Rank 'em: Montana, Manning, Brady, Unitas, Elway

[davidsemo]

Seems that the general consensus is these are the top 5. Using the handy dandy pro-football-reference.com, here are their career totals. Obviously counting stats only take you so far, especially when comparing three different generations, but still, good for objectivity.

Manning:
Games: 239/ Record: 166-73/ Comp:5507 Att: 8424 Comp%: 65.4/Yds: 64698/ TD: 487/ INT: 219/ QB Rating (of 158.3) 97.0

Montana:
164 117-47 3409 5391 63.2 40551 273 139 92.3

Brady:
176 147-43 4164 6562 63.5 49027 358 133 95.8

Elway:
231 148-82 4123 7250 56.9 51475 300 226 79.9

Unitas:
186 118-64-4 2830 5186 54.6 40239 290 253 78.2

[fjrock8]

1.tim tebow
2.mark sanchez
3.tim couch
4.jeff George
5.trent dilfer

[freethrowtommy]

Montana is number 1... that is all I have to say about that.

[RedSoxFan28]

Of the QBs listed:
1. Montana
2. Brady
3. Manning
4. Unitas
5. Elway

[Jopeal]

Favre should be in there if Peyton is.

Montana....


....other QBs.

[TheFrenzy]

1. Manning
2. Montana
3. Elway
4. Unitas

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5. ............
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[GoJays]

1. Brady
2. Montana
3. Unitas
4. Manning
5. Elway

[BreesCollector]

1. Manning
2. Montana
3. Brady
4. Elway
5. Unitas

[blevins26]

1. Unitas--you have to give a heavy weighting to the era he played in where defenses got away with so much more (both inside the rules and outside)

2. Brady--3 SB's to 1 SB put him above Manning. If Manning wins the big one this year, that will really tilt the discussion in my opinion.

3. Manning--most impressive regular season stats, just hasn't backed it up with playoff success

4. Elway--2 SB wins and he probably did more with less around him than Montana which is why I give him the spot

5. Montana--great QB but let's be realistic--he had the all-time best WR, arguable the all-time best offensive mind, plus a great supporting cast at RB, FB, TE, and o-line

[Jsturino]

From this list
1. Montana
2. Brady
3. Elway
4. Unitas
5. Manning

[Patsfan]

1. Brady
2. Montana
3. Manning
4. Elway
5. Unitas

[Jopeal]

Regular season
1. Peyton Manning

Playoffs
5. Peyton Manning

[MarshallCutler6]

1. Montana
At a distant 2. Brady
3. Manning
4. Elway
5. Unitas

[Jsturino]

I'm always confused why Peyton is anointed the best regular season QB ever. Just looking at the above numbers (assuming they're correct).

To start and Most importantly Brady's win% is much much higher.

Brady has played 63 fewer games.

Brady TD per game 2.03
Manning TD per game 2.04

Brady Int per game .75
Manning Int per game .92

Brady TD-Int Ratio 2.70
Manning TD-Int Ratio 2.22

Brady Yards per game 278
Manning Yards per game 271

Point is I think when people throw around best regular season QB it shouldn't be a slam dunk for Manning. Yes Manning has "higher totals" but he has played longer and Brady will close this gap. Unlike most New England fans I don't hate Peyton at all and hope we square off in the AFC championship game, would be great!

[Running Back]

1. Montana
2. Manning
3. Unitas
4. Eli Manning
5. Tom Brady

Eli beat Brady twice in a big game so I gotta go with Brady Killer at number 4

[Running Back]

1. Montana
2. Manning
3. Unitas
4. Eli Manning
5. Tom Brady

Eli beat Brady twice in a big game so I gotta go with Brady Killer at number 4

[RedSoxFan28]

1. Montana
2. Manning
3. Unitas
4. Eli Manning
5. Tom Brady

Eli beat Brady twice in a big game so I gotta go with Brady Killer at number 4

1. Montana
2. Manning
3. Unitas
4. Eli Manning
5. Tom Brady

Eli beat Brady twice in a big game so I gotta go with Brady Killer at number 4
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[VikingsAllDay]

1) Manning
2) Montana
3) Unitas
4) Brady
5) Elway

[Running Back]

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hahahahahaha

It's true it's true.. Haha

[lb_sa]

1. Manning
2. Montana
3. Brady
4. Unitas
5. Elway

[MarshallCutler6]

1. Montana
2. Manning
3. Unitas
4. Eli Manning
5. Tom Brady

Eli beat Brady twice in a big game so I gotta go with Brady Killer at number 4

C'mon man.

[Running Back]

How do some people here rank Brady over Montana.. Now that's too much.

[ninjacookies]

It's Montana...


then everyone else.

[gamer4l1fe]

Eli might be the luckiest player in the history of the NFL to have 2 Superbowls because he's really looked rather crappy the last year and a half in all honesty.

[Cades]

Montana
Brady
Manning
Unitas
Elway

[gamer4l1fe]

Montana is the best ever plain and simple. He got it done when it mattered most in the playoffs. Regular season has to be taken into consideration, but playoffs are where you create your legacy not pad your stats.

[CP3toOKC]

1.tim tebow
2.mark sanchez
3.tim couch
4.jeff George
5.trent dilfer

Where's Jamarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf?! If they don't make this list then no one does.

[Chiefs2011]

Montana then everyone else. You are crazy if you put Manning above Montana or Brady

[Chiefs2011]

Where's Jamarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf?! If they don't make this list then no one does.

Agreed. Jay Cutler er I mean Jeff George was a decent pro. Andre Ware goes on that list somewhere too.

[ssbledsoe]

1. Montana
2. Manning
3. Unitas
4. Eli Manning
5. Tom Brady

Eli beat Brady twice in a big game so I gotta go with Brady Killer at number 4

By that thought, Brady should be ranked above Manning since Brady has a 2-1 lead on Manning in the playoffs. So, either you're trolling or stupid. EDIT: I missed an option: both.

My list:
Montana
Brady
Manning
Unitas
Elway
Quite frankly, I think you could jumble numbers 2-5 and it wouldn't really make a difference IMO.

[freethrowtommy]

By that thought, Brady should be ranked above Manning since Brady has a 2-1 lead on Manning in the playoffs. So, either you're trolling or stupid. EDIT: I missed an option: both.

My list:
Montana
Brady
Manning
Unitas
Elway
Quite frankly, I think you could jumble numbers 2-5 and it wouldn't really make a difference IMO.

I agree with this the most, I think. After Montana, start flipping coins.

[titletowncards]

Montana
Unitas
Brady
Manning
Elway
others; Favre, Starr, Staubach, Bradshaw, Marino and eventually Rodgers and you can't foget about Foles.

[corndog]

1. Sammy Baugh
2. Otto Graham
3. Sid Luckman
4. Y.A. Tittle
5. Bobby Layne

[RITM]

1. Sammy Baugh
2. Otto Graham
3. Sid Luckman
4. Y.A. Tittle
5. Bobby Layne

I was wondering if the names Baugh or Graham would come up. You went the extra mile. Obviously age plays a factor when folks start ranking. At the end of the day, you simply cannot compare quarterbacks from different eras. If you are even in the discussion, you have had a great career.

[Running Back]

By that thought, Brady should be ranked above Manning since Brady has a 2-1 lead on Manning in the playoffs. So, either you're trolling or stupid. EDIT: I missed an option: both.

My list:
Montana
Brady
Manning
Unitas
Elway
Quite frankly, I think you could jumble numbers 2-5 and it wouldn't really make a difference IMO.

Don't call me Stupid. Your account can be suspended for name calling. And yes Eli is the Brady killer.

[PocketPool]

1. T. Brady
2. J Montana
3. J. Elway
4. D. Marino
5. P. Manning

The deciding factor in my rankings are 1st, who has been around in my lifetime, 2nd, who these qb's have had for weapons to work with, with added value to those whom have had less to work with over the longhaul. 3rd, the eye test of course.

[MarshallCutler6]

Don't call me Stupid. Your account can be suspended for name calling. And yes Eli is the Brady killer.

Don't say stupid things, and you won't be called stupid. Saying Eli manning is a top 5 QB of all time is both ridiculous, and, you guessed it, stupid.

[Running Back]

Don't say stupid things, and you won't be called stupid. Saying Eli manning is a top 5 QB of all time is both ridiculous, and, you guessed it, stupid.

I hope there reading this.. Suspend his account be fair..

[wingah]

I see someone came back from there suspension a little upset.





Don't feed the trolls people.

[Running Back]

Whatever Throw your Gronk cards in the trash.. There penny cards now

[PocketPool]

I hope there reading this.. Suspend his account be fair..

+1. This is opinions right....who the h... are you to judge Marshall...Nice profile pic. Better check yo self!

Anthony Rizzo Statistics and History - Baseball-Reference.com (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rizzoan01.shtml)
Bryce Harper Statistics and History - Baseball-Reference.com (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/harpebr03.shtml)

It is they're to be correct however. If your gonna rant atleast speel correctly.

[HBMC]

Don't call me Stupid. Your account can be suspended for name calling. And yes Eli is the Brady killer.

Eli is Romo with more jewelry thanks to his Defense and a couple of ridiculous Catches in the Super Bowl.

Eli Manning is a lot like Ken Stabler, he will probably will be in the HOF, but not because of his passing prowess. Even Kenny isn't in and he should be.

[Running Back]

+1. This is opinions right....who the h... are you to judge Marshall...Nice profile pic. Better check yo self!

Anthony Rizzo Statistics and History - Baseball-Reference.com (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rizzoan01.shtml)
Bryce Harper Statistics and History - Baseball-Reference.com (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/harpebr03.shtml)

Your a lucky guy

[MarshallCutler6]

I hope there reading this.. Suspend his account be fair..

You can report me using the report post button on the bottom left corner, you may also report me by contacting a mod about my actions.

[mrmojorisin71]

1.tim tebow
2.mark sanchez
3.tim couch
4.jeff George
5.trent dilfer


whoa...whoa there buddy. I think Jamarcus Russell, Tim Couch, Blaine Gabbert, Heather Shuler, and Akili Smith have a little something about that list :)!

[ssbledsoe]

Don't call me Stupid. Your account can be suspended for name calling. And yes Eli is the Brady killer.

Well, you didn't deny being either, so I'm guessing you're just trolling. Brady > Peyton by your logic. Right dumb dumb :flex:

[marinocollector]

I love lists that rank Unitas over Marino. You know who doesn't rank Unitas over Marino? Yep, Don Shula. That guy MIGHT know a thing or two message boards do not.

[davidsemo]

I just want to throw this out there, that even generationally, montana's playoff numbers are insane and better than manning and brady.

Montana: 460/734, 5772 yds, 45td/21ints, 62.7 comp%, 95.6 rating (23 games)
Manning: 481/761 , 5679 yds, 32td/21ints, 63.21 comp%, 88.4 rating (20 games)
Brady: 553/887, 5949 yds, 42td/22in, 62.34 comp%, 87.4 rating (24 games)

[Kingofkings1281]

Montana
Brady
Unitas
Manning
Elway

I can't fathom someone putting Manning in front of Brady, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

[Kingofkings1281]

Your a lucky guy

Nice to have you back, Eli. You'll have plenty of spare time during the playoffs to argue about football.

[LordLansdowne]

Stats don't tell the whole story when you go against era's. The Colts with Unitas and Broncos with Elway ran a decent amount. Not these Nintendo stats.

Unitas played in an entirely different league. Defenses could tee off. Brady or Manning get a decent hit and the flag comes out. Rules are now too tilted towards the offense.

I'd take Elway over anybody. Biased Broncos fan, but it's the truth. Elway should have gotten Dan Reeves fired much sooner. None out of the five took bad teams to the Super Bowl like Elway. He carried the Broncos. Montana was a great, but he was playing around multiple Hall of Famers.

Elway had two HOFERS - Shannon Sharpe who didn't break out until 93 or 94 and Gary Zimmerman from 93-97.

Three Super Bowl appearances with the likes of Sammy Winder, Bobby Humphrey, Mark Jackson, and a rotating bunch of garbage at TE. Put Elway on the Redskins, Giants, or 49ers of that era and he has 3 Super Bowls by 1993.

[aliceinpains]

1. Elway
2. Montana
3. Unitas
4. Manning
5. Bradshaw

[wingah]

1. Elway
2. Montana
3. Unitas
4. Manning
5. Bradshaw

This guy :rolleyes:

[ajlaxmn]

Man these comparing threads are getting old. Especially when people compare Super Bowls, and Playoff success, and wins. The only TRUE way to compare somebody is to put them on the same team with the same players and same coaches, and see the results. Unlikely. No one player wins a SB, maybe they put together a great drive in that SB to win the game which is huge, but to be in that game is a result of a collective team effort. Montana and Marino played at a time where penalties didn't favor the offense so much. Manning never had good defenses, not league worsts, but not really that great. Brady has had one of the best coaches to ever coach, Bill the hoodie is one of the best coaches this game has to have seen. So many intangibles, people can have their opinions, but that's all they can really ever amount to.

[lionsfan20]

LMAO @ all the people who have Montana at lower than #1. The only people who don't have Montana as #1 on this list are the people who were too young to watch him play. That is just funny. The rest of the list could be put in any order and debated but anybody who was alive in the 80's knows Montana is #1 and it is not even close.

[davidsemo]

I think Terrell Davis was pretty F-ing great in those two superbowl years:)!

Showing my bias, I think Elway is vastly overrated. Didn't EVER throw over 30tds in a season and (i think) only had 2 or 3 seasons with a completion percentage over 60%. He carried his team a lot to a certain extent, but the two superbowl wins were almost entirely because he had Terrell Davis running the ball.

Over the course of his career, Elway didn't put up that good of numbers even in the playoffs. In the SB against GB he played really sh!tty. Threw a pick, no TDs. Just his rush TD that everyone remembers. Terrell Davis had 3tds and ran for 150. His last year the had an abortion of a game against the jets and they won because of TD and the Defense, but people only remember him "leading" the team.

Stats don't tell the whole story when you go against era's. The Colts with Unitas and Broncos with Elway ran a decent amount. Not these Nintendo stats.

Unitas played in an entirely different league. Defenses could tee off. Brady or Manning get a decent hit and the flag comes out. Rules are now too tilted towards the offense.

I'd take Elway over anybody. Biased Broncos fan, but it's the truth. Elway should have gotten Dan Reeves fired much sooner. None out of the five took bad teams to the Super Bowl like Elway. He carried the Broncos. Montana was a great, but he was playing around multiple Hall of Famers.

Elway had two HOFERS - Shannon Sharpe who didn't break out until 93 or 94 and Gary Zimmerman from 93-97.

Three Super Bowl appearances with the likes of Sammy Winder, Bobby Humphrey, Mark Jackson, and a rotating bunch of garbage at TE. Put Elway on the Redskins, Giants, or 49ers of that era and he has 3 Super Bowls by 1993.

[aliceinpains]

LMAO @ all the people who have Montana at lower than #1. The only people who don't have Montana as #1 on this list are the people who were too young to watch him play. That is just funny. The rest of the list could be put in any order and debated but anybody who was alive in the 80's knows Montana is #1 and it is not even close.

Opinions are subjective. One thing is for sure is that it is impossible to rate QB's because of the different era's they all played. If Montana played in the 60's and 70's, he wouldn't have had the same stats.

[bigzig]

Your a lucky guy

*you're.....

[BamBam22]

LMAO @ all the people who have Montana at lower than #1. The only people who don't have Montana as #1 on this list are the people who were too young to watch him play. That is just funny. The rest of the list could be put in any order and debated but anybody who was alive in the 80's knows Montana is #1 and it is not even close.


This is Fact.

[corndog]

LMAO @ all the people who have Montana at lower than #1. The only people who don't have Montana as #1 on this list are the people who were too young to watch him play. That is just funny. The rest of the list could be put in any order and debated but anybody who was alive in the 80's knows Montana is #1 and it is not even close.

Put Montana on the Lions, Buccaneers or Oilers in the 1980's and he is probably not even in the Hall of Fame. Most "great" quarterbacks were benefitted by being on a great team.

And yes, I was very much alive in the '80's. IMO there is no clearcut "best ever QB" due to the team sport aspect and era differences of football.

[wingah]

Merry Christmas Eve to everyone!

[ssbledsoe]

*you're.....

Be careful. This formerly banned member will tell the mods if you point out his mistakes or idiotic posts.

[wingah]

Be careful. This formerly banned member will tell the mods if you point out his mistakes or idiotic posts.


I have a feeling the mods wont pay him much attention. He hasn't done much but cause problems and stir stuff up since he joined.

[ssbledsoe]

I have a feeling the mods wont pay him much attention. He hasn't done much but cause problems and stir stuff up since he joined.

Agreed. I don't think the mods are going to listen to someone who willfully goes around trolling and asking to be informed of his idiocy.

[rats60]

1. Unitas--you have to give a heavy weighting to the era he played in where defenses got away with so much more (both inside the rules and outside)

2. Brady--3 SB's to 1 SB put him above Manning. If Manning wins the big one this year, that will really tilt the discussion in my opinion.

3. Manning--most impressive regular season stats, just hasn't backed it up with playoff success

4. Elway--2 SB wins and he probably did more with less around him than Montana which is why I give him the spot

5. Montana--great QB but let's be realistic--he had the all-time best WR, arguable the all-time best offensive mind, plus a great supporting cast at RB, FB, TE, and o-line

I agree with a lot of this, but my list would be slightly different.

1 Unitas
2 Manning
3 Brady
4 Montana
5 Elway

Manning/Brady aren't done yet. I think Manning gets another one this year, we'll see. I don't give Brady much credit for the first one. Vinatieri beat the Raiders, Bledsoe beat the Steelers, the defense shutdown the Rams in the SB. These two could flip based on what they do in the future.

Montana/Elway. Montana did win 2 without Jerry Rice, but I'd dock Montana for not winning more with the player I feel is the greatest football player of all time. Elway couldn't win until he had T. Davis.

[ssbledsoe]

I agree with a lot of this, but my list would be slightly different.

1 Unitas
2 Manning
3 Brady
4 Montana
5 Elway

Manning/Brady aren't done yet. I think Manning gets another one this year, we'll see. I don't give Brady much credit for the first one. Vinatieri beat the Raiders, Bledsoe beat the Steelers, the defense shutdown the Rams in the SB. These two could flip based on what they do in the future.

Montana/Elway. Montana did win 2 without Jerry Rice, but I'd dock Montana for not winning more with the player I feel is the greatest football player of all time. Elway couldn't win until he had T. Davis.

BLEDSOE!!!! Finally someone else remembers Bledsoe beating the Steelers. People look at me crazy when I bring that up?!

[wingah]

BLEDSOE!!!! Finally someone else remembers Bledsoe beating the Steelers. People look at me crazy when I bring that up?!

LOL....Bledsoe was my favorite player as a kid growing up. Took me 3 years and 2 super bowls to finally come around to Brady. However now seeing their careers it is clear who is head and shoulders above the other. Bledsoe still had a special lil spot in my heart though lol

[aliceinpains]

Montana
Brady
Unitas
Manning
Elway

I can't fathom someone putting Manning in front of Brady, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Brady only won titles when they were the cheatriots.

[56LightsOut56]

1.Otto Graham
126 105-17-4 2626-1464 55.8 23,584 174-135 86.6....44 rushing TD's and 10 Championship games in 10 seasons with 7 Wins
2. Brady
3. Montana
4. Manning
5. Elway

[SandersAD#1]

Moon
Marino
Manning (peyton)
ARodgers
Brady
Cunningham
Tarkenton

[pickle86]

its funny to see some of you jitterbugs are not able to know how special johnny u actually was.

[bigzig]

Be careful. This formerly banned member will tell the mods if you point out his mistakes or idiotic posts.

I just hope I don't sound like that much of a tool bag when I go on my Manning rants.

[RITM]

The only TRUE way to compare somebody is to put them on the same team with the same players and same coaches, and see the results.

Matt Cassel agrees.

[noah1323]

peyton manning is the #1 QB of all time montana had the most stacked teams when he played its not like manning carried the colts to 14-2 seasons for what 12 years? lol so heres the list


#1 Manning no one plays the game better then him
#2Brady ( he has done with no name WRs then anyone else)
#3 Otto Graham idk how u leave the man that palyd 10 seasons and went to the championship 10 times thats amazing stuff
#4 montana just cuz the super bowls bradshaw is tied here cuz of super bowls
#5 Elway another guy with a stacked team
#6 Dan manrino GREAT QB till the play offs =P
Unitas i dont know much about him but i have heard of him this is the real list right here

[ajlaxmn]

Matt Cassel agrees.

And again, that shows how great Billy the Hood is as a coach. No I'm not taking anything from Brady. Just can't tell without shipping Manning over to the Pats for a year, or Brady to the Donkeys.

[wingah]

Matt Cassel agrees.

Cassel 11-5 Misses playoffs
Brady 16-0 Goes to super bowl

[ssbledsoe]

I just hope I don't sound like that much of a tool bag when I go on my Manning rants.

You don't sound anything like that. I put you in the 88horsepower (Reasonable colts fans) column where you argue your side reasonably and without being a Richard.
On the other, hand I know I can sound like a Richard :)

[popmaz]

Unitas
Montana
Brady
Manning
Elway
__________________

[RedSoxFan28]

Cassel 11-5 Misses playoffs
Brady 16-0 Goes to super bowl

Cassel is actually credited for 10-5, Brady went 1-0. :)!

[jumbogorilla]

montana / unitas / brady or manning or elway

[RITM]

Cassel 11-5 Misses playoffs
Brady 16-0 Goes to super bowl

While true, it is worth noting that the Patriots of 2008 were the first 11 win team to fail to qualify for the 12 team playoff.

[sevenwings]

At how people rate Manning and Brady so high,
Elway, Marino and Montana were all better QB's than either of them
And They played during an era of defense were players could actually hit and grabbing and pulling were a given not a penalty, I rank Elway number 1 because he had the most talent and usually played for bad teams that he single handed brought them to the Super Bowl something Montana with the Chiefs and Marino with the Dolphins really never did

[Wolves4Life]

Brady



Montana
Elway
Manning
Unitas

[jumbogorilla]

superbowl wins are overrated. eli won two. flacco won one. you need to look at the season as a whole to determine who is the best.

[Running Back]

superbowl wins are overrated. eli won two. flacco won one. you need to look at the season as a whole to determine who is the best.

Very True on that one

[Running Back]

New List

1. Drew Bledsoe
2. Tom Brady
3. Ben Roethleisberger
4. Phil Simms
5. Trent Dilfer

Had to go with Bledsoe with number one for the fact that he didn't Cry when Brady took his spot. Instead he said go out there and "Sling It". Yup Sling it for me cause the coach things I suck. Great class Bledsoe..

[Running Back]

Man these comparing threads are getting old. Especially when people compare Super Bowls, and Playoff success, and wins. The only TRUE way to compare somebody is to put them on the same team with the same players and same coaches, and see the results. Unlikely. No one player wins a SB, maybe they put together a great drive in that SB to win the game which is huge, but to be in that game is a result of a collective team effort. Montana and Marino played at a time where penalties didn't favor the offense so much. Manning never had good defenses, not league worsts, but not really that great. Brady has had one of the best coaches to ever coach, Bill the hoodie is one of the best coaches this game has to have seen. So many intangibles, people can have their opinions, but that's all they can really ever amount to.

This is a Great point. Can the Brady nuthuggers please keep reading this. But hey High Five me for this point. Haha

[ssbledsoe]

New List

1. Drew Bledsoe
2. Tom Brady
3. Ben Roethleisberger
4. Phil Simms
5. Trent Dilfer

Had to go with Bledsoe with number one for the fact that he didn't Cry when Brady took his spot. Instead he said go out there and "Sling It". Yup Sling it for me cause the coach things I suck. Great class Bledsoe..

Awwwww, looks like somebody knocked some smarts into you :eek:

[Running Back]

Awwwww, looks like somebody knocked some smarts into you :eek:

High Five me... Haha... Great class Bledsoe I can "Fling It" for you

[ssbledsoe]

High Five me... Haha... Great class Bledsoe I can "Fling It" for you

:flex: :)! :special: :p

[Hardcore]

We are very lucky to be around to watch the QBs that we are seeing..ie Brady Manning et al..
Just Win... people can say that for certain years you have less talent around you... true.. but overall the talent around you part kinda balances out over time.... most receivers are able to hang onto the ball... how well can you get it in their hands on a consistent basis... some exceptions for freak talents of course... being able to get open or just fly past DBs..
Winning Percentage QBs with over 100 wins..

Brady .774 .... thats insane

Montana .713... Brady has 30 more wins and less losses and did not have a receiver named Jerry Rice. Their coaches even out.

Manning .695
Bradshaw .677
Unitas .645
Elway .643
Favre .624
Marino .613


Any QB that wins 60% of their games and stays around long enough to win 100 games prob should go to the HOF....

If Brady can stay close to 80% over such a lengthy career.... that is the most amazing stat bar none.... just look at all of the others percentages.. all so great for sure...
I have enjoyed watching them all.. we are lucky that we get to watch them all these years.

[56LightsOut56]

We are very lucky to be around to watch the QBs that we are seeing..ie Brady Manning et al..
Just Win... people can say that for certain years you have less talent around you... true.. but overall the talent around you part kinda balances out over time.... most receivers are able to hang onto the ball... how well can you get it in their hands on a consistent basis... some exceptions for freak talents of course... being able to get open or just fly past DBs..
Winning Percentage QBs with over 100 wins..

Brady .774 .... thats insane

Montana .713... Brady has 30 more wins and less losses and did not have a receiver named Jerry Rice. Their coaches even out.

Manning .695
Bradshaw .677
Unitas .645
Elway .643
Favre .624
Marino .613


Any QB that wins 60% of their games and stays around long enough to win 100 games prob should go to the HOF....

If Brady can stay close to 80% over such a lengthy career.... that is the most amazing stat bar none.... just look at all of the others percentages.. all so great for sure...
I have enjoyed watching them all.. we are lucky that we get to watch them all these years.

Otto Graham .814 for the win. :devil:

[ilovethelakings]

peyton manning is the #1 QB of all time montana had the most stacked teams when he played its not like manning carried the colts to 14-2 seasons for what 12 years? lol so heres the list


#1 Manning no one plays the game better then him
#2Brady ( he has done with no name WRs then anyone else)
#3 Otto Graham idk how u leave the man that palyd 10 seasons and went to the championship 10 times thats amazing stuff
#4 montana just cuz the super bowls bradshaw is tied here cuz of super bowls
#5 Elway another guy with a stacked team
#6 Dan manrino GREAT QB till the play offs =P
Unitas i dont know much about him but i have heard of him this is the real list right here

2 meny erers in dis post 2 took it seriusly. idk y lol smh hahahahaha

Montana or Graham is the correct answer.

[FreeMan12406]

http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/231/729/bf8/resized/brady-hater-meme-generator-haters-gonna-hate-f513d9.jpg?1335481740.jpg

[RedSoxFan28]

We are very lucky to be around to watch the QBs that we are seeing..ie Brady Manning et al..
Just Win... people can say that for certain years you have less talent around you... true.. but overall the talent around you part kinda balances out over time.... most receivers are able to hang onto the ball... how well can you get it in their hands on a consistent basis... some exceptions for freak talents of course... being able to get open or just fly past DBs..
Winning Percentage QBs with over 100 wins..

Brady .774 .... thats insane

Montana .713... Brady has 30 more wins and less losses and did not have a receiver named Jerry Rice. Their coaches even out.

Manning .695
Bradshaw .677
Unitas .645
Elway .643
Favre .624
Marino .613


Any QB that wins 60% of their games and stays around long enough to win 100 games prob should go to the HOF....

If Brady can stay close to 80% over such a lengthy career.... that is the most amazing stat bar none.... just look at all of the others percentages.. all so great for sure...
I have enjoyed watching them all.. we are lucky that we get to watch them all these years.

Otto Graham .814 for the win. :devil:
*WITH ATLEAST 100 WINS

Brady is also the QB in NFL history to have 100+ wins over .500

[groundsupport]

How many home divsional playoff games has Peyton lost being the 1 or 2 seed?

[Chaddie84]

Using just the names in your list:

1. Montana




2. Manning
3. Brady





4. Unitas
5. Elway

[bballcollector]

If Manning can't win a SB with the Broncos I think his legacy will take a hit. If Marino played in this era of offense he could EASILY throw for 60 TDs.

[ravensgc_5]

Montana
Brady
Unitas
Manning
Elway

[freethrowtommy]

http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/231/729/bf8/resized/brady-hater-meme-generator-haters-gonna-hate-f513d9.jpg?1335481740.jpg

This is JUST as bad as the "Brady haters"...

Every LITTLE thing is perceived as "Brady hating"

Whiners gonna whine.

[88horsepower]

You don't sound anything like that. I put you in the 88horsepower (Reasonable colts fans) column where you argue your side reasonably and without being a Richard.
On the other, hand I know I can sound like a Richard :)

In the words of John Amos from Die Hard 2...Oh, I'm a Richard. I'm just your kind of Richard. ;):D

[FreeMan12406]

This is JUST as bad as the "Brady haters"...

Every LITTLE thing is perceived as "Brady hating"

Whiners gonna whine.

http://redsoxmaniac.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/tom-brady-lord-of-the-rings.jpg

[freethrowtommy]

http://redsoxmaniac.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/tom-brady-lord-of-the-rings.jpg

False...

http://i.walmartimages.com/i/mp/MP/10/00/00/75/MP10000075017_P255075_500X500.jpg

[Kefka891]

1. Tom Brady (EASILY NOT EVEN CLOSE)
2. JOE MONTANA (EASILY)
3. PEYTON MANNING (EASILY)
4. DREW BREES (EASILY)
5. DAN MARINO (EASILY)

/thread

[freethrowtommy]

1. Tom Brady (EASILY NOT EVEN CLOSE)
2. JOE MONTANA (EASILY)
3. PEYTON MANNING (EASILY)
4. DREW BREES (EASILY)
5. DAN MARINO (EASILY)

/thread

NO!

No /thread. Can we get insta-bans for anyone who uses /thread?

[ssbledsoe]

NO!

No /thread. Can we get insta-bans for anyone who uses /thread?

Merry Christmas Scrooge :)
/thread

[Tones]

1 Montana
2 Brady
3 Manning
4 Unitas
5 Elway

[bigzig]

In the words of John Amos from Die Hard 2...Oh, I'm a Richard. I'm just your kind of Richard. ;):D

Ha! I read that too quick and was like "John Stamos" was in Die Hard 2 before full house?!?" :D:special::special::special:

[rats60]

LMAO @ all the people who have Montana at lower than #1. The only people who don't have Montana as #1 on this list are the people who were too young to watch him play. That is just funny. The rest of the list could be put in any order and debated but anybody who was alive in the 80's knows Montana is #1 and it is not even close.

LMAO@you and everyone who has Montana #1. I saw all these guys play and Unitas was better than the other four and it is not close.

I saw Montana live several times including Super Bowl 24 and vs Deion Sanders. I never saw Jerry Rice covered. Since you think Montana is so great, how is it he didn't win more than 2 SBs with Rice? How is it that he doesn't own every QB record? My opinion is that Jerry Rice is the greatest FB player ever and Joe Montana is the most overrated. Rice won 3 SBs, Montana 2. Rice made Tampa Bay reject Steve Young into a Hof QB. Rice made Steve Bono look like an all pro. Put Rice with any other top QB and they would have done as well or better than Montana.

[squigsmx31]

1. Unitas
2. Brady
3. Montana
4. Manning
5. Elway

[nera20]

1) Tom Brady
2) Joe Montana
3) Peyton Manning
4) Brett Favre
5) John Elway
6) Johnny Unitas
7) Terry Bradshaw
8) Steve Young
9) Drew Brees
10) Bart Starr
11) Fran Tarkenton
12) Dan Fouts
13) Aaron Rodgers
14) Jim Kelly
15) Warren Moon
16) Kurt Warner

Thought I would make a little longer list

[FreeMan12406]

Manning has a losing record in the playoffs. He isn't better than Brady let alone the others.

[corndog]

Manning has a losing record in the playoffs. He isn't better than Brady let alone the others.

Trent Dilfer has a higher playoff winning percentage than Tom Brady.
Dilfer is clearly a better quarterback than Tom Brady.

:)

[FreeMan12406]

Trent Dilfer has a higher playoff winning percentage than Tom Brady.
Dilfer is clearly a better quarterback than Tom Brady.

:)

Can you tell me how many playoff games each played in? Kthxbye. And after that ill just add you to ignore.

[Jopeal]

LMAO@you and everyone who has Montana #1. I saw all these guys play and Unitas was better than the other four and it is not close.

I saw Montana live several times including Super Bowl 24 and vs Deion Sanders. I never saw Jerry Rice covered. Since you think Montana is so great, how is it he didn't win more than 2 SBs with Rice? How is it that he doesn't own every QB record? My opinion is that Jerry Rice is the greatest FB player ever and Joe Montana is the most overrated. Rice won 3 SBs, Montana 2. Rice made Tampa Bay reject Steve Young into a Hof QB. Rice made Steve Bono look like an all pro. Put Rice with any other top QB and they would have done as well or better than Montana.

Most days I would ruthlessly attack somebody for making a post like this but.....

MERRY CHRISTMAS

[88horsepower]

Trent Dilfer has a higher playoff winning percentage than Tom Brady.
Dilfer is clearly a better quarterback than Tom Brady.

:)

Bazinga!!!

And Mark Sanchez has a higher quarterback rating in the postseason (minimum 5 games) than Brady, Manning and Aikman. He's clearly better, too. :p:rolleyes:

[bigzig]

Manning has a losing record in the playoffs. He isn't better than Brady let alone the others.

Did you take the time to read coureymarshall's post regarding Peyton's playoff losses and the defenses he had to deal with (or lack there of)? The QB can only do so much. At some point the defense has to make a stand. The one year the Colts D did make a stand was the year they won the SB.

Brady isn't automatically better just because he has more playoff wins.

[freethrowtommy]

Merry Christmas Scrooge :)
/thread

*Grumble grumble grumble*

Damn kids... get off my lawn!

[noah1323]

you fail cuz you dont even have otto graham on your list

1) Tom Brady
2) Joe Montana
3) Peyton Manning
4) Brett Favre
5) John Elway
6) Johnny Unitas
7) Terry Bradshaw
8) Steve Young
9) Drew Brees
10) Bart Starr
11) Fran Tarkenton
12) Dan Fouts
13) Aaron Rodgers
14) Jim Kelly
15) Warren Moon
16) Kurt Warner

Thought I would make a little longer list

[RITM]

Did you take the time to read coureymarshall's post regarding Peyton's playoff losses and the defenses he had to deal with (or lack there of)? The QB can only do so much. At some point the defense has to make a stand. The one year the Colts D did make a stand was the year they won the SB.

Brady isn't automatically better just because he has more playoff wins.

Like several other playoff games, the loss to the Jets had a story. Late in the game, Manning drives Indy down the field and Indy takes the lead on a FG. The special teams gives up a huge return and the Jets win on a last second field goal. If the Indy special teams unit or defense makes a play we talk about the greatness of Manning driving down the field to get Indy the win. Instead, we look at the W/L column without knowing the story and tag Peyton with the loss. I will never forget Bob Costas wrapping up the coverage after the game. He pointed out the playoff W/L records for Manning and Sanchez and talked about how Mark was superior in the playoffs. Both QBs completed the same amount of passes and Manning threw for more yards, more TD passes, and had no interceptions. However, Mark clearly had a better game. Funny how that works.

Where is Terry Bradshaw in this discussion? He has 4 rings.

[FreeMan12406]

Did you take the time to read coureymarshall's post regarding Peyton's playoff losses and the defenses he had to deal with (or lack there of)? The QB can only do so much. At some point the defense has to make a stand. The one year the Colts D did make a stand was the year they won the SB.

Brady isn't automatically better just because he has more playoff wins.

I love how we are comparing ONE POSITION and when it comes to Manning, it's always well his defense or this or that. We are discussing the best QBs. Quit making excuses for a guy who lost more than he won in the playoffs.

[freethrowtommy]

I love how we are comparing ONE POSITION and when it comes to Manning, it's always well his defense or this or that. We are discussing the best QBs. Quit making excuses for a guy who lost more than he won in the playoffs.

So Montana is the best.

4 Rings, Zero SB Losses

Brady only has 3 and has lost 2.

Niners had a dominate overall team so that shouldn't matter in this thread like others who have put Brady on top said, right?

[corndog]

So Montana is the best.

4 Rings, Zero SB Losses

Brady only has 3 and has lost 2.

Niners had a dominate overall team so that shouldn't matter in this thread like others who have put Brady on top said, right?

You forgot about Terry Bradshaw! He is a 4 ringer as well. :)!

[freethrowtommy]

You forgot about Terry Bradshaw! He is a 4 ringer as well. :)!

I like Terry as well :)

[88horsepower]

I love how we are comparing ONE POSITION and when it comes to Manning, it's always well his defense or this or that. We are discussing the best QBs. Quit making excuses for a guy who lost more than he won in the playoffs.

And then there are people who fail to look deeper than statistics like wins and losses. Don't get me wrong, Manning had some ridiculously bad playoff games like the 41-0 loss to the Jets in 2002. However, there are also games like the loss to the Jets in 2010, the loss to the Chargers in 2007, the loss to the Chargers in 2008 and the loss to the Ravens in 2012 - all games in which Manning did a very solid job and his defense/special teams let him down.

Heck, lets even take a good look at the Super Bowl loss to the Saints. If Pierre Garcon doesn't drop an easy pass over the middle, he scores and the Colts go up 17-0. Manning has 2 TD passes and 0 interceptions at that point. If Hank Baskett doesn't completely botch an onside kick recovery, are we talking about Manning ONLY winning one Super Bowl? If Garcon catches that easy TD pass are we even talking about the onside kick? How about the ridiculous 50+ yard FG that Coach Jim Caldwell asks a 40+ year-old Matt Stover to kick. Instead of punting and pinning the Saints deep, Caldwell goes for an insanely low percentage kick and essentially gives the hot Saints offense the ball at mid-field. Is that Manning's fault? Is it his fault that Garcon drops an easy TD or that Baskett fails to recover an onside kick? No. But, since you only look at wins and losses the game is obviously Manning's fault and thus contributes to his legacy as a one-time Super Bowl champ instead of a 2-time champ like John Elway or his brother, Eli. It's a cheap-shot to look only at wins and losses when it's clear you didn't watch the games that led to those numbers.

I may love Manning, but I call it like it is. He is not the reason the Colts only won one Super Bowl. He is, however, THE BIGGEST REASON the Colts were even contenders every year he was their quarterback. One of the reasons Manning is great is because he, like Elway and Marino before him, helped less than mediocre teams contend every single year. When Marino played, you could easily point to wins and losses in the postseason to judge his career. However, name one player in the Hall of Fame besides Dwight Stephenson, who played any significant amount of time with Marino during his career? Anyone? Exactly. You can't. That's just another reason why Marino was a stud. He made average teams look amazing until they got exposed in the playoffs when most teams are amazing. Manning did the same thing. He took average teams to contention every year and often lost when the team played another team that was either coached better or had more talent or a combination of both. That's hardly Manning's fault.

So, next time someone wants to take a player like Manning or Marino and count their legacy's greatness by the number of rings they have or don't have, try to look a little deeper than that. Numbers and rings don't always tell the whole story. In fact, they hardly tell the story at all.

[RITM]

And then there are people who fail to look deeper than statistics like wins and losses. Don't get me wrong, Manning had some ridiculously bad playoff games like the 41-0 loss to the Jets in 2002. However, there are also games like the loss to the Jets in 2010, the loss to the Chargers in 2007, the loss to the Chargers in 2008 and the loss to the Ravens in 2012 - all games in which Manning did a very solid job and his defense/special teams let him down.

Heck, lets even take a good look at the Super Bowl loss to the Saints. If Pierre Garcon doesn't drop an easy pass over the middle, he scores and the Colts go up 17-0. Manning has 2 TD passes and 0 interceptions at that point. If Hank Baskett doesn't completely botch an onside kick recovery, are we talking about Manning ONLY winning one Super Bowl? If Garcon catches that easy TD pass are we even talking about the onside kick? How about the ridiculous 50+ yard FG that Coach Jim Caldwell asks a 40+ year-old Matt Stover to kick. Instead of punting and pinning the Saints deep, Caldwell goes for an insanely low percentage kick and essentially gives the hot Saints offense the ball at mid-field. Is that Manning's fault? Is it his fault that Garcon drops an easy TD or that Baskett fails to recover an onside kick? No. But, since you only look at wins and losses the game is obviously Manning's fault and thus contributes to his legacy as a one-time Super Bowl champ instead of a 2-time champ like John Elway or his brother, Eli. It's a cheap-shot to look only at wins and losses when it's clear you didn't watch the games that led to those numbers.

I may love Manning, but I call it like it is. He is not the reason the Colts only won one Super Bowl. He is, however, THE BIGGEST REASON the Colts were even contenders every year he was their quarterback. One of the reasons Manning is great is because he, like Elway and Marino before him, helped less than mediocre teams contend every single year. When Marino played, you could easily point to wins and losses in the postseason to judge his career. However, name one player in the Hall of Fame besides Dwight Stephenson, who played any significant amount of time with Marino during his career? Anyone? Exactly. You can't. That's just another reason why Marino was a stud. He made average teams look amazing until they got exposed in the playoffs when most teams are amazing. Manning did the same thing. He took average teams to contention every year and often lost when the team played another team that was either coached better or had more talent or a combination of both. That's hardly Manning's fault.

So, next time someone wants to take a player like Manning or Marino and count their legacy's greatness by the number of rings they have or don't have, try to look a little deeper than that. Numbers and rings don't always tell the whole story. In fact, they hardly tell the story at all.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

THIS

[Cades]

And then there are people who fail to look deeper than statistics like wins and losses. Don't get me wrong, Manning had some ridiculously bad playoff games like the 41-0 loss to the Jets in 2002. However, there are also games like the loss to the Jets in 2010, the loss to the Chargers in 2007, the loss to the Chargers in 2008 and the loss to the Ravens in 2012 - all games in which Manning did a very solid job and his defense/special teams let him down.

Heck, lets even take a good look at the Super Bowl loss to the Saints. If Pierre Garcon doesn't drop an easy pass over the middle, he scores and the Colts go up 17-0. Manning has 2 TD passes and 0 interceptions at that point. If Hank Baskett doesn't completely botch an onside kick recovery, are we talking about Manning ONLY winning one Super Bowl? If Garcon catches that easy TD pass are we even talking about the onside kick? How about the ridiculous 50+ yard FG that Coach Jim Caldwell asks a 40+ year-old Matt Stover to kick. Instead of punting and pinning the Saints deep, Caldwell goes for an insanely low percentage kick and essentially gives the hot Saints offense the ball at mid-field. Is that Manning's fault? Is it his fault that Garcon drops an easy TD or that Baskett fails to recover an onside kick? No. But, since you only look at wins and losses the game is obviously Manning's fault and thus contributes to his legacy as a one-time Super Bowl champ instead of a 2-time champ like John Elway or his brother, Eli. It's a cheap-shot to look only at wins and losses when it's clear you didn't watch the games that led to those numbers.

I may love Manning, but I call it like it is. He is not the reason the Colts only won one Super Bowl. He is, however, THE BIGGEST REASON the Colts were even contenders every year he was their quarterback. One of the reasons Manning is great is because he, like Elway and Marino before him, helped less than mediocre teams contend every single year. When Marino played, you could easily point to wins and losses in the postseason to judge his career. However, name one player in the Hall of Fame besides Dwight Stephenson, who played any significant amount of time with Marino during his career? Anyone? Exactly. You can't. That's just another reason why Marino was a stud. He made average teams look amazing until they got exposed in the playoffs when most teams are amazing. Manning did the same thing. He took average teams to contention every year and often lost when the team played another team that was either coached better or had more talent or a combination of both. That's hardly Manning's fault.

So, next time someone wants to take a player like Manning or Marino and count their legacy's greatness by the number of rings they have or don't have, try to look a little deeper than that. Numbers and rings don't always tell the whole story. In fact, they hardly tell the story at all.

Too bad ifs and buts don't mean anything.

If the pats defenders don't drop an int and the luckiest play of all time doesn't happen. 19-0. Number 4.

If welker catches a more than catchable ball and manningham doesn't make a ridiculous sideline catch. 5-0.

[RITM]

I would also like to throw some love for Bart Starr in case he is browsing the forums tonight. His postseason numbers are incredible.

[bigzig]

I love how we are comparing ONE POSITION and when it comes to Manning, it's always well his defense or this or that. We are discussing the best QBs. Quit making excuses for a guy who lost more than he won in the playoffs.

How the hell is that any different than you saying Brady is the better QB because he has a better playoff record? He sure as hell didn't win them on his own.:rolleyes:

[bigzig]

Too bad ifs and buts don't mean anything.

If the pats defenders don't drop an int and the luckiest play of all time doesn't happen. 19-0. Number 4.

If welker catches a more than catchable ball and manningham doesn't make a ridiculous sideline catch. 5-0.

And if Vinatieri doesn't kick those FGs then Brady only has one ring. Works both ways and that's exactly why you can't judge the QB by rings alone.

[Cades]

And if Vinatieri doesn't kick those FGs then Brady only has one ring. Works both ways and that's exactly why you can't judge the QB by rings alone.

If brady doesn't drive them into fg range, a fg can't be kicked

[bigzig]

If brady doesn't drive them into fg range, a fg can't be kicked

If Brady had thrown another TD earlier in the game he wouldn't have been so pressured in the few seconds......If he's so awesome and won them all by himself then why did he have to make a last second drive?

Manning made the drives. Manning put his team in position to win. DST couldn't hold. How does that make Brady better?

[Cades]

If the defense let up less points, they wouldn't have to

What ifs are fun huh

[bigzig]

If the defense let up less points, they wouldn't have to

What ifs are fun huh

We could go on and on with what if's. That's why rings aren't the end of the discussion. That's my only point here.

[FreeMan12406]

Manning is Brady's water boy.

[88horsepower]

Too bad ifs and buts don't mean anything.

If the pats defenders don't drop an int and the luckiest play of all time doesn't happen. 19-0. Number 4.

If welker catches a more than catchable ball and manningham doesn't make a ridiculous sideline catch. 5-0.

The very argument you're using actually serves to prove my point even further about how postseason wins and losses can't be measured by the raw data alone. There are many factors involved with those wins and losses that cannot be chalked up to the quarterback's play alone. This is why it is asinine for people to compare legacies based on the raw data without factoring in the more complex pieces of information that tell the story more accurately.

[Cades]

Data doesn't matter anyways, people will have differering opinions even if brady was 5-0 in the Superbowl and still say he sucks.

Obviously the people saying SB wins are the only thing that matters are trolling, but winning games (postseason or otherwise) is still the overall most important thing.

Mannings 2005? (or 2004) season was statistically better than brady's 2007 and this 2013 season, but nobody gives a rats ass because they got stomped in the playoffs, without even reaching the SB.

[Chaddie84]

Whom would you rather have at quarterback heading into the postseason? - Sportsnation - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=frontpage&pollId=4115695)

[88horsepower]

Data doesn't matter anyways, people will have differering opinions even if brady was 5-0 in the Superbowl and still say he sucks.

Obviously the people saying SB wins are the only thing that matters are trolling, but winning games (postseason or otherwise) is still the overall most important thing.

Mannings 2005? (or 2004) season was statistically better than brady's 2007 and this 2013 season, but nobody gives a rats ass because they got stomped in the playoffs, without even reaching the SB.

There is a place and usefulness for data so long as it is not taken out of context. Raw data is rarely used in proper context because the statistics do not tell the full story regarding any one particular player. That's why wins and losses are team statistics. Teams win and lose as teams. A great example of this from a hypothetical standpoint is the 1995 Super Bowl between the Steelers and Cowboys.

Everyone who watched that game remembers the Larry Brown interception of Neil O'Donnell. The reason I say "hypothetical" is because nobody for certain knows if receiver Andre Hastings ran the wrong route on that pick-six. However, there is a contingency of people who believe that Hastings ran the wrong route by turning inside instead of outside on the ill-fated pass. So, lets just say that Hastings did run the wrong route and O'Donnell never made light of that situation in order to protect Hastings and not throw him under the bus, which is certainly a possibility.

As it stands, O'Donnell's legacy as a quarterback is that he is a choker and threw one of the worst passes in Super Bowl history that led to the Steelers losing the game. It's brutally unfair, even more so if Hastings did indeed run the wrong route. Steeler Wideout Ernie Mills shredded his knee on the previous possession. Say Mills doesn't exit the game early and backup wideout Hastings doesn't see the field. Perhaps the errant pass is completed for a first down and O’Donnell leads the Steelers to the biggest comeback win in Super Bowl history. O'Donnell earns Super Bowl MVP honors and become a megastar.

Tom Brady's legacy is chock full of these moments where stats don't tell the whole story. The tuck rule doesn't show up on any stat sheet, yet the ridiculous rule that even some Patriot fans admit is silly led to the Patriots winning a game against the Raiders in the Divisional round of the 2001 playoffs. Perhaps the Raiders win that game and the Patriot mystique never gets the chance to come to fruition. Perhaps the Rams win the Super Bowl that year and Kurt Warner becomes a 2-time Super Bowl champion. The Wes Welker drop does show up on stat sheets, but the statistics only serve to show that Brady threw an incomplete pass which would lead one to believe he threw a bad pass if someone didn't look past the stats and recognize that it was his receiver that erred. Stats cannot be used to tell every tale. Legacies, unfortunately, are made mostly by stats alone instead of viewing the countless intangibles that don't show up on the stat sheet.

[rondog2001]

Montana #1

Others you can mix and match

[SaveMeTheGum]

Unitas
Brady
Montana
Elway
Manning

I'm a Pats fan, but Unitas was the Wilt Chamberlain of football. He was decades ahead of his time, and for QB's in the current era to be still breaking his records is ridiculous. I give the slight edge in the Brady/Montana debate to Brady. I can't say a negative thing about Montana, but he did have the GREATEST WR in football history for most of his career. And he was dumped by the 49ers (similar to the Colts dumping Manning). I can't see that happening to the greatest ever. Elway had 5 SB appearances. Manning or Favre are interchangeable for me. Both incredible regular season QB's, both have 1 SB and a long list of post-season failures (for different reasons).

[ToppsCollector1]

1 Unitas
2 Montana
3 Manning
4 Elway
5 Brady

[clocsta2323]

I really do think I would rather have Manning over the other proposed QBs.

[bigzig]

Manning is Brady's water boy.

Thanks for the expert analysis. You have swayed my opinion.

[phinzphan1372]

Any thread talking about the top 5 greatest qb's that does NOT have marino being atleast #5 if bull-crap...... learn some football.

[aliceinpains]

Any thread talking about the top 5 greatest qb's that does NOT have marino being atleast #5 if bull-crap...... learn some football.

He was awesome in the regular season.

[Kingofkings1281]

1 Unitas
2 Montana
3 Manning
4 Elway
5 Brady

Everyone has an opinion, but Elway above Brady? No.

[phinzphan1372]

He was awesome in the regular season.

Is hostettler or dilfer better than marino because they won a super bowl? Think not!

Toooo much valu placed on SB victories in a Team Game.....


Ask your self this question..... would you rather have Aikmen (without his unbelievable supporting cast) or Moon speaking from a QB standpoint .... not a team standpoint.


Need to judge QB's on actual play ... not how the WHOLE team played.

Crap .... You need to include Moon in the top 5 too!

[56LightsOut56]

*WITH ATLEAST 100 WINS

Brady is also the QB in NFL history to have 100+ wins over .500

Otto Graham 105(regular season) wins for the win again??

[aliceinpains]

Is hostettler or dilfer better than marino because they won a super bowl? Think not!



Marino had a lot more chances in the playoffs than Dilfer or Hostettler. But he was not a great QB in the postseason. Big stats in the regular season is great, but its what you do in postseason that counts. Everyone remembers a winner. No one remembers a loser. Its the reason why Namath is in the hall of fame.

[rats60]

Otto Graham 105(regular season) wins for the win again??

NFL. Otto Graham 58-13-1, 3 Championships.

[freethrowtommy]

Bart Starr
16 Seasons
5 NFL Championships
2 Super Bowls

Baller?

Before I get jumped on... I am kidding.

[FreeMan12406]

I love how Manning fans scream its a team game, or write 19 page thesis papers on why it's this or that. If its a team game, then there is no such thing as the best qb. If we want to fantasize about the beat qb, then its about individual stats, wins, superbowls. And thats that. Manning fans hate this because if we use that, it will show a great regular season qb and a mediocre at best post season qb.

[88horsepower]

I love how Manning fans scream its a team game, or write 19 page thesis papers on why it's this or that. If its a team game, then there is no such thing as the best qb. If we want to fantasize about the beat qb, then its about individual stats, wins, superbowls. And thats that. Manning fans hate this because if we use that, it will show a great regular season qb and a mediocre at best post season qb.

19 page thesis papers tend to make deeper arguments than simply pointing at wins and losses and attributing them fully to one player on the field. Making an argument for "Best Quarterback" is always subjective. There's no one "right" answer, that's why it's fun to argue it so long as the people arguing can be mature about the discussion. It's easy to understand why Manning fans would dislike the argument about postseason wins and losses because they don't tell the whole story. Just the same, Tom Brady fans seem to hate when people write insightful pieces that go beyond the stats because they feel it threatens Brady's legacy.

[nera20]

peyton manning is the #1 QB of all time montana had the most stacked teams when he played its not like manning carried the colts to 14-2 seasons for what 12 years? lol so heres the list


#1 Manning no one plays the game better then him
#2Brady ( he has done with no name WRs then anyone else)
#3 Otto Graham idk how u leave the man that palyd 10 seasons and went to the championship 10 times thats amazing stuff
#4 montana just cuz the super bowls bradshaw is tied here cuz of super bowls
#5 Elway another guy with a stacked team
#6 Dan manrino GREAT QB till the play offs =P
Unitas i dont know much about him but i have heard of him this is the real list right here

marino one of the most overrated players in NFL history, loved to throw the ball if he understood how to run a balanced offense he probably would have won 2 or 3 championships, Otto Graham if I knew a little more about my NFL history I would have added him to my list, looking at his stats he was a pretty amazing player

[RITM]

19 page thesis papers tend to make deeper arguments than simply pointing at wins and losses and attributing them fully to one player on the field. Making an argument for "Best Quarterback" is always subjective. There's no one "right" answer, that's why it's fun to argue it so long as the people arguing can be mature about the discussion. It's easy to understand why Manning fans would dislike the argument about postseason wins and losses because they don't tell the whole story. Just the same, Tom Brady fans seem to hate when people write insightful pieces that go beyond the stats because they feel it threatens Brady's legacy.

I am a Peyton Manning fan and have been since his days at UT. I love the guy as much as anyone. However, I have said time and again that it is impossible to definitively label one player as the best in history. Impossible to compare players from different eras that played under different rules. If you are in the conversation, though, you have had an amazing career.

[88horsepower]

I am a Peyton Manning fan and have been since his days at UT. I love the guy as much as anyone. However, I have said time and again that it is impossible to definitively label one player as the best in history. Impossible to compare players from different eras that played under different rules. If you are in the conversation, though, you have had an amazing career.

Agreed with on all counts.

[nera20]

Agreed with on all counts.

I agree with this also its very hard to rank players

[nera20]

I am a Peyton Manning fan and have been since his days at UT. I love the guy as much as anyone. However, I have said time and again that it is impossible to definitively label one player as the best in history. Impossible to compare players from different eras that played under different rules. If you are in the conversation, though, you have had an amazing career.

I agree with this also its very hard to rank players

[bballcollector]

I agree with this also its very hard to rank players

It's still fun to argue and hear everyone's opinion.

[bigzig]

It's still fun to argue and hear everyone's opinion.

It is very fun, until someone comes in and thinks they have the absolute right answer and there is no debate. Anyone who disagrees is a moron.... (not referring to you)

[Running Back]

10. Dick Butkis
9. Don Hutson
8. Peyton MANNING
7. Reggie White
6. Johnny UNITAS
5. Walter Payton
4. Joe MONTANA
3. Lawrence Taylor
2. Jim Brown
1. Jerry Rice.

This list was chosen by the NFL experts and Sportswriters. No where does it SAY Tom Brady or John Elway. There must be good reason they didn't put the two In The top 10. BRADY is number 20 on the list.. I agree with this list for the fact that Tom Brady always had a really good team and that he lost twice to Eli Manning the Mediocre QB that a lot people say he is. Montana never looses. Peyton Manning is the Sheriff that has changed the way the game is now played. I can't say much about Johnny Unitas for the fact that I'm not that old. This should clear up a lot. Jerry Rice is the Greatest player I truly believe that.

[freethrowtommy]

10. Dick butkis
9. Don hutson
8. Peyton manning
7. Reggie white
6. Johnny unitas
5. Walter payton
4. Joe montana
3. Lawrence taylor
2. Jim brown
1. Jerry rice.

This list was chosen by the nfl experts and sportswriters. No where does it say tom brady or john elway. There must be good reason they didn't put the two in the top 10. Brady is number 20 on the list.. I agree with this list for the fact that tom brady always had a really good team and that he lost twice to eli manning the mediocre qb that a lot people say he is. Montana never looses. Peyton manning is the sheriff that has changed the way the game is now played. I can't say much about johnny unitas for the fact that i'm not that old. This should clear up a lot. Jerry rice is the greatest player i truly believe that.

yes at number 9!

[phinzphan1372]

marino one of the most overrated players in NFL history, loved to throw the ball if he understood how to run a balanced offense he probably would have won 2 or 3 championships,

This is laughable... you realize the phins averaged near the top 8 in rushing attempts while marino was there?... never had a good RB had some decent ones ... the best prolly being Keith Byars.... He had only 1 RB break 1000 yrds in that time (Jabbar) and a few 900 yrd seasons by higgs.

[wingah]

And then there are people who fail to look deeper than statistics like wins and losses. Don't get me wrong, Manning had some ridiculously bad playoff games like the 41-0 loss to the Jets in 2002. However, there are also games like the loss to the Jets in 2010, the loss to the Chargers in 2007, the loss to the Chargers in 2008 and the loss to the Ravens in 2012 - all games in which Manning did a very solid job and his defense/special teams let him down.

Heck, lets even take a good look at the Super Bowl loss to the Saints. If Pierre Garcon doesn't drop an easy pass over the middle, he scores and the Colts go up 17-0. Manning has 2 TD passes and 0 interceptions at that point. If Hank Baskett doesn't completely botch an onside kick recovery, are we talking about Manning ONLY winning one Super Bowl? If Garcon catches that easy TD pass are we even talking about the onside kick? How about the ridiculous 50+ yard FG that Coach Jim Caldwell asks a 40+ year-old Matt Stover to kick. Instead of punting and pinning the Saints deep, Caldwell goes for an insanely low percentage kick and essentially gives the hot Saints offense the ball at mid-field. Is that Manning's fault? Is it his fault that Garcon drops an easy TD or that Baskett fails to recover an onside kick? No. But, since you only look at wins and losses the game is obviously Manning's fault and thus contributes to his legacy as a one-time Super Bowl champ instead of a 2-time champ like John Elway or his brother, Eli. It's a cheap-shot to look only at wins and losses when it's clear you didn't watch the games that led to those numbers.

I may love Manning, but I call it like it is. He is not the reason the Colts only won one Super Bowl. He is, however, THE BIGGEST REASON the Colts were even contenders every year he was their quarterback. One of the reasons Manning is great is because he, like Elway and Marino before him, helped less than mediocre teams contend every single year. When Marino played, you could easily point to wins and losses in the postseason to judge his career. However, name one player in the Hall of Fame besides Dwight Stephenson, who played any significant amount of time with Marino during his career? Anyone? Exactly. You can't. That's just another reason why Marino was a stud. He made average teams look amazing until they got exposed in the playoffs when most teams are amazing. Manning did the same thing. He took average teams to contention every year and often lost when the team played another team that was either coached better or had more talent or a combination of both. That's hardly Manning's fault.

So, next time someone wants to take a player like Manning or Marino and count their legacy's greatness by the number of rings they have or don't have, try to look a little deeper than that. Numbers and rings don't always tell the whole story. In fact, they hardly tell the story at all.

Wait wait...so when we talk about Manning it is ok to say "IF" but when we talk about Brady vs the Giants it is not ok so say "IF"? And trust me there were only about 1 or 2 "IFs" in each of those games.....both or which were MIRACLES more then they were "IFs" So if we want to talk "IFs" Brady is 6-0 in SBs and should easily be #1 on this list? Just using your methods to come to that conclusion. Notice I haven't ranked anyone yet.

[88horsepower]

Wait wait...so when we talk about Manning it is ok to say "IF" but when we talk about Brady vs the Giants it is not ok so say "IF"? And trust me there were only about 1 or 2 "IFs" in each of those games.....both or which were MIRACLES more then they were "IFs" So if we want to talk "IFs" Brady is 6-0 in SBs and should easily be #1 on this list? Just using your methods to come to that conclusion. Notice I haven't ranked anyone yet.

It's perfectly okay say that about both players. My point was that both players had "if" moments in their careers that contribute to their legacy and that both players had "if" moments that were almost entirely out of their control (e.g. Welker dropping Brady's pass or the Broncos defense falling apart last year with Manning at the helm), which is why the wins and losses need to be more about the team than any individual player.

[wingah]

It's perfectly okay say that about both players. My point was that both players had "if" moments in their careers that contribute to their legacy and that both players had "if" moments that were almost entirely out of their control (e.g. Welker dropping Brady's pass or the Broncos defense falling apart last year with Manning at the helm), which is why the wins and losses need to be more about the team than any individual player.

Ok. I agree you cant just go by SB wins but if you use a formula that weighs each stat or bit of information...lets say SBs would weigh the most obviously followed by playoff wins....followed by regular season wins...followed by stats. Each being worth less as you go down the list. Brady would be ahead of Manning in that formula even though Manning has the better regular season stats. This is why we would place guys like Manning and Brees ahead of guys like Dilfer even though they have won the same amount of SBs. <- This answers all the people who were like DERP DERP Sanchez has better playoff winning percentage or Dilfer has more SBs then Marino.

[Running Back]

10. Dick Butkis
9. Don Hutson
8. Peyton MANNING
7. Reggie White
6. Johnny UNITAS
5. Walter Payton
4. Joe MONTANA
3. Lawrence Taylor
2. Jim Brown
1. Jerry Rice.

This list was chosen by the NFL experts and Sportswriters. No where does it SAY Tom Brady or John Elway. There must be good reason they didn't put the two In The top 10. BRADY is number 20 on the list.. I agree with this list for the fact that Tom Brady always had a really good team and that he lost twice to Eli Manning the Mediocre QB that a lot people say he is. Montana never looses. Peyton Manning is the Sheriff that has changed the way the game is now played. I can't say much about Johnny Unitas for the fact that I'm not that old. This should clear up a lot. Jerry Rice is the Greatest player I truly believe that.

Forgot too add that Elway is in the top 30

[bowefan]

otto graham hands down. 10 championship games and won 7 times.
I hate when people discredit players before 1980. Yes there were less teams and yes todays players are stronger and faster but the league is water down with less talented players who gets a spot on the roster because of so many teams.
Back in the 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's there were less teams, but better talent at each position, meaning harder to beat teams in those eras. Plus the game was a game of warriors not like to todays game. players today are soft at heart and rather sit on the bench with a sprain or some other silly injury.
yes I believe that the early years of football players would probably not last long in todays game, but the same could be said for todays players if they played in early violent years of football.

[88horsepower]

otto graham hands down. 10 championship games and won 7 times.
I hate when people discredit players before 1980. Yes there were less teams and yes todays players are stronger and faster but the league is water down with less talented players who gets a spot on the roster because of so many teams.
Back in the 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's there were less teams, but better talent at each position, meaning harder to beat teams in those eras. Plus the game was a game of warriors not like to todays game. players today are soft at heart and rather sit on the bench with a sprain or some other silly injury.
yes I believe that the early years of football players would probably not last long in todays game, but the same could be said for todays players if they played in early violent years of football.

Personally, I think Sammy Baugh should be strongly considered for many of the reasons you mentioned above. Guy played multiple positions and was a tremendous QB in an era when the game was played very differently. Baugh and Graham are two Pre-Super Bowl era QBs I always keep in my top 10.

[wingah]

otto graham hands down. 10 championship games and won 7 times.
I hate when people discredit players before 1980. Yes there were less teams and yes todays players are stronger and faster but the league is water down with less talented players who gets a spot on the roster because of so many teams.
Back in the 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's there were less teams, but better talent at each position, meaning harder to beat teams in those eras. Plus the game was a game of warriors not like to todays game. players today are soft at heart and rather sit on the bench with a sprain or some other silly injury.
yes I believe that the early years of football players would probably not last long in todays game, but the same could be said for todays players if they played in early violent years of football.

I wouldn't say that the players at the positions from those days were more talented....like you said todays players and bigger stronger faster....which translates in to talent in a physical game like football. However the one advantage todays players have are the Rules and Equipment.

[bballcollector]

It sucks to say but I've never seen Graham or Unitas play so I can't say their in my top 5. Do they deserve it? Maybe but why don't "experts" include these QBs in any of these discussions?

[88horsepower]

It sucks to say but I've never seen Graham or Unitas play so I can't say their in my top 5. Do they deserve it? Maybe but why don't "experts" include these QBs in any of these discussions?

The Top 10 All-Time NFL Quarterbacks | Bleacher Report (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1185910-the-top-10-all-time-nfl-quarterbacks)

Bleacher Report has Graham at #6 and Baugh at #5

The definitive list: Top 10 NFL quarterbacks (http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/the-definitive-list-top-10-nfl-quarterbacks/6376/)

Graham and Baugh at #4 and #3, respectively

Otto Graham was listed as the #16 player and Baugh as the #14 players of All-Time in the NFL Network Top 100 players ever.

I could keep going if you like.

The reason so-called "experts" don't often include the likes of Baugh and Graham is because people tend to have very short memory spans and many of those "experts" weren't alive to watch guys from the pre-Super Bowl era.

[FreeMan12406]

Tebow has more playoff wins in Denver than Manning.

[88horsepower]

Tebow has more playoff wins in Denver than Manning.

http://magazineforever.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Randy-Quaid-payday.jpg
Randy Quaid was nominated for an Academy Award. John Cusack has never been nominated. I can play this game, too.

[Jopeal]

http://magazineforever.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Randy-Quaid-payday.jpg
Randy Quaid was nominated for an Academy Award. John Cusack has never been nominated. I can play this game, too.

Lmao, folks the most random comment award winner has been crowned.

[ssbledsoe]

http://magazineforever.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Randy-Quaid-payday.jpg
Randy Quaid was nominated for an Academy Award. John Cusack has never been nominated. I can play this game, too.

http://www.funnyordie.com/lists/30868d6681/gif-guide-clapping
You just compared Randy Quaid to Tebow. Bravo! I say again, bravo.

[bigzig]

http://magazineforever.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Randy-Quaid-payday.jpg
Randy Quaid was nominated for an Academy Award. John Cusack has never been nominated. I can play this game, too.

Bahahahahahahahahahahahsha!

Greg: 1
RJ: 0

[Busstop]

1.tim tebow
2.mark sanchez
3.tim couch
4.jeff George
5.trent dilfer

what about Ryan Leaf for the # 1 spot ? :cool:

serious:

1. Montana
2. Brady
3. Favre
4. Unitas
5. Elway

[jhand13]

You forgot otto graham

[88horsepower]

Haha, Randy Quaid always cracked me up in the Vacation movies. Someone pointed out to me that he was actually nominated for an Oscar. I had to look it up to be sure but low and behold, he's actually been nominated. I guess it goes to show even the sun shines on a dog's ass every so often. :p

[nera20]

It's still fun to argue and hear everyone's opinion.

its alot of fun to see what everyone thinks, overall they were all great players all in different situations so its really hard to rank guys past and present.

[FreeMan12406]

http://magazineforever.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Randy-Quaid-payday.jpg
Randy Quaid was nominated for an Academy Award. John Cusack has never been nominated. I can play this game, too.

John Cusack sucks.

[88horsepower]

John Cusack sucks.

This opinion explains a lot things. :eek::D:p

[davidsemo]

John Cusack sucks.

Oh come on. High Fidelity? Grosse Pointe Blank?

[FreeMan12406]

Oh come on. High Fidelity? Grosse Pointe Blank?

Meh. He was a serviceable actor.

[88horsepower]

Meh. He was a serviceable actor.

Haha, love it. :D

[jimmyphan113]

1. Montana

2. doesn't matter.

[88horsepower]

1. Montana

2. doesn't matter.

Thanks for bumping this up with a well thought out and well explained post.

[jimmyphan113]

Thanks for bumping this up with a well thought out and well explained post.

You're welcome!

[RedSoxFan28]

1. Montana

2. doesn't matter.

What about 3,4, and 5? :special:

[migraine]

montana

/thread

[jimmyphan113]

What about 3,4, and 5? :special:

3. Ryan Leaf

4. Akili Smith

5. Tom Brady (because I know you're a Pats fan) :)!