every so often, but speed causes mistakes. There's no way of knowing what Hamilton becomes in this league, but there's no denying how valuable he can be in late game situations (where you can just plug him in like last night).

Agreed. Like I said, i hope he has success, its just hard to see someone so one dimensional be super successful.

[metsplaya123]

You never know. That's all I will say

[Jaypers]

You couldn't ask for a better first impression from B-Ham. He swiped his first ML bag from a catcher with a 90 arm on the 20-80 scale.

Kudos.

[kinar]

Micah Johnson Stats, Bio, Photos, Highlights | MiLB.com Stats | The Official Site of Minor League Baseball (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=608672)

Ahh...Thanks for the info. I missed it cause I was looking at a single league at a time (which I should have thought about considering that Hamilton himself led 2 different leagues last year when he set the record).

[mainerunr]

Ok, so his average overall was not great this year. Slow start. After the all star break he hit .283 and while that is not great, with his speed, if he has any kind of glove it will be enough.

[charbs91]

Just need him to sign my inception 1/1 auto!

[dasiegel]

just saw the clip of his first stolen base last night...obviously this is up for debate and subject to opinion but...good throw he is out.

Yea but think about it this way, bad lead, you know the guy is in for 1 reason and you still don't get him out, that's a huge asset to a team. I'd like to point out also that he's actually getting caught less this year at AAA than he did last year at lower levels.

You couldn't ask for a better first impression from B-Ham. He swiped his first ML bag from a catcher with a 90 arm on the 20-80 scale.

Kudos.

Word:cool:

Ahh...Thanks for the info. I missed it cause I was looking at a single league at a time (which I should have thought about considering that Hamilton himself led 2 different leagues last year when he set the record).

I forgive you, lol.

Agreed. Like I said, i hope he has success, its just hard to see someone so one dimensional be super successful.

That's the thing though he's not just that one dimensional, only the first month of this season was he so bad that his #s appear that way. he's a pretty solid batter... crap you guys are gonna make me do math to prove my point, brb...:mad:
...:confused:
...:rolleyes:
ok, i'm only gonna do a little math, lol. you guys will have to do the rest. but during the 1st month of the season he was 18/88 in 23 games. thats a.204 batting average to start the season! That means the rest of the season he batted .267. Not that .267 is strong but picture how many more SBs that would mean if he was on base that much more. He'd have a few more walks. These translate into runs. Not to mention that if you look at his average at all levels from 2010-2012 it's likely he'll bat higher than .267.

Wouldn't all of you want a guy with his speed that bats say .275? Plus he's still young, he can improve his hitting.

[frozenntimesports]

He's going to bat .250 because he'll get a lot of infield hits, but the kid is still young and has time to figure out the strike zone, if he does, watch out, Vince Coleman-like seasons could be coming.

[DetectiveChrome]

If Cincy can muster a hit in the bot 9th....Billy Ham Time!!!!!!!

[NeedChapmans]

If Cincy can muster a hit in the bot 9th....Billy Ham Time!!!!!!!

This game isn't ending anytime soon. STL with the advantage now in the 11th, top of the order and the Cincy guns in the pen already used.

[RedsRule]

Hamilton just stole base #2 on Molina.

[Eamus Catuli]

And tied!!!!!

[illadelf]

haha he does it again

[Highroller]

Billy magic strikes again

[WCTYSON]

haha he does it again

That was fun to watch for sure.

[NeedChapmans]

That kid has saved the Reds twice now ... (maybe).

Just amazing.

[WCTYSON]

That kid has saved the Reds twice now ... (maybe).

Just amazing.

MLB Tonight breakdown:

Trout and Henderson - 12 steps, then slide..........:)!

Sanders - 11 steps, then slide..........:D

Hamilton - 10 steps, then slide..........:eek::devil:

[jbettis32]

He is not power lifting the Reds, but he did all little stealings and runnings for the wins~~

Go Billy Go!!

[MarshallCutler6]

Did he get an at bat today?

[raidersfan1983]

Did he get an at bat today?

nope, PR in 14th, SB, run, replaced in order by pitcher

[base set]

Red Sox picked up Quintin Berry too.....

Pinch Runner is probably smartest to carry on a team in September. Works in playoffs too if the 5th starter isn't moved to the Bullpen.

[NeedChapmans]

Unfortunately, this kind of success for Hamilton is going to make it difficult for him to get AB's. Why risk not being able to use him late in a game ...

He may just have more SB's and AB's in 2013.

[centereacan06]

Unfortunately, this kind of success for Hamilton is going to make it difficult for him to get AB's. Why risk not being able to use him late in a game ...

He may just have more SB's and AB's in 2013.

Haha, I said the same thing.

He's going to be put on the playoff roster, right? I can't imagine not taking his speed into October. Just look at what David Robertson did for the Sox in 2004.

[NeedChapmans]

Haha, I said the same thing.

He's going to be put on the playoff roster, right? I can't imagine not taking his speed into October. Just look at what David Robertson did for the Sox in 2004.

If by playoff roster you mean the one game the Reds are likely to play, then yes, I think so.

Tonight's loss for the Reds is just about as devastating a regular season loss as you can have. Dusty Baker and his ridiculousness strikes again. :(

[centereacan06]

If by playoff roster you mean the one game the Reds are likely to play, then yes, I think so.

Tonight's loss for the Reds is just about as devastating a regular season loss as you can have. Dusty Baker and his ridiculousness strikes again. :(

Hey, don't take that one game for granted.

The Mets will gladly take it if you don't want it :D

[NeedChapmans]

Hey, don't take that one game for granted.

The Mets will gladly take it if you don't want it :D

A bit off track here, but the Reds don't have the line-up to be a WS contender right now. Joey Votto, their 200 million dollar man is just killing them (his error, 0-7 and 3K with runners on 3rd tonight). Hitting .125 with the bases loaded this year; under .100 with RISP post all star break.

It's brutal. Absolutely brutal. I can't think of a worse player to have up when you need a hit.

[centereacan06]

A bit off track here, but the Reds don't have the line-up to be a WS contender right now. Joey Votto, their 200 million dollar man is just killing them (his error, 0-7 and 3K with runners on 3rd tonight). Hitting .125 with the bases loaded this year; under .100 with RISP post all star break.

It's brutal. Absolutely brutal. I can't think of a worse player to have up when you need a hit.

Don't really pay attention to the Reds, so that's very surprising to see. I thought he was a stud in those situations.

[stryke3_mb]

The one problem with his success is his card prices. I'm from the same hometown of 1,200 people and have been watching him play since T-Ball. Naturally, I start a huge Billy Hamilton collection. At first, the autos and 1/1's were $3-10 each. That has changed a bit over the last year... Oh well, I'm thrilled for him and excited for the future! I'm sure everyone reading this has had similar situations with a PC guy or two.

[jlzinck]

The one problem with his success is his card prices. I'm from the same hometown of 1,200 people and have been watching him play since T-Ball. Naturally, I start a huge Billy Hamilton collection. At first, the autos and 1/1's were $3-10 each. That has changed a bit over the last year... Oh well, I'm thrilled for him and excited for the future! I'm sure everyone reading this has had similar situations with a PC guy or two.

That's why this exists so people can pum their chests and make money.

Glad you have a connection to the kid. Enjoy watching him play

[tsnider45]

If by playoff roster you mean the one game the Reds are likely to play, then yes, I think so.

Tonight's loss for the Reds is just about as devastating a regular season loss as you can have. Dusty Baker and his ridiculousness strikes again. :(

It's not that bad.

Sincerely,

The Toronto Blue Jays.

[NeedChapmans]

I'm pretty sure Hamilton would steal 1,000 bases in a season if Paco Rodriguez was on the hill every night. Geesh.

[Highroller]

3 for 3!!!

[Jaypers]

4 for 4, gents. :)!

[Sqeeshy]

2nd career game-winning run scored! :flex:

[eaglescubs555]

Perfect night to end my blue chrome auto :devil:

[mwash1983]

This guy is going to be a novelty act his whole career. People are going to over spend on a guy who might be the next Vince Coleman or Otis Nixon.

[dodger]

He's just awesome to watch.

[DetectiveChrome]

Thanks for keeping the countdown alive!

[Carrbeaz]

This guy is going to be a novelty act his whole career. People are going to over spend on a guy who might be the next Vince Coleman or Otis Nixon.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTLHRpL1ck_cRaZr2MybzpUC28I3HkcR0y4eNgae-G46Z4Fm0Hx

[sthoemke]

Position: Pinch Runner. 3 steals in 0 at bats.

Billy Hamilton Statistics and History - Baseball-Reference.com (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hamilbi02.shtml)

So, is he going to step up to the plate at all?

[Highroller]

Position: Pinch Runner. 3 steals in 0 at bats.

Billy Hamilton Statistics and History - Baseball-Reference.com (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hamilbi02.shtml)

So, is he going to step up to the plate at all?

Highly doubtful in a pennant race.

[sthoemke]

This guy is going to be a novelty act his whole career. People are going to over spend on a guy who might be the next Vince Coleman or Otis Nixon.

More like the next Herb Washington

Herb Washington - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herb_Washington)

[NeedChapmans]

More like the next Herb Washington

Herb Washington - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herb_Washington)

Its one thing if you want to say Herb Washington because he never had an AB and was only used as a pinch runner ... but Herb Washington was caught stealing 35% of the time; and only played one season.

Hamilton has stolen four bases in four attempts. 4/4 against the two best catchers in baseball (for SB%). Small sample size, no comparisons to make ... just take it for the face value it is / Hamilton has been able to help Cincinnati win games late. Nothing more, nothing less.

[RedsRule]

Hamilton will get some at bats before the season is over, just not against the Dodgers or Pirates or Cardinals.

[jbettis32]

Is there really no love for billy hamilton? If some other names pop up to get 4 steals in 4 straight games with two winning runs, shouldn't he get more respect than being kept criticized? Did Harper or Trout have more impact than him when they firstly played in the big league? Even praise some yet to come "prospects" than the one already "did" the great thing in the majors! Shouldn't baseball consider as a team sport that every player is helping the team to win? And it is excatly what Billyham did for cincy!

[WCTYSON]

Its one thing if you want to say Herb Washington because he never had an AB and was only used as a pinch runner ... but Herb Washington was caught stealing 35% of the time; and only played one season.

Hamilton has stolen four bases in four attempts. 4/4 against the two best catchers in baseball (for SB%). Small sample size, no comparisons to make ... just take it for the face value it is / Hamilton has been able to help Cincinnati win games late. Nothing more, nothing less.

Indeed he has, help them win once again. Very fun to watch. Fun fact, he has a higher WAR than Starlin Castro. :eek:

[MarshallCutler6]

Is there really no love for billy hamilton? If some other names pop up to get 4 steals in 4 straight games with two winning runs, shouldn't he get more respect than being kept criticized? Did Harper or Trout have more impact than him when they firstly played in the big league? Even praise some yet to come "prospects" than the one already "did" the great thing in the majors! Shouldn't baseball consider as a team sport that every player is helping the team to win? And it is excatly what Billyham did for cincy!

He doesn't have an at bat, and yet people are treating him like Miguel Cabrera because he has stolen some bases.

[WCTYSON]

Indeed he has, help them win once again. Very fun to watch. Fun fact, he has a higher WAR than Starlin Castro. :eek:

He doesn't have an at bat, and yet people are treating him like Miguel Cabrera because he has stolen some bases.

And yet he is still more valuable than Castro. :eek: That has to hurt.

[base set]

c'mon people, the real question is ... will Topps put "PR", or the full-on "Pinch Runner", on his cards next year? 38 years later, it's time.

[RedsRule]

He doesn't have an at bat, and yet people are treating him like Miguel Cabrera because he has stolen some bases.

I haven't seen anyone saying he will be a hall of fame type player. In fact, it has been the opposite for the most part. People saying he will be a bust, Tony Campana 2.0, etc.