2011 Allen and Ginter hot packs - rip or sell?

[needmore]

I bought three "hot packs" of 2011 Allen and Ginter on a whim on Ebay a few days ago (paid $18 total). Now I'm not sure I want to open them and thinking of reselling on Ebay. Don't want to be stuck with relic cards of Vernon Wells. Any thoughts?

[jmscoggin]

i bought three "hot packs" of 2011 allen and ginter on a whim on ebay a few days ago (paid $18 total). Now i'm not sure i want to open them and thinking of reselling on ebay. Don't want to be stuck with relic cards of vernon wells. Any thoughts?

NVM

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[ALBASKETBALL]

Burn them and keep some dignity

[mikecamp99]

I bought three "hot packs" of 2011 Allen and Ginter on a whim on Ebay a few days ago (paid $18 total). Now I'm not sure I want to open them and thinking of reselling on Ebay. Don't want to be stuck with relic cards of Vernon Wells. Any thoughts?

O boy, you just unleashed the hounds...

[phabphour20]

Open them and then file Item Not as Described cases with the seller(s). This is a disgusting practice by packsearchers. They should all pay. Demand a refund. Replace the "hit" which will be a $1 relic with two base cards. Rinse and repeat.

[pickle86]

Open them and then file Item Not as Described cases with the seller(s). This is a disgusting practice by packsearchers. They should all pay. Demand a refund. Replace the "hit" which will be a $1 relic with two base cards. Rinse and repeat.

wow, just wow....

even though its immoral, what you would be doing to these searchers by opening inad case is worse than them searching the packs up

[Keyser Soze]

wow, just wow....

even though its immoral, what you would be doing to these searchers by opening inad case is worse than them searching the packs up

I disagree. I am 100% in favor of tilting the scales and making the immoral practice of packsearching more than a hassle than it's worth.

[stormshadow815]

Open them and then file Item Not as Described cases with the seller(s). This is a disgusting practice by packsearchers. They should all pay. Demand a refund. Replace the "hit" which will be a $1 relic with two base cards. Rinse and repeat.


You should be ashamed... Packsearchers are lame but not doing anything illegal. You on the other hand are scum for even contemplating this.

[phabphour20]

wow, just wow....

even though its immoral, what you would be doing to these searchers by opening inad case is worse than them searching the packs up

Let's assume that there are still kids out there that enjoy this hobby. Let's also assume the way they get their hands on cards is to pull on mommy's sweater when she's picking up her Ring Dings that she hides from Daddy at Target.

Little Bobby steers his mother over to the card section and begs for two packs of Allen and Ginter. Mommy indulges this payoff so Bobby won't notice the Ring Dings and tell Daddy.

Fat Rick has already fondled all the packs, smearing them with grease from the two personal Pizza Hut pan pizzas he bought in the food court at Target from his ill-gotten gains selling hot packs on eBay.

Little Bobby rips his packs open in the car on the way home, wiping the pizza grease off his hands onto the leather in Mommy's new Honda Pilot. He pulls... a bunch of base cards. He loses his taste for the hobby and never grows up to buy one of the expensive cards that I have for sale on eBay in 10 years.

I can now not afford to send my two kids to private school. They end up hanging out with the Murray kids down the street, turn goth, write slam poetry about their poor roots and snort bath salts to escape the pain and ignominy of being from that family that just-couldn't-quite-hold-it-together-long-enough to get the kids off to college before letting money tear them apart, leading to my wife sneaking Ring Dings and starting the whole process over again.

PACKSEARCHERS RUIN EVERYTHING.

[shrevecity]

You should be ashamed... Packsearchers are lame but not doing anything illegal. You on the other hand are scum for even contemplating this.

Not to mention with the way Ebay is starting to notice buyers who open excessive claims it may not be worth the risk. Saw 4 buyers in the past week post on the Ebay boards saying Ebay has restricted them from buying for filing too many claims.

[calculusdork]

Let's assume that there are still kids out there that enjoy this hobby. Let's also assume the way they get their hands on cards is to pull on mommy's sweater when she's picking up her Ring Dings that she hides from Daddy at Target.

Little Bobby steers his mother over to the card section and begs for two packs of Allen and Ginter. Mommy indulges this payoff so Bobby won't notice the Ring Dings and tell Daddy.

Fat Rick has already fondled all the packs, smearing them with grease from the two personal Pizza Hut pan pizzas he bought in the food court at Target from his ill-gotten gains selling hot packs on eBay.

Little Bobby rips his packs open in the car on the way home, wiping the pizza grease off his hands onto the leather in Mommy's new Honda Pilot. He pulls... a bunch of base cards. He loses his taste for the hobby and never grows up to buy one of the expensive cards that I have for sale on eBay in 10 years.

I can now not afford to send my two kids to private school. They end up hanging out with the Murray kids down the street, turn goth, write slam poetry about their poor roots and snort bath salts to escape the pain and ignominy of being from that family that just-couldn't-quite-hold-it-together-long-enough to get the kids off to college before letting money tear them apart, leading to my wife sneaking Ring Dings and starting the whole process over again.

PACKSEARCHERS RUIN EVERYTHING.

For some reason this post won't fit into my signature.

[Keyser Soze]

You should be ashamed... Packsearchers are lame but not doing anything illegal. You on the other hand are scum for even contemplating this.

Technically, it's a form of fraud, it's just not on the scale that any law enforcement organization is going to do anything about it.

[jmscoggin]

Let's assume that there are still kids out there that enjoy this hobby. Let's also assume the way they get their hands on cards is to pull on mommy's sweater when she's picking up her Ring Dings that she hides from Daddy at Target.

Little Bobby steers his mother over to the card section and begs for two packs of Allen and Ginter. Mommy indulges this payoff so Bobby won't notice the Ring Dings and tell Daddy.

Fat Rick has already fondled all the packs, smearing them with grease from the two personal Pizza Hut pan pizzas he bought in the food court at Target from his ill-gotten gains selling hot packs on eBay.

Little Bobby rips his packs open in the car on the way home, wiping the pizza grease off his hands onto the leather in Mommy's new Honda Pilot. He pulls... a bunch of base cards. He loses his taste for the hobby and never grows up to buy one of the expensive cards that I have for sale on eBay in 10 years.

I can now not afford to send my two kids to private school. They end up hanging out with the Murray kids down the street, turn goth, write slam poetry about their poor roots and snort bath salts to escape the pain and ignominy of being from that family that just-couldn't-quite-hold-it-together-long-enough to get the kids off to college before letting money tear them apart, leading to my wife sneaking Ring Dings and starting the whole process over again.

PACKSEARCHERS RUIN EVERYTHING.

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[pickle86]

Let's assume that there are still kids out there that enjoy this hobby. Let's also assume the way they get their hands on cards is to pull on mommy's sweater when she's picking up her Ring Dings that she hides from Daddy at Target.

Little Bobby steers his mother over to the card section and begs for two packs of Allen and Ginter. Mommy indulges this payoff so Bobby won't notice the Ring Dings and tell Daddy.

Fat Rick has already fondled all the packs, smearing them with grease from the two personal Pizza Hut pan pizzas he bought in the food court at Target from his ill-gotten gains selling hot packs on eBay.

Little Bobby rips his packs open in the car on the way home, wiping the pizza grease off his hands onto the leather in Mommy's new Honda Pilot. He pulls... a bunch of base cards. He loses his taste for the hobby and never grows up to buy one of the expensive cards that I have for sale on eBay in 10 years.

I can now not afford to send my two kids to private school. They end up hanging out with the Murray kids down the street, turn goth, write slam poetry about their poor roots and snort bath salts to escape the pain and ignominy of being from that family that just-couldn't-quite-hold-it-together-long-enough to get the kids off to college before letting money tear them apart, leading to my wife sneaking Ring Dings and starting the whole process over again.

PACKSEARCHERS RUIN EVERYTHING.



yeah... your no better than a packsearcher for thinking like this.

[Keyser Soze]

Let's assume that there are still kids out there that enjoy this hobby. Let's also assume the way they get their hands on cards is to pull on mommy's sweater when she's picking up her Ring Dings that she hides from Daddy at Target.

Little Bobby steers his mother over to the card section and begs for two packs of Allen and Ginter. Mommy indulges this payoff so Bobby won't notice the Ring Dings and tell Daddy.

Fat Rick has already fondled all the packs, smearing them with grease from the two personal Pizza Hut pan pizzas he bought in the food court at Target from his ill-gotten gains selling hot packs on eBay.

Little Bobby rips his packs open in the car on the way home, wiping the pizza grease off his hands onto the leather in Mommy's new Honda Pilot. He pulls... a bunch of base cards. He loses his taste for the hobby and never grows up to buy one of the expensive cards that I have for sale on eBay in 10 years.

I can now not afford to send my two kids to private school. They end up hanging out with the Murray kids down the street, turn goth, write slam poetry about their poor roots and snort bath salts to escape the pain and ignominy of being from that family that just-couldn't-quite-hold-it-together-long-enough to get the kids off to college before letting money tear them apart, leading to my wife sneaking Ring Dings and starting the whole process over again.

PACKSEARCHERS RUIN EVERYTHING.

Where do I have to go to nominate this for Post of the Year?

[tonedef2oo8]

I bought three "hot packs" of 2011 Allen and Ginter on a whim on Ebay a few days ago (paid $18 total). Now I'm not sure I want to open them and thinking of reselling on Ebay. Don't want to be stuck with relic cards of Vernon Wells. Any thoughts?

I think there is a huge chance they are resealed. You then sell them and you lose a case for some other scammers actions.

[toppsfan]

What's wrong with slam poetry?Let's assume that there are still kids out there that enjoy this hobby. Let's also assume the way they get their hands on cards is to pull on mommy's sweater when she's picking up her Ring Dings that she hides from Daddy at Target.

Little Bobby steers his mother over to the card section and begs for two packs of Allen and Ginter. Mommy indulges this payoff so Bobby won't notice the Ring Dings and tell Daddy.

Fat Rick has already fondled all the packs, smearing them with grease from the two personal Pizza Hut pan pizzas he bought in the food court at Target from his ill-gotten gains selling hot packs on eBay.

Little Bobby rips his packs open in the car on the way home, wiping the pizza grease off his hands onto the leather in Mommy's new Honda Pilot. He pulls... a bunch of base cards. He loses his taste for the hobby and never grows up to buy one of the expensive cards that I have for sale on eBay in 10 years.

I can now not afford to send my two kids to private school. They end up hanging out with the Murray kids down the street, turn goth, write slam poetry about their poor roots and snort bath salts to escape the pain and ignominy of being from that family that just-couldn't-quite-hold-it-together-long-enough to get the kids off to college before letting money tear them apart, leading to my wife sneaking Ring Dings and starting the whole process over again.

PACKSEARCHERS RUIN EVERYTHING.

[shrevecity]

You bought them knowing they could be reseals, but there is a chance they may not be. I open a lot of blasters and occasionally you just know when you open the box which pack has a relic. Opened 3 Panini blasters the other day 2 of them had a pack that was so thick the wrapper was stretched tight around it. Pretty clear there is a relic in there.

[jmscoggin]

yeah... your no better than a packsearcher for thinking like this.

Count me in too then I guess. Seems like we are in the majority so far. Do I support buying them and opening a case for 'payback'. Not personaly but I wouldn't lose a second of sleep if it happened. As a matter of fact it would make me smile and sleep quite well. There is certainly a segment of members on this board that always side with the scammers, thieves, people with excuses for everthing etc. It is what it is.

[ArsonCuff]

...the original post does not state if they are retail packs...

[JeHHH]

Let's assume that there are still kids out there that enjoy this hobby. Let's also assume the way they get their hands on cards is to pull on mommy's sweater when she's picking up her Ring Dings that she hides from Daddy at Target.

Little Bobby steers his mother over to the card section and begs for two packs of Allen and Ginter. Mommy indulges this payoff so Bobby won't notice the Ring Dings and tell Daddy.

Fat Rick has already fondled all the packs, smearing them with grease from the two personal Pizza Hut pan pizzas he bought in the food court at Target from his ill-gotten gains selling hot packs on eBay.

Little Bobby rips his packs open in the car on the way home, wiping the pizza grease off his hands onto the leather in Mommy's new Honda Pilot. He pulls... a bunch of base cards. He loses his taste for the hobby and never grows up to buy one of the expensive cards that I have for sale on eBay in 10 years.

I can now not afford to send my two kids to private school. They end up hanging out with the Murray kids down the street, turn goth, write slam poetry about their poor roots and snort bath salts to escape the pain and ignominy of being from that family that just-couldn't-quite-hold-it-together-long-enough to get the kids off to college before letting money tear them apart, leading to my wife sneaking Ring Dings and starting the whole process over again.

PACKSEARCHERS RUIN EVERYTHING.

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[SportCardBuffet]

Let's assume that there are still kids out there that enjoy this hobby. Let's also assume the way they get their hands on cards is to pull on mommy's sweater when she's picking up her Ring Dings that she hides from Daddy at Target.

Little Bobby steers his mother over to the card section and begs for two packs of Allen and Ginter. Mommy indulges this payoff so Bobby won't notice the Ring Dings and tell Daddy.

Fat Rick has already fondled all the packs, smearing them with grease from the two personal Pizza Hut pan pizzas he bought in the food court at Target from his ill-gotten gains selling hot packs on eBay.

Little Bobby rips his packs open in the car on the way home, wiping the pizza grease off his hands onto the leather in Mommy's new Honda Pilot. He pulls... a bunch of base cards. He loses his taste for the hobby and never grows up to buy one of the expensive cards that I have for sale on eBay in 10 years.

I can now not afford to send my two kids to private school. They end up hanging out with the Murray kids down the street, turn goth, write slam poetry about their poor roots and snort bath salts to escape the pain and ignominy of being from that family that just-couldn't-quite-hold-it-together-long-enough to get the kids off to college before letting money tear them apart, leading to my wife sneaking Ring Dings and starting the whole process over again.

PACKSEARCHERS RUIN EVERYTHING.

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[shrevecity]

Last couple of times I have seen the pack searchers in local stores it was a father son venture. The 30 something dad was showing his 10yo the technique

[XL5]

I bought three "hot packs" of 2011 Allen and Ginter on a whim on Ebay a few days ago (paid $18 total). Now I'm not sure I want to open them and thinking of reselling on Ebay. Don't want to be stuck with relic cards of Vernon Wells. Any thoughts?
Return them or open them. Don't pass that crap on to someone else.




Incidentally, I was talking to a guy at the LCS the other day and he said he bought some "hot packs" on eBay. When he opened one of them, the $2 relic was in a penny sleeve. *facepalm*


Also, nearly all hot packs on eBay can be reported as a chance listing:
The listing doesn't single out anything that "may" be contained in the grab bag that has particular monetary or obvious collectible value. For example, grab bag listings for collectible comic books can't allude to the possibility that a specific rare, high value comic book "may" be included in the grab bag. This type of listing is considered a lottery, which is not allowed on eBay.
All the listings that say "Relic/Auto/DNA/PUIG????" or the like allude to rare items that "may" be in the pack and are thus in violation of the chance listings policy (http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/listing-bonus-prize-giveaway-raffle.html).

[Win4Vin]

this is by-far the most support ive ever seen for pack searchers on this forum! are you guys all friends? like an evil pack-searching crime ring? LOL

oh and phabphour20's post reminds me of the DirecTV "get rid of cable" commercials.

[phabphour20]

this is by-far the most support ive ever seen for pack searchers on this forum! are you guys all friends? like an evil pack-searching crime ring? LOL

oh and phabphour20's post reminds me of the DirecTV "get rid of cable" commercials.

Except that my story could actually happen ;)

[89transam]

Let's assume that there are still kids out there that enjoy this hobby. Let's also assume the way they get their hands on cards is to pull on mommy's sweater when she's picking up her Ring Dings that she hides from Daddy at Target.

Little Bobby steers his mother over to the card section and begs for two packs of Allen and Ginter. Mommy indulges this payoff so Bobby won't notice the Ring Dings and tell Daddy.

Fat Rick has already fondled all the packs, smearing them with grease from the two personal Pizza Hut pan pizzas he bought in the food court at Target from his ill-gotten gains selling hot packs on eBay.

Little Bobby rips his packs open in the car on the way home, wiping the pizza grease off his hands onto the leather in Mommy's new Honda Pilot. He pulls... a bunch of base cards. He loses his taste for the hobby and never grows up to buy one of the expensive cards that I have for sale on eBay in 10 years.

I can now not afford to send my two kids to private school. They end up hanging out with the Murray kids down the street, turn goth, write slam poetry about their poor roots and snort bath salts to escape the pain and ignominy of being from that family that just-couldn't-quite-hold-it-together-long-enough to get the kids off to college before letting money tear them apart, leading to my wife sneaking Ring Dings and starting the whole process over again.

PACKSEARCHERS RUIN EVERYTHING.

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[phabphour20]

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Your avatar scares me.

[needmore]

The packs look like they have been resealed. Anything I can do or am I stuck with them?

[phabphour20]

The packs look like they have been resealed. Anything I can do or am I stuck with them?

Return them. File an item not as described claim through eBay. Take a picture of the reseal job. You'll get refunded.

[needmore]

Return them. File an item not as described claim through eBay. Take a picture of the reseal job. You'll get refunded.

Thanks for the advice. I'm going to file it with Ebay now. I'm cleaning my hands and will not buy these again.

[timelovesahero]

For some reason this post won't fit into my signature.

read my mind

[jmscoggin]

The packs look like they have been resealed. Anything I can do or am I stuck with them?

Ya don't say. :rolleyes: How is it that people keep falling for this stuff? People that sell hot packs are the lowest of the low. They are generally searchers or resealers and they prey on people. Anyone that buys from them are just enablers. It may sound harsh and maybe I'm just in a bad mood but it won't break my heart however Ebay decides on this. Both parties are guilty.

[needmore]

The guy is giving me my money back for a full refund.

[phabphour20]

The guy is giving me my money back for a full refund.

Lesson learned?

[lazygambler]

Let's assume that there are still kids out there that enjoy this hobby. Let's also assume the way they get their hands on cards is to pull on mommy's sweater when she's picking up her Ring Dings that she hides from Daddy at Target.

Little Bobby steers his mother over to the card section and begs for two packs of Allen and Ginter. Mommy indulges this payoff so Bobby won't notice the Ring Dings and tell Daddy.

Fat Rick has already fondled all the packs, smearing them with grease from the two personal Pizza Hut pan pizzas he bought in the food court at Target from his ill-gotten gains selling hot packs on eBay.

Little Bobby rips his packs open in the car on the way home, wiping the pizza grease off his hands onto the leather in Mommy's new Honda Pilot. He pulls... a bunch of base cards. He loses his taste for the hobby and never grows up to buy one of the expensive cards that I have for sale on eBay in 10 years.

I can now not afford to send my two kids to private school. They end up hanging out with the Murray kids down the street, turn goth, write slam poetry about their poor roots and snort bath salts to escape the pain and ignominy of being from that family that just-couldn't-quite-hold-it-together-long-enough to get the kids off to college before letting money tear them apart, leading to my wife sneaking Ring Dings and starting the whole process over again.

PACKSEARCHERS RUIN EVERYTHING.

This is fing awesome!!! thank you so much