Give Negative on Abandoned Deal?

[AngryLarry]

Just want to make sure I do the right thing for all the active sellers/traders here. Should I give a negative to someone who I felt agreed to a deal, but then tried to get a lower price and went MIA?

Here was the communication:

Buyer: Hi I was wondering if this was for sale and how much you were asking if it was. Thanks!!! (6:30pm last night)
Me: I offered it to someone for 125. If he passes I'll sell it to you for that price if you want it. If not I'll throw it on ebay for 200 bin obo. Seems like every card is at that value right now. Just let me know and thanks for the interest!
Buyer: I am interested yes. I am up to 6 of his cards already. He is my fav so... (8:30pm last night)
Me: It is yours. Send to xxxx@xxxxxxx.com and I'll ship tomorrow. Thanks for the interest!
Buyer: What is the Paypal address? Would you be able to do an even $100 delivered on it?
Me: No, we agreed on $125. And xxxx@xxxxxxx.com is my paypal. (9pm last night)
Me: Message in the morning asking if he was still doing the deal.
Me: Message in the afternoon saying I am holding the card for him until tonight. Please let me know what his plans were.
Buyer: Last active date and time was after my last PM.


Did I misinterpret the terms of the deal? Or do you think he got buyer's remorse, disappeared, and deserves to get a negative to warn other sellers and traders about this situation?

I know in the FAQ it says " you both finalize a deal and the other party then backs out, leave a negative." Is what we discussed considered a finalized deal?

Thanks in advance for the input!

[WYTMKE]

i have had a few deals go that way and i just regroup and go one with moving the card. just do what you planned on doing with the cards and move on. happy trading

[MikeWilliamsFan]

Just my opinion but all he said was that he was interested, not saying that he will take the card

[ManInTheMirror]

Well, it's borderline. He did ask for paypal address but he also didn't necessarily "agree" to your price. Unless people see him agreeing to your price when he asked for your paypl.

[AngryLarry]

I asked because I could see it both ways. I said if the other buyer doesn't want it, I will offer to you at 125. And then he replied he was interested. When i said it was available I provided him with my paypal address, the he asked for my paypal address and sent a lower offer.

No worries. I appreciate the feedback!

[bballcollector]

He didn't agree to your price.

[FreeMan12406]

Negative for sure.

[AngryLarry]

I do think he agreed to the price. I told him what I would sell it to him at, and he re-expressed his interest. But going forward I will restate the terms before replying with my paypal address. Especially if that person is waiting to hear if the card is available.

[Gibberish]

He did not agree.
He said he was interested
You said you would sell it for 125.00 You did not AGREE on that
He asked for the paypal then offered 100.00 and you passed at that price.


You guys and your crusades.

The OP is upset that he was unable to sell the card on 2 attempts. He wants to get even with the other person as far as I can tell

Post the other persons user ID.

[AngryLarry]

Nah, this isn't one of those threads. Just asked if I should do it to warn others, and a few people let me know that I shouldn't. What I thought was a confirmed deal, really wasn't. So I am a little wiser now and will communicate better going forward. :)

[TarjetasBéisbol]

There was no deal, only interest in the card.

[AngryLarry]

There was no deal, only interest in the card.

Thanks. It was actually your post in another thread that made me ask this question in the first place :).

[37Jetson]

I just don't see the Crimes and Misdemeanors of this situation warranting a negative. Too me it sounds like you just were not able to reach an agreement. The word "interested" has a different meaning to me rather than I will take it.

My vote is no feedback.

[TarjetasBéisbol]

Thanks. It was actually your post in another thread that made me ask this question in the first place :).

Hahaha...not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing! Hope you found the answer you needed.

[AngryLarry]

No it was a good thing. Just wanted to do my part in warning others so future issues could be avoided, as you explained in that post. We now have to warn people about my quick trigger instead. Thanks again everyone!

[BGT Masters]

If he didn't think it was a deal for $125 why ask for your paypal address? Its borderline, to me I would have taken it as a deal. Its no different than asking for your mailing address.

[epic23]

No negative.

The failed transaction is just as much on you as it is him. He simply said he was interested in the card and you took that to mean, "I'll take it if the other guy passes" and sent him your Paypal address before he had even agreed to buy the card. You were being pushy and perhaps you flustered him.

The only problem I have with the buyer is that he didn't respond at 9 pm(or the first chance he had) and tell you that he did not want the card. It should have been fairly obvious that was the case though.

[cking]

I am not giving an opinion on this as I really dont give a sh*t but I guess I will be the one to ask the question.

Why would he, or anyone for that matter, ask for or need another persons paypal addy other then to pay for something?

If no deal was struck why would he need his paypal addy?

[seahawks4ever]

Could go either way. If I was the potential buyer in this case, I would have said I would pay $100 if the other deal fell through. That way, the seller could just decline right there without the nebulous 'interest' in the card. I'd give the benefit of the doubt on this one and go get the $160-175 on eBay. :)

[cking]

Could go either way. If I was the potential buyer in this case, I would have said I would pay $100 if the other deal fell through. That way, the seller could just decline right there without the nebulous 'interest' in the card. I'd give the benefit of the doubt on this one and go get the $160-175 on eBay. :)

Well said. I do see everyones point that at no time did he say "I will take it"

Then again these are not the actual pms exchanged either. And its only one side of the story.

But I still dont see dont see the need for another persons paypal addy if you are not buying something from someone.

The potential buyer in this case flat out asked him for his Paypal addy. Why?

[FreeMan12406]

No one, in their right minds could spin asking for your paypal address as any thing other than I'll take it. While on earth would you need someone's paypal address?

[Srt42004n]

As others have said you said you offered it to others for $125...I don't see anywhere in that convo him agreeing to your price...obviously if someone else offered $125 I wouldn't match it id be lower as well as you didn't get $125 why would I match something you didn't get id offer $100 and take it or leave it. Just seems there was a miscommunication on price.

[oldgoldy97]

What purpose would negging him serve in this situation that isn't cut and dried?

[AP4MVP]

No one, in their right minds could spin asking for your paypal address as any thing other than I'll take it. While on earth would you need someone's paypal address?

Buyer: What is the Paypal address? Would you be able to do an even $100 delivered on it?

Seems to me he was asking for the sellers paypal address if he could do an even $100

[jmscoggin]

Buyer: What is the Paypal address? Would you be able to do an even $100 delivered on it?

Seems to me he was asking for the sellers paypal address if he could do an even $100

Agreed. Too much grey area in this one to warrant a neg. Both parties should just use it as a learning experience and move on.

[37Jetson]

I believe you are in the wrong thinking on this one. To establish a verbal contract you need and offer and an acceptance. The offer was to sell the card for $125, but the acceptance of that offer never came. The buyer said that he was interested and countered with a lower figure. That counter offer was declined so there is no deal.

I would be annoyed if I was the seller when the buyer ducked him after the fact, but this really should not come close to warranting negative feedback.

No one, in their right minds could spin asking for your paypal address as any thing other than I'll take it. While on earth would you need someone's paypal address?

[ilovethelakings]

Threads like this one should never be made unless you have the guts to name names from the get go, so that the other party can come in and defend his/her position or be exposed as somebody who others might want to avoid in the future. Without knowing who the potential buyer was, it is hard to tell the OP if it fits a certain member's pattern of behavior on the forum or not.

[seahawks4ever]

Threads like this one should never be made unless you have the guts to name names from the get go, so that the other party can come in and defend his/her position or be exposed as somebody who others might want to avoid in the future. Without knowing who the potential buyer was, it is hard to tell the OP if it fits a certain member's pattern of behavior on the forum or not.

So render your opinion based on the facts listed. If the facts are incorrect, and they are brought to light, then slam the OP for concealing stuff. It's not that difficult.

[ilovethelakings]

So render your opinion based on the facts listed. If the facts are incorrect, and they are brought to light, then slam the OP for concealing stuff. It's not that difficult.

I've already rendered my opinion, but it could easily be changed if the OP put a username with the "buyer". If it were, let's just say for the fun of it, MITM, my opinion would be "Here we go again!", but if it was some new member, it would be a good time to teach him or her about buyer's etiquette. If someone asks for a seller's PP info, it tends to mean a deal is sealed for quite a few people.

[37Jetson]

I've already rendered my opinion, but it could easily be changed if the OP put a username with the "buyer". If it were, let's just say for the fun of it, MITM, my opinion would be "Here we go again!", but if it was some new member, it would be a good time to teach him or her about buyer's etiquette. If someone asks for a seller's PP info, it tends to mean a deal is sealed for quite a few people.

Everett, how in the heck are we going to hit our quote of members to Tar & Feather if you keep bringing logic to the table? Hmmmm?

[cking]

I still dont see the need for another persons paypaly addy for any reason other then paying for something.

Just my opinion.

By the way can I have all your paypal addys?

[ilovethelakings]

I still dont see the need for another persons paypaly addy for any reason other then paying for something.

Just my opinion.

By the way can I have all your paypal addys?

I am giving you a neg if you don't give me my $75 asking price on my 1987 Topps Jose Canseco.

[uberfatty]

Just want to make sure I do the right thing for all the active sellers/traders here. Should I give a negative to someone who I felt agreed to a deal, but then tried to get a lower price and went MIA?

Here was the communication:

Buyer: Hi I was wondering if this was for sale and how much you were asking if it was. Thanks!!! (6:30pm last night)
Me: I offered it to someone for 125. If he passes I'll sell it to you for that price if you want it. If not I'll throw it on ebay for 200 bin obo. Seems like every card is at that value right now. Just let me know and thanks for the interest!
Buyer: I am interested yes. I am up to 6 of his cards already. He is my fav so... (8:30pm last night)
Me: It is yours. Send to xxxx@xxxxxxx.com and I'll ship tomorrow. Thanks for the interest!
Buyer: What is the Paypal address? Would you be able to do an even $100 delivered on it?
Me: No, we agreed on $125. And xxxx@xxxxxxx.com is my paypal. (9pm last night)
Me: Message in the morning asking if he was still doing the deal.
Me: Message in the afternoon saying I am holding the card for him until tonight. Please let me know what his plans were.
Buyer: Last active date and time was after my last PM.


Did I misinterpret the terms of the deal? Or do you think he got buyer's remorse, disappeared, and deserves to get a negative to warn other sellers and traders about this situation?

I know in the FAQ it says " you both finalize a deal and the other party then backs out, leave a negative." Is what we discussed considered a finalized deal?

Thanks in advance for the input!


I bolded the key part. IMO there was no deal, nothing up to the point where you sent your PP address could be construed as the buyer agreeing to anything. Only that they were interested if the other party declined.

I wonder if something got lost in your translation of the PM's though since it seems like he asked for your PP address after you had already given it to him, as posted in the OP.

[cking]

I am giving you a neg if you don't give me my $75 asking price on my 1987 Topps Jose Canseco.

I was gonna offer $100 but if you will sell for $75 then better yet.

Go ahead and neg me ,it will still say 100%:devil:

I was staying out of the members feedback section for the last week or so and was having more fun collecting.

I am going back to not participating in this section.

Carry on.

God Bless.

[tdmonkeys]

I was gonna offer $100 but if you will sell for $75 then better yet.

Go ahead and neg me ,it will still say 100%:devil:

I was staying out of the members feedback section for the last week or so and was having more fun collecting.

I am going back to not participating in this section.

Carry on.

God Bless.

Good call, I have read thru hundreds of these posts in this section and while I refuse to get involved, I have found hours of enjoyment. :)!

[bdoody42]

I don't think he committed to buy the card so I don't think any feedback should be left.

[asujbl]

I still dont see the need for another persons paypaly addy for any reason other then paying for something.
Just my opinion.

By the way can I have all your paypal addys?

People crack me up when they get caught up in contract law on this site - as if that is in any way applicable to this "reality" on Blowout.

Would I leave feedback? Personally probably not - but I also agree that there is absolutely no reason, NONE, to ask for someone's paypal address if you aren't paying for the item you've been discussing.