1999 Leaf Gridiron Gear 1/1 Shields

[touchdowntimekc]

I noticed PWCC listed like 72 different 1/1's of this product lastnight...Never seen any before and Beckett doesn't list them as ever being produced.

Here is a link to the Montana...1999 Leaf Certified Gridiron Gear Joe Montana NFL Jersey Patch 1 1 PWCC | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-Leaf-Certified-Gridiron-Gear-Joe-Montana-NFL-JERSEY-PATCH-1-1-PWCC-/141186333597?pt=US_Football&hash=item20df5c7b9d)

Anyone know more about these? Are they legit? and who would have had the entire run (all 72)of them unless they were somehow backdoored

[touchdowntimekc]

nevermind...found my own answer

Lot Detail - Exceptionally Rare 1999 Leaf Certified Gridiron Gear Complete Set with Each Card a 1/1 (http://www.milehighcardco.com/lot-31036.aspx)

whoever won that auction for 5,500 is going to make a mint by piecing out

[Dewman]

Yeah, kinda sad to bust it up though. But on the other hand RYAN LEAF NFL SHIELD PATCH.

[zonacats8]

Yea, those cards may be real, but what are the chances that the shields are actually from game used jerseys?

That seems like it would fall right during the time when you shouldn't have been trusting any "game used" items

[Jackg1980]

Yea, those cards may be real, but what are the chances that the shields are actually from game used jerseys?

That seems like it would fall right during the time when you shouldn't have been trusting any "game used" items

yep, thats when they were probably using a bunch of fakes game used jerseys. Sucks to know that some of them are probably fake.

[tnccardz7282]

I'm buying a couple if they don't go for the premium premium this seller usually gets

[touchdowntimekc]

yeah I love the set and love the idea of the 1/1 shield in that set...


But part of me is hesitant dropping big money on something not been released in packs

It will be interesting how some of the big guys listed will go for compared to other 1/1 shields

[SavageScott]

How high should we bid up the Mark Brunell's?

[Junior Griffey]

I'm watching a few but won't be able to afford either. Would be a nice addition for the right price , even with the chance of them being from fake jerseys.

[Sikkcaden]

How high should we bid up the Mark Brunell's?

Was just thinking the same thing lol

[Welker83]

Was just thinking the same thing lol

I know a few people already working on that. :)!

[Dewman]

So, if the patches are fake, did they not use NFL Shields on Emmitt and Thurmon to make all the others seem real or did they just run out of fake shield patches?

[Nyfancam01]

How high should we bid up the Mark Brunell's?

ahhahahhhaahahah

Amazing post ^ only some will get it

[JHinGA09]

How high should we bid up the Mark Brunell's?

Was just thinking the same thing lol

I know a few people already working on that. :)!

ahhahahhhaahahah

Amazing post ^ only some will get it

There's so much hate... smh LOL

Keep on Rockin'. Jade style...

[trixstar]

Jerome Bettis collectors are insane

[srt4eh]

Yes....yes we are.

[rngrbrown]

ahhahahhhaahahah

Amazing post ^ only some will get it

I think more people get it than you think..

[garyg21]

Should be fun to see how much they go for

[touchdowntimekc]

I got the Derrick Thomas for $303 way less than I thought it would go...I honestly had a snipe in for $800

[touchdowntimekc]

I thought it would go for $500-$600

[garyg21]

Brunells went cheap considering the hate....jad still got them

[raw5060]

Brunells went cheap considering the hate....jad still got them

Yeah I'm surprised they didn't go for more!

[touchdowntimekc]

I guarantee you the guy who bought the collection for $5500...barely broke even or even lost a bit by piecing them out

[panther252]

These went for way lower than I thought they would. I automatically assumed there would be a frenzy for 90s 1/1's, so I didn't even bother. Kind of wish I got a couple.

[pfb11]

I'm assuming most people just didn't know to search for them. Because yeah, looks like that guy lost money by splitting.

[Dilferules]

The seller did an awful job listing these, he should have included the information that was in the original $5,500 auction, which goes a long way towards verifying their legitimacy. I honestly nearly doubled my bid on my guy after seeing that info, without it the cards seem like they are probably fakes or backdoored mockups that the printer or an executive kept for 15 years.

I won the Trent Dilfer for $169. Curious to know how much some of the others like the Brunell went for since they won't show up on completed auctions yet.

[wheeler281]

The seller did an awful job listing these, he should have included the information that was in the original $5,500 auction, which goes a long way towards verifying their legitimacy. I honestly nearly doubled my bid on my guy after seeing that info, without it the cards seem like they are probably fakes or backdoored mockups that the printer or an executive kept for 15 years.

I won the Trent Dilfer for $169. Curious to know how much some of the others like the Brunell went for since they won't show up on completed auctions yet.

I had them all on my watch list. I won the Bettis(277)and Stewart(128). Looks like 202.50 each on the Brunells. LMK if you need prices for any others

[MrMasterpiece]

I collect 90s 1/1s and let me just tell you guys that us collectors of 90s cards arent interested in aftermarket productions. Not to mention i collect shield/nfl logo cards. So these wouldve been right up my alley if they were pack pulled. They just dont do it for me and the others, being made for a charity auction and not inserted into regular packs. They are kinda like national or black friday cards which NEVER pull the same coin as packed cards. If you feel i dont know what im talking about just look at my name and feel free to check my bucket.

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[coltsfan23]

The seller did an awful job listing these, he should have included the information that was in the original $5,500 auction, which goes a long way towards verifying their legitimacy. I honestly nearly doubled my bid on my guy after seeing that info, without it the cards seem like they are probably fakes or backdoored mockups that the printer or an executive kept for 15 years.

I won the Trent Dilfer for $169. Curious to know how much some of the others like the Brunell went for since they won't show up on completed auctions yet.
You can see prices if you search completed on the link below. Most definitely sold lower than I expected, but I'm assuming that due to the fact that these are Promos and (appear to) have questionable legitimacy.

sortsof.com - All sorts of listings for all sorts of people (http://sortsof.com/)

[wheeler281]

I collect 90's and totally was interested as well as many of the higher end collectors I know. The Barry went for what it would go for if pack inserted. Honestly looking at them all they did decent. Not sure pack pulled would have made that much difference

[panther252]

I collect 90s 1/1s and let me just tell you guys that us collectors of 90s cards arent interested in aftermarket productions. Not to mention i collect shield/nfl logo cards. So these wouldve been right up my alley if they were pack pulled. They just dont do it for me and the others, being made for a charity auction and not inserted into regular packs. They are kinda like national or black friday cards which NEVER pull the same coin as packed cards. If you feel i dont know what im talking about just look at my name and feel free to check my bucket.

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You're the authority on 90's 1/1's. If you say these don't do it for you, then I don't feel too bad missing out lol.

[Andrew Jones]

I collect 90's and totally was interested as well as many of the higher end collectors I know. The Barry went for what it would go for if pack inserted. Honestly looking at them all they did decent. Not sure pack pulled would have made that much difference

It probably depends on the collector. I bid about 20% of what I would have for my PC guy because I don't collect oddball/aftermarket/promo/non-pack pulled cards. The cards are cool and I'd have been happy to win it but I really don't consider it to be a must have for my collection.

[Dielon]

He still made money piecing these out. All he had to do was sell these at an average of 76 bucks (more because of fees) but every one I saw sold more than that. Even the lesser known players sold for more

[CSprings]

I had them all on my watch list. I won the Bettis(277)and Stewart(128). Looks like 202.50 each on the Brunells. LMK if you need prices for any others

How much did the Moss (2 versions) and Cunningham sell for? Thanks in advance.

[wheeler281]

no worries just because you bid 20% what you would have does not really mean anything to me just means you didn't win. I am here to tell you these went for market value.

edit mosses went for 247 each

[MrMasterpiece]

no worries just because you bid 20% what you would have does not really mean anything to me just means you didn't win. I am here to tell you these went for market value.

edit mosses went for 247 each

Well everybody has ther opinion. BUT LET ME TELL YOU THAT, TRUE 90s 1/1 MASTERPIECE cards or Jerry Rice, Dan Marino and the big names go for 700+ and up at NO RESERVE auctions. NEVER THE LESS. This is with no logo, no jersey, and Just serial numbers. I know because i have watched and or bid on almost every auction in the last 15 years. Im Not a true baller like BELENHOYA however. But he buys or has bought alot of them as well and he didnt even bid on these. A 90s peyton rookie 1/1 just sold for 2500+ at auction and then was resold by that seller after they LOST the super bowl for 3200. No auto, no jersey. So like another member has already mentioned. These are PROMOS. To eaches own. Not discrediting your pickup. Just trying to shed light on why these didnt go even higher. I think the seller did well and he made money. Alot of people are gonna get some nice cards/slash conversation pieces for their collections. And that what its all about! Spend your money how you feel and be happy with it:)!

[wheeler281]

If you know the history about that Manning you would know why it sold for so much. Its and apples and oranges debate. What you are preaching does not hold merit for history of leaf certified shields sales history of said players. You are giving false information and perspective

[MrMasterpiece]

If you know the history about that Manning you would know why it sold for so much. Its and apples and oranges debate. What you are preaching does not hold merit for history of leaf certified shields sales history of said players. You are giving false information and perspective

Wheeler281 you have an awesome collection! People like different things. I understand that. However, im not giving false information. The cards are PROMOS/Aftermarket cards. Point, blank period. They got alot of interest because they have shields on them which are game worn and thats nice. But they are still Promos. Anyway you look at it! Once again i respect you as a collector and believe you have an awesome collection. This is just one we will have to disagree on. No hard feelings and NO misinformation!

[wheeler281]

No problem I was not debating if they were promos or not. I was indicating value held regardless of that just based on past sales history of the products pack inserted shields.

[jryan_711]

I really Wanted the Napolean Kaufman, I really didn't think I would get outbid at $220, Sadly I was at work when this Ended

[srt4eh]

The seller did an awful job listing these, he should have included the information that was in the original $5,500 auction, which goes a long way towards verifying their legitimacy. I honestly nearly doubled my bid on my guy after seeing that info, without it the cards seem like they are probably fakes or backdoored mockups that the printer or an executive kept for 15 years.

I won the Trent Dilfer for $169. Curious to know how much some of the others like the Brunell went for since they won't show up on completed auctions yet.

Nice....my dad was on that one for a while but he's just not into it as much as he once was. Glad you got the Bettis wheeler....that was more than I was interested in spending.

[srt4eh]

I collect 90s 1/1s and let me just tell you guys that us collectors of 90s cards arent interested in aftermarket productions. Not to mention i collect shield/nfl logo cards. So these wouldve been right up my alley if they were pack pulled. They just dont do it for me and the others, being made for a charity auction and not inserted into regular packs. They are kinda like national or black friday cards which NEVER pull the same coin as packed cards. If you feel i dont know what im talking about just look at my name and feel free to check my bucket.

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Mind if I ask why you decided to part with that Bettis Define the Game 1/1? I really wish I would have scooped it..

[wheeler281]

Nice....my dad was on that one for a while but he's just not into it as much as he once was. Glad you got the Bettis wheeler....that was more than I was interested in spending.

:) You know if its a bettis I want I do not lose. If its not a shield or auto I am out so it really limits. My biggest higher end bettis competitor (bettiscollector36 or something)was there at the end as I figured he would be

Between him, you and blitzburgh we battle quite often :)

[MrMasterpiece]

Mind if I ask why you decided to part with that Bettis Define the Game 1/1? I really wish I would have scooped it..

I didnt part with it. I just won it tonight!:flex: It listed and i won it. I just always go ahead and add pics to my bucket.

[Dilferules]

Nice....my dad was on that one for a while but he's just not into it as much as he once was. Glad you got the Bettis wheeler....that was more than I was interested in spending.

Oh no don't tell me your dad is back in the game, I thought he was done collecting Dilfer! haha. I'm surprised there were 4 different bidders in at over $90 given how many of the cards from the set sold around $60.

Regarding the argument about these selling for more if they were pack-pulled...I would have bid at least $100 more if this was pack-pulled. These cards are pretty sketchy...not inserted in packs, not listed by Beckett, pretty much nobody ever heard of them until a week ago. It's clear that if they had the legitimacy of being known pack-pulled cards more people would have been in on the bidding and they would have sold higher.

If they were pack-pulled official cards they would be the "holy grail" for several of these players. As they are, they are just extremely cool curiosities.

[srt4eh]

I can't say that he's back in the game but when I see rare stuff I either bid or let him know about it. I think it's a shame that he's so close to "complete" but doesn't collect anymore. Hell...give the collection to me and I'll finish it off.

[srt4eh]

I didnt part with it. I just won it tonight!:flex: It listed and i won it. I just always go ahead and add pics to my bucket.


Nice...I wanted it bad but was trying to sweet talk the wife into letting me snag it. Finally got the go ahead...check back and it's gone.

[Welker83]

Kinda wish i still went after the Abdul-jabbar be cool to have but the seemed shilling got me off of it.

[irtazman]

He still made money piecing these out. All he had to do was sell these at an average of 76 bucks (more because of fees) but every one I saw sold more than that. Even the lesser known players sold for more

Do we know how much the seller paid for them? According to the letter. Dave and Adams card world(in New York) won the charity auction, but they were ebayed out of California.

[marinocollector]

Do we know how much the seller paid for them? According to the letter. Dave and Adams card world(in New York) won the charity auction, but they were ebayed out of California.

The chArity auction was a looooookong time ago. This set has been on eBay for years.

[NonSportsCardForum]

Good thing I didnt see the Brunells. Would have given Jade a taste of his own medicine.

[runeatfish]

Looks like they all closed for close to 22k. That's a nice 4x...

[touchdowntimekc]

what was the highest the sanders?

[Slette]

Wheels, what did the Desmond Howard go for? I forgot to bid, and accidentally erased it from my Watchlist before looking at the price. I really suck at iPhone when sitting on the toilet.

[brianshaft]

I REALLY wanted the Coates, to an extent, but couldn't justify going much past $110 since it was A) likely a "fake" patch they threw together for this set and B) not a pack issued card. They are cool looking, but being a non-released card I just feel they weren't really worth that much and there's no way to really know about how legit the patches are from a true "game used" standpoint since the company no longer exists. Didn't look to see who outbid me yet, but I have a feeling I know :)

[touchdowntimekc]

Doubt they are fake...the reason why on a lot on the other Donruss/Leaf game used sets they actually had pictures of the jerseys used. To my knowledge they never did any other Shield cards. So why use a fake shield when they had good ones to use?

[Junior Griffey]

The Howard only went for around $60 I think. I already cleared it off my watch list. The only ones I watched were Howard and Woodson.

Wheels, what did the Desmond Howard go for? I forgot to bid, and accidentally erased it from my Watchlist before looking at the price. I really suck at iPhone when sitting on the toilet.

[Dilferules]

For those asking about prices, the highest were:

Manning $565
Jerry Rice $565 & $458
Montana $510
Barry Sanders $363
Steve Young $355
Favre $333 & $333
Marino $333 & $315
Jim Kelly $333
Derrick Thomas $303
Elway $292 & $262

Emmitt Smith only went for $235 but it was a regular patch piece, not the NFL shield. I was probably most surprised by Charles Woodson for $218, does he have crazy collectors or something? Also Napoleon Kaufman for $222 while his second card in the set went for only $107.

[Brad68to96]

I had no idea there was so much concern over these, but I am happy to add the Marvin Harrison to my collection.

[zonacats8]

Doubt they are fake...the reason why on a lot on the other Donruss/Leaf game used sets they actually had pictures of the jerseys used. To my knowledge they never did any other Shield cards. So why use a fake shield when they had good ones to use?

A picture of the jersey means nothing, it's not like all the fake "game used" jerseys the companies were buying back then were already given to them as cut up pieces. They always bought what looked to be authentic jerseys, the problem is that they were rarely if ever actually game worn.

It was never a question whether they were real shields or manufactured shields, it was whether they were game worn jerseys.

Add that to the fact that it was just a custom set by the company and nothing packed out, I can't believe these went for the numbers they sold for

[WilsonValdez]

Well the Randall Cunningham only went for $66. Guess it was a "steal" compared to other players.

Either way, I decided to stay out of it....very weary of "promotional" pieces.

[Slette]

The Howard only went for around $60 I think. I already cleared it off my watch list. The only ones I watched were Howard and Woodson.

Well... crap

BTW, how've you been man?

[marinocollector]

A picture of the jersey means nothing, it's not like all the fake "game used" jerseys the companies were buying back then were already given to them as cut up pieces. They always bought what looked to be authentic jerseys, the problem is that they were rarely if ever actually game worn.

It was never a question whether they were real shields or manufactured shields, it was whether they were game worn jerseys.

Add that to the fact that it was just a custom set by the company and nothing packed out, I can't believe these went for the numbers they sold for

This was well before the companies were buying fake game used. Playoff was known for opening the wallet to get the good stuff.
please know what you are talking about before talking.

[Dilferules]

Yeah with the case with those guys that were selling fake jerseys to card companies, I thought it happened closer to the mid-2000's. I've never heard any rumblings about late 90's GU being fake. It'd also be pretty funny if they were bothering to buy fake Trent Dilfer or O.J. McDuffie game jerseys.

[Junior Griffey]

Been doing ok. Wife is due near the end of July and I've been trying to pay off a few bills, so haven't been buying much. Still keeping an eye out for Michigan 1/1's though. Thankfully neither Denard super from chrome has come up yet, because I couldn't afford either right now.

Well... crap

BTW, how've you been man?

[SpaSpo]

I bid on quite a few of these and won the two that I really wanted.



My opinions on these listings.

1. These cards were undersold.

2. The way they were listed and who the seller was limited the final prices.

3. The shields are as authentic as any "game used" logo card ever made.

4. The cards are similar to a redemption set like the 2005 Exquisite Holofoil /5 set. (Obviously no redemption involved, but the cards enter into the secondary market in a similar fashion.)

5. When some of these cards come up for resale individually they will go for higher prices.

[lennox.p]

warren sapp was a big steal at 70$

[ssbledsoe]

I REALLY wanted the Coates, to an extent, but couldn't justify going much past $110 since it was A) likely a "fake" patch they threw together for this set and B) not a pack issued card. They are cool looking, but being a non-released card I just feel they weren't really worth that much and there's no way to really know about how legit the patches are from a true "game used" standpoint since the company no longer exists. Didn't look to see who outbid me yet, but I have a feeling I know :)

I didn't even bid on the Coates or Bledsoe. I had some late minute mind changing and passed for some of the reasons you listed.

[sljock53]

Loved these cards... I own the Desmond Howard, Antonio Freeman, and Robert Brooks... I'm a Packers fan and they were on the Superbowl winning team in 96... Ive never seen a shield of freeman brooks or howard so I had to get them... and to get all 3 for 190 i really couldnt go wrong... im pissed I missed the Dorsey Levens though... if you're interested in the Howard PM me maybe I can make a deal with you on it

Wheels, what did the Desmond Howard go for? I forgot to bid, and accidentally erased it from my Watchlist before looking at the price. I really suck at iPhone when sitting on the toilet.

The Howard only went for around $60 I think. I already cleared it off my watch list. The only ones I watched were Howard and Woodson.

[SpaSpo]

warren sapp was a big steal at 70$

I think that was the biggest steal. Pretty much any of the ones that ended under $100 were a deal Two other names that jumped out as under priced were Bledsoe and Bruce.

[awill1818]

For those asking about prices, the highest were:

Manning $565
Jerry Rice $565 & $458
Montana $510
Barry Sanders $363
Steve Young $355
Favre $333 & $333
Marino $333 & $315
Jim Kelly $333
Derrick Thomas $303
Elway $292 & $262

Emmitt Smith only went for $235 but it was a regular patch piece, not the NFL shield. I was probably most surprised by Charles Woodson for $218, does he have crazy collectors or something? Also Napoleon Kaufman for $222 while his second card in the set went for only $107.
Yea I'm that crazy Woodson collector, feel like I stole it for $218. I think it will fit in nicely with my Woodson collection and my nike check from that same set. http://s1229.photobucket.com/user/Awill1818/library/Charles%20Woodson%20Collection?sort=6&page=1

[titletowncards]

Loved these cards... I own the Desmond Howard, Antonio Freeman, and Robert Brooks... I'm a Packers fan and they were on the Superbowl winning team in 96... Ive never seen a shield of freeman brooks or howard so I had to get them... and to get all 3 for 190 i really couldnt go wrong... im pissed I missed the Dorsey Levens though... if you're interested in the Howard PM me maybe I can make a deal with you on it

You'd better bring them to the next card show in Wausau next weekend!

[touchdowntimekc]

Beckett put them in the database...think further should drive the resale value up

[wheeler281]

Beckett put them in the database...think further should drive the resale value up

Never knew that thanks. Came to ask a question and noticed I missed this

Anyhow, Sorry for the bump guys. Does anyone know what the testaverde sold for originally?

[Slette]

I'd be curious to know what Vinny sold for too...

[BirdLaw]

yep, thats when they were probably using a bunch of fakes game used jerseys. Sucks to know that some of them are probably fake.

Was everyone doing it back then? I know there were some problems with Pacific but I didn't think it was a widespread issue.