Beware of ebay user kcfutures9, BO member Eliteco3

[SandersAD#1]

Sold him a card
2006 Ultimate All Pro Signatures Barry Sanders Auto 01 10 | eBay (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?campid=5335829740&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Frover.ebay.com%2Frover%2F1%2F711-53200-19255-0%2F1%3Fcampid%3D5335829740%26toolid%3D10001%26mpre%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.ebay.com%252Fitm%252F271312178440%253FssPageName%253DSTRK%253AMESOX%253AIT%2526_trksid%253Dp3984.m1559.l2649)

Buyer filed a claim as not described to get his money back. I said returned for a full refund. Waited days, no replay. I escalated to claim, they sided with buyer. Buyer left a tracking number, but haven't shipped my item.

Here's what Buyer is trying to do
2006 Barry Sanders Ultimate Signatures SSP Auto 1 10 | eBay (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?campid=5335829740&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Frover.ebay.com%2Frover%2F1%2F711-53200-19255-0%2F1%3Fcampid%3D5335829740%26toolid%3D10001%26mpre%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.ebay.com%252Fitm%252F2006-Barry-Sanders-Ultimate-Signatures-SSP-Auto-1-10-%252F161168071682%253Fpt%253DUS_Football%2526hash%253Ditem25865d9c02)

Pretty shady? Yup, anyone know this douche, tell him/her to return my card or cancel the claim.

Anyway can I get Ebay involve again or I'm out of luck?

[Ray27Ray52]

Isn't this Eliteco3?

[ManInTheMirror]

Isn't this Eliteco3?
Yes EJ, it sure is...

[Ray27Ray52]

Yes EJ, it sure is...

Oh good, Christmas came early.

Subscribed.

[SandersAD#1]

Friend of yours?

[eliteco3]

Sold him a card
2006 Ultimate All Pro Signatures Barry Sanders Auto 01 10 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/271312178440?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1559.l2649)

Buyer filed a claim as not described to get his money back. I said returned for a full refund. Waited days, no replay. I escalated to claim, they sided with buyer. Buyer left a tracking number, but haven't shipped my item.

Here's what Buyer is trying to do
2006 Barry Sanders Ultimate Signatures SSP Auto 1 10 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2006-Barry-Sanders-Ultimate-Signatures-SSP-Auto-1-10-/161168071682?pt=US_Football&hash=item25865d9c02)

Pretty shady? Yup, anyone know this douche, tell him/her to return my card or cancel the claim.

Anyway can I get Ebay involve again or I'm out of luck?

really? really? You sent me a Barry sanders with cards that look like a dog chewed on the corners and never mentioned it in the description and your calling me out. the claim will be cancelled because eBay will not pay for return postage. I am not paying to send it back when you were in the wrong man. Just list flaws in your auctions like everyone else does

[IronMonkey415]

10:40 PM and I am eating popcorn in bed and reading blowoutcards thread.

[MetDude]

Blowout Cards Forums - View Profile: eliteco3 (http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/members/eliteco3.html)

I have no idea who he is but take a look at his ebay handle.

Get on the phone with ebay and paypal asap.
Write ebay/paypal an email including those links.
Are you able to follow up on that case in any way?
Another option would be to report the listing. I think theres one for stolen goods.

If it were me I might do ALL of the above right now.

[MetDude]

really? really? You sent me a Barry sanders with cards that look like a dog chewed on the corners and never mentioned it in the description and your calling me out. the claim will be cancelled because eBay will not pay for return postage. I am not paying to send it back when you were in the wrong man. Just list flaws in your auctions like everyone else does

really really ya mean like you do ?

nearmint condition. A couple corners are not perfect

Funny how you also dont mention it looks like a dog chewed on it ?

[SandersAD#1]

really? really? You sent me a Barry sanders with cards that look like a dog chewed on the corners and never mentioned it in the description and your calling me out. the claim will be cancelled because eBay will not pay for return postage. I am not paying to send it back when you were in the wrong man. Just list flaws in your auctions like everyone else does

Everything was on the picture and it does not look like a dog chewed on it! You could at least message me for the conditions before bidding if you wanted to know the condition.

Even when you already won the card, you could have contacted me and we could have cancel the transaction. Instead you didn't do any of that and had to make me file a none paying claim in order for you to pay and then this happens.

[DannyShakes]

Love it when the best of people come out.

[SandersAD#1]

Sorry to disappoint you guys but put those popcorn away. We're going to work this out through message as friendly people normal do. Thanks for your time and sorry to disappoint you guys!:special::special:

[Ray27Ray52]

Boo.

Unsubscribed.

[MetDude]

Sorry to disappoint you guys but put those popcorn away. We're going to work this out through message as friendly people normal do. Thanks for your time and sorry to disappoint you guys!:special::special:

normal friendly people dont need an unpaid claim in order to pay,
file a damage report with no contact
take your refund,
send you and paypal a fake tracking number
and then refuse to return the item.


gl!

[SandersAD#1]

normal friendly people dont need an unpaid claim in order to pay,
file a damage report with no contact
take your refund,
send you and paypal a fake tracking number
and then refuse to return the item.


gl!

We will see what happens but thanks for the info a few posts up.

[bigzig]

really? really? You sent me a Barry sanders with cards that look like a dog chewed on the corners and never mentioned it in the description and your calling me out. the claim will be cancelled because eBay will not pay for return postage. I am not paying to send it back when you were in the wrong man. Just list flaws in your auctions like everyone else does

So you opened a claim without contacting the seller first. Then re-listed the card with "dog chewed corners" for more money and will likely send it back if you can't make money off of it. (We call this the peekaboo). And you expect us to believe that you wouldn't send a $100 card back because you didn't want to pay $1.69 to ship it back? C'mon man...


And kudos on the 19 retractions. That's a quality ebayer right there.

[bigzig]

You also seem to have a HUGE problem not receiving cards in good shape. Either you are the unluckiest person in the world or you should stick to card shows where you can see the card in person before you buy.

40 neutrals and 29 negs left?

Negative/Neutral Feedback left by kcfutures9 (http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=kcfutures9&Dirn=Left+by&ref=home)

[cadillac540]

You also seem to have a HUGE problem not receiving cards in good shape. Either you are the unluckiest person in the world or you should stick to card shows where you can see the card in person before you buy.

40 neutrals and 29 negs left?

Negative/Neutral Feedback left by kcfutures9 (http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=kcfutures9&Dirn=Left+by&ref=home)

LOL @ this neg:

resold the item for more and refunded my payment while we were under contract

Seller: Member id wantedlist (598)
Reply by wantedlist (Jan-16-13 13:36):
Had not paid after 9 days sincerely thought he was not longer interested relistd

[smackvay]

HOLY CRAP^^^^^
DUDE YOU ARE BLOCKED^^^^^^(not bigzig)im talking about eliteco
What a piece of crap eliteco you should be ashamed of yourself

[smackvay]

Boo.

Unsubscribed.

You might want to resubscribe:D

[yourmyboyblue2]

We will see what happens but thanks for the info a few posts up.

Future reference, stay away from ebay and just PM me with Sanders stuff you have for sale!! :D

HOLY CRAP^^^^^
DUDE YOU ARE BLOCKED^^^^^^(not bigzig)im talking about eliteco
What a piece of crap eliteco you should be ashamed of yourself

Isnt this the same crap we talked about a couple weeks ago? Boggles my mind!

[Clarka3]

it's always funny when people think they can do their shady stuff on ebay and not get caught here.

[TarjetasBéisbol]

Welcome to a listing from Kcfutures9. We strive to be honest and trustworthy in our selling.

[Ray27Ray52]

Re-subscribing.

Thank you.

[smackvay]

Re-subscribing.

Thank you.

As soon as eliteco finds the time to post in here I would LOVE to hear what he/she has to say(as ive cancelled a business lunch and went ahead and cleared my schedule for the rest of the day:D)

[Ray27Ray52]

As soon as eliteco finds the time to post in here I would LOVE to hear what he/she has to say(as ive cancelled a business lunch and went ahead and cleared my schedule for the rest of the day:D)

I have a feeling that the post of the day will be found in this thread at some point. That's my hope at least.

[yourmyboyblue2]

really? really? You sent me a Barry sanders with cards that look like a dog chewed on the corners and never mentioned it in the description and your calling me out. the claim will be cancelled because eBay will not pay for return postage. I am not paying to send it back when you were in the wrong man. Just list flaws in your auctions like everyone else does

Really? Really? You are trying to sell a damaged Barry that has 'cards that look like a dog chewed on the corners' for $25 more than you originally paid for it? With no mention that they look that bad, just that they have issues....what 21 bids & you think someone else is going to come higher on the 1st bid...hell, I rarely buy to flip, if I do its generally bad listed stuff or stuff too cheap to pass on, but I will be damned if I pull some slimy shady crap like this to make money. People like you are completely ruining this site & this hobby! Take your chargebacks and go hang out on China

[bigzig]

LOL @ this neg:

resold the item for more and refunded my payment while we were under contract

Seller: Member id wantedlist (598)
Reply by wantedlist (Jan-16-13 13:36):
Had not paid after 9 days sincerely thought he was not longer interested relistd

I like the one where he left a neg on a $1 card because it wan't in a penny sleeve...........then check his neg feedbacks received and he charges $2.99 and ships PWE.

eBay Feedback Profile for kcfutures9 (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=kcfutures9&iid=161168071682&de=off&items=25&which=negative&interval=365&_trkparms=negative_365)

[a-train10]

Is this really a surprise though? Guy can't handle himself in a conversation, much less a sale under contract.

[yourmyboyblue2]

I like the one where he left a neg on a $1 card because it wan't in a penny sleeve...........then check his neg feedbacks received and he charges $2.99 and ships PWE.

eBay Feedback Profile for kcfutures9 (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=kcfutures9&iid=161168071682&de=off&items=25&which=negative&interval=365&_trkparms=negative_365)

Ahhh, the Superbowl MVP refund for more money:rolleyes: Anybody want my Barry PC? I have lost complete faith in humanity :(

[Ray27Ray52]

I searched through all of his videos and I can't find the card in any of them. I may have missed it though.

[illadelf]

...BLOCKED...

[IndyKMB]

Wow. On about 12 different levels.

Just...wow.

[IronMonkey415]

Blocked!!!! I remember someone with KC in their ebay name contacted me and ask me what I look like. YOU WILL NEVER CREEP OUT AGAIN!!!

It's probably him.

[ManInTheMirror]

member when he joined and we thought haiku

but dem vids doe

[smackvay]

I have a feeling that the post of the day will be found in this thread at some point. That's my hope at least.

Oh im just waiting:)!

[nhsportsguy]

2 blocks in one thread. I love it!

:special:

[lionsfan20]

This is very sad. Eliteco3 is a brand new father as well. I really hope you don't pass this kind of behavior on to your children.:(

[smackvay]

Blocked^^ I agree that's pretty good BUT, the crickets in here from eliteco is WAY more overwhelming

[jlzinck]

Can someone make a video recap of the goings on?

TYVM

God Bless

[Ray27Ray52]

Can someone make a video recap of the goings on?

TYVM

God Bless

Quick summary for ya:

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k497/animalsbeingdicks/abd-09.gif

[stripedbass91]

Quick summary for ya:

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k497/animalsbeingdicks/abd-09.gif

Oh...I thought it went more like this

http://i1057.photobucket.com/albums/t396/stripedbass91/GIF/monkey-smells-finger-o_zps4c7adb37.gif (http://s1057.photobucket.com/user/stripedbass91/media/GIF/monkey-smells-finger-o_zps4c7adb37.gif.html)

[bballcollector]

Sold me the card before Superbowl, Flacco gets MVP you refund me??????????? Buyer: i***v ( 2230)

Lmao that's just wrong!

[Divino]

WOW! Eliteco3 has been blocked! Thank you!

[TaToRz]

douche, douche, DOUCHE!!!!!

Just the negative feedbacks left alone should warrant a ban from ebay and here.. someone call the mods in.. why would you want someone like this in here buying?? or selling??

[TaToRz]

and just blocked him as well...

[BoxBreaker72]

I expected this to be a few more pages by now...

Thanks for the info OP.

[Tesla]

Not surprised by this.

[jarrodsalas]

It's amazing how many of his purchases are "damaged". Out of 1, 000+ transactions I have never received a card that has slid out of the toploader. That seems to be his go to excuse for a refund. Sad.

[Highroller]

Can't believe anyone is shocked by this if you have read any of his posts on this site.

[xbignick]

Looks like he has two ebay accounts (one same name as here), other one has left at least one negative as well.

[jlzinck]

Should be banned

[DannyShakes]

Not surprised by this.

Oh yes. Mr. know it all

[SDcardguy24]

As soon as eliteco finds the time to post in here I would LOVE to hear what he/she has to say(as ive cancelled a business lunch and went ahead and cleared my schedule for the rest of the day:D)

Dude is good for a minimum 20 posts per day on the forum so one of them will eventually end up here :special:

[jason122883]

Can someone post a link to this guys videos?

[JenAndKylesCard]

Not surprised by this.

Can't believe anyone is shocked by this if you have read any of his posts on this site.

Should be banned

+1 this ^^^

[Ray27Ray52]

Can someone post a link to this guys videos?

Eliteco3 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/Eliteco3/videos)

[DannyShakes]

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[DannyShakes]

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[jason122883]

Wait a second, this is a grown man? I always assumed by the way he handled himself he was like 12

[IronMonkey415]

OMG...If I new it was a grown man I would have played along with his creepy as **** message, and see how far he would take it.
I thought it was a kid so I ignored.

[ssbledsoe]

Fascinating. He can resale "dog chewed" cards. He clearly likes to grade, but can't look at scans before buying? Crazy...

[yourmyboyblue2]

Fascinating. He can resale "dog chewed" cards. He clearly likes to grade, but can't look at scans before buying? Crazy...

And he continues to post in other sections, I guess he thinks if he ignores this it will all go away

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/football/627124-how-2011-topps-chrome-compared-12-13-a.html


http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/blowoutcards-product-information-pages-football/615042-2013-upper-deck-sp-authentic-football.html

[eliteco3]

I will work to restore my good name. I respect the hobby and all members on ebay and this forum. AD sanders and myself are working out the transaction. The claim will be cancelled as I have the item listed currently. I should have cancelled the claim before I posted the item. I did state the corners are not perfect. If a buyer is not satisfied with the corners when they buy it, they can send it to me for a full refund. I sell honestly on ebay and deal honestly. Check my feedback. I make my videos to share the hobby with others and offer insight. I do not cheat people and never will.

[HBMC]

It is truly amazing what kind of refuse this site attracts.

[1eyed_jack]

I will work to restore my good name. I respect the hobby and all members on ebay and this forum. AD sanders and myself are working out the transaction. The claim will be cancelled as I have the item listed currently. I should have cancelled the claim before I posted the item. I did state the corners are not perfect. If a buyer is not satisfied with the corners when they buy it, they can send it to me for a full refund. I sell honestly on ebay and deal honestly. Check my feedback. I make my videos to share the hobby with others and offer insight. I do not cheat people and never will.

I thought the appropriate action was to file a claim and then relist it for more money to see if you can't make a profit first, and then if it doesn't sell, return the card for a refund.

What am I missing, isn't that the process?

[JohnRyno]

You also seem to have a HUGE problem not receiving cards in good shape. Either you are the unluckiest person in the world or you should stick to card shows where you can see the card in person before you buy.

40 neutrals and 29 negs left?

Negative/Neutral Feedback left by kcfutures9 (http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=kcfutures9&Dirn=Left+by&ref=home)

Explanation necessary:

[yourmyboyblue2]

they can send it to me for a full refund. I sell honestly on ebay and deal honestly. Check my feedback. I make my videos to share the hobby with others and offer insight. I do not cheat people and never will.

Funny, they have to send back to you for a refund but it cost too much for you to send it back huh? You deal honestly & dont cheap anyone?? It was too damaged for you, so you tried to keep it, get a refund, & resell it:rolleyes: give me a break

[eliteco3]

Explanation necessary:

I purchase a lot of items on ebay. If I feel I was not treated right I leave appropriate feedback. I have received cards in only a soft sleeve. That deserves a negative in my opinion. I have left thousands of positives as well

[lambeauleap87]

Even though this happened on eBay between two BO members, that sounds like grounds for banning to me. Clearly not afraid to pull the crap as a scammer, and I think I can speak for all of us when I saw we already have more than enough of those around here.

[eliteco3]

Even though this happened on eBay between two BO members, that sounds like grounds for banning to me. Clearly not afraid to pull the crap as a scammer, and I think I can speak for all of us when I saw we already have more than enough of those around here.

The problem is I am not scamming ADsanders. When the dust settles he will have his money for the transaction and I will have the card.

[lambeauleap87]

The problem is I am not scamming ADsanders. When the dust settles he will have his money for the transaction and I will have the card.

Getting caught in a scam and trying to save face is not the same thing as not scamming.

[smackvay]

didn't use a soft sleeve or top loader, shipped the item bare negligent Seller:
Member id smith602876 ( Feedback Score Of 138Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
Nov-24-13 17:42
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Negative feedback rating creased corner, never noted this in the description Seller:
Member id jseau ( Feedback Score Of 40483Teal shooting star icon for feedback score in between 25,000 to 49,999)
Nov-21-13 11:02
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Negative feedback rating shipped without tape, the card arrived outside of the case, negligent seller Seller:
Member id rubbernec820 ( Feedback Score Of 17Yellow star icon for feedback score in between 10 to 49)
Nov-08-13 10:11
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Negative feedback rating worst shipper I have ever bought from. Shipped the card in a penny sleeve Seller:
Member id unclescrubby ( Feedback Score Of 3665Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Sep-16-13 14:46

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Reply by unclescrubby (Nov-01-13 02:45):
i got negative feedback on a $1 card.this is what ruins ebay. piece of crap!

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Neutral feedback rating sloppy shipper. Didn't use tape on the case. Card arrived outside of the case Seller:
Member id jneal003 ( Feedback Score Of 608Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
Sep-16-13 14:43
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Neutral feedback rating no soft sleeve used and the card was stuck to tape. Used curse word towards me Seller:
Member id clintonsdaddy2013 ( Feedback Score Of 207Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
Sep-09-13 09:49
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Detailed item information is not available for the following items because the Feedback is over 90 days old.

Negative feedback rating Did not tape card in to secure it. It arrived loose in package with scuffed edge Seller:
Member id cptsabby ( Feedback Score Of 95Blue star icon for feedback score in between 50 to 99)
Aug-03-13 01:43
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Neutral feedback rating Shipped in just a penny sleeve Seller:
Member id davis0718 ( Feedback Score Of 3834Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Jul-19-13 02:17
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Negative feedback rating card creased down the middle and in two other places. horrific condition Seller:
Member id coach4306ps4 ( Feedback Score Of 2435Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Jul-16-13 12:46
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Neutral feedback rating Failed to tape the card in he case. It arrived halfway out of the case negligent Seller:
Member id pricedtosellflorida954 ( Feedback Score Of 807Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
Jul-12-13 19:12
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Negative feedback rating Didn't tape card in case it arrived outside of case negligent Seller:
Member id jsizzie ( Feedback Score Of 24Yellow star icon for feedback score in between 10 to 49)
Jul-12-13 14:16
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Neutral feedback rating arrived in a penny sleeve with no toploader Seller:
Member id onelonebeastie ( Feedback Score Of 571Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
Jul-12-13 09:06
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Neutral feedback rating Shipped it a soft sleeve and the card was half way out of sleeve negligent Seller:
Member id burgh1293 ( Feedback Score Of 80Blue star icon for feedback score in between 50 to 99)
Jul-06-13 22:43
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Neutral feedback rating Thanks but card arrived out of the case use tape next time please Seller:
Member id kempfixx ( Feedback Score Of 3648Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Jul-04-13 01:37
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Neutral feedback rating Arrived in beat up condition Seller:
Member id gies22 ( Feedback Score Of 3550Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Jul-04-13 01:31
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Negative feedback rating Paid for item seller never shipped it Seller:
Member id chavyman3 ( Feedback Score Of 1381Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Jul-04-13 01:20
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Positive feedback rating This comment has been removed by eBay. Learn more. Seller:
Member id ooohashinycard ( Feedback Score Of 158Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
Jul-04-13 01:19
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Neutral feedback rating Arrived in a penny sleeve with no top loader protection unacceptable Seller:
Member id mkirst21182 ( Feedback Score Of 121Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
Jul-04-13 01:18
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Neutral feedback rating Thanks but dummy cards were stuffed in the penny sleeves and one was flawed Seller:
Member id 1dayshow ( Feedback Score Of 6424Green star icon for feedback score in between 5,000 to 9,999)
Jul-04-13 01:16
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Neutral feedback rating The s is flawed in this card. Failed to put this in the description Seller:
Member id randklong334 ( Feedback Score Of 2493Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Jul-04-13 01:15
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Neutral feedback rating Failed to use a hard case for cards. The seller shipped them in penny sleeves Seller:
Member id cauldercup ( Feedback Score Of 416Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
Jun-25-13 10:04
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Neutral feedback rating shipped without hard cases in penny sleeves Seller:
Member id scruff12212 ( Feedback Score Of 948Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
Jun-24-13 15:59
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Negative feedback rating item arrived in a soft sleeve half way out of sleeve damaged in a thin envelope Seller:
Member id dsquared3131 ( Feedback Score Of 23Yellow star icon for feedback score in between 10 to 49)
Jun-24-13 07:47
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Negative feedback rating Never shipped the item out Seller:
Member id papermaker608 ( Feedback Score Of 497Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
Jun-18-13 09:50
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Neutral feedback rating The 8 refractors were shipped loose without soft sleeves or protection Seller:
Member id daraidasbaby ( Feedback Score Of 3334Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Jun-16-13 10:12
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Neutral feedback rating arrived with soft corners in rough shape. Not accurately listed Seller:
Member id portug0826 ( Feedback Score Of 295Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
May-13-13 00:07
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Neutral feedback rating seller didn't use tape to secure card. Card arrived out of case in rough shape Seller:
Member id quickiejoe ( Feedback Score Of 10966Yellow shooting star icon for feedback score in between 10,000 to 24,999)
May-13-13 00:03
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Negative feedback rating card arrived damaged seller used no hard case and a plain white envelope Seller:
Member id waxpax63 ( Feedback Score Of 358Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
May-13-13 00:00
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Negative feedback rating damaged card promised a partial refund but has ignored emails Seller:
Member id tyson.tmac ( Feedback Score Of 204Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
May-11-13 00:59

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Reply by tyson.tmac (May-11-13 21:35):
Took him over 1 week to answer my messages or pay for item. Very poor communicat

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Neutral feedback rating chipped up front top edge serious flaw Seller:
Member id sportsgalore90 ( Feedback Score Of 429Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
May-11-13 00:54
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Neutral feedback rating shipped without a hard case not acceptable Seller:
Member id bigboydsportscards3 ( Feedback Score Of 213227Red shooting star icon for feedback score in between 100,000 to 499,999)
May-11-13 00:50
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Neutral feedback rating shipped without a hard cose and in rough shape Seller:
Member id bigboydsportscards3 ( Feedback Score Of 213227Red shooting star icon for feedback score in between 100,000 to 499,999)
May-11-13 00:49
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Negative feedback rating creased back corner said to be gem Seller:
Member id bigboydsportscards3 ( Feedback Score Of 213227Red shooting star icon for feedback score in between 100,000 to 499,999)
May-11-13 00:48

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Reply by bigboydsportscards3 (May-11-13 06:47):
I'm sorry you are not happy with item, please email us and will do best to fix.

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Neutral feedback rating shipped without a hard case unacceptable Seller:
Member id bigboydsportscards3 ( Feedback Score Of 213227Red shooting star icon for feedback score in between 100,000 to 499,999)
May-11-13 00:24
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Negative feedback rating Fraudulent Seller shipped me a Luck Sterling Auto Dishonest Seller:
Member id deejay1304 ( Feedback Score Of 1413Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)

No longer a registered user Mar-14-13 10:40
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Negative feedback rating top back edge is flawed terribly, never stated this in description Seller:
Member id dmarcus8 ( Feedback Score Of 43997Teal shooting star icon for feedback score in between 25,000 to 49,999)
Feb-15-13 14:29
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Negative feedback rating did not use a soft sleeve and cards arrived dinged up Seller:
Member id 3ts4me ( Feedback Score Of 1093Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Feb-15-13 14:26
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Neutral feedback rating card was lost never recieved Seller:
Member id thinkgreenbegreen ( Feedback Score Of 1503Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Feb-15-13 00:11

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Reply by thinkgreenbegreen (Feb-26-13 05:49):
PO lost!!! Won't even respond to Insurance claim so I can get my money back!!!:(

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Negative feedback rating Surface is badly damaged and dented, this was not in the description Seller:
Member id jabrolter69 ( Feedback Score Of 1283Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Jan-27-13 10:14

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Reply by jabrolter69 (Jan-29-13 15:40):
eBay/Paypal awarded in my favor ... malicious feedback left ... buyer penalized

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Neutral feedback rating chipped up corners and edges Seller:
Member id bmadison97 ( Feedback Score Of 372Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
Jan-19-13 18:08
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Neutral feedback rating Noticeable surface dent on front of the card Seller:
Member id jdubcards ( Feedback Score Of 1528Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Jan-19-13 17:21
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Negative feedback rating never shipped the card out or answered emails Seller:
Member id kjones8963 ( Feedback Score Of 15703Yellow shooting star icon for feedback score in between 10,000 to 24,999)
Jan-04-13 15:05
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Negative feedback rating resold the item for more and refunded my payment while we were under contract Seller:
Member id wantedlist ( Feedback Score Of 598Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
Dec-27-12 07:53

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Reply by wantedlist (Jan-16-13 13:36):
Had not paid after 9 days sincerely thought he was not longer interested relistd

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Negative feedback rating seller refunded my payment and relisted the card, he makes his own rules Seller:
Member id mysonjoshua2000 ( Feedback Score Of 525Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
Dec-19-12 11:55
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Negative feedback rating the card arrived outside of the case, resulting in a badly creased left corner Seller:
Member id buffalobill99 ( Feedback Score Of 2281Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Nov-29-12 13:23
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Neutral feedback rating Damaged back of the card Seller:
Member id dmarcus8 ( Feedback Score Of 43997Teal shooting star icon for feedback score in between 25,000 to 49,999)
Nov-29-12 09:57
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Negative feedback rating never sent card after I paid Seller:
Member id robertgriffin-lll ( Feedback Score Of 1 )
Nov-12-12 12:39
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Negative feedback rating unacceptable the card is creased across the surface in two areas Seller:
Member id bellapo05 ( Feedback Score Of 36Yellow star icon for feedback score in between 10 to 49)
Sep-20-12 19:30

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Reply by bellapo05 (Oct-17-12 17:50):
Unreal !!!, Can't read, I was very clear about the card/condition.

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Negative feedback rating card was not taped in and arrived out of the case unacceptable Seller:
Member id bluedragon_84 ( Feedback Score Of 511Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
Sep-14-12 15:50
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Neutral feedback rating Shipped them in soft sleeves unacceptable Seller:
Member id eastcoastcollectibles59 ( Feedback Score Of 8199Green star icon for feedback score in between 5,000 to 9,999)
Sep-07-12 02:42

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Reply by eastcoastcollectibles59 (Sep-07-12 06:39):
Cards sent in sleeves team bag and next to cardboard in bubble mailer. No damage

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Neutral feedback rating Card arrived out of the case, it was not taped in Seller:
Member id 11wiggy76 ( Feedback Score Of 779Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
Aug-29-12 14:31
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Negative feedback rating Card arrived creased as it was not taped in properly Seller:
Member id david1828269 ( Feedback Score Of 708Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
Jul-23-12 01:09

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Reply by david1828269 (Jul-25-12 09:54):
Money was refunded without any questions. Why the negative feedback?

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Neutral feedback rating the seller did not tape the card in the case. It was loose in the package Seller:
Member id december_mourning ( Feedback Score Of 121Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
Jun-20-12 08:59
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Neutral feedback rating stated item was mint with not chipping, the card was scuffed up bad Seller:
Member id phantom1257 ( Feedback Score Of 106Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)

No longer a registered user May-10-12 12:21

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Reply by phantom1257 (May-11-12 10:44):
I was asked if the card had any chipping after he bid on it and won the auction.

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Neutral feedback rating dinged up edge Seller:
Member id debbygr ( Feedback Score Of 8606Green star icon for feedback score in between 5,000 to 9,999)
May-10-12 12:18
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Negative feedback rating Seller shipped $111 item in a soft sleeve no top loader unacceptable Seller:
Member id brahojen ( Feedback Score Of 942Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
Mar-25-12 12:27
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Neutral feedback rating Creased back corner Seller:
Member id balls58 ( Feedback Score Of 2075Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Feb-20-12 10:10

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Reply by balls58 (Feb-21-12 17:38):
Did offer full refund. Unfortunate couldnt come to terms. Did say he loved card.

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Neutral feedback rating chipped corners and edges had to resale and describe it accurately Seller:
Member id bedfordsportscards ( Feedback Score Of 1173Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Jan-31-12 23:40
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Neutral feedback rating chipped up a little on corners and edges Seller:
Member id dksf21 ( Feedback Score Of 419Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
Jan-27-12 08:25
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Neutral feedback rating rough condition and secured poorly Seller:
Member id dlhot ( Feedback Score Of 5495Green star icon for feedback score in between 5,000 to 9,999)
Jan-24-12 09:29
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Neutral feedback rating the actual card does not match the picture chipped up Seller:
Member id marriott1565 ( Feedback Score Of 873Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
Jan-11-12 07:56

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Reply by marriott1565 (Jan-12-12 12:20):
GROSS EXAGGERATION! CARD PACK PULLED BY MYSELF. NO COMMUNICATION JUST NEUTRAL

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Negative feedback rating a bad experience very disappointed Seller:
Member id ohiocards ( Feedback Score Of 7 )
Nov-28-11 09:43
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Neutral feedback rating off centered and 3 surface dings not mint like the description states Seller:
Member id bottle_rocket ( Feedback Score Of 165Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
Oct-06-11 08:16
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Neutral feedback rating upsetting said card was damaged so we cancelled transaction Seller:
Member id vnpaiello ( Feedback Score Of 879Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
Sep-15-11 20:03
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Neutral feedback rating Chipped and dented corners not listed in description Seller:
Member id lainied23 ( Feedback Score Of 99Blue star icon for feedback score in between 50 to 99)
Aug-03-11 23:38
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Neutral feedback rating ink mark on top of card not noted in listing description Seller:
Member id mostexcellentcollectibles ( Feedback Score Of 19003Yellow shooting star icon for feedback score in between 10,000 to 24,999)
Jul-28-11 09:22
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Negative feedback rating no response to emails and never recieved card fraudulent seller Seller:
Member id historicink (private)

No longer a registered user Jul-06-11 20:23
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Neutral feedback rating dented bottom left corner inaccurate description Seller:
Member id cory060818 ( Feedback Score Of 562Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
May-01-11 21:46
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Neutral feedback rating inaccurately described failed to mention 2 big white scuffs on back of card Seller:
Member id **memphistigers** ( Feedback Score Of 1502Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Mar-18-11 15:14

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Reply by **memphistigers** (Mar-18-11 22:13):
Card was in PERFECT shape when shipped - did buyer change mind and damage card?

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Negative feedback rating shipped in a white envelope no padding back of the card was creased

im sure these ARE ALL COINCIDENCE

[yourmyboyblue2]

I purchase a lot of items on ebay. If I feel I was not treated right I leave appropriate feedback. I have received cards in only a soft sleeve. That deserves a negative in my opinion. I have left thousands of positives as well

I purchase a lot on ebay too, several thousand $ last month. Yet I dont file a NAD claim & try to resell it for more at the same time

[corndog]

I will work to restore my good name. I respect the hobby and all members on ebay and this forum. AD sanders and myself are working out the transaction. The claim will be cancelled as I have the item listed currently. I should have cancelled the claim before I posted the item. I did state the corners are not perfect. If a buyer is not satisfied with the corners when they buy it, they can send it to me for a full refund. I sell honestly on ebay and deal honestly. Check my feedback. I make my videos to share the hobby with others and offer insight. I do not cheat people and never will.

Sorry, but I think that your feedback history both received and given on ebay speaks volumes as to how you interact with others and conduct business. I have sold over 33,000 items on ebay and haven't received a neg from a buyer in over 2 years and haven't left a neg for a seller in several years. Integrity goes a long way in all aspects of life. Being labeled dishonest can affect you for years. You weren't even honest when you said in your initial response that the "corners looked like they were chewed on by a dog".

You have labeled yourself by your own actions and words...

[JohnRyno]

I purchase a lot of items on ebay. If I feel I was not treated right I leave appropriate feedback. I have received cards in only a soft sleeve. That deserves a negative in my opinion. I have left thousands of positives as well

Why did you relist the Sanders before the initial transaction was completed? Just trying to help you out here...

[smackvay]

I didn't want to edit but read some of these above fdbacks it is as clear as bottled water what is going on and tht you have at least an issue every week? I admit ive had cards come shipped poorly but not as many as you and I have 3 times the feedback as you(and don't worry I have you blocked on ebay)

[garyg21]

Looks to me like a lot of feedback extortion for partial refunds

[ssbledsoe]

Getting caught in a scam and trying to save face is not the same thing as not scamming.

This. A LOT OF THIS! It's like the people that find God as soon as bullets are flying towards them. It's all fun and games until "stuff" gets real...

[eliteco3]

Why did you relist the Sanders before the initial transaction was completed? Just trying to help you out here...

thank you. I agree I should wait until the case is closed. I 100% am not what everyone is accusing me of. I never have cheated someone on ebay. I never will. The item is off ebay now until ADsanders has his money.....

[37Jetson]

thank you. I agree I should wait until the case is closed. I 100% am not what everyone is accusing me of. I never have cheated someone on ebay. I never will. The item is off ebay now until ADsanders has his money.....

It should not have taken a callout thread on Blowout for you to do the right thing.

[ssbledsoe]

thank you. I agree I should wait until the case is closed. I 100% am not what everyone is accusing me of. I never have cheated someone on ebay. I never will. The item is off ebay now until ADsanders has his money.....

You're being accused of being shady as "stuff". Your feedback left for others screams feedback extortion. You list a card that you actively have in eBay/PayPal dispute. People don't want to deal with someone that is going to abuse the system.

[JohnRyno]

thank you. I agree I should wait until the case is closed. I 100% am not what everyone is accusing me of. I never have cheated someone on ebay. I never will. The item is off ebay now until ADsanders has his money.....

They want to know why you re-listed a card, one which you claimed was damaged, at a higher price while requesting a refund. I think these members would also like to know why you have dispensed so many negative feedback ratings on ebay. Again, I just want to help you out of a jam...

[yourmyboyblue2]

I didn't want to edit but read some of these above fdbacks it is as clear as bottled water what is going on and tht you have at least an issue every week? I admit ive had cards come shipped poorly but not as many as you and I have 3 times the feedback as you(and don't worry I have you blocked on ebay)

I dont know about you, but about 4/5 packages I receive the toploaders arent taped. I have had maybe 3 out of 5000 purchases like this that the card slid out of the toploader.

Looks to me like a lot of feedback extortion for partial refunds

I wonder how many of those negatives/neutrals he got refunded or partials & then listed the card for sale? Anybody have that info?

thank you. I agree I should wait until the case is closed. I 100% am not what everyone is accusing me of. I never have cheated someone on ebay. I never will. The item is off ebay now until ADsanders has his money.....

Wait until the case was closed? If he didnt call you out here you would of never sent the card back because that $1.69 was too much money. So you would of gotten refunded & then resold it, that is cheating somebody!! Shame what it takes to make someone do the right thing! All those other sellers that dont belong to BO that you SCAMMED! I know quite a few of them, I will be sending emails to several of the people you neg'd

[37Jetson]

thank you. I agree I should wait until the case is closed. I 100% am not what everyone is accusing me of. I never have cheated someone on ebay. I never will. The item is off ebay now until ADsanders has his money.....

After reading the post highlighting your thread I believe that I gone too light on you. I think that you need to take a look in the mirror because what is staring back at you looks like a lowlife criminal. This should scare you into changing your ways if you have any shred of decency.

[eliteco3]

I dont know about you, but about 4/5 packages I receive the toploaders arent taped. I have had maybe 3 out of 5000 purchases like this that the card slid out of the toploader.



I wonder how many of those negatives/neutrals he got refunded or partials & then listed the card for sale? Anybody have that info?



Wait until the case was closed? If he didnt call you out here you would of never sent the card back because that $1.69 was too much money. So you would of gotten refunded & then resold it, that is cheating somebody!! Shame what it takes to make someone do the right thing! All those other sellers that dont belong to BO that you SCAMMED! I know quite a few of them, I will be sending emails to several of the people you neg'd

I never would have had the card and the money, NEVER. You can believe what you want and pile on but I know who I am and I do not treat people like that. Have to write a paper for my MBA, I will be back on later. peace

[yourmyboyblue2]

I never would have had the card and the money, NEVER. You can believe what you want and pile on but I know who I am and I do not treat people like that. Have to write a paper for my MBA, I will be back on later. peace

You sent a tracking number but never shipped! Instead you listed it on ebay!

[Jopeal]

I really don't know how to feel about this thread.

Garyg21, you make an interesting point that I didn't previously consider.

[garyg21]

I never would have had the card and the money, NEVER. You can believe what you want and pile on but I know who I am and I do not treat people like that. Have to write a paper for my MBA, I will be back on later. peace

Chief - you finally were called out on your scam. Let's be real... You never had any intention of sending back the sanders or any of the other cards you've purchased. You just want the sellers to bend over for you... They give a healthy % back... You resell card and net that % they refunded you.

[yourmyboyblue2]

I feel like the word "scammer" is being thrown around too loosely.
When you look at the situation, Eliteco relisted the card for $22 more than he bought the card for. Taking into account that he's going to lose 10% on fees, then another $3 on shipping, that'd leave him with a $10 profit on this card. It seems like a lot of hassle for ten bucks.
I really don't know how to feel about this thread. It seems like both parties involved in the Sanders purchase handled the problem poorly.

He charges $3 for shipping, so he makes $12 minimum IF the card sells, not bad for 3 minutes of work. I dont see anything wrong with the way AD handled it, the card does not look like a dog chewed on the corners as elite claimed in his first post. AD said to return the item for a refund, which elite refused because $1.69 was too much for him, yet provided a tracking # to paypal to win the claim. I think the biggest issue is the recurring theme going on with elite, this is far from an isolated incident. If he got refunded and never called out, he profits the entire amount he sells for

[webb_jr]

Blocked both of his eBay IDs. He will eventually get what he deserves - exile. Thanks for the heads up OP.

[smackvay]

I feel like the word "scammer" is being thrown around too loosely.
When you look at the situation, Eliteco relisted the card for $22 more than he bought the card for. Taking into account that he's going to lose 10% on fees, then another $3 on shipping, that'd leave him with a $10 profit on this card. It seems like a lot of hassle for ten bucks.
I really don't know how to feel about this thread. It seems like both parties involved in the Sanders purchase handled the problem poorly.

Im not sure what to think about your post. It baffles me your siding (or it appears) with the eliteco character. I guess with your fdback on here you would say this, so I guess im not to surprised

[smackvay]

I really don't know how to feel about this thread.

Garyg21, you make an interesting point that I didn't previously consider.

nice edit but you have been quoted twice already:eek:

[Nickclark1988]

Im not sure what to think about your post. It baffles me your siding (or it appears) with the eliteco character. I guess with your fdback on here you would say this, so I guess im not to surprised

Boom! And here we go. A battle within a battle!

[smackvay]

Boom! And here we go. A battle within a battle!

Its far from a battle when the facts are laid out in front of everyone as clear as water and someone doesn't understand. From his edit I think he misread or didn't fully understand the situation.

Eliteco still continues to dismiss his actions but I believe he will suffer the consequences for his wrongdoings but im not ebay or blowout so not much I can really do

[Jopeal]

nice edit but you have been quoted twice already:eek:

I don't care. I'm just trying to be objective and distance myself from the mob mentality that exists on this forum. Eliteco may very well be running a scam, but I don't want to jump to conclusions the way too many people do.

[Devi8or]

Wow, I've had cards shipped in toploaders without tape for years. I have yet to receive one that slipped out of the case, yet you seem to have one a week. There's no way that it's not a blatant lie. I find it 100% unbelievable that you would receive that many

I would live to know how many of those you got partial refunds for

[cking]

I will work to restore my good name. I respect the hobby and all members on ebay and this forum. AD sanders and myself are working out the transaction. The claim will be cancelled as I have the item listed currently. I should have cancelled the claim before I posted the item. I did state the corners are not perfect. If a buyer is not satisfied with the corners when they buy it, they can send it to me for a full refund. I sell honestly on ebay and deal honestly. Check my feedback. I make my videos to share the hobby with others and offer insight. I do not cheat people and never will.

You forgot the most important part of this statement. The God Bless at the end.
















God Bless.:rolleyes:

[21Pittsburgh58]

Oh man, eliteco. You are NEVER going to live this down. Good name? Gone!!!

[cking]

This is a classic example of someone who should be banned before they rob someone on here.

If EVERYONE cannot see thru the nonsense this guy is spewing then there is no hope for this site.

This clown is a straight up scammer/thief.

And anyone who cannot see that should be ashamed of themselves.

[eliteco3]

I don't care. I'm just trying to be objective and distance myself from the mob mentality that exists on this forum. Eliteco may very well be running a scam, but I don't want to jump to conclusions the way too many people do.

thank you. When it is all said and done ADsanders will have his money. I will most likely sell the sanders for around $100 and break even or lose money on the transaction. People can pile on say what they feel but I don't cheat. I have open dialogue with ADsanders and we will have this issue worked out shortly.

[Devi8or]

thank you. When it is all said and done ADsanders will have his money. I will most likely sell the sanders for around $100 and break even or lose money on the transaction. People can pile on say what they feel but I don't cheat. I have open dialogue with ADsanders and we will have this issue worked out shortly.

If this were the case, you received a card that was damaged so badly you said it looked like it had been chewed by dogs, yet this is your description on the auction you had

nearmint condition. A couple corners are not perfect. Shipping is 2.99. Combined shipping is available at .99 per each additional auction won.

Is this not trying to cheat someone? Either you're cheating the original seller, or you're doing it to the new buyer. You want a refund and claim the original seller didn't have a description that stated the condition. You clearly are doing the same thing, just at a higher price

Care to explain that?

[cking]

didn't use a soft sleeve or top loader, shipped the item bare negligent Seller:
Member id smith602876 ( Feedback Score Of 138Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
Nov-24-13 17:42
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Negative feedback rating creased corner, never noted this in the description Seller:
Member id jseau ( Feedback Score Of 40483Teal shooting star icon for feedback score in between 25,000 to 49,999)
Nov-21-13 11:02
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Negative feedback rating shipped without tape, the card arrived outside of the case, negligent seller Seller:
Member id rubbernec820 ( Feedback Score Of 17Yellow star icon for feedback score in between 10 to 49)
Nov-08-13 10:11
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Negative feedback rating worst shipper I have ever bought from. Shipped the card in a penny sleeve Seller:
Member id unclescrubby ( Feedback Score Of 3665Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Sep-16-13 14:46

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Reply by unclescrubby (Nov-01-13 02:45):
i got negative feedback on a $1 card.this is what ruins ebay. piece of crap!

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Neutral feedback rating sloppy shipper. Didn't use tape on the case. Card arrived outside of the case Seller:
Member id jneal003 ( Feedback Score Of 608Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
Sep-16-13 14:43
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Neutral feedback rating no soft sleeve used and the card was stuck to tape. Used curse word towards me Seller:
Member id clintonsdaddy2013 ( Feedback Score Of 207Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
Sep-09-13 09:49
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Negative feedback rating Did not tape card in to secure it. It arrived loose in package with scuffed edge Seller:
Member id cptsabby ( Feedback Score Of 95Blue star icon for feedback score in between 50 to 99)
Aug-03-13 01:43
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Neutral feedback rating Shipped in just a penny sleeve Seller:
Member id davis0718 ( Feedback Score Of 3834Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Jul-19-13 02:17
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Negative feedback rating card creased down the middle and in two other places. horrific condition Seller:
Member id coach4306ps4 ( Feedback Score Of 2435Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Jul-16-13 12:46
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Neutral feedback rating Failed to tape the card in he case. It arrived halfway out of the case negligent Seller:
Member id pricedtosellflorida954 ( Feedback Score Of 807Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
Jul-12-13 19:12
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Negative feedback rating Didn't tape card in case it arrived outside of case negligent Seller:
Member id jsizzie ( Feedback Score Of 24Yellow star icon for feedback score in between 10 to 49)
Jul-12-13 14:16
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Neutral feedback rating arrived in a penny sleeve with no toploader Seller:
Member id onelonebeastie ( Feedback Score Of 571Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
Jul-12-13 09:06
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Neutral feedback rating Shipped it a soft sleeve and the card was half way out of sleeve negligent Seller:
Member id burgh1293 ( Feedback Score Of 80Blue star icon for feedback score in between 50 to 99)
Jul-06-13 22:43
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Neutral feedback rating Thanks but card arrived out of the case use tape next time please Seller:
Member id kempfixx ( Feedback Score Of 3648Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Jul-04-13 01:37
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Neutral feedback rating Arrived in beat up condition Seller:
Member id gies22 ( Feedback Score Of 3550Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Jul-04-13 01:31
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Negative feedback rating Paid for item seller never shipped it Seller:
Member id chavyman3 ( Feedback Score Of 1381Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Jul-04-13 01:20
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Positive feedback rating This comment has been removed by eBay. Learn more. Seller:
Member id ooohashinycard ( Feedback Score Of 158Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
Jul-04-13 01:19
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Neutral feedback rating Arrived in a penny sleeve with no top loader protection unacceptable Seller:
Member id mkirst21182 ( Feedback Score Of 121Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
Jul-04-13 01:18
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Neutral feedback rating Thanks but dummy cards were stuffed in the penny sleeves and one was flawed Seller:
Member id 1dayshow ( Feedback Score Of 6424Green star icon for feedback score in between 5,000 to 9,999)
Jul-04-13 01:16
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Neutral feedback rating The s is flawed in this card. Failed to put this in the description Seller:
Member id randklong334 ( Feedback Score Of 2493Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Jul-04-13 01:15
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Neutral feedback rating Failed to use a hard case for cards. The seller shipped them in penny sleeves Seller:
Member id cauldercup ( Feedback Score Of 416Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
Jun-25-13 10:04
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Neutral feedback rating shipped without hard cases in penny sleeves Seller:
Member id scruff12212 ( Feedback Score Of 948Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
Jun-24-13 15:59
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Negative feedback rating item arrived in a soft sleeve half way out of sleeve damaged in a thin envelope Seller:
Member id dsquared3131 ( Feedback Score Of 23Yellow star icon for feedback score in between 10 to 49)
Jun-24-13 07:47
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Negative feedback rating Never shipped the item out Seller:
Member id papermaker608 ( Feedback Score Of 497Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
Jun-18-13 09:50
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Neutral feedback rating The 8 refractors were shipped loose without soft sleeves or protection Seller:
Member id daraidasbaby ( Feedback Score Of 3334Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Jun-16-13 10:12
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Neutral feedback rating arrived with soft corners in rough shape. Not accurately listed Seller:
Member id portug0826 ( Feedback Score Of 295Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
May-13-13 00:07
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Neutral feedback rating seller didn't use tape to secure card. Card arrived out of case in rough shape Seller:
Member id quickiejoe ( Feedback Score Of 10966Yellow shooting star icon for feedback score in between 10,000 to 24,999)
May-13-13 00:03
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Negative feedback rating card arrived damaged seller used no hard case and a plain white envelope Seller:
Member id waxpax63 ( Feedback Score Of 358Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
May-13-13 00:00
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Negative feedback rating damaged card promised a partial refund but has ignored emails Seller:
Member id tyson.tmac ( Feedback Score Of 204Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
May-11-13 00:59

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Reply by tyson.tmac (May-11-13 21:35):
Took him over 1 week to answer my messages or pay for item. Very poor communicat

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Neutral feedback rating chipped up front top edge serious flaw Seller:
Member id sportsgalore90 ( Feedback Score Of 429Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
May-11-13 00:54
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Neutral feedback rating shipped without a hard case not acceptable Seller:
Member id bigboydsportscards3 ( Feedback Score Of 213227Red shooting star icon for feedback score in between 100,000 to 499,999)
May-11-13 00:50
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Neutral feedback rating shipped without a hard cose and in rough shape Seller:
Member id bigboydsportscards3 ( Feedback Score Of 213227Red shooting star icon for feedback score in between 100,000 to 499,999)
May-11-13 00:49
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Negative feedback rating creased back corner said to be gem Seller:
Member id bigboydsportscards3 ( Feedback Score Of 213227Red shooting star icon for feedback score in between 100,000 to 499,999)
May-11-13 00:48

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Reply by bigboydsportscards3 (May-11-13 06:47):
I'm sorry you are not happy with item, please email us and will do best to fix.

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Neutral feedback rating shipped without a hard case unacceptable Seller:
Member id bigboydsportscards3 ( Feedback Score Of 213227Red shooting star icon for feedback score in between 100,000 to 499,999)
May-11-13 00:24
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Negative feedback rating Fraudulent Seller shipped me a Luck Sterling Auto Dishonest Seller:
Member id deejay1304 ( Feedback Score Of 1413Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)

No longer a registered user Mar-14-13 10:40
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Negative feedback rating top back edge is flawed terribly, never stated this in description Seller:
Member id dmarcus8 ( Feedback Score Of 43997Teal shooting star icon for feedback score in between 25,000 to 49,999)
Feb-15-13 14:29
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Negative feedback rating did not use a soft sleeve and cards arrived dinged up Seller:
Member id 3ts4me ( Feedback Score Of 1093Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Feb-15-13 14:26
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Neutral feedback rating card was lost never recieved Seller:
Member id thinkgreenbegreen ( Feedback Score Of 1503Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Feb-15-13 00:11

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Reply by thinkgreenbegreen (Feb-26-13 05:49):
PO lost!!! Won't even respond to Insurance claim so I can get my money back!!!:(

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Negative feedback rating Surface is badly damaged and dented, this was not in the description Seller:
Member id jabrolter69 ( Feedback Score Of 1283Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Jan-27-13 10:14

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Reply by jabrolter69 (Jan-29-13 15:40):
eBay/Paypal awarded in my favor ... malicious feedback left ... buyer penalized

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Neutral feedback rating chipped up corners and edges Seller:
Member id bmadison97 ( Feedback Score Of 372Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
Jan-19-13 18:08
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Neutral feedback rating Noticeable surface dent on front of the card Seller:
Member id jdubcards ( Feedback Score Of 1528Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Jan-19-13 17:21
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Negative feedback rating never shipped the card out or answered emails Seller:
Member id kjones8963 ( Feedback Score Of 15703Yellow shooting star icon for feedback score in between 10,000 to 24,999)
Jan-04-13 15:05
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Negative feedback rating resold the item for more and refunded my payment while we were under contract Seller:
Member id wantedlist ( Feedback Score Of 598Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
Dec-27-12 07:53

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Reply by wantedlist (Jan-16-13 13:36):
Had not paid after 9 days sincerely thought he was not longer interested relistd

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Negative feedback rating seller refunded my payment and relisted the card, he makes his own rules Seller:
Member id mysonjoshua2000 ( Feedback Score Of 525Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
Dec-19-12 11:55
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Negative feedback rating the card arrived outside of the case, resulting in a badly creased left corner Seller:
Member id buffalobill99 ( Feedback Score Of 2281Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Nov-29-12 13:23
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Neutral feedback rating Damaged back of the card Seller:
Member id dmarcus8 ( Feedback Score Of 43997Teal shooting star icon for feedback score in between 25,000 to 49,999)
Nov-29-12 09:57
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Negative feedback rating never sent card after I paid Seller:
Member id robertgriffin-lll ( Feedback Score Of 1 )
Nov-12-12 12:39
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Negative feedback rating unacceptable the card is creased across the surface in two areas Seller:
Member id bellapo05 ( Feedback Score Of 36Yellow star icon for feedback score in between 10 to 49)
Sep-20-12 19:30

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Reply by bellapo05 (Oct-17-12 17:50):
Unreal !!!, Can't read, I was very clear about the card/condition.

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Negative feedback rating card was not taped in and arrived out of the case unacceptable Seller:
Member id bluedragon_84 ( Feedback Score Of 511Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
Sep-14-12 15:50
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Neutral feedback rating Shipped them in soft sleeves unacceptable Seller:
Member id eastcoastcollectibles59 ( Feedback Score Of 8199Green star icon for feedback score in between 5,000 to 9,999)
Sep-07-12 02:42

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Reply by eastcoastcollectibles59 (Sep-07-12 06:39):
Cards sent in sleeves team bag and next to cardboard in bubble mailer. No damage

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Neutral feedback rating Card arrived out of the case, it was not taped in Seller:
Member id 11wiggy76 ( Feedback Score Of 779Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
Aug-29-12 14:31
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Negative feedback rating Card arrived creased as it was not taped in properly Seller:
Member id david1828269 ( Feedback Score Of 708Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
Jul-23-12 01:09

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Reply by david1828269 (Jul-25-12 09:54):
Money was refunded without any questions. Why the negative feedback?

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Neutral feedback rating the seller did not tape the card in the case. It was loose in the package Seller:
Member id december_mourning ( Feedback Score Of 121Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
Jun-20-12 08:59
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Neutral feedback rating stated item was mint with not chipping, the card was scuffed up bad Seller:
Member id phantom1257 ( Feedback Score Of 106Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)

No longer a registered user May-10-12 12:21

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Reply by phantom1257 (May-11-12 10:44):
I was asked if the card had any chipping after he bid on it and won the auction.

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Neutral feedback rating dinged up edge Seller:
Member id debbygr ( Feedback Score Of 8606Green star icon for feedback score in between 5,000 to 9,999)
May-10-12 12:18
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Negative feedback rating Seller shipped $111 item in a soft sleeve no top loader unacceptable Seller:
Member id brahojen ( Feedback Score Of 942Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
Mar-25-12 12:27
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Neutral feedback rating Creased back corner Seller:
Member id balls58 ( Feedback Score Of 2075Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Feb-20-12 10:10

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Reply by balls58 (Feb-21-12 17:38):
Did offer full refund. Unfortunate couldnt come to terms. Did say he loved card.

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Neutral feedback rating chipped corners and edges had to resale and describe it accurately Seller:
Member id bedfordsportscards ( Feedback Score Of 1173Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Jan-31-12 23:40
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Neutral feedback rating chipped up a little on corners and edges Seller:
Member id dksf21 ( Feedback Score Of 419Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
Jan-27-12 08:25
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Neutral feedback rating rough condition and secured poorly Seller:
Member id dlhot ( Feedback Score Of 5495Green star icon for feedback score in between 5,000 to 9,999)
Jan-24-12 09:29
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Neutral feedback rating the actual card does not match the picture chipped up Seller:
Member id marriott1565 ( Feedback Score Of 873Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
Jan-11-12 07:56

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Reply by marriott1565 (Jan-12-12 12:20):
GROSS EXAGGERATION! CARD PACK PULLED BY MYSELF. NO COMMUNICATION JUST NEUTRAL

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Negative feedback rating a bad experience very disappointed Seller:
Member id ohiocards ( Feedback Score Of 7 )
Nov-28-11 09:43
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Neutral feedback rating off centered and 3 surface dings not mint like the description states Seller:
Member id bottle_rocket ( Feedback Score Of 165Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
Oct-06-11 08:16
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Neutral feedback rating upsetting said card was damaged so we cancelled transaction Seller:
Member id vnpaiello ( Feedback Score Of 879Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
Sep-15-11 20:03
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Neutral feedback rating Chipped and dented corners not listed in description Seller:
Member id lainied23 ( Feedback Score Of 99Blue star icon for feedback score in between 50 to 99)
Aug-03-11 23:38
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Neutral feedback rating ink mark on top of card not noted in listing description Seller:
Member id mostexcellentcollectibles ( Feedback Score Of 19003Yellow shooting star icon for feedback score in between 10,000 to 24,999)
Jul-28-11 09:22
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Negative feedback rating no response to emails and never recieved card fraudulent seller Seller:
Member id historicink (private)

No longer a registered user Jul-06-11 20:23
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Neutral feedback rating dented bottom left corner inaccurate description Seller:
Member id cory060818 ( Feedback Score Of 562Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
May-01-11 21:46
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Neutral feedback rating inaccurately described failed to mention 2 big white scuffs on back of card Seller:
Member id **memphistigers** ( Feedback Score Of 1502Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Mar-18-11 15:14

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Reply by **memphistigers** (Mar-18-11 22:13):
Card was in PERFECT shape when shipped - did buyer change mind and damage card?

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Negative feedback rating shipped in a white envelope no padding back of the card was creased

im sure these ARE ALL COINCIDENCE

So whats the story with all this stuff then?

You expect people to believe this is happening to you this much?

Do you forget that we all buy/sell cards on the internet and know that the chances of this stuff happenning to you this often is beyond astronomical.

I am talking like 100 billion /1 astronomical.

[bdrr]

really? really? You sent me a Barry sanders with cards that look like a dog chewed on the corners and never mentioned it in the description and your calling me out. the claim will be cancelled because eBay will not pay for return postage. I am not paying to send it back when you were in the wrong man. Just list flaws in your auctions like everyone else does

Won't pay $3.00 return shipping, so that entitles you to sell it for $100+?

[cking]

I think people would have more respect for you if you faced the music like a man.

Not responding to the issues with your Ebay account makes you look guilty as sin.

If you have done nothing wrong then why not share and get your side of the story out.

If I was to message all the Ebay sellers listed above that you had issues with, what would they tell me?

Would they tell me you asked for a partial refund because the card slid out of the top loader?

[allday_vikes]

You all know what he's trying to do here right? Any Ebay veteran can tell you that once you win a case, you have so many days to returned the item before ebay closes these type of cases. This guy is trying to abused the system by claiming an item not as described, winning a case, providing a fake tracking #, then trying to make a profit on it. If the item isn't sold, he'll either returned the item or try blackmail the seller for something else hence so many negs. He's just sorry he got caught that's all.

[eliteco3]

I think people would have more respect for you if you faced the music like a man.

Not responding to the issues with your Ebay account makes you look guilty as sin.

If you have done nothing wrong then why not share and get your side of the story out.

If I was to message all the Ebay sellers listed above that you had issues with, what would they tell me?

Would they tell me you asked for a partial refund because the card slid out of the top loader?

watch a video on my channel. There are numerous Live videos where I open a package and it is out of the top loader free in the mailer. Would you be pleased to receive an item like that. One piece of tape is very cheap compared to the value of a card.

[allday_vikes]

Im surprised he wasn't called out earlier by other sellers.

[mnvikingstwins]

watch a video on my channel. There are numerous Live videos where I open a package and it is out of the top loader free in the mailer. Would you be pleased to receive an item like that. One piece of tape is very cheap compared to the value of a card.

And yet you had one where you complained the card was stuck to the tape. Which do you want?

[eliteco3]

You all know what he's trying to do here right? Any Ebay veteran can tell you that once you win a case, you have so many days to returned the item before ebay closes these type of cases. This guy is trying to abused the system by claiming an item not as described, winning a case, providing a fake tracking #, then trying to make a profit on it. If the item isn't sold, he'll either returned the item or try blackmail the seller for something else hence so many negs. He's just sorry he got caught that's all.

this is not true at all. The tracking # has to show delivered to that specific address to attain a refund. The item has not been shipped back. I will be on the phone with ebay closing the case out tomorrow so ADsanders receives 'his' money from the sale of the card. Even without being 'called out' I would have done the right thing and sent the card. How many negatives do I have for trying to Scam people. Zero. 0

[cking]

watch a video on my channel. There are numerous Live videos where I open a package and it is out of the top loader free in the mailer. Would you be pleased to receive an item like that. One piece of tape is very cheap compared to the value of a card.

So thats the story you are going with?

Its a COINCIDENCE that this has happened to you so many times?

Ok, if thats your story. And you are sticking too it then theres not much left to say I guess.

Good luck to you.

[allday_vikes]

this is not true at all. The tracking # has to show delivered to that specific address to attain a refund. The item has not been shipped back. I will be on the phone with ebay closing the case out tomorrow so ADsanders receives 'his' money from the sale of the card. Even without being 'called out' I would have done the right thing and sent the card. How many negatives do I have for trying to Scam people. Zero. 0

You would have sent the card back? I thought you were going to cancel the case? You mean you would send it back if it doesn't sell and let the case run its course if it does right? Pretty sure this is your MO in this hobby. You buy items, claimed them as item not described, win a case, provide fake tracking #, list item for sell, and either send item back if its not sold or let the case run its course. That's the only way I can see why there's so many negs. I'm am willing to bet that if we asked some of these sellers you've dealt with, this would be the story coming from most of them.

[brett06]

this is not true at all. The tracking # has to show delivered to that specific address to attain a refund. The item has not been shipped back. I will be on the phone with ebay closing the case out tomorrow so ADsanders receives 'his' money from the sale of the card. Even without being 'called out' I would have done the right thing and sent the card. How many negatives do I have for trying to Scam people. Zero. 0

Man, your feedback looks like the dump I just took, like complete sh##!

[ManInTheMirror]

And to think- just last week I was discussing purchasing an Xbox 360 from eliteco via a payment plan. Yea, I'm sure that would have went well.

[corndog]

thank you. When it is all said and done ADsanders will have his money. I will most likely sell the sanders for around $100 and break even or lose money on the transaction. People can pile on say what they feel but I don't cheat. I have open dialogue with ADsanders and we will have this issue worked out shortly.

You are only saying this because you have been caught.
It is not possible that you would forget that a card that you just listed is involved in an open dispute. You have a pattern of doing the same thing.

[jlzinck]

This is a classic example of someone who should be banned before they rob someone on here.

If EVERYONE cannot see thru the nonsense this guy is spewing then there is no hope for this site.

This clown is a straight up scammer/thief.

And anyone who cannot see that should be ashamed of themselves.

Your just a loud mouthed "hater" and a girt to boot. What do you know?
God Bless:devil:

[revil41]

Your blocked Eliteco3
Read my signature.

Oh I forgot God Bless

[ssbledsoe]

this is not true at all. The tracking # has to show delivered to that specific address to attain a refund. The item has not been shipped back. I will be on the phone with ebay closing the case out tomorrow so ADsanders receives 'his' money from the sale of the card. Even without being 'called out' I would have done the right thing and sent the card. How many negatives do I have for trying to Scam people. Zero. 0

No, the tracking only shows delivery to the zip code. By the way, you still haven't answered why you put in a FAKE tracking number. That's what concerns most of us. You put in some level of dishonesty, period. That's the scan. You purposefully attempted to deceive, which IS an attpted scam.

[purejd86p]

didn't use a soft sleeve or top loader, shipped the item bare negligent Seller:
Member id smith602876 ( Feedback Score Of 138Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
Nov-24-13 17:42
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Negative feedback rating creased corner, never noted this in the description Seller:
Member id jseau ( Feedback Score Of 40483Teal shooting star icon for feedback score in between 25,000 to 49,999)
Nov-21-13 11:02
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Negative feedback rating shipped without tape, the card arrived outside of the case, negligent seller Seller:
Member id rubbernec820 ( Feedback Score Of 17Yellow star icon for feedback score in between 10 to 49)
Nov-08-13 10:11
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Negative feedback rating worst shipper I have ever bought from. Shipped the card in a penny sleeve Seller:
Member id unclescrubby ( Feedback Score Of 3665Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Sep-16-13 14:46

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Reply by unclescrubby (Nov-01-13 02:45):
i got negative feedback on a $1 card.this is what ruins ebay. piece of crap!

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Neutral feedback rating sloppy shipper. Didn't use tape on the case. Card arrived outside of the case Seller:
Member id jneal003 ( Feedback Score Of 608Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
Sep-16-13 14:43
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Neutral feedback rating no soft sleeve used and the card was stuck to tape. Used curse word towards me Seller:
Member id clintonsdaddy2013 ( Feedback Score Of 207Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
Sep-09-13 09:49
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Negative feedback rating Did not tape card in to secure it. It arrived loose in package with scuffed edge Seller:
Member id cptsabby ( Feedback Score Of 95Blue star icon for feedback score in between 50 to 99)
Aug-03-13 01:43
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Neutral feedback rating Shipped in just a penny sleeve Seller:
Member id davis0718 ( Feedback Score Of 3834Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Jul-19-13 02:17
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Negative feedback rating card creased down the middle and in two other places. horrific condition Seller:
Member id coach4306ps4 ( Feedback Score Of 2435Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Jul-16-13 12:46
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Neutral feedback rating Failed to tape the card in he case. It arrived halfway out of the case negligent Seller:
Member id pricedtosellflorida954 ( Feedback Score Of 807Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
Jul-12-13 19:12
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Negative feedback rating Didn't tape card in case it arrived outside of case negligent Seller:
Member id jsizzie ( Feedback Score Of 24Yellow star icon for feedback score in between 10 to 49)
Jul-12-13 14:16
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Neutral feedback rating arrived in a penny sleeve with no toploader Seller:
Member id onelonebeastie ( Feedback Score Of 571Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
Jul-12-13 09:06
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Neutral feedback rating Shipped it a soft sleeve and the card was half way out of sleeve negligent Seller:
Member id burgh1293 ( Feedback Score Of 80Blue star icon for feedback score in between 50 to 99)
Jul-06-13 22:43
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Neutral feedback rating Thanks but card arrived out of the case use tape next time please Seller:
Member id kempfixx ( Feedback Score Of 3648Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Jul-04-13 01:37
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Neutral feedback rating Arrived in beat up condition Seller:
Member id gies22 ( Feedback Score Of 3550Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Jul-04-13 01:31
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Negative feedback rating Paid for item seller never shipped it Seller:
Member id chavyman3 ( Feedback Score Of 1381Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Jul-04-13 01:20
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Positive feedback rating This comment has been removed by eBay. Learn more. Seller:
Member id ooohashinycard ( Feedback Score Of 158Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
Jul-04-13 01:19
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Neutral feedback rating Arrived in a penny sleeve with no top loader protection unacceptable Seller:
Member id mkirst21182 ( Feedback Score Of 121Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
Jul-04-13 01:18
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Neutral feedback rating Thanks but dummy cards were stuffed in the penny sleeves and one was flawed Seller:
Member id 1dayshow ( Feedback Score Of 6424Green star icon for feedback score in between 5,000 to 9,999)
Jul-04-13 01:16
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Neutral feedback rating The s is flawed in this card. Failed to put this in the description Seller:
Member id randklong334 ( Feedback Score Of 2493Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Jul-04-13 01:15
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Neutral feedback rating Failed to use a hard case for cards. The seller shipped them in penny sleeves Seller:
Member id cauldercup ( Feedback Score Of 416Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
Jun-25-13 10:04
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Neutral feedback rating shipped without hard cases in penny sleeves Seller:
Member id scruff12212 ( Feedback Score Of 948Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
Jun-24-13 15:59
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Negative feedback rating item arrived in a soft sleeve half way out of sleeve damaged in a thin envelope Seller:
Member id dsquared3131 ( Feedback Score Of 23Yellow star icon for feedback score in between 10 to 49)
Jun-24-13 07:47
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Negative feedback rating Never shipped the item out Seller:
Member id papermaker608 ( Feedback Score Of 497Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
Jun-18-13 09:50
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Neutral feedback rating The 8 refractors were shipped loose without soft sleeves or protection Seller:
Member id daraidasbaby ( Feedback Score Of 3334Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Jun-16-13 10:12
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Neutral feedback rating arrived with soft corners in rough shape. Not accurately listed Seller:
Member id portug0826 ( Feedback Score Of 295Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
May-13-13 00:07
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Neutral feedback rating seller didn't use tape to secure card. Card arrived out of case in rough shape Seller:
Member id quickiejoe ( Feedback Score Of 10966Yellow shooting star icon for feedback score in between 10,000 to 24,999)
May-13-13 00:03
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Negative feedback rating card arrived damaged seller used no hard case and a plain white envelope Seller:
Member id waxpax63 ( Feedback Score Of 358Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
May-13-13 00:00
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Negative feedback rating damaged card promised a partial refund but has ignored emails Seller:
Member id tyson.tmac ( Feedback Score Of 204Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
May-11-13 00:59

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Reply by tyson.tmac (May-11-13 21:35):
Took him over 1 week to answer my messages or pay for item. Very poor communicat

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Neutral feedback rating chipped up front top edge serious flaw Seller:
Member id sportsgalore90 ( Feedback Score Of 429Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
May-11-13 00:54
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Neutral feedback rating shipped without a hard case not acceptable Seller:
Member id bigboydsportscards3 ( Feedback Score Of 213227Red shooting star icon for feedback score in between 100,000 to 499,999)
May-11-13 00:50
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Neutral feedback rating shipped without a hard cose and in rough shape Seller:
Member id bigboydsportscards3 ( Feedback Score Of 213227Red shooting star icon for feedback score in between 100,000 to 499,999)
May-11-13 00:49
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Negative feedback rating creased back corner said to be gem Seller:
Member id bigboydsportscards3 ( Feedback Score Of 213227Red shooting star icon for feedback score in between 100,000 to 499,999)
May-11-13 00:48

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Reply by bigboydsportscards3 (May-11-13 06:47):
I'm sorry you are not happy with item, please email us and will do best to fix.

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Neutral feedback rating shipped without a hard case unacceptable Seller:
Member id bigboydsportscards3 ( Feedback Score Of 213227Red shooting star icon for feedback score in between 100,000 to 499,999)
May-11-13 00:24
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Negative feedback rating Fraudulent Seller shipped me a Luck Sterling Auto Dishonest Seller:
Member id deejay1304 ( Feedback Score Of 1413Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)

No longer a registered user Mar-14-13 10:40
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Negative feedback rating top back edge is flawed terribly, never stated this in description Seller:
Member id dmarcus8 ( Feedback Score Of 43997Teal shooting star icon for feedback score in between 25,000 to 49,999)
Feb-15-13 14:29
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Negative feedback rating did not use a soft sleeve and cards arrived dinged up Seller:
Member id 3ts4me ( Feedback Score Of 1093Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Feb-15-13 14:26
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Neutral feedback rating card was lost never recieved Seller:
Member id thinkgreenbegreen ( Feedback Score Of 1503Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Feb-15-13 00:11

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Reply by thinkgreenbegreen (Feb-26-13 05:49):
PO lost!!! Won't even respond to Insurance claim so I can get my money back!!!:(

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Negative feedback rating Surface is badly damaged and dented, this was not in the description Seller:
Member id jabrolter69 ( Feedback Score Of 1283Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Jan-27-13 10:14

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Reply by jabrolter69 (Jan-29-13 15:40):
eBay/Paypal awarded in my favor ... malicious feedback left ... buyer penalized

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Neutral feedback rating chipped up corners and edges Seller:
Member id bmadison97 ( Feedback Score Of 372Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
Jan-19-13 18:08
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Neutral feedback rating Noticeable surface dent on front of the card Seller:
Member id jdubcards ( Feedback Score Of 1528Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Jan-19-13 17:21
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Negative feedback rating never shipped the card out or answered emails Seller:
Member id kjones8963 ( Feedback Score Of 15703Yellow shooting star icon for feedback score in between 10,000 to 24,999)
Jan-04-13 15:05
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Negative feedback rating resold the item for more and refunded my payment while we were under contract Seller:
Member id wantedlist ( Feedback Score Of 598Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
Dec-27-12 07:53

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Reply by wantedlist (Jan-16-13 13:36):
Had not paid after 9 days sincerely thought he was not longer interested relistd

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Negative feedback rating seller refunded my payment and relisted the card, he makes his own rules Seller:
Member id mysonjoshua2000 ( Feedback Score Of 525Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
Dec-19-12 11:55
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Negative feedback rating the card arrived outside of the case, resulting in a badly creased left corner Seller:
Member id buffalobill99 ( Feedback Score Of 2281Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Nov-29-12 13:23
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Neutral feedback rating Damaged back of the card Seller:
Member id dmarcus8 ( Feedback Score Of 43997Teal shooting star icon for feedback score in between 25,000 to 49,999)
Nov-29-12 09:57
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Negative feedback rating never sent card after I paid Seller:
Member id robertgriffin-lll ( Feedback Score Of 1 )
Nov-12-12 12:39
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Negative feedback rating unacceptable the card is creased across the surface in two areas Seller:
Member id bellapo05 ( Feedback Score Of 36Yellow star icon for feedback score in between 10 to 49)
Sep-20-12 19:30

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Reply by bellapo05 (Oct-17-12 17:50):
Unreal !!!, Can't read, I was very clear about the card/condition.

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Negative feedback rating card was not taped in and arrived out of the case unacceptable Seller:
Member id bluedragon_84 ( Feedback Score Of 511Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
Sep-14-12 15:50
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Neutral feedback rating Shipped them in soft sleeves unacceptable Seller:
Member id eastcoastcollectibles59 ( Feedback Score Of 8199Green star icon for feedback score in between 5,000 to 9,999)
Sep-07-12 02:42

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Reply by eastcoastcollectibles59 (Sep-07-12 06:39):
Cards sent in sleeves team bag and next to cardboard in bubble mailer. No damage

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Neutral feedback rating Card arrived out of the case, it was not taped in Seller:
Member id 11wiggy76 ( Feedback Score Of 779Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
Aug-29-12 14:31
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Negative feedback rating Card arrived creased as it was not taped in properly Seller:
Member id david1828269 ( Feedback Score Of 708Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
Jul-23-12 01:09

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Reply by david1828269 (Jul-25-12 09:54):
Money was refunded without any questions. Why the negative feedback?

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Neutral feedback rating the seller did not tape the card in the case. It was loose in the package Seller:
Member id december_mourning ( Feedback Score Of 121Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
Jun-20-12 08:59
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Neutral feedback rating stated item was mint with not chipping, the card was scuffed up bad Seller:
Member id phantom1257 ( Feedback Score Of 106Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)

No longer a registered user May-10-12 12:21

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Reply by phantom1257 (May-11-12 10:44):
I was asked if the card had any chipping after he bid on it and won the auction.

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Neutral feedback rating dinged up edge Seller:
Member id debbygr ( Feedback Score Of 8606Green star icon for feedback score in between 5,000 to 9,999)
May-10-12 12:18
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Negative feedback rating Seller shipped $111 item in a soft sleeve no top loader unacceptable Seller:
Member id brahojen ( Feedback Score Of 942Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
Mar-25-12 12:27
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Neutral feedback rating Creased back corner Seller:
Member id balls58 ( Feedback Score Of 2075Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Feb-20-12 10:10

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Reply by balls58 (Feb-21-12 17:38):
Did offer full refund. Unfortunate couldnt come to terms. Did say he loved card.

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Neutral feedback rating chipped corners and edges had to resale and describe it accurately Seller:
Member id bedfordsportscards ( Feedback Score Of 1173Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Jan-31-12 23:40
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Neutral feedback rating chipped up a little on corners and edges Seller:
Member id dksf21 ( Feedback Score Of 419Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
Jan-27-12 08:25
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Neutral feedback rating rough condition and secured poorly Seller:
Member id dlhot ( Feedback Score Of 5495Green star icon for feedback score in between 5,000 to 9,999)
Jan-24-12 09:29
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Neutral feedback rating the actual card does not match the picture chipped up Seller:
Member id marriott1565 ( Feedback Score Of 873Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
Jan-11-12 07:56

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Reply by marriott1565 (Jan-12-12 12:20):
GROSS EXAGGERATION! CARD PACK PULLED BY MYSELF. NO COMMUNICATION JUST NEUTRAL

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Negative feedback rating a bad experience very disappointed Seller:
Member id ohiocards ( Feedback Score Of 7 )
Nov-28-11 09:43
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Neutral feedback rating off centered and 3 surface dings not mint like the description states Seller:
Member id bottle_rocket ( Feedback Score Of 165Teal star icon for feedback score in between 100 to 499)
Oct-06-11 08:16
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Neutral feedback rating upsetting said card was damaged so we cancelled transaction Seller:
Member id vnpaiello ( Feedback Score Of 879Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
Sep-15-11 20:03
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Neutral feedback rating Chipped and dented corners not listed in description Seller:
Member id lainied23 ( Feedback Score Of 99Blue star icon for feedback score in between 50 to 99)
Aug-03-11 23:38
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Neutral feedback rating ink mark on top of card not noted in listing description Seller:
Member id mostexcellentcollectibles ( Feedback Score Of 19003Yellow shooting star icon for feedback score in between 10,000 to 24,999)
Jul-28-11 09:22
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Negative feedback rating no response to emails and never recieved card fraudulent seller Seller:
Member id historicink (private)

No longer a registered user Jul-06-11 20:23
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Neutral feedback rating dented bottom left corner inaccurate description Seller:
Member id cory060818 ( Feedback Score Of 562Purple star icon for feedback score in between 500 to 999)
May-01-11 21:46
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Neutral feedback rating inaccurately described failed to mention 2 big white scuffs on back of card Seller:
Member id **memphistigers** ( Feedback Score Of 1502Red star icon for feedback score in between 1,000 to 4,999)
Mar-18-11 15:14

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Reply by **memphistigers** (Mar-18-11 22:13):
Card was in PERFECT shape when shipped - did buyer change mind and damage card?

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Negative feedback rating shipped in a white envelope no padding back of the card was creased

im sure these ARE ALL COINCIDENCE


That feedback is just pathetic. How can you treat people this way? Karma is a bit*h.

[37Jetson]

this is not true at all. The tracking # has to show delivered to that specific address to attain a refund. The item has not been shipped back. I will be on the phone with ebay closing the case out tomorrow so ADsanders receives 'his' money from the sale of the card. Even without being 'called out' I would have done the right thing and sent the card. How many negatives do I have for trying to Scam people. Zero. 0

Dude, you are morally bankrupt and that is a sad state of affairs for your life if you choose not to change. We are suppose to believe you that you would return the card after providing the seller with a fake DC?

[yourmyboyblue2]

On a positive note, I have heard back from a few of the sellers, be interesting to see what action they take knowing this now

[allday_vikes]

On a positive note, I have heard back from a few of the sellers, be interesting to see what action they take knowing this now

I don't think they can do much. Let us know what happened with them to see if this is a recurring issue with Eliteco3.

Did you link this thread to them as well?

[yourmyboyblue2]

I don't think they can do much. Let us know what happened with them to see if this is a recurring issue with Eliteco3.

Did you link this thread to them as well?

That I did. Not sure exactly what they will be able to do either, but hopefully with this evidence they can get something done. Its a shame, I wonder how many had this scam pulled & either gave partial or full refunds just to have their cards relisted

[Clarka3]

This is a classic example of someone who should be banned before they rob someone on here.

If EVERYONE cannot see thru the nonsense this guy is spewing then there is no hope for this site.

This clown is a straight up scammer/thief.

And anyone who cannot see that should be ashamed of themselves.

there is a precedent for this happening, where somebody's actions on ebay got them banned on BO.

i can't remember who though.

[mgugs46]

And yet another garbage member. A shame, but it's no longer a surprise.

[xbignick]

thank you. When it is all said and done ADsanders will have his money. I will most likely sell the sanders for around $100 and break even or lose money on the transaction. People can pile on say what they feel but I don't cheat. I have open dialogue with ADsanders and we will have this issue worked out shortly.

Thing is you bought the card for a certain amount and felt like you weren't properly told about its condition, which is fine, that's why we have cases and refunds. But then you re-listed it...for more, wouldn't you value it less with stated flaws, why attempt to profit? Why give a fake tracking number, which is basically fraud? What would have happened if the person wasn't a member here, would he possibly be out the money and the card?

[xbignick]

this is not true at all. The tracking # has to show delivered to that specific address to attain a refund. The item has not been shipped back. I will be on the phone with ebay closing the case out tomorrow so ADsanders receives 'his' money from the sale of the card. Even without being 'called out' I would have done the right thing and sent the card. How many negatives do I have for trying to Scam people. Zero. 0

Again, so why did you upload a tracking at all?

[1eyed_jack]

It's funny, the people that get accused of doing something wrong that come out swinging and yelling and defending themselves are more often the ones that I believe.

The ones that appear calm and post like eliteco are the ones I feel like have done it a lot in the past and will continue to do it.

[cruiserdaddy7]

These types of things are why it concerns me Blowout is turning this forum into an auction site. It will attract many parasites from outside the forum in (or back in). When the word spreads about fee free auctions not only the Auction area but the B/S/T section will be a nightmare as well. Time to be more cautious than ever.

[eliteco3]

No, the tracking only shows delivery to the zip code. By the way, you still haven't answered why you put in a FAKE tracking number. That's what concerns most of us. You put in some level of dishonesty, period. That's the scan. You purposefully attempted to deceive, which IS an attpted scam.

I did not put that tracking # in. I am on the phone with eBay working this out

[JMarchand1981]

Page counter. Six.

[babyfaceposey]

Will fix my post later. Issues copying and pasting on my phone.

[bigsmooth]

Something isn't adding up here, OP states he uploaded a tracking number to send it back and the buyer returning it says he didn't upload a tracking number.

I think the OP should post a screenshot of the supposed tracking # on the return on this thread proving his original statement.

[KevJo]

Anyone who leaves that many Negs and Neutrals needs their head checked. Period!

Kevin

[eliteco3]

if you actually paste the tracking # of the case into UPS.com you will see that UPS created that tracking # for me to use if I ship it back. It says A UPS shipping label has been created. Once the shipment arrives at our facility, the tracking status--including the scheduled delivery date--will be updated.' I didn't create that tracking #.

The case is being closed and seller will receive the funds. I think it is wrong to assume the worst in people. I am an honest dude. Not a scammer. Believe what you want but at the end of the day ADsanders will have his money and I will keep the card.

[allday_vikes]

if you actually paste the tracking # of the case into UPS.com you will see that UPS created that tracking # for me to use if I ship it back. It says A UPS shipping label has been created. Once the shipment arrives at our facility, the tracking status--including the scheduled delivery date--will be updated.' I didn't create that tracking #.

The case is being closed and seller will receive the funds. I think it is wrong to assume the worst in people. I am an honest dude. Not a scammer. Believe what you want but at the end of the day ADsanders will have his money and I will keep the card.

So you're saying Ebay or UPS created that tracking # for the case and you didn't do it? How is that even possible?

[bigsmooth]

Anyone who leaves that many Negs and Neutrals needs their head checked. Period!

Kevin

So when you literally buy over 1,000+ cards and have left less than 1% of all purchases negative or neutral feedback then the buyer has a problem?

What about the seller why aren't they held accountable for their inaccurate descriptions and sloppy shipping practices (card slipping out of top loader in package, no top loader, damaged in shipment, etc)? If you get a card not as described or damaged what would you do?
Sellers won't change their habits/practices unless negative criticism is enforced, that's why eBay has that system in place. What does his feedback history have to do with the original post anyways? Some people here have way too much time on their hands and are quick to rush to judgement on this without knowing all the facts.

[SandersAD#1]

Thank you all for the comments and support. Eliteco3 and I have resolved the issue on Ebay. Here's a screenshot of the tracking # for those of you who are interested. This is probably something we both can learn from. Good day everyone.

http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u447/SandersAD1/ebaydispute_zpsae746236.jpg (http://s1068.photobucket.com/user/SandersAD1/media/ebaydispute_zpsae746236.jpg.html)

[bigzig]

So when you literally buy over 1,000+ cards and have left less than 1% of all purchases negative or neutral feedback then the buyer has a problem?

What about the seller why aren't they held accountable for their inaccurate descriptions and sloppy shipping practices (card slipping out of top loader in package, no top loader, damaged in shipment, etc)? If you get a card not as described or damaged what would you do?
Sellers won't change their habits/practices unless negative criticism is enforced, that's why eBay has that system in place. What does his feedback history have to do with the original post anyways? Some people here have way too much time on their hands and are quick to rush to judgement on this without knowing all the facts.

I've purchased well over 1k items. I've left 2, maybe 3 negs. If you're going to be that picky (leaving a neg because a $1 card wasn't in a sleeve) then you shouldn't be buying online.

If you do have a legit issue then you need to inform the seller and give him a chance to respond. Telling a seller it looks like a dog chewed the card and then re-listing said card for more money is not a proper way to handle things.

You really think out of all the bad feedback that he has left that this is the first time it was over exaggerated? If he wants BGS 10s he needs to buy BGS 10s.

[yourmyboyblue2]

So when you literally buy over 1,000+ cards and have left less than 1% of all purchases negative or neutral feedback then the buyer has a problem?

What about the seller why aren't they held accountable for their inaccurate descriptions and sloppy shipping practices (card slipping out of top loader in package, no top loader, damaged in shipment, etc)? If you get a card not as described or damaged what would you do?
Sellers won't change their habits/practices unless negative criticism is enforced, that's why eBay has that system in place. What does his feedback history have to do with the original post anyways? Some people here have way too much time on their hands and are quick to rush to judgement on this without knowing all the facts.

1000 purchases @ 1% is 10, he is well over that. I havent given 10 different sellers negative or neutral in well over 1000 transactions. Yes sellers should be held accountable, but it is EXTREMELY unlikely that he has the worst luck ever and a significant # of cards are damaged. On top of the that, the fraud to deceive the sellers, get a refund & keep the cards is ridiculous!

[KevJo]

So when you literally buy over 1,000+ cards and have left less than 1% of all purchases negative or neutral feedback then the buyer has a problem?

What about the seller why aren't they held accountable for their inaccurate descriptions and sloppy shipping practices (card slipping out of top loader in package, no top loader, damaged in shipment, etc)? If you get a card not as described or damaged what would you do?
Sellers won't change their habits/practices unless negative criticism is enforced, that's why eBay has that system in place. What does his feedback history have to do with the original post anyways? Some people here have way too much time on their hands and are quick to rush to judgement on this without knowing all the facts.


Its extreme to me. But I will not disagree with you in that there are a lot of cards not packaged correctly or described correctly. But that doesn't mean I am gonna Neg or Neutral every one of them.

Kevin

[smackvay]

I think it is obvious what is going on here and if you read the whole thread and all of the supporting information its pretty easy to see what is going on here. What is sad is that this isn't going to stop as "nothing wrong is being done" or "im a good dude" So moving forward all you guys can do is block the ebay id if you think its necessary and move forward. It is clear Eliteco hasn't/isn't/won't/or will never change his ways as he has found a loophole in the system to make a nice size profit off of cards. if you get 20% back from the seller and you get a good deal to begin with, then turn around and sell the card for a nice price you have now made bank. Great business model for a crook. If you notice he wont even talk about anything other than how this time it will be made right:eek: Basically you caught me and this one time im not gonna make much money, which is why it seems we are wasteing time out of Mr. Eliteco's day:)!
Am I alone on this?

[allday_vikes]

I think it is obvious what is going on here and if you read the whole thread and all of the supporting information its pretty easy to see what is going on here. What is sad is that this isn't going to stop as "nothing wrong is being done" or "im a good dude" So moving forward all you guys can do is block the ebay id if you think its necessary and move forward. It is clear Eliteco hasn't/isn't/won't/or will never change his ways as he has found a loophole in the system to make a nice size profit off of cards. if you get 20% back from the seller and you get a good deal to begin with, then turn around and sell the card for a nice price you have now made bank. Great business model for a crook. If you notice he wont even talk about anything other than how this time it will be made right:eek: Basically you caught me and this one time im not gonna make much money, which is why it seems we are wasteing time out of Mr. Eliteco's day:)!
Am I alone on this?
You are exactly right my man. He's only sorry cause he got caught. I still want to know how eBay or UPS was able to put in a tracking # for him without him having any knowledge of it.

[bigzig]

You are exactly right my man. He's only sorry cause he got caught. I still want to know how eBay or UPS was able to put in a tracking # for him without him having any knowledge of it.

The only thing I can think of would be that ebay was going to pay for the return...but since he said he didn't want to be out the $2 to ship it back, I don't know.

[ssbledsoe]

I think it is obvious what is going on here and if you read the whole thread and all of the supporting information its pretty easy to see what is going on here. What is sad is that this isn't going to stop as "nothing wrong is being done" or "im a good dude" So moving forward all you guys can do is block the ebay id if you think its necessary and move forward. It is clear Eliteco hasn't/isn't/won't/or will never change his ways as he has found a loophole in the system to make a nice size profit off of cards. if you get 20% back from the seller and you get a good deal to begin with, then turn around and sell the card for a nice price you have now made bank. Great business model for a crook. If you notice he wont even talk about anything other than how this time it will be made right:eek: Basically you caught me and this one time im not gonna make much money, which is why it seems we are wasteing time out of Mr. Eliteco's day:)!
Am I alone on this?

Not in the slightest. There needs to be an explanation for why there was tracking information inputed when the buyer clearly had no intention of returning the card.

[garyg21]

Not in the slightest. There needs to be an explanation for why there was tracking information inputed when the buyer clearly had no intention of returning the card.

Because he filed a complaint.... Which sets up the buyer to ask the seller for a partial refund. Plain as day to see

[smackvay]

Because he filed a complaint.... Which sets up the buyer to ask the seller for a partial refund. Plain as day to see

So ebay/ups pays return shipping on "some" items? is that what your saying?

[MetDude]

So when you literally buy over 1,000+ cards and have left less than 1% of all purchases negative or neutral feedback then the buyer has a problem?

What about the seller why aren't they held accountable for their inaccurate descriptions and sloppy shipping practices (card slipping out of top loader in package, no top loader, damaged in shipment, etc)? If you get a card not as described or damaged what would you do?

What does his feedback history have to do with the original post anyways?

Part 1 - I've had 1 maybe 2 cards arrive having slid out of the toploader that didnt have tape or teambag out of approximately 2000 incoming packages over 5 years. I think there was one occasion where the card was was simply placed in the bubble mailer with no sleeve toploader temabag or any other form of protection. Notice how many others are stating similar experiences.

So lets call it 3 out of 2000 which = .0015% or about 1/7th of 1 %

Part 2 - Depends on the actual damage involved and whether or not said damage qualifies as being below "near mint" which btw = bgs 7

Part 3 - "speaks to character"

The feedback history shows you that this individual has had as many issues with unprotected items in the last month as Ive had in 5 years.
Is that alone possible? sure. But then you see that its not just last month. Its a pattern. The overall rate of issues specific to "card not protected properly" this person is having is at least 10 to 15 times mine, and mine seems to jibe with others experiences.

which leaves you with a few options.

This person is the unluckiest buyer ever.
This persons expectations are way too high
This person is a liar.

So then you factor in what else has occurred here

an unpaid claim had to be filed for the seller to get paid
buyer filed a damage report with no contact
buyer got refund,
buyer sent a fake tracking number for the return item (buyer says it was auto generated - seller has ebay message that says tracking was generated by buyer)
in this thread, buyer states card looks like a dog cheweed on it
Buyer lists the item that hes received a refund for and that is supposedly on way back to seller without describing the same damage he felt he justified in getting a refund for.
in this thread buyer unequivically stated he would not return the item,
but after getting called out, suddenly hes ready to work it out.

Now go back to that feedback and rate of items that arrive unprotected or having slid out of the toploader being astronomically higher than everyone elses.

He walks like a duck, he talks like a duck, he looks like a duck, he smells like a duck, he eats like a duck, he poops like a duck, he swims like a duck, he flies like a duck, he preens his feathers like a duck.
I'm already sure its a duck but lemme go check that feedback.
How bout dat! He also leaves feedback like a duck.

The odds that the buyer is not a duck but actually a blue whale are so remote that we would need Einstein to calculate them. Occams Razor.

[allday_vikes]

Part 1 - I've had 1 maybe 2 cards arrive having slid out of the toploader that didnt have tape or teambag out of approximately 2000 incoming packages over 5 years. I think there was one occasion where the card was was simply placed in the bubble mailer. Notice how many others are stating similar experiences.

So lets call it 3 out of 2000 which = .0015% or about 1/7th of 1 %

Part 2 - Depends on the actual damage involved and whether or not said damage qualifies as being below "near mint" which btw = bgs 7

Part 3 - "speaks to character"

The feedback history shows you that this individual has had as many issues with unprotected items in the last month then Ive had in 5 years.
Is that alone possible? sure. But then you see that its not just last month. Its a pattern. The overall rate of issues specific to "card not protected properly" this person is having is at least 10 to 15 times mine, and mine seems to jibe with others experiences. which leaves you with a few options.
This person is the unluckiest buyer ever.
This persons expectations are way too high
This person is a liar.

So then you factor in what else has occurred here

an unpaid claim had to be filed for the seller to get paid
buyer filed a damage report with no contact
buyer got refund,
buyer sent a fake tracking number for the return item (buyer says it was auto generated - seller has ebay message that says tracking was generated by buyer)
in this thread, buyer states card looks like a dog cheweed on it
Buyer lists the item that hes received a refund for and that is supposedly on way back to seller without describing the same damage he felt he justified in getting a refund for.

in this thread buyer unequivically stated he would not return the item,
but after getting called out, suddenly hes ready to work it out.

Now go back to that feedback and rate of items that arrive unprotected being astronomically higher than everyone else.

He walks like a duck, he talks like a duck, he looks like a duck, he smells like a duck, he eats like a duck, he poops like a duck, he swims like a duck, he flies like a duck, he preens his feathers like a duck AND he also leaves feedback like a duck. The odds that the buyer is not a duck but actually a blue whale are so remote that we would need Einstein to calculate them. Occams Razor.

This is what I'm confused about. In the screenshot, it says, "buyer provided tracking info" so how is that ebay or UPS doing it? Either Eliteco3 is lying or eBay is lying! Could be both! lols

[smackvay]

So we are back at square one Eliteco is a ...............
I better not as I don't want on the naughty list

[Ray27Ray52]

So many of us have known that Eliteco was a POS since the beginning. It's nice to finally have evidence to confirm it for everyone.

[37Jetson]

there is a precedent for this happening, where somebody's actions on ebay got them banned on BO.

i can't remember who though.

Mikecanelliere was the member who got banned (while at the National) because of his fake social inscription autograph that he listed on Ebay.

Eliteco3's complete lack of honesty and remorse make him a good candidate to ban from Blowout before he can screw over somebody else.

[MetDude]

This is what I'm confused about. In the screenshot, it says, "buyer provided tracking info" so how is that ebay or UPS doing it? Either Eliteco3 is lying or eBay is lying! Could be both! lols

Its a moot point considering the buyer clearly stated he wasnt sending it back.
but the
Best way to answer that is to tell you to look at my duck statement.

If you change
"he preens his feathers like a duck" to
"he preens his feathers like a goose"

how much does it change the odds that he is actually a blue whale?

[ssbledsoe]

Because he filed a complaint.... Which sets up the buyer to ask the seller for a partial refund. Plain as day to see

Dude, it clearly states in the screenshot that the buyer (eliteco3) provided the tracking information. Maybe you're the one that needs to read. I mean it's "plain as day"...

[cypher]

I am fairly new to the hobby and buyers like EliteCo are the reason I am scared to death to sell any cards on Ebay.

[smackvay]

Its a moot point considering the buyer clearly stated he wasnt sending it back.
but the
Best way to answer that is to tell you to look at my duck statement.

If you change
"he preens his feathers like a duck" to
"he preens his feathers like a goose"

how much does it change the odds that he is actually a blue whale?

Ok we have it for 12/8/2013 this will be your post of the day winner!!!!!!
Congratulations as this is a highly sought after prize:)!

[bigzig]

So ebay/ups pays return shipping on "some" items? is that what your saying?

Ebay will provide a prepaid label under some circumstances. I don't know exactly what the circumstances are that have to be met, but I have read a few stories over the years where ebay has done this.


Like I said though, IF it was ebay that provided the label then it's pretty hard for eliteco to use the excuse that he didn't want to be out $2 to ship the $100 card back.

Just way to much here that doesn't add up if he's the "good person" he says he is.

[allday_vikes]

Ebay will provide a prepaid label under some circumstances. I don't know exactly what the circumstances are that have to be met, but I have read a few stories over the years where ebay has done this.


Like I said though, IF it was ebay that provided the label then it's pretty hard for eliteco to use the excuse that he didn't want to be out $2 to ship the $100 card back.

Just way to much here that doesn't add up if he's the "good person" he says he is.

Exactly...

[SpastikMooss]

He gone......

[garyg21]

Dude, it clearly states in the screenshot that the buyer (eliteco3) provided the tracking information. Maybe you're the one that needs to read. I mean it's "plain as day"...

You sound like my ex-girlfriend... I'm not going to spend my time explaining how eBay complaints work.

Edit- Looks like bigzig did a few posts above.

[cadillac540]

He gone......

over/under on how long before he tries to come back?

[smackvay]

Banned!!!
Another scumbag bites the dust!!!!!!

[SpastikMooss]

over/under on how long before he tries to come back?

Truth. They always do. I wonder how sidthekid is doing these days

[allday_vikes]

So they actually ban people who scammed on eBay as well. Awesome!

Guess they were just waiting for him and OP to settle the issue before they ban him.

[Ray27Ray52]

The hammer has spoken. What a great day for BO.

[Zacy87]

I knew he was a weirdo from day 1. Sad that he's a weirdo and a scumbag though. Ahhhh well.

[smackvay]

over/under on how long before he tries to come back?

id say blowout already has a new member wanting to be approved as we speak:eek:

[ssbledsoe]

You sound like my ex-girlfriend... I'm not going to spend my time explaining how eBay complaints work.

Edit- Looks like bigzig did a few posts above.

Listen, I was asking a question. You didn't provide any answer that clarified the question. Since I'm not a scammer and don't have to go through ebay disputes, I use my ability to read where it says, "tracking information PROVIDED BY BUYER." Take your snide comments and feel free to stick them up your backside. While you're at it remind me who you are and what you provide to the site? Kthanksbye...

[ssbledsoe]

Ebay will provide a prepaid label under some circumstances. I don't know exactly what the circumstances are that have to be met, but I have read a few stories over the years where ebay has done this.


Like I said though, IF it was ebay that provided the label then it's pretty hard for eliteco to use the excuse that he didn't want to be out $2 to ship the $100 card back.

Just way to much here that doesn't add up if he's the "good person" he says he is.

Thanks for the helpful info. As you said, there still is a lot that doesn't add up. Ohhh well: he gone.

[SpastikMooss]

I'm curious what all those "no toploader/hard case" negatives mean in actuality. Like if we're talking a card that is just in a penny sleeve and nothing else in a bubble mailer...that's pretty silly. But I'm picturing either a penny sleeve in a PWE (since Elitoco seemed to like cheap cards and PWEs), or a few penny sleeved cards in a team bag in a mailer, maybe with some cardboard. Hard to know now I guess.

Regardless, crazy egregious with the negs. I know a while back I mentioned a card I got without a sleeve in a card saver...I gave a positive with barely dinged stars...I feel like that would've been a neg from eliteco.

[37Jetson]

What we don't know is how many people that Eliteco3 blackmailed into price reductions. I believe that he would start trouble any time there was a sliver's chance of claiming shipping damage (top loader not taped, no team bag, etc.).

Now that Eliteco3 has been banned the Unrepentant Bold Faced Liar trophy will make it's way back to South Florida.

[smackvay]

shame of it is their is nothing you can do even if you shipped safely as he can always claim damage.
If someone had the time and energy(yourmyboyblue cough cough)
maybe they could contact ebay via phone and find someone in the fraud dept and explain the whole situation and show them all the evidence

[Jopeal]

You guys act like you just solved the Kennedy Assassination.

In reality nothing has been proven other than that eliteco hands out way too many negative reviews on ebay, but a disliked member has been banned so...

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/international/mission%20accomplished%20banner%2023423423.jpg

[Ray27Ray52]

You guys act like you just solved the Kennedy Assassination.

In reality nothing has been proven other than that eliteco hands out way too many negative reviews on ebay, but a disliked member has been banned so...

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/international/mission%20accomplished%20banner%2023423423.jpg

You may be right, but I can live with it. So yeah, mission accomplished.

[ManInTheMirror]

Yea, I mean this banning does seem.....questionable. As in what did they put down on paper as the reasoning for the banishment?

[37Jetson]

Sorry he did not get the chance to rip you off. I do not understand where you are coming from. Was the case not laid out clearly enough for the most neutral of members to concur that Eliteco3 is a problem?

You guys act like you just solved the Kennedy Assassination.

In reality nothing has been proven other than that eliteco hands out way too many negative reviews on ebay, but a disliked member has been banned so...

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/international/mission%20accomplished%20banner%2023423423.jpg

[Ray27Ray52]

I wish I could have been a fly on the wall when he got hit with the banhammer. I bet his reaction was hilarious.

[natbornkiller]

yea, i mean this banning does seem.....questionable. As in what did they put down on paper as the reasoning for the banishment?

boda must have had more evidence

[ManInTheMirror]

Can we knock out ebacardi2 next? I hear his actions on eBay are just as atrocious.

[Andrew Jones]

Gotta love it when the rats suddenly get nervous. Don't eat the cheese and you won't have to worry about dying.

[Jopeal]

Sorry he did not get the chance to rip you off. I do not understand where you are coming from. Was the case not laid out clearly enough for the most neutral of members to concur that Eliteco3 is a problem?

Yeah, this is exactly what I'm saying. It's not to say that there isn't something to these accusations, but I don't see overwhelming evidence of a scam being run.

From what I see, we have a guy who wasn't well liked to begin with, handed out a lot of negative reviews on ebay and then there's a bunch of speculation about running a terrible low end scam.

I'd love to hear more from the OP (SandersAD) to see his thoughts on the situation.

[SpastikMooss]

Yeah, this is exactly what I'm saying. It's not to say that there isn't something to these accusations, but I don't see overwhelming evidence of a scam being run.

From what I see, we have a guy who wasn't well liked to begin with, handed out a lot of negative reviews on ebay and then there's a bunch of speculation about running a terrible low end scam.

I'd love to hear more from the OP (SandersAD) to see his thoughts on the situation.

He definitely tried to sell a card on Ebay before settling the case on that card. Ban worthy? Eh. But definitely not good practice to sell something from a transaction that isn't even settled yet.

[yourmyboyblue2]

You guys act like you just solved the Kennedy Assassination.

In reality nothing has been proven other than that eliteco hands out way too many negative reviews on ebay, but a disliked member has been banned so...

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/international/mission%20accomplished%20banner%2023423423.jpg

Read below, he proved it with his own words. About the condition, about sending it back, etc. He got caught in his own lies. Feel free to stand for scammers though.

Yea, I mean this banning does seem.....questionable. As in what did they put down on paper as the reasoning for the banishment?

Questionable? Explain that too me. Seems pretty cut and dry. He claimed the card looked like it got chewed on by a dog, his own scan showed different. He filed a NAD to get refunded with every intent on still selling it. He requested a shipping label/tracking number to show he sent with zero intent on actually sending it back.

Gotta love it when the rats suddenly get nervous. Don't eat the cheese and you won't have to worry about dying.

Really makes you wonder doesn't it

[ManInTheMirror]

Forgive my ignorance but what was to be accomplished creating a tracking number while having no intention of actually sending it back? What would be the point of that?

[Ray27Ray52]

Forgive my ignorance but what was to be accomplished creating a tracking number while having no intention of actually sending it back? What would be the point of that?

Stall...Stall...Stall.

[smackvay]

I feel sry for all the future people that have to deal with him on ebay in the future.
That's what really sucks

[yourmyboyblue2]

Yeah, this is exactly what I'm saying. It's not to say that there isn't something to these accusations, but I don't see overwhelming evidence of a scam being run.

From what I see, we have a guy who wasn't well liked to begin with, handed out a lot of negative reviews on ebay and then there's a bunch of speculation about running a terrible low end scam.

I'd love to hear more from the OP (SandersAD) to see his thoughts on the situation.

Realistically, would this have been on anyone's radar if he didn't try to do it to another member? How many times has he pulled this scam? We will probably never know that answer, but the fact is he tried to do it to someone here & got caught. Maybe you would see it in a different light if it happened to you.

[yourmyboyblue2]

Forgive my ignorance but what was to be accomplished creating a tracking number while having no intention of actually sending it back? What would be the point of that?

One of a few options. Send it back if he couldn't profit on it. Send an empty package back or a different card. Not send anything & just provide the tracking number as he did to paypal and win his case. If the OP hadn't been doing his homework and found his 'chewed' card for sale nothing would of came of it. He would of refunded, and got neg'd

[Jopeal]

He definitely tried to sell a card on Ebay before settling the case on that card. Ban worthy? Eh. But definitely not good practice to sell something from a transaction that isn't even settled yet.

I agree, there was some shadiness to the way he handled this transaction.

Realistically, would this have been on anyone's radar if he didn't try to do it to another member? How many times has he pulled this scam? We will probably never know that answer, but the fact is he tried to do it to someone here & got caught. Maybe you would see it in a different light if it happened to you.

I'd just rather hear from the OP, who is involved in the situation rather than a mob of angry 3rd party perspectives.

[37Jetson]

He was scamming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is not a difficult one to figure out because he got caught in his own lies and showed no remorse (wonder where I have seen this act before?).

Forgive my ignorance but what was to be accomplished creating a tracking number while having no intention of actually sending it back? What would be the point of that?

I don't think somebody with 93% feedback should be lecturing long time members who know how to complete transactions in the proper manner. Just saying.

You guys act like you just solved the Kennedy Assassination.

In reality nothing has been proven other than that eliteco hands out way too many negative reviews on ebay, but a disliked member has been banned so...

[Ray27Ray52]

I agree, there was some shadiness to the way he handled this transaction.



I'd just rather hear from the OP, who is involved in the situation rather than a mob of angry 3rd party perspectives.

Your attempt at playing devils advocate is admirable but you are fighting a losing battle here. He was trash and now he is gone. That's the end of the story. BO won't miss him and neither should you.

[SpastikMooss]

I agree, there was some shadiness to the way he handled this transaction.

I'd just rather hear from the OP, who is involved in the situation rather than a mob of angry 3rd party perspectives.

It sounds like OP is happy if you read his posts here, but I also wonder if this was a case where if it hadn't been called out it wouldn't have worked out (definitely speculating here I know). In eliteco's first post he said he would cancel the case because Ebay wouldn't pay to #@#@#@#@ it back, which implies he didn't cancel the case til after the thread started. Now we can't know whether the reason for the cancellation was the Ebay thing or the callout, and so I guess that's where it's hard to call this a scam. In one case he looks legit (if he sends back when he's upset) in the other case he's a scammer (if he only closes the case when the forum knows all about it). Everyone seems quick to jump to #2 given eliteco's interactions on these forums. Personally I felt #2 as well.

[brose61]

I wonder how much he tried to scam BGS for not getting the grades he wanted. Every other sentence out of his mouth was BGS has damaged a few of my cards.

[Jopeal]

I don't think somebody with 93% feedback should be lecturing long time members who know how to complete transactions in the proper manner. Just saying.

I was under the impression that this was an ebay transaction, a place where I've bought and sold for 10 years and have a 100% Feedback.

It's idiotic posts like this that make it difficult to side with you.

[SpastikMooss]

Rethinking it, I know we generally feel bans are saved for truly egregious acts, but shouldn't they also be for guys like this where there isn't fire but there is a lot of smoke? I mean you've got a guy who holds cards back based on time of sale (he sold a Flacco during the Super Bowl and offered a refund after Flacco won MVP to try to get more money), he drops negatives like a baus, some of his Ebay negs point to poor communication, he doesn't communicate well on the forums (lots of disagreements, issues, etc.) and then this Sanders thing.

I don't know that anything is outright bannable of all that...but put together it's certainly a pattern of behavior one doesn't tend to seek in a Blowout transaction partner.

[bigzig]

Can we knock out ebacardi2 next? I hear his actions on eBay are just as atrocious.

Wouldn't that be nice. Ebacardi is 10x worse at least.

[smackvay]

I was under the impression that this was an ebay transaction, a place where I've bought and sold for 10 years and have a 100% Feedback.

It's idiotic posts like this that make it difficult to side with you.

Whats idiotic is the fact you have been "selling on ebay for 10 years and have 100% feedback"(your words not mine)^^^^ you have 231 feedback that is exactly 17.76, lets call it 18 transactions a year and might as well say you have 12 here(one of which is a NEGATIVE:eek:
so im not saying anyone here says your opinion is not important, its just not as valued due to your inexperience and your disrespectful attitude toward senior members(which I don't consider myself a senior for the record)
carry on folks nothing to see here:cool:

[Jopeal]

Whats idiotic is the fact you have been "selling on ebay for 10 years and have 100% feedback"(your words not mine)^^^^ you have 231 feedback that is exactly 17.76, lets call it 18 transactions a year and might as well say you have 12 here(one of which is a NEGATIVE:eek:
so im not saying anyone here says your opinion is not important, its just not as valued due to your inexperience and your disrespectful attitude toward senior members(which I don't consider myself a senior for the record)
carry on folks nothing to see here:cool:

What in gods name is your point?

Respect for a senior member here? You act as though the guy served in the war and I should bow down to him. Give me a break. Some people around here need to get off their high horses.

I show respect to those who show respect to me.

[SandersAD#1]

Okay guys/gals, when he won my auction if he wanted to know the condition, he could have message me for details as I figured most would if they see anything questionable in the picture provided. I had no message from him after or before the auction ended about the condition of the card. I didn't think much about messaging him about payment because I have set the, "unpaid item assistant" to automatically open a case if a buyer doesn't pay within a certain days.

Once the case was opened, I didn't hear anything from buyer even when I had responded to the case. If he had said he didn't want the card anymore, I would have just cancelled the transaction without leaving any negative feedbacks because I don't even want to bother with people who have buyers remorse. I normally just blocked them from future dealings. Like I said, I heard nothing from him and waited until the case was about to be closed before he paid.

A few days later after receiving the item, he opened an, "item not described" case. I told him he can returned it for a full refund. After opening the case and explaining his problem with the item, I heard nothing from him again even after repeated messages to him about sending my item back.

I then escalated the case to a claim so he can send the card back so that I can refund him and move on. Once ebay ruled in his favor, I got a tracking # from him. I waited a few more days to see if there's any activity with the shipping but didn't see anything and so got suspicious. I messaged him repeatedly to see when he will shipped the card back with no responds.

After that, I did a search on eBay and his account for the card and found the listing. I messaged him again about the shipping with no respond. I called eBay and they told me he had ten days to ship the item back to me.

I suspect he wanted to see if he can make a profit on it first and if not, then he'll send it back. I don't even think he would have communicated with me if I didn't' call him out on here. He would have let the listing go until the listing ends to see if he could make a profit on it before either sending it back or closing the case.

Take what you may from this, whether you think he is a scammer or not but as for me, I will not be dealing with him in the future.

[ManInTheMirror]

Okay guys/gals, when he won my auction if he wanted to know the condition, he could have message me for details as I figured most would if they see anything questionable in the picture provided. I had no message from him after or before the auction ended about the condition of the card. I didn't think much about messaging him about payment because I have set the, "unpaid item assistant" to automatically open a case if a buyer doesn't pay within a certain days.

Once the case was opened, I didn't hear anything from buyer even when I had responded to the case. If he had said he didn't want the card anymore, I would have just cancelled the transaction without leaving any negative feedbacks because I don't even want to bother with people who have buyers remorse. I normally just blocked them from future dealings. Like I said, I heard nothing from him and waited until the case was about to be closed before he paid.

A few days later after receiving the item, he opened an, "item not described" case. I told him he can returned it for a full refund. After opening the case and explaining his problem with the item, I heard nothing from him again even after repeated messages to him about sending my item back.

I then escalated the case to a claim so he can send the card back so that I can refund him and move on. Once ebay ruled in his favor, I got a tracking # from him. I waited a few more days to see if there's any activity with the shipping but didn't see anything and so got suspicious. I messaged him repeatedly to see when he will shipped the card back with no responds.

After that, I did a search on eBay and his account for the card and found the listing. I messaged him again about the shipping with no respond. I called eBay and they told me he had ten days to ship the item back to me.

I suspect he wanted to see if he can make a profit on it first and if not, then he'll send it back. I don't even think he would have communicated with me if I didn't' call him out on here. He would have let the listing go until the listing ends to see if he could make a profit on it before either sending it back or closing the case.

Take what you may from this, whether you think he is a scammer or not but as for me, I will not be dealing with him in the future anymore.
There is a member here who basically did the exact same thing, on here. But he was never banned.

[SpastikMooss]

...............

Thanks for the full summing up the full story for those who might not otherwise read it. That's pretty bad Ebaying on his part from start to finish and it feels like you handled it well. Sorry you had to go through it all but glad all ended well for you in the end!

[Jopeal]

OP, thanks for taking the time to explain the situation.

Did you get the impression that kcfutures has made this a common occurrence or that this was a case of buyers remorse?

Also, did he at any point ask for a partial refund (as many have speculated) or was there just a complete lack of contact from his end?

I agree, kcfutures/eliteco handled this situation very poorly.

[SpastikMooss]

Did you get the impression that kcfutures has made this a common occurrence or that this was a case of buyers remorse?

I'm not the OP, but it seems like the only contact here was the opening of the case...so it's hard for OP to judge if this was a common thing or if it was remorse any moreso than you or I. Any judgments we'd have on this would be based on eliteco's comments here, his past Ebay behavior, feedback, etc. since he literally never messaged the seller except for when he opened the claim and had to give a written reason for said claim.

So...I don't think you'll get a good answer to this question is I guess what I'm saying. I am curious how many messages OP sent to eliteco...just out of curiosity. I know I once sent a guy 50 messages before he sent my card lol. It took two and a half months but I finally got it. He was banned from Blowout but for other reasons.

[Ray27Ray52]

I'm not the OP, but it seems like the only contact here was the opening of the case...so it's hard for OP to judge if this was a common thing or if it was remorse any moreso than you or I. Any judgments we'd have on this would be based on eliteco's comments here, his past Ebay behavior, feedback, etc. since he literally never messaged the seller except for when he opened the claim and had to give a written reason for said claim.

So...I don't think you'll get a good answer to this question is I guess what I'm saying. I am curious how many messages OP sent to eliteco...just out of curiosity. I know I once sent a guy 50 messages before he sent my card lol. It took two and a half months but I finally got it. He was banned from Blowout but for other reasons.

This isn't buyers remorse. This was an attempt to scam. I'm not sure why people are attempting to be objective as to his intent. It is pretty cut and dry.

[SandersAD#1]

OP, thanks for taking the time to explain the situation.

Did you get the impression that kcfutures has made this a common occurrence or that this was a case of buyers remorse?

Also, did he at any point ask for a partial refund (as many have speculated) or was there just a complete lack of contact from his end?

I agree, kcfutures/eliteco handled this situation very poorly.

Besides telling eBay about the item not as described, he didn't communicate with me even after repeatedly messaging him through the ebay dispute log. Who knows what would happened if he hadn't been called out. Even if it was buyers remorse, wouldn't you think he would have sent the card back instead of listing it?

I'm not sure if this is a common occurrence with him unless those other sellers who had dealings with him can attest to it as well.

[SpastikMooss]

This isn't buyers remorse. This was an attempt to scam. I'm not sure why people are attempting to be objective as to his intent. It is pretty cut and dry.

I completely agree...I'm just saying to Jopeal that he isn't going to get a satisfactory answer to that question given the way this deal played out. That question is more for us to answer based on the research people have done into eliteco's past Ebay stuff, whether it looks like eliteco has done this before and would again or whether this is one bad incident among many good ones.

I think the forum has resoundingly said that eliteco has shown a pattern of shady dealings and that this looks like a scam, and I agree with that side.

[Jopeal]

I'm not the OP, but it seems like the only contact here was the opening of the case...so it's hard for OP to judge if this was a common thing or if it was remorse any moreso than you or I. Any judgments we'd have on this would be based on eliteco's comments here, his past Ebay behavior, feedback, etc. since he literally never messaged the seller except for when he opened the claim and had to give a written reason for said claim.

So...I don't think you'll get a good answer to this question is I guess what I'm saying. I am curious how many messages OP sent to eliteco...just out of curiosity. I know I once sent a guy 50 messages before he sent my card lol. It took two and a half months but I finally got it. He was banned from Blowout but for other reasons.

That's what I took from his posts as well. I just find it odd that everybody who seems to be up in arms calling this a "scam" have speculated that kcfutures was running a scam where he asks for partial refunds on items, yet there seems to be no evidence of this in this case.

I still think this is a terrible scam attempt if it is indeed a scam, and makes little sense.

[Ray27Ray52]

That's what I took from his posts as well. I just find it odd that everybody who seems to be up in arms calling this a "scam" have speculated that kcfutures was running a scam where he asks for partial refunds on items, yet there seems to be no evidence of this in this case.

I still think this is a terrible scam attempt if it is indeed a scam, and makes little sense.

You are so dense it is beyond comprehension. I would attempt to explain, but anything I would say would go so far over your head it would blast off into the stratosphere.

[Jopeal]

Besides telling eBay about the item not as described, he didn't communicate with me even after repeatedly messaging him through the ebay dispute log. Who knows what would happened if he hadn't been called out. Even if it was buyers remorse, wouldn't you think he would have sent the card back instead of listing it?

I'm not sure if this is a common occurrence with him unless those other sellers who had dealings with him can attest to it as well.

I find the way he handled the situation very odd and part of me would've liked to see how things would have transpired had you not made this thread.

I think you did the right thing given that he was being impossible to deal with and am glad that things worked out for you in the end.

[Jopeal]

You are so dense it is beyond comprehension. I would attempt to explain, but anything I would say would go so far over your head it would blast off into the stratosphere.

Give me a break with that crap RayRay. Anybody on the football forums calling me dense is laughable.

[SandersAD#1]

Once again, I just wanted to thank this community for helping me out with this issue. Once I get home, I'll do a little contest for a few freebies for my gratitude to all those who had responded in this thread.

[Ray27Ray52]

Give me a break with that crap RayRay. Anybody on the football forums calling me dense is laughable.

That makes so much sense. I just keep scratching my head at your amazing naivete. You really can't see the forest for the trees here.

[37Jetson]

C'mon man.....


Eliteco3 bought and received card
Eliteco3 Claimed damage to seller saying it looked like a dog ate it
Eliteco3 files Ebay claim
Eliteco3 lists same card for sale at higher price with no mention of damage
Eliteco3 uploads fake DC that he was returning card (why the card remains for sale this is important to note)
Seller starts thread and lays out situation
Eliteco3 starts backpedaling and changing story. Comes up with BS story that the DC was automatically generated
BODA posts his feedback history which shows a clear history of scamming and douchebaggery
Eliteco3 relents and cancels his claim to purchase the card that the dog supposedly ate
Eliteco3 acts like nothing happened


Tell us again that there is no evidence.

That's what I took from his posts as well. I just find it odd that everybody who seems to be up in arms calling this a "scam" have speculated that kcfutures was running a scam where he asks for partial refunds on items, yet there seems to be no evidence of this in this case.

I still think this is a terrible scam attempt if it is indeed a scam, and makes little sense.

[Jopeal]

That makes so much sense. I just keep scratching my head at your amazing naivete. You really can't see the forest for the trees here.

I have no problems with you RayRay. You remind of that guy Drunk Uncle from SNL.
Do you recall the first post I made on this site, and how you were quick to label me a scammer? It's people's willingness to label people before they know the information that I try to see things from the opposite perspective.

Again, I've never said that eliteco wasn't a scammer. I just feel that word is thrown around way too loosely.

[Ray27Ray52]

I have no problems with you RayRay. You remind of that guy Drunk Uncle from SNL.
Do you recall the first post I made on this site, and how you were quick to label me a scammer? It's people's willingness to label people before they know the information that I try to see things from the opposite perspective.

Again, I've never said that eliteco wasn't a scammer. I just feel that word is thrown around way too loosely.

I don't remember labeling you a scammer at all. I do remember pegging you as not all that bright. My perception has not changed as new evidence presents itself.

[SpastikMooss]

That's what I took from his posts as well. I just find it odd that everybody who seems to be up in arms calling this a "scam" have speculated that kcfutures was running a scam where he asks for partial refunds on items, yet there seems to be no evidence of this in this case.

I still think this is a terrible scam attempt if it is indeed a scam, and makes little sense.

A lot of the speculation has to do with people being here longer than you, for better or worse. Full disclosure, when I was still relatively (still longer than you haha) new here, I came across some shilling threads of a big time Ebay seller and for some reason, decided there wasn't enough evidence to say the seller shilled (still not 100% sure it is since shilling is so hard to prove). I argued against vets forever and ever (for months) and was always on the losing side. And while that specific case may not have been provable, the seller in question has committed all sorts of other shady things and so at the end of the day it was like someone had killed 500 people in a bombing and I was arguing it was only 499 because one of the guys really might have been killed by a heart attack.

I get that this specific case of eliteco and asanders, for you, isn't open and shut scamming (I'm argue it is but again, it's something I've read about before on this forum and seen done so I might jump to that conclusion more quickly than you). But given the Ebay feedback, given the Flacco refund, given stuff like that...where there's smoke there's probably fire.

[37Jetson]

What word do you propose that we use instead? If the shoe fits....

I just feel that word is thrown around way too loosely.

[Jopeal]

Tell us again that there is no evidence.

If you had bothered to actually read my short post, I stated that there was:

No evidence that eliteco asked for a partial refund

I think he handled this situation terribly perhaps on purpose, but I have yet to see the evidence that shows that eliteco regularly files claims asking for partial refunds, while keeping the cards.

Again, I'm not defending the guy. I'm more so trying to explain that there isn't any substantial proof that this guy is involved in some elaborate scam.

The entire thing seems very petty, but people are treating the situation as though they've busted a criminal mastermind.

[37Jetson]

You are missing the point!!!!

Asking for a partial refund is irrelevant. Eliteco3 filed a claim against the seller and tried to sell the card. When required to send back the card he uploaded a fake DC.

Why do you refuse to understand this?



If you had bothered to actually read my short post, I stated that there was:

No evidence that eliteco asked for a partial refund

I think he handled this situation terribly perhaps on purpose, but I have yet to see the evidence that shows that eliteco regularly files claims asking for partial refunds, while keeping the cards.

Again, I'm not defending the guy. I'm more so trying to explain that there isn't any substantial proof that this guy is involved in some elaborate scam.

The entire thing seems very petty, but people are treating the situation as though they've busted a criminal mastermind.

[Jopeal]

I don't remember labeling you a scammer at all. I do remember pegging you as not all that bright. My perception has not changed as new evidence presents itself.

Ok RayRay. Continue to think what you will. All evidence in the real world suggests that I'm an intelligent person. I'm not going to argue you on that point.

I stand by my statement that I have no problem with you and you remind me of Drunk Uncle from SNL.

[SpastikMooss]

If you had bothered to actually read my short post, I stated that there was:

No evidence that eliteco asked for a partial refund

I think he handled this situation terribly perhaps on purpose, but I have yet to see the evidence that shows that eliteco regularly files claims asking for partial refunds, while keeping the cards.

Again, I'm not defending the guy. I'm more so trying to explain that there isn't any substantial proof that this guy is involved in some elaborate scam.

The entire thing seems very petty, but people are treating the situation as though they've busted a criminal mastermind.

Read my thing above...I agree that there's no proof he asked for a partial refund, but you're nitpicking and missing the bigger picture. Also he put in a claim for the full refund so a partial wouldn't really be related here.

If you're here longer, and you meet more guys who, even if they aren't outright scammers, show shady behavior that borders on scamming, you'll understand why guys like those in this thread are so happy when they're gone. Maybe we celebrate like we solved JFK's assassination, but it's a great feeling when there's one less shady dealer on these boards. You don't feel it yet (IMHO) because you haven't been here long enough to see the devastation a guy can cause when he's given too big a leash.

[Ray27Ray52]

Ok RayRay. Continue to think what you will. All evidence in the real world suggests that I'm an intelligent person. I'm not going to argue you on that point.

I stand by my statement that I have no problem with you and you remind me of Drunk Uncle from SNL.

Are you a lawyer? Do you play one on tv? If the answer to one or the other is no I will be shocked.

[SandersAD#1]

Read my thing above...I agree that there's no proof he asked for a partial refund, but you're nitpicking and missing the bigger picture. Also he put in a claim for the full refund so a partial wouldn't really be related here.

If you're here longer, and you meet more guys who, even if they aren't outright scammers, show shady behavior that borders on scamming, you'll understand why guys like those in this thread are so happy when they're gone. Maybe we celebrate like we solved JFK's assassination, but it's a great feeling when there's one less shady dealer on these boards. You don't feel it yet (IMHO) because you haven't been here long enough to see the devastation a guy can cause when he's given too big a leash.

He missed the days of the infamous Haiku who forever changed BO member's mentality.

[DannyShakes]

Good god guys. Stop being a bully to Jopeal.

[Jopeal]

You are missing the point!!!!

Asking for a partial refund is irrelevant. Eliteco3 filed a claim against the seller and tried to sell the card. When required to send back the card he uploaded a fake DC.

Why do you refuse to understand this?

I understand that. To me it comes across as a very poorly conceived plan.

You are either missing the point of or choosing to dismiss everything I say.

I'm not arguing anymore since all of the anger directed toward eliteco is now being put on me since he's no longer here to take the abuse.

[Jopeal]

Read my thing above...I agree that there's no proof he asked for a partial refund, but you're nitpicking and missing the bigger picture. Also he put in a claim for the full refund so a partial wouldn't really be related here.

If you're here longer, and you meet more guys who, even if they aren't outright scammers, show shady behavior that borders on scamming, you'll understand why guys like those in this thread are so happy when they're gone. Maybe we celebrate like we solved JFK's assassination, but it's a great feeling when there's one less shady dealer on these boards. You don't feel it yet (IMHO) because you haven't been here long enough to see the devastation a guy can cause when he's given too big a leash.

I hear what you're saying, and maybe I am nitpicking. I just feel that people are throwing wild accusations around until something sticks.
I don't know eliteco, but from what I've seen from his posts on the football boards here he's shown far more respect than most people so perhaps I was naive in giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Good god guys. Stop being a bully to Jopeal.

I'd appreciate this if it weren't coming from you.

[37Jetson]

Are you drunk?

I hear what you're saying, and maybe I am nitpicking. I just feel that people are throwing wild accusations around until something sticks.
I don't know eliteco, but from what I've seen from his posts on the football boards here he's shown far more respect than most people so perhaps I was naive in giving him the benefit of the doubt.

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[smackvay]

Are you a lawyer? Do you play one on tv? If the answer to one or the other is no I will be shocked.

Ray, buddy you are wasting your time talking to Mr jopeal
He has it figured out:)!
One day when we grow up and get smart maybe we can continue this conversation:eek:

[Jopeal]

Are you drunk?

I don't know what to say. Eliteco was always cordial to me, where as you and most others posting in this thread come across as condescending jerks.

[Ray27Ray52]

Ray, buddy you are wasting your time talking to Mr jopeal
He has it figured out:)!
One day when we grow up and get smart maybe we can continue this conversation:eek:

You're right. I'll head back to the kids table with my nephew. I guess it's ok. We always get served first so the adults can eat in peace. :p

[Jopeal]

Ray, buddy you are wasting your time talking to Mr jopeal
He has it figured out:)!
One day when we grow up and get smart maybe we can continue this conversation:eek:

This is exactly the type of wise ass, sarcastic crap that I can't stand.

[37Jetson]

I was expecting hiccup, hiccup, anybody got a cup of coffee? Are we out of Malt Liquor again?

I don't know what to say.

[SpastikMooss]

He missed the days of the infamous Haiku who forever changed BO member's mentality.

Amen!

This is exactly the type of wise ass, sarcastic crap that I can't stand.

And that's Blowout. You're always gonna see some of that around here. It's def not for everyone.

[cruiserdaddy7]

You are missing the point!!!!

Asking for a partial refund is irrelevant. Eliteco3 filed a claim against the seller and tried to sell the card. When required to send back the card he uploaded a fake DC.

Why do you refuse to understand this?

And if that doesn't sum things up I dont know what will.

[DannyShakes]

I'd appreciate this if it weren't coming from you.

http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww145/sweettooth36/crying-waterfalls_zps9da3423e.gif (http://s714.photobucket.com/user/sweettooth36/media/crying-waterfalls_zps9da3423e.gif.html)

[xbignick]

Jopeal's posts......

[Jopeal]

As long as this is helping brighten your pathetic lives, please keep piling it on fellas.

[DannyShakes]

As long as this is helping brighten your pathetic lives, please keep piling it on fellas.

This brighten's my pathetic life.

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/member-sales-trade-feedback/585276-my-1st-neg-feedback-need-opinions.html

[Jopeal]

This brighten's my pathetic life.

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/member-sales-trade-feedback/585276-my-1st-neg-feedback-need-opinions.html

Lol, you got me there. Notice the similarities between that thread and this one. I offer a differing opinion from the norm and basically get the angry mob treatment.

[Ray27Ray52]

This brighten's my pathetic life.

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/member-sales-trade-feedback/585276-my-1st-neg-feedback-need-opinions.html

Man, I totally forgot about that thread. I was hilarious in it.

Lol, you got me there. Notice the similarities between that thread and this one. I offer a differing opinion from the norm and basically get the angry mob treatment.
You keep on dealing with "opinion" while others deal with facts. Isn't there a fence somewhere you should be riding?

[smackvay]

Lol, you got me there. Notice the similarities between that thread and this one. I offer a differing opinion from the norm and basically get the angry mob treatment.

Ha because you are an arrogant A.. H... and your poop smells like a dozen of red roses.

[smackvay]

Man, I totally forgot about that thread. I was hilarious in it.

I didn't want to bring it up as Mr Jopeal would think ive directed my "mob mentalitiy" toward him since eliteco is gone. I don't want the guy that has called people names and talked trash to the only guy that took up for him to be upset:D

[ssbledsoe]

You're right. I'll head back to the kids table with my nephew. I guess it's ok. We always get served first so the adults can eat in peace. :p

Ray, it's cool. He's "Dr." Jopeal...

[Ray27Ray52]

I didn't want to bring it up as Mr Jopeal would think ive directed my "mob mentalitiy" toward him since eliteco is gone. I don't want the guy that has called people names and talked trash to the only guy that took up for him to be upset:D
The guy is just totally oblivious to reality. It's like he just wants to debate to have something to do. Which is why I asked him if he was a lawyer.
Ray, it's cool. He's "Dr." Jopeal...

He's a Dr.? Is he some really important doctor like a plastic surgeon? Or just a boring doctor like Ben Carson or something?

[ssbledsoe]

The guy is just totally oblivious to reality. It's like he just wants to debate to have something to do. Which is why I asked him if he was a lawyer.


He's a Dr.? Is he some really important doctor like a plastic surgeon? Or just a boring doctor like Ben Carson or something?

It's his eBay handle. So, I'm guessing he's an eBay doctor?

[corndog]

As long as this is helping brighten your pathetic lives, please keep piling it on fellas.

Jopeal, I don't have any reason to criticize you and won't do it. While I am new on Blowout forums, I am not new to the buying and selling of sportscards and the retail business. I have dealt with many thousands of people on ebay for 14 years and it doesn't take long to notice patterns from individuals. I will usually give first timers the benefit of the doubt. Once a pattern is shown, the smell of a rat becomes evident. Whether it is the selling of counterfeit cards, forged autographs or those who attempt to make false claims - once a pattern has formed, the evidence it there and undeniable. I have been fortunate enough to have been able to work with a few select ebay employees over the years that understand patterns from dishonest sellers and buyers. When given the compiled evidence, they made the quick decision of shutting down bad sellers and buyers.

Eliteco had patterns that crossed the line of coincidence. It was in plain sight and easy to pick up on. Even doing something as simple as having 17 bid retractions is still a pattern of dishonesty that crosses a line of being an honest mistake.

Please understand that there are many longtime buyers and sellers who have seen this before. What Eliteco was doing on ebay is nothing new under the sun.

[Ray27Ray52]

It's his eBay handle. So, I'm guessing he's an eBay doctor?

Either that or he enjoys the cool refreshing beverage known as Dr Pepper.

[lagalaxyfan23]

eliteco3 will always go down as a Blowout legend. He was the only Vick lover in the world to flip-flop. Inspirational.

[ssbledsoe]

Either that or he enjoys the cool refreshing beverage known as Dr Pepper.

I enjoy dr pepper!

[xbignick]

Lol, you got me there. Notice the similarities between that thread and this one. I offer a differing opinion from the norm and basically get the angry mob treatment.

Seems you enjoy playing contrarian/devil's advocate in the face of facts.