Your returns on the 3D covers.

[Carrbeaz]

I only sold a couple of Raw Books plus I sold a complete Week 1 Set.

Starting last week I began selling my graded books.

After the Complete Set sale from prior and the sale of Harley 9.9 and Joker 9.9 I am in the black from here on out.

I still have two full complete 52 Sets with Forever Evil #1 3D as well additional Joker's Daughter/Harley/ and others.

I was initially going to sell all raw, but glad I decided to grade what I thought were the best I had.

Curious how those who only sold raw did.

[youmechoose]

im in the red for all of 3d covers/moderns for that matter. getting out of the modern game soon.

[tommyVoltage]

About 80 covers and $550 profit. All raw. I was selling them way cheaper than anyone else because I had a constant supply coming in since I live around the corner from the city's biggest store. I didn't have an issue listed for more than a day really.

And that was no copies of Joker's Daughter.

[Hilfiger1975]

Stayed away from them like the plague. :D

[21Pittsburgh58]

I'm in the red for all the ones I bought because I haven't tried to sell any. I'm still trying to find the correct boxes / bubble envelopes to get to ship them.

Anyone have any links to where to purchase items like this (especially boxes)? Is it worthwhile to use bubble envelopes as long as each side of the comic has a sturdy cardboard piece?

Thanks!

[Hilfiger1975]

I'm in the red for all the ones I bought because I haven't tried to sell any. I'm still trying to find the correct boxes / bubble envelopes to get to ship them.

Anyone have any links to where to purchase items like this (especially boxes)? Is it worthwhile to use bubble envelopes as long as each side of the comic has a sturdy cardboard piece?

Thanks!

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/comicbookjunkie/340705-indys-guide-packaging-shipping-comics.html

[TEKWATCH]

I have all of the covers except Jokers Daughter. Also have covers a,b,c of Forever Evil #1 - I would take an offer on all the books together.

[aaronchua]

As expected, the guys who knew how to make money did well and the newer guys got stuck with books that might fade away rather quickly.

Having experience this myself, I learn to stay away from these kind of trend books where I dun have the experience and the speed to capitalize on it.

Well done, Carr and Tommy! Maybe you can give some tips to the newer guys on how you guys can make money with the same books they have?

Is it something to do with:

- speed
- lower pricing
- ebay reputation
- grading

Cheers

[youmechoose]

As expected, the guys who knew how to make money did well and the newer guys got stuck with books that might fade away rather quickly.

Having experience this myself, I learn to stay away from these kind of trend books where I dun have the experience and the speed to capitalize on it.

Well done, Carr and Tommy! Maybe you can give some tips to the newer guys on how you guys can make money with the same books they have?

Is it something to do with:

- speed
- lower pricing
- ebay reputation
- grading

Cheers

im not new and these tanked. sell it raw get a better return, get it graded and compete with people selling it for below slab costs.

[Chris Henderson]

I'm in the red for all the ones I bought because I haven't tried to sell any. I'm still trying to find the correct boxes / bubble envelopes to get to ship them.

Anyone have any links to where to purchase items like this (especially boxes)? Is it worthwhile to use bubble envelopes as long as each side of the comic has a sturdy cardboard piece?

Thanks!

The best place I've found for boxes is ULINE - Shipping Boxes, Shipping Supplies, Packaging Materials, Packing Supplies (http://www.uline.com) The only downside with them is most boxes come in bundles of 100.

I always use boxes and extra cardboard

[youmechoose]

The best place I've found for boxes is ULINE - Shipping Boxes, Shipping Supplies, Packaging Materials, Packing Supplies (http://www.uline.com) The only downside with them is most boxes come in bundles of 100.

I always use boxes and extra cardboard


+1 the s342 is the way to go.

[natevegas]

About 80 covers and $550 profit. All raw. I was selling them way cheaper than anyone else because I had a constant supply coming in since I live around the corner from the city's biggest store. I didn't have an issue listed for more than a day really.

And that was no copies of Joker's Daughter.
Nice! Sold 20 issues raw for 250 profit and yes 5 of those were Joker's Daughter 3d's and 7 Harley 3d's.

[talktoofast]

I bought 106 3D covers in total & I have made £361.21 (about $580) profit - this is taking in account what stock I still have left
This is what I bought: Joker x16, Deadshot x2, Relic x2 Posion Ivy x3, Lobo x2, Grodd x2, Creeper x3, Bizarro x3, Ventriloquist x2, Darksied x1, Dessad x1, count vertiog x1, zod x2, trigon x1, black manta x1, lex x2, court of owls x2, Dial E x3, Clayface x4, Ras Al Ghul x1, Killer frost x1, Jokers daughter x8, Harley Quinn x11, Two Face x7, Bane x7, Penguin x6, Deathstroke x1, Scarecrow x1, sinestro x1, Riddler x6, Cyborg Superman x6


I have left:
Sinestro x1, Harley Quinn x1, Jokers daughter x1, Ras Al Ghul x1, Clayface x3, lex x2, Desaad x1, Darkseid x1, Creeper x1, relic x1, Joker x 3

So thats $580 profit & 16 comics left - whether I make a profit on any of the ones left or just end up shifting them for near what I paid or few pence less we shall see (although the Jokers duaghter & the harley I have left i only have left as I am not selling them but holding a copy back of each on spec)

[talktoofast]

I only sold a couple of Raw Books plus I sold a complete Week 1 Set.

Starting last week I began selling my graded books.

After the Complete Set sale from prior and the sale of Harley 9.9 and Joker 9.9 I am in the black from here on out.

I still have two full complete 52 Sets with Forever Evil #1 3D as well additional Joker's Daughter/Harley/ and others.

I was initially going to sell all raw, but glad I decided to grade what I thought were the best I had.

Curious how those who only sold raw did.

sounds like you be bring home the big $$$$$.
I only really sell raws. A lot of that is down to a) extra cost involved in grading encountered by shipping to US & back b) graded comics just don't seem to be as popular in UK

Although I do buy the occasional slab, my most recent was a clone adlard variant 9.8

[aaronchua]

Hmm,so why did a veteran like youmechoose lose money while you guys are raking in the dough?

[kyleg40]

I stayed away..Just not a dc fan..I bought one from someone on here, just to see em..lol..I put money into Rat Queens and Pretty deadly, and about 30 of the archie peppy covers.so we shall see

[Jgil316]

I did well with this.

I paid for a set (52 books) and made an additional $300 profit.


All and all, I was pleased.

Big 3 for me were:
Jokers Daughter
Dial E
Ventriloquist

[Vintage Collector]

I haven't sold anything but I have to start selling soon.

The boxes are starting to accumulate. lol

[tommyVoltage]

As expected, the guys who knew how to make money did well and the newer guys got stuck with books that might fade away rather quickly.

Having experience this myself, I learn to stay away from these kind of trend books where I dun have the experience and the speed to capitalize on it.

Well done, Carr and Tommy! Maybe you can give some tips to the newer guys on how you guys can make money with the same books they have?

Is it something to do with:

- speed
- lower pricing
- ebay reputation
- grading

Cheers

Experience. I just saw titles like Batman Inc. #8, All-Nex X-Men #3-5, Superior Spider-Man #1, Batgril #13 Diecut. All those issues demanded a premium like 3D prices and then dropped a lot. These are main stream titles. The popularity passes quickly because there is always the next title a week away. Also I learned a lot with The Sixth Gun. I was holding out for $1000 and getting offers of $900-950 that I kept turning down. I think I sold for about $400. I still made profit, but that extra $500 would have been nice.

There will always be the next title that is optioned, has a new character, or whatever else. Modern is sell as soon as you get them. You saw with Clone/Todd that prices spike as soon as news is reported and then level out. If you are doing it in volume like Carr did then you sell right away because he already is selling something else. He already probably has his next title lined up.

And if you think the prices are low now just wait for a month. There are so many people holding on to sets for NYCC to drop off because of all the 9.9+ popping up. They will be nothing in a month or two.

For the past few months the only titles that I'm still holding are about 10 sets of EoW and 20 copies of Lazarus #1.

[youmechoose]

Hmm,so why did a veteran like youmechoose lose money while you guys are raking in the dough?

because i was a dummy and decided to slab them. it used to be, you slab a hot book and at least sell it for slabbing costs. like batman 13 or superior spiderman 1, but before that, saga 1 and thief of thieves 1 and revival 1 and so on. then dudes started auctions at .99. people are expecting slabs at around $25-30 now. i made great profits selling last years image 1 books raw, more in slabs. now there is more profit in raw.

[21Pittsburgh58]

I truly appreciate the info - thank you!

Jason

The best place I've found for boxes is ULINE - Shipping Boxes, Shipping Supplies, Packaging Materials, Packing Supplies (http://www.uline.com) The only downside with them is most boxes come in bundles of 100.

I always use boxes and extra cardboard

[21Pittsburgh58]

I think it was a great decision to get them slabbed because most of the stories I read were average to awful (see Joker). The covers in general are fantastic IMO and will look awesome in a CGC slab. Really looking forward to my Harley Quinn, Joker, Joker's Daughter and Bane slabs :)

As a collector, my Bane and Joker will be staying (for quite a while at least).

As a seller (soon) Harley Quinn and Joker's Daughter will be available.

[youmechoose]

I think it was a great decision to get them slabbed because most of the stories I read were average to awful (see Joker). The covers in general are fantastic IMO and will look awesome in a CGC slab. Really looking forward to my Harley Quinn, Joker, Joker's Daughter and Bane slabs :)

As a collector, my Bane and Joker will be staying (for quite a while at least).

As a seller (soon) Harley Quinn and Joker's Daughter will be available.

it was a bad decision to get them slabbed. most of these wont sell for over slabbing costs, and the few that do wont make up for it.

[tommyVoltage]

it was a bad decision to get them slabbed. most of these wont sell for over slabbing costs, and the few that do wont make up for it.

Agreed. People saw the hype of this release coming for months. So the sellers who know how to slab for cheap stocked up on them. And with so many 9.9+ coming out a lot of people will just buy raw copies knowing that whenever they have extra money they can just slab them themselves.

[BizarroChuck]

There was only one 3D book to buy and flip for profit if you could get it cheap, and that's the Forever Evil 3D.

I guess the other way to profit was to be first to the market with slabs, but it sounds like the runs were high quality and 9.8s will be everywhere

[UnderTowed]

I'm currently breaking even on all sales for single issues of the 3D variants. Sitting on 2 sets at the moment...debating wether i should wait or sell now.

[$100box$20cards]

I sold any extras I had almost right away , im sitting on two full sets that cost me nothing , and used extra cash to buy a Forever Evil 3D from indy at almost no cost to me at all... it was a win-win , it didn't hurt that I got 9 jokers daughter at cover and sold 6 for $200+ dollars and I also made out like a bandit selling 2D jokers daughter at 9.99 a pop pre-order I sold 24 of them that way , knowing these would be hot for a couple weeks with the pre-order prices on the 3d hit $50-$130 dollars at first

[natbornkiller]

Made some nice coin
but i am still stuck with some of the non-sellers (trigon ect)

[Kuma]

I did quite well, of course my biggies were Forever Evil, Harley, and the other Bat books. Surprisingly Two Face did well for me. Right now Im selling leftovers at 6 bucks a pop and im actually selling them pretty quickly, I dumped a Trigon that way and all of my Arcanes. So long as I make my money back on those im good. Ive made a handsome profit so far, dont have the final numbers totaled yet though.

[youmechoose]

Agreed. People saw the hype of this release coming for months. So the sellers who know how to slab for cheap stocked up on them. And with so many 9.9+ coming out a lot of people will just buy raw copies knowing that whenever they have extra money they can just slab them themselves.

it took people by suprise, hence the chaos. anyone who said they saw this coming is full of #@#@#@#@.

[youmechoose]

There was only one 3D book to buy and flip for profit if you could get it cheap, and that's the Forever Evil 3D.

I guess the other way to profit was to be first to the market with slabs, but it sounds like the runs were high quality and 9.8s will be everywhere

depends on who's first to market.

[chalado]

Used my floppy returns to grab some FE 1 3Ds...

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s52/sh/fadbba9d-d7fe-490f-a9fe-04bda1d83249/e8eb2773148e875a27997499617137cf/res/93ce03cb-fad8-4876-84b5-016b412e71dd/resource.jpg?resizeSmall&width=832

No 9.9s or 10s, but I'll take it...

[BizarroChuck]

depends on who's first to market.

Well I mentioned that in my post in regards to slabs. Were you talking about the Forever Evil variant? Those are still selling for $170 raw.

[tommyVoltage]

it took people by suprise, hence the chaos. anyone who said they saw this coming is full of #@#@#@#@.

What are you talking about? Everyone knew it was coming. The chaos was caused because DC had to take a guess on how many to print. And then the FOC was moved to a Friday and reopened because a lot of shops didn't realize. They had cuts because so many copies were ordered. Again, everyone knew it was coming. :cool:

[DigsUT]

I have made absolutely $0 on the 3D covers thus far. Mainly because I only got one of each cover and they are sitting in my PC:p

I do have some FE 3Ds heading my way....$$$$

[youmechoose]

What are you talking about? Everyone knew it was coming. The chaos was caused because DC had to take a guess on how many to print. And then the FOC was moved to a Friday and reopened because a lot of shops didn't realize. They had cuts because so many copies were ordered. Again, everyone knew it was coming. :cool:

sorry misspoke, some saw it coming i guess. i preordered 10 of each cover. not a week before, but 2 months in advance. i knew the fire would be on it. but nobody knew it would be $100 hot. i think you have been doing this a long time so you probably grabbed all those superman rrp's like i did when they came to market. we both knew 3d covers would be hot.

[youmechoose]

Well I mentioned that in my post in regards to slabs. Were you talking about the Forever Evil variant? Those are still selling for $170 raw.

i was talking about slabs as well. it depends on who is first to market to set a price.

[joeklecko]

Sold through several sets that I bought at 30-50% of cover to pay for several FE 3-Ds.

[natevegas]

I wish you all the best on the slab game with these but I'm out now and made mad money on the raws. I gotta feeling these will be dropping like flies in the near future with all the undercutting.

[ratherunique]

Competition to sell these is fierce. I have hard enough time even getting a look at my joker's daughter 3d. I've also grown quite attached to my copies, but I must let go to get some of that money back.

[BizarroChuck]

I said to avoid all these like the plague...until I found Forever Evil 1 3d variants for 19.99. I purchased 10.

After selling 2 of them I am in the black. Any additional sales are going to my "key fund"

[garrow21]

i picked up just the batman related books but my store didnt get any Joker’s Daughter 3-ds but I just found one at a flea market. I couldn't beleave it

[Carrbeaz]

I've made close to $2000 profit from 3D covers and I had actually avoided them preorder. Grading was the way to go for me and I also was able to score some FE 3D for $20 each.

[talktoofast]

I've made close to $2000 profit from 3D covers and I had actually avoided them preorder. Grading was the way to go for me and I also was able to score some FE 3D for $20 each.

Does that mean more Iron Man 55 & Captain Marvels :)! (one day you will own all the IM 55's!!)

[fufat]

While making profit is a good thing... I wonder being that many of these 3D & 2D books were relatively low printed in the coming year or two, we will see some spike in interest? I think most that bought..purchased in volume hoping to profit from it. I wonder if many people who wanted to collect a set wasn't able to due to the lower printed books. It would be interesting to also see how many $3.99 newsstand copies were printed and survived in high grade. I bet not many at all!!! Newsstand versions are the ones to obtain for future PROFITS!!!

[ratherunique]

i still haven't had any luck selling these.

[nanners13]

thanks to the comic junkie forums I was able to spend 3 bucks on a jokers daughter and instantly sell it for $46 on ebay, Thanks Comic Junkie Forum and its members:)!

[DigsUT]

Has anyone actually shipped an entire set of these? I am trying to wrap my head around the logistics of it. I am thinking about selling my full 52 + FE 1 3D.

[Chance]

I don't know if anybody's seen this but here is the link to what the actual print runs were for these books.

DC 3D Villains Month Print Runs and the Rarest Issues (http://investcomics.com/features/dc-3d-villains-month-print-runs-and-the-rarest-issues)

[mwolfson22]

Has anyone actually shipped an entire set of these? I am trying to wrap my head around the logistics of it. I am thinking about selling my full 52 + FE 1 3D.

Shipped in a large flat rate box in bundles of 8 with packing peanuts around. It was a pain to get them to fix but they seemed secure.

[youmechoose]

I've made close to $2000 profit from 3D covers and I had actually avoided them preorder. Grading was the way to go for me and I also was able to score some FE 3D for $20 each.

you had to have lost money if you graded them, except the forever evil 3d if you got those for 20

[Carrbeaz]

you had to have lost money if you graded them, except the forever evil 3d if you got those for 20

I normally don't bother with proving people wrong but....

3d from comicscardscurrency | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odkw=&item=350887965169&LH_Sold=1&_osacat=0&ssPageName=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT&LH_Complete=1&_ssn=comicscardscurrency&_trksid=p2046732.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.X3d&_nkw=3d&_sacat=0&_from=R40)

And that is just my ebay sales... I sold quite a few outside ebay as well.

[youmechoose]

I normally don't bother with proving people wrong but....

3d from comicscardscurrency | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odkw=&item=350887965169&LH_Sold=1&_osacat=0&ssPageName=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT&LH_Complete=1&_ssn=comicscardscurrency&_trksid=p2046732.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.X3d&_nkw=3d&_sacat=0&_from=R40)

And that is just my ebay sales... I sold quite a few outside ebay as well.
yeah, i said if you got those fe 3d covers for $20 then you made money. those 9.9's did you right. congrats on $2k profit. i ate so much on 3d covers that i plan on doing whatever it takes to ruin the modern slab market.

[aaronchua]

I think the detail are important for all to learn.

In carr's case, the rare forever evil cover might make all the difference.
The lesson here is that you can make $$ in moderns IF you have access to these rarer variants. It is all about buying stuff that everybody has access to and hope for the best.

[Sparky]

I think the detail are important for all to learn.

In carr's case, the rare forever evil cover might make all the difference.
The lesson here is that you can make $$ in moderns IF you have access to these rarer variants. It is all about buying stuff that everybody has access to and hope for the best. When everyone jumps on the same train, speculator supply increases. This does not bode well for the short term prices of these books. Nothing against those who make picks on here, but if all speculators buy the same books, then short term prices won't hold up. There is a reason that most old timers wait until after FOC to post their picks. However, even then if books are still on the shelf when the buzz comes, then you can expect that there soon will be large quantities in speculators supply. My rule of thumb is - majority of the print run in the hands of collectors = :)! majority of the print run in the hands of speculators = :confused: This isn't always the case but it generally holds up, if people are buying up all copies and listing them on eBay, that is usually a sign that prices are about to plummet. One general exception are variants, these may not always hold up in the long term, but when a book gets hot in the short term (like Forever Evil 3D) the variants are tougher to hoard so the short term prices do better.

[BizarroChuck]

Just made 2 more ebay sales of Forever Evil 3D. I'm up $800 :D

[Stat Monsters]

Maybe try to bundle them with some Beanie Babies and sell 'em as a hot collectibles set?

[Cujobyte]

yeah, i said if you got those fe 3d covers for $20 then you made money. those 9.9's did you right. congrats on $2k profit. i ate so much on 3d covers that i plan on doing whatever it takes to ruin the modern slab market.

But you already have Youchoose. You did this when you put up 9 copies of Peter Panzerfaust #9 cgc 9.8, ran them all in auction ending at the same time (ended the auctions at a terrible time too).

Carr sold his for hundreds, and you absolutely killed the market in one fell swoop. In fact, I will thank you publicly for making me stop modern submissions all together. So, good job on killing it!! lol.

[Sparky]

I saw the PP auctions and I remember thinking at the time that it was a bad move. However, I don't think that ruined the slab market. The market still has tons of money making opportunities. It's just that now is much more like 2008-2010 than 2012. The bubble formed from speculators selling to other speculators and it was the Sixth Gun that burst it. Whenever the market is primarily based on speculators selling to speculators, thing are fixin' to get ugly. Speculators aren't bad for the hobby but too many, uninformed irrationally exuberant speculators are a bad thing. The Sixth Gun burst was good for the long term health of the hobby because it cleared out a lot of the 2012 ill informed speculators and corrected the market. It was much less painful than prior corrections.

[Carrbeaz]

I saw the PP auctions and I remember thinking at the time that it was a bad move. However, I don't think that ruined the slab market. The market still has tons of money making opportunities. It's just that now is much more like 2008-2010 than 2012. The bubble formed from speculators selling to other speculators and it was the Sixth Gun that burst it. Whenever the market is primarily based on speculators selling to speculators, thing are fixin' to get ugly. Speculators aren't bad for the hobby but too many, uninformed irrationally exuberant speculators are a bad thing. The Sixth Gun burst was good for the long term health of the hobby because it cleared out a lot of the 2012 ill informed speculators and corrected the market. It was much less painful than prior corrections.

While he didn't ruin the slab market in general, he did absolutely kill the PP #9 market.

You NEVER reveal to the larger buying audience that you have many multiples of a high demand book. Always trickle them out in a slow roll. For example. I had 20 copies of the X-files UFO cover that was selling between $40-50 and was in them from Hastings for $6 each. If I had put them up for auction all in a row at 99 cents each it would have been horrid. But what I did was sell them one at at time for $44.50 each plus shipping.. And you know what.. I sold every single one of them except the one I had graded and it sold for $225.

[Sparky]

I understand your point and I agree that if you have a lot of one thing, you should trickle supply if you want to maximize your sale price. It's kind of like posting a photo of your hoard, it destroys the illusion of scarcity.

[Carrbeaz]

I understand your point and I agree that if you have a lot of one thing, you should trickle supply if you want to maximize your sale price. It's kind of like posting a photo of your hoard, it destroys the illusion of scarcity.

Exactly. Now I don't mind posting images of my Bronze age hoards because of the time it has taken me to accumulate them.

There was a good example of Larry's Comics on the CGC boards posting images of 50+ copies of Life with Archie #23 Variant Afterlife cover. You could hear the price dropping when he posted that.

[stardark]

If you bought the 3D books for cover and sold them during villains month you probably made out like a bandit. If you bought the 3D books during villains month for 15 or 20 dollars you probably took a hit, unless you graded them and got 9.9s or 10s.


And its common sense that if you are auctioning something you don't advertise that you have more than one of the items. The entire point of the auction is that you only have one of something that more than one person wants.

[youmechoose]

But you already have Youchoose. You did this when you put up 9 copies of Peter Panzerfaust #9 cgc 9.8, ran them all in auction ending at the same time (ended the auctions at a terrible time too).

Carr sold his for hundreds, and you absolutely killed the market in one fell swoop. In fact, I will thank you publicly for making me stop modern submissions all together. So, good job on killing it!! lol.

Yeah, i remember that. Bad form. However, those slabs did at least sell at slab costs which doesnt happen anymore. And i did end them at a good time, 9pm eastern is a great time to end auctions. But if i stopped you from submitting , then mission accomplished.