Bet we have some bottomfeeders here [Archive]

jlzinck

11-16-2013, 10:44 AM

...that would have ZERO issue buying this and selling it as real..

1952 Topps Mickey Mantle 311 PSA 8 Must See Please Read Description | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-Mickey-Mantle-311-PSA-8-Must-See-Please-Read-Description/151167494214?_trksid=p2047675.m1986&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D361%26meid%3D2741476394168132994%26pid%3D100013%26prg%3D1004%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D370929962380%26)

toppsfan

11-16-2013, 10:47 AM

Wow, that's shocking to see.

TarjetasBéisbol

11-16-2013, 10:48 AM

Wow! I am sure you are right but I have no idea why he says that it looks like it hasn't been tampered with? The edges of that case look totally frosted which to me is a dead giveaway. I am sure we will see this back up on eBay with a crazy BIN and a best offer option.

toppsfan

11-16-2013, 10:49 AM

Wait, but where's the original Mantle that was in the case?

YouFold2Me

11-16-2013, 11:15 AM

Wow, that's so tempting to bid on as sad as it sounds. :(

SaveMeTheGum

11-16-2013, 11:16 AM

Wouldn't this be the same as bragging you were able to print counterfeit hundred dollar bills and seeing if anyone wanted to buy some? I think this is a perfect candidate for some million dollar bids...

SaveMeTheGum

11-16-2013, 11:17 AM

... also, he has the audacity to list in the description section as "original"

YouFold2Me

11-16-2013, 11:18 AM

Anyone wanna set an over/under number on how high this thing goes?

nephinfan

11-16-2013, 11:21 AM

He feels so strongly about being honest and not wanting to take advantage of a payday, yet he's willing to let this get back out into the open market for the next schmuck to actually cash in. Classy!

37Jetson

11-16-2013, 11:23 AM

Tell me that card did not originate from South Florida.

YouFold2Me

11-16-2013, 11:28 AM

He feels so strongly about being honest and not wanting to take advantage of a payday, yet he's willing to let this get back out into the open market for the next schmuck to actually cash in. Classy!

Oh c'mon he's such a nice guy :rolleyes:

Super8er

11-16-2013, 11:31 AM

I don't know how the registry stuff works, but can't someone input the number on the PSA label somewhere into the PSA/DNA website and see what comes up?

YouFold2Me

11-16-2013, 11:40 AM

I don't know how the registry stuff works, but can't someone input the number on the PSA label somewhere into the PSA/DNA website and see what comes up?

Was thinking this also.. According to the site there are 31 psa8's on their pop report. I can't find a place to input the label number though

YouFold2Me

11-16-2013, 11:46 AM

I don't know how the registry stuff works, but can't someone input the number on the PSA label somewhere into the PSA/DNA website and see what comes up?

Nvm I found it.. The number on the slab is indeed linked to a psa8 #311 mantle. Valued at $83,500 :(

lazygambler

11-16-2013, 11:51 AM

What an outstanding person

mikecamp99

11-16-2013, 12:04 PM

If reporting this listing will ebay do nothing? It technically is fraud, however I can see ebay turning a blind eye so they can get paid off.

Anderdale

11-16-2013, 12:14 PM

It would be hard to not pass up a $68,000 offer on this thing to be honest... He is probably full of crap though.

YouFold2Me

11-16-2013, 12:17 PM

It would be hard to not pass up a $68,000 offer on this thing to be honest... He is probably full of crap though.

Right. Idc how much of an "honest" guy you are. Someone offers you $68k for something you jump on it.

fitch123

11-16-2013, 12:22 PM

If reporting this listing will ebay do nothing? It technically is fraud, however I can see ebay turning a blind eye so they can get paid off.

...eBay makes $200 max on any auction listing. You understand their yearly revenue is over $10 billion right?

They could give 20 shits about $200.

I think it has to do with the fact that they deal with millions of listings a month, although I'm sure fraudulent baseball cards should be at the top of their priority list :rolleyes:

thetheham

11-16-2013, 12:36 PM

Right. Idc how much of an "honest" guy you are. Someone offers you $68k for something you jump on it.

Pretty much this.

If he had morals then he wouldn't be selling it now. Description filler at its most obvious.

Bob Loblaw

11-16-2013, 12:41 PM

Nothing good comes of this auction.

motu79

11-16-2013, 12:49 PM

I reported it! So should everyone else. Once this leaves his possession then no one is safe. $60K+ is a lot to lose for anyone on a fake.

mikecamp99

11-16-2013, 01:02 PM

...eBay makes $200 max on any auction listing. You understand their yearly revenue is over $10 billion right?

They could give 20 shits about $200.

I think it has to do with the fact that they deal with millions of listings a month, although I'm sure fraudulent baseball cards should be at the top of their priority list :rolleyes:

O I'm sorry, I'll make sure to read up on ebay's financial records, terms and conditions policy, and any other information needed before I ask anymore questions so I don't look like the ass here.

I reported it! So should everyone else. Once this leaves his possession then no one is safe. $60K+ is a lot to lose for anyone on a fake.

I reported it as well. This is straight up fraud and should not be allowed, whether it be a baseball card or not, and shouldn't be shrugged off as some others here seem to think ↑↑↑

dashcol

11-16-2013, 01:19 PM

Yeah, I reported this too. Why would you ever even try to do this, then sell it knowing that someone is going to buy it only to pass it off as a real one? How would the new seller of the card ever even be caught? All he has to do is say that he bought a PSA graded Mantle RC, where the numbers match and no one would ever know the difference unless they were to crack it.

Completely unbelievable. I only buy PSA graded vintage cards because I want the protection from being a forgery, seems like I can't even do that now.

Could we forward this on to PSA and let them take legal action against this scumbag?They should be able to get it removed by verifying it is a fake, right?

fitch123

11-16-2013, 01:26 PM

O I'm sorry, I'll make sure to read up on ebay's financial records, terms and conditions policy, and any other information needed before I ask anymore questions so I don't look like the ass here.

I reported it as well. This is straight up fraud and should not be allowed, whether it be a baseball card or not, and shouldn't be shrugged off as some others here seem to think ↑↑↑

Just do a 1 second google search before you put on your tin foil hat next time.:)!

Super8er

11-16-2013, 01:29 PM

groundsupport

11-16-2013, 01:29 PM

How is this not pulled already?

mmbtvs

11-16-2013, 01:38 PM

wnp22

11-16-2013, 02:40 PM

First time I've ever reported an auction. What a dirtbag.

oldgoldy97

11-16-2013, 02:46 PM

You guilted me into retracting my bid.

That's okay because Grant was shilling it anyway.

stera8

11-16-2013, 02:52 PM

I hate how he calls himself a "collector"

DJ3k

11-16-2013, 03:44 PM

Come on guys it has free shipping!

callou2131

11-16-2013, 03:57 PM

reported...

MetDude

11-16-2013, 03:57 PM

I certainly don't want to defend this human waste, but if he is stating in the title "please read description" and then in the description goes into a carefully written, detailed account of what he has done and what he is selling, has he done anything wrong or illegal? The seller certainly can't claim 'item not as described" and if the seller knows what they are buying, what they do with it after they acquire it is up to them, legal or otherwise.

I would guess PSA has a stake in this though, as that is a fake card in a PSA slab, insinuating that they graded the fake card in there.

Illegal? I dunno
item not desrcibed? "this card is a fake" should be in the title.
Regardless Im pretty sure someone could claim "damaged"

As for the PSA thing, I m guessing that about 6 years from now we hear from davepeters and he tells us all about how he has been trying to get PSA to stand behind their certification of this card and how they should give him a genuine graded 8. :turkey:

armyatc22

11-16-2013, 04:08 PM

I understand he is "trying" to do what he thinks is right but why even try to sell it? After his whole description on how it's fake he says look at my other vintage PSA cards lol how do you know those are even real?

Epic fail

briscogun

11-16-2013, 04:22 PM

All he has to do is put the word "replica" at the beginning of the listing. But I would think PSA would want to know what this guy is doing and slap him with an injunction pretty quick. He's selling a legitimate slab with an illigetimate product. Regardless of his description, it is fraud. If he had just made a dummy replica tag to simulate a PSA-like tag in a slab...? Maybe.

callou2131

11-16-2013, 04:23 PM

If reporting this listing will ebay do nothing? It technically is fraud, however I can see ebay turning a blind eye so they can get paid off.

Not just technically. He admitted in his listing to counterfitting the psa case, Label, and putting a reprint in it. It is counterfitting simple as that.

briscogun

11-16-2013, 04:31 PM

I just emailed PSA, too. Maybe between the reports to eBay and PSA's legal team this fool will be forced to take it down and destroy that slab.

MetDude

11-16-2013, 04:34 PM

It is counterfitting .

please forgive me as I do know what you meant to say.

http://cf.ltkcdn.net/homeimprovement/images/std/167759-325x253-measure-countertop.jpg

rob11nats

11-16-2013, 04:41 PM

I certainly don't want to defend this human waste, but if he is stating in the title "please read description" and then in the description goes into a carefully written, detailed account of what he has done and what he is selling, has he done anything wrong or illegal? The seller certainly can't claim 'item not as described" and if the seller knows what they are buying, what they do with it after they acquire it is up to them, legal or otherwise.

I would guess PSA has a stake in this though, as that is a fake card in a PSA slab, insinuating that they graded the fake card in there.

I actually agree with this post. I know we're in the minority here but this seller was 100% honest about the product he's selling, and the buyer will absolutely know what he's receiving. You can't just assume the buyer has bad intentions, maybe it's a guy who's always wanted a 52 Mantle but can't afford a real one. For a few hundred dollars he gets to display a dope looking card and if he keeps it in his private collection, or sells it with the same clear disclaimer and description that this seller has made, I have 0 problem with it.

xplainer

11-16-2013, 04:44 PM

Thanks for the post. I reported it too.
I too wonder where the original PSA 8 is!!

This is wrong on many different levels and right on none I can think of.

xplainer

11-16-2013, 04:52 PM

PSA notified too.
This is hard to understand how this is allowed to be going on.

charnick

11-16-2013, 05:44 PM

I actually agree with this post. I know we're in the minority here but this seller was 100% honest about the product he's selling, and the buyer will absolutely know what he's receiving. You can't just assume the buyer has bad intentions, maybe it's a guy who's always wanted a 52 Mantle but can't afford a real one. For a few hundred dollars he gets to display a dope looking card and if he keeps it in his private collection, or sells it with the same clear disclaimer and description that this seller has made, I have 0 problem with it.

he absolutely was 100% honest in his listing, that i do not doubt and is not in dispute. the problem comes in the pandora's box that would be opened as soon as it changes hands, and the seller's complete willful blindness as to the most likely outcome.

i'm a yankee fan and collector and of course would kill to own that card real, but i don't think there's a single fan or collector that would pay more to win this auction to keep it for their own PC, than a criminal with bad intentions. it's already up and past what a legit person would pay for it to keep it to themselves (since it IS fake and all!) and i'd wager than anyone else bidding on this is either that criminal element, or a good samaritan from here willing to take a NPB on the chin to keep this off the open market for as long as humanly possible.

let there be no mistake about it: however honest the seller is in his description, it simply can NOT make its way out into the open market, and MUST be destroyed now that the public has been made aware of its existence.

callou2131

11-16-2013, 05:47 PM

please forgive me as I do know what you meant to say.

http://cf.ltkcdn.net/homeimprovement/images/std/167759-325x253-measure-countertop.jpg

Winning!!!!!

callou2131

11-16-2013, 05:49 PM

looked like it is pulled

Gmrson

11-16-2013, 06:29 PM

...that would have ZERO issue buying this and selling it as real..

Optimism....pass it on! :)!

centereacan06

11-16-2013, 06:32 PM

Do it for the eBay Bucks!

oldgoldy97

11-16-2013, 06:35 PM

Well there goes my secret Santa gift for jlzinck :(

xplainer

11-16-2013, 06:41 PM

Well there goes my secret Santa gift for jlzinck :(

I can never make a comment on your post. Including this one.
Your avatar has me agreeing with whatever you say.

dashcol

11-16-2013, 07:53 PM

As for the PSA thing, I m guessing that about 6 years from now we hear from davepeters and he tells us all about how he has been trying to get PSA to stand behind their certification of this card and how they should give him a genuine graded 8. :turkey:

UGH! Every time I forget about this guy, someone has to go and mention him again!

MetDude

11-16-2013, 08:22 PM

Winning!!!!!

Glad you took that in stride. Just foolerin around.

looked like it is pulled

excellent!

TarjetasBéisbol

11-16-2013, 09:16 PM

I reported this idiot and even sent him an email. What was his reply?

My email - You listed this card as an "original" when you clearly state that the card is a replica. You also stated that this card is from 1952 which is not true. Even though you state that you have no liability if someone tries to sell this card as a true PSA graded card you are allowing it too happen. You know that it is not right for you to be selling this card at all.

His reply - Thank you for your thoughts and happy collecting.

Glad it is no longer listed.

batottu

11-16-2013, 09:52 PM

I actually agree with this post. I know we're in the minority here but this seller was 100% honest about the product he's selling, and the buyer will absolutely know what he's receiving. You can't just assume the buyer has bad intentions, maybe it's a guy who's always wanted a 52 Mantle but can't afford a real one. For a few hundred dollars he gets to display a dope looking card and if he keeps it in his private collection, or sells it with the same clear disclaimer and description that this seller has made, I have 0 problem with it.

It's like the guy who sells fake IDs. You can do it legally by putting "this is not a valid ID on the back or Novelty ID". You then tell customers how easy it is to remove with rubbing alcohol. Same concept here. He says it's fake, but a very good fake that someone has offered huge money for.

Same concept. He knows you will use it to break the law...he doesn't care.

And yes, you can buy IDs with holograms and that scan and have Novelty ID written on the back. These guys sell them as novelty items. They could sell a fully counterfeit ID for more, but they don't like prison. This seller also said he was selling as a novelty item. They even tell you to scratch them up a bit before using.

briscogun

11-16-2013, 10:01 PM

If it was such a clearly defined item, why was the bidding up to over $500 before it was pulled? People were other too stupid to read or the people that were bidding knew full well what it was and they were going to be up to no good with it once they got their hands on it.

Glad it got taken down. Good catch, OP!

Waxonwaxoff

11-16-2013, 11:44 PM

Seeing this auction I can't help but remember all the BIN's of cards like this I see. Fake slabs or cards that are listed and then sell minutes after there listing and have no chance to be reported. And with the new feedback system of not seeing what a buyer bought there's now way to alert them.