Topps is a joke read redemption offer

[DJP73]

THIS IS WHAT THEY VALUE 1/1 NFL SHIELD LOGO AT!!!

It was a pleasure speaking with you. As per our phone conversation, we currently value your redemption card(s) at the following amounts, which reflect fair, current market value:

FSFW9QTN34 2012 Five Star Futures Dual Auto Shield Book Card R. Griffin III/T. Richardson is valued at $500.
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Please respond at your earliest convenience if you do indeed agree to replace your redemption card(s) at the value(s) listed above, as well as to confirm the current mailing address we have on file for you:

[TheBurg]

Doesn't sound like a "joke" value. Richardson is a bum, and RG3's values have taken a hit.

[seahawks4ever]

Actually, that seems pretty good given what each player has become. The card was certainly worth more when you submitted it but currently, seems on the low side of fair.

[OpethFlames]

Yea I would think it would be worth more if Richardson wasn't on it.

[TheFrenzy]

It's almost impossible to put a "market value" price on 1/1s. Remember, the crazy prices you see on ebay are due to the buyers, not the card.

And given the play of both RG3 and Richardson, it doesn't sound like too terrible of an offer. Especially since the Russell Wilson/Nick Toon 1/1 auto book sold for less than that.

[drew306]

Well what they value the card at frankly doesn't matter if they are replacing it with another high-end card.

[jcduncan]

Hopefully you get something good

[eaglescubs555]

Seems like a fair value to me.

[trixstar]

I'd take 500.00 and run for that card

[DJP73]

This is a 1/1 dual NFL shield Auto. A Griffin shield just sold for 1,500.00 out of Prestige.

[TheBurg]

This is a 1/1 dual NFL shield Auto. A Griffin shield just sold for 1,500.00 out of Prestige.

Link? I didn't even know there were shields in Prestige.
This card is worth less than a solo RG3 shield auto because Richardson is on it.

[1eyed_jack]

This is a 1/1 dual NFL shield Auto. A Griffin shield just sold for 1,500.00 out of Prestige.

Yes, but Richardson is awful and that messes up the value of the card severely.

Not that RGIII is Joe Montana, but think about, what's worth more, an auto of Joe Montana, or a dual auto of Joe Montana and Mark Sanchez?

[ninjacookies]

Count your lucky stars, young man.

It's like asking top dollar for a Derek Jeter/ Rusty Kuntz dual.

[DJP73]

sorry it was out of Prime signatures.

[seahawks4ever]

This is a 1/1 dual NFL shield Auto. A Griffin shield just sold for 1,500.00 out of Prestige.

2012 Five Star Robert Griffin III RG3 Justin Blackmon Laundry Tag Auto True 1 1 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-FIVE-STAR-ROBERT-GRIFFIN-III-RG3-JUSTIN-BLACKMON-LAUNDRY-TAG-AUTO-TRUE-1-1-/331059929744?hash=item4d14b5a290)
Justin Blackmon and Trent Richardson aren't all that different. Both have potential. Both can't stay on the field (either by choice with Blackmon, or by crappy play with Richardson). Laundry tag 1/1 isn't quite as nice as a logo 1/1...but both tags have the NFL logo on them.

$500 is fair.

[Ajax1723]

2012 Five Star Robert Griffin III RG3 Justin Blackmon Laundry Tag Auto True 1 1 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-FIVE-STAR-ROBERT-GRIFFIN-III-RG3-JUSTIN-BLACKMON-LAUNDRY-TAG-AUTO-TRUE-1-1-/331059929744?hash=item4d14b5a290)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Topps-Five-Star-Andrew-Luck-Auto-Rc-1-1-Platinum-True-One-Of-One-Autograph-/301036429465?pt=US_Football&hash=item46172b6099&nma=true&si=qko6ypaQCfi%252BnOPL61rVnz92zp0%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Topps-Five-Star-Andrew-Luck-Auto-Rc-1-1-Platinum-True-One-Of-One-Autograph-/301036429465?pt=US_Football&hash=item46172b6099&nma=true&si=qko6ypaQCfi%252BnOPL61rVnz92zp0%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)

These are the two I could find to be most comparable.

If a Luck 1/1 auto only goes in the 800s (I get it, there's no shield), I don't see why a dual auto 1/1 (which historically go for less) should be anywhere near that, especially when both players are coming off bad seasons, and Richardson isn't even on the Browns anymore.

Another dual with Blackmon (who's prices have taken a tumble very similar to Richardson) went for less than 500, and it was graded a 9, which is pretty tough for Five Star books.

[oldcardcolector]

Pretty much nailed the current price. RG3 has failed big time and richardson pffft. Be glad they gave you $500.

[CARDFR33K]

take 500 and walk away laughing at topps for giving you something worth 500 bucks please. LOL

[DJP73]

Those are totally different cards, There is a Blackmon- Griffin shield up for 1,499.00 LIKE MY REDEMPTION. I think Griffin has a lot upside next year.

[chutneyfactory]

Ask for a $500 andrew luck and enjoy it. That's a fantastic valuation

[Ajax1723]

Those are totally different cards, There is a Blackmon- Griffin shield up for 1,499.00 LIKE MY REDEMPTION. I think Griffin has a lot upside next year.

Who cares what someone is asking for it?

I could ask 5 grand for a Russell Wilson Base Rookie. That doesn't mean I'll get it.

You were given a value on the card RIGHT NOW. Topps isn't going to give you more than they think it's worth because you think he has upside.

[CARDFR33K]

Those are totally different cards, There is a Blackmon- Griffin shield up for 1,499.00 LIKE MY REDEMPTION. I think Griffin has a lot upside next year.

its listed for that but has anyone paid that?

[chutneyfactory]

Those are totally different cards, There is a Blackmon- Griffin shield up for 1,499.00 LIKE MY REDEMPTION. I think Griffin has a lot upside next year.

Sadly Topps doesn't predict upside. And he doesn't have much upside

[CARDFR33K]

Ask for a $500 andrew luck and enjoy it. That's a fantastic valuation

i agree you can get a pretty damn nice luck or a wilson or something nice for 500.

[TheBurg]

Those are totally different cards, There is a Blackmon- Griffin shield up for 1,499.00 LIKE MY REDEMPTION. I think Griffin has a lot upside next year.

Blackmon>Richardson by a wide margin.

[JHinGA09]

OP, I hear what you're saying, but IF they did get you the RGIII/Richardson dual Shield auto, at what value do you think it is worth and what cash value do you think it would sell for?
As of right now, I don't know if any BO members would even fork over $500 for a Richardson auto even if it's got another under-performed player on it.

[royprice31]

I'm guessing they are giving you "Beckett" value and not sell value. So the sell value on your replacement will be about $200 or less! My buddy has the redemption for the dual base book 1/1 auto of them. He hasn't contacted them for replacement yet. I'm curious to see what they value it at.

[tajikey]

Who cares what someone is asking for it?

I could ask 5 grand for a Russell Wilson Base Rookie. That doesn't mean I'll get it.

You were given a value on the card RIGHT NOW. Topps isn't going to give you more than they think it's worth because you think he has upside.

Send me your PayPal address, this sounds like a steal!

[DJP73]

I totally agree, Griffin had a bad year, but I checked beckett this week and his prices mirror Russell Wilson.

[JHinGA09]

Honestly, Beckett is only good for grading and their database. Their BV is a joke.

[ninjacookies]

I totally agree, Griffin had a bad year, but I checked beckett this week and his prices mirror Russell Wilson.

I have an austin pettis NFL gear jersey auto worth 20 dollars according to Beckett.

Good luck with your reasoning.

[DJP73]

I know we use ebay as guide , But Topps told me they still use Beckett, 1/1 doesn't book of course, but Griffins base autos are 200-400 out of Five Star

[seahawks4ever]

I totally agree, Griffin had a bad year, but I checked beckett this week and his prices mirror Russell Wilson.

I had a Courtney Taylor Classics auto that booked $25. I danced a happy dance when someone finally bought it for $3.

[Soonerfan65]

Honestly seems fair to me also; take it while u can


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[Tones]

i wouldn't pay $500 for that card live, i'd turn around see what they are offering you for it, and take it and run if the 500 value is there

[ivbaseball06]

$500 is more than fair. I hope they see this thread and your ungratefulness and pull the offer.

[nateyad]

I know we use ebay as guide , But Topps told me they still use Beckett, 1/1 doesn't book of course, but Griffins base autos are 200-400 out of Five Star

Someone please get through to this guy. Just because a Griffin auto is selling for 200-400 means that adding Trent Richardson ADDS ANOTHER 200-400! Seriously dude what don't you understand about Richardson blows and RG III just had a terrible season???

[panther252]

Ugh. Unfortunately it's part of the hobby that we have to come to terms with. I wish they could have gotten it done earlier so you could have gotten full value, but it's about market value now. If you're mad now, just wait until later. The real joke here is seeing what they think is worth $500 value.

[Ajax1723]

Send me your PayPal address, this sounds like a steal!

I only accept money orders signed by every member of the Romanian Winter Olympic delegation.

[Nightangler]

CAN ANYONE HELP ME been waiting on a redemption card from topps for about 14 months. Everytime I would check on it it would say pending... Now it says Cancelled
What's up with that?

[mikeyp]

Ugh. Unfortunately it's part of the hobby that we have to come to terms with. I wish they could have gotten it done earlier so you could have gotten full value, but it's about market value now. If you're mad now, just wait until later. The real joke here is seeing what they think is worth $500 value.

This! Just wait and see what they try to value at $500 for your replacement. Then you might really be mad. They might just give you that base RG3 auto you were talking about that books $400 plus some other crappy card.

[BGT Masters]

If that's BV then you're getting hosed. A RGIII Quad Jersey /15 in the set books $500 alone, with several others booking $400. Not sure how they think $500 BV for a NFL 1/1 Shield Auto is fair.

[pigeonsbaseball]

CAN ANYONE HELP ME been waiting on a redemption card from topps for about 14 months. Everytime I would check on it it would say pending... Now it says Cancelled
What's up with that?

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/baseball/663274-topps-redepmtion-says-cancelled.html

[DJP73]

If that's BV then you're getting hosed. A RGIII Quad Jersey /15 in the set books $500 alone, with several others booking $400. Not sure how they think $500 BV for a NFL 1/1 Shield Auto is fair.

Thats what I was trying to say, in Beckett a lot of his cards book 500.00- 600.00 in Five Star and there with guys like Blackmon and Richardson also NUMBERED /10 15/. This is 1/1 SHIELD. SABRINA who determines the value told me they use Beckett

[mikeyp]

Yea if they think Beckett would book that card at $500 and they are trying to give you a card that books $500 as a replacement that is crap. But if they give you a card that sells for $500 (which they won't) it wouldn't be bad.

[Stat Monsters]

$500 is a good price, but it depends... are they offering you $500 in cash?

Or a "$500 Value" in credit towards other cards they'll then shovel to you to make up the $500?

The only thing I'd be wary of is if they compensated you quantity over quality, so you get a bunch of mediocre scrubs in lieu of the card you were owed.

This "Redemption" thing should be outlawed by the Better Business Bureau if a company isn't able to redeem the promised cards verbatim (so no, bait and switch) and also fulfill the cards within a reasonable period of time (even using a generous 1 year as a limit) then they should not be able to continue marketing practices they don't honor. I'd say a respectable number is 95%, anything shy of that is illrespectful and unorganized, proving they can't handle what they're promising and need to stop promising what they can't deliver.

I believe if enough people file Better Business Bureau complaints their ratings suffer and I think it impacts their operations, business insurance, etc.

I feel sorry for those people who buy redemption cards for high dollars more so than the lucky ones who pull them out of packs (albeit many buy packs, boxes and cases chasing the cardboard gold).

I'd love to see Redemptions outlawed, as it's such a bad business practice when not managed properly. I'm sure the card company's customer service overhead is large or would be large if they were any good (I know Panini does not respond to posted inquiries and Topps makes you call and wait, hoping you'll be grow impatient by the process and go away)

[Chaz]

Be happy they gave you anything and not the card back with no auto stamped on it and a Ryan Swope auto. Take what you can get IMO

[addicted36]

Typical Blowout thread where people are bashing the Redskins (Griffin has no upside cracked me up) ignoring the details (They are offering him BV not SV obv) and running thier mouths about things they dont get (well the majority here dont get this but DJPs last post here shows not all are missing the point). Topps should not be caught valuing a card that has 15 or 25 out there the same as a 1/1. Regardless of what those two people did (Griffin didnt have a terrible season jeez his terrible seasons are top 20 in the league go figure but Trent is pretty bad) this past season the OP is getting screwed with a 500 BV offer

[DJP73]

I offered to take the card with RG3 auto, and forget about Trent Richardson auto!! Trent is the one who didn't sign They have the card.They decilned

[BGT Masters]

Thats what I was trying to say, in Beckett a lot of his cards book 500.00- 600.00 in Five Star and there with guys like Blackmon and Richardson also NUMBERED /10 15/. This is 1/1 SHIELD. SABRINA who determines the value told me they use Beckett

$800-$1000 Book Value minimum and thats if its nice quality stuff that you collect/want. $500 Book Value is an insult.

[wheeler281]

That's a joke offer. When that was packed out and I assumed redeemed quite a bit ago that was a huge card. So because they could not fulfill their obligation in a timely fashion they shaft you. Everyone that is saying trich became this and that RGIII dropped. I say that is not the point. If it was redeemed before future circumstances came about he should be rewarded as such

[DJP73]

I agree, For all you Redskin bashers out there, I will buy all your RG3 1/1'S autos for 200.00-300.00. Just PM . I AM VERY SERIOUS

[DJP73]

The same card of Russell Wilson -Robert Turbin shield logo sold for 1599.00 in 2012. I would guess It would go for 2,000.00 know. The RG3 has a huge upside!!

[jumbogorilla]

It's the same thing I told you in another thread.

"That card may have been once a 2k card, but it sits right around the $400-500 dollar range, if that, currently."

If you want to see if the card will pick up in value, wait until football season begins and RG3 gets the new coach hype. As is the result of a horrible year for both players, the card is actually overvalued at $500.

[wheeler281]

It's the same thing I told you in another thread.

"That card may have been once a 2k card, but it sits right around the $400-500 dollar range, if that, currently."

If you want to see if the card will pick up in value, wait until football season begins and RG3 gets the new coach hype. As is the result of a horrible year for both players, the card is actually overvalued at $500.

and as I said 2 posts up

That's a joke offer. When that was packed out and I assumed redeemed quite a bit ago that was a huge card. So because they could not fulfill their obligation in a timely fashion they shaft you. Everyone that is saying trich became this and that RGIII dropped. I say that is not the point. If it was redeemed before future circumstances came about he should be rewarded as such

[pejc300]

OP - how much did you pay for the card? That might shed some light on this discussion...

[jumbogorilla]

and as I said 2 posts up

That's a joke offer. When that was packed out and I assumed redeemed quite a bit ago that was a huge card. So because they could not fulfill their obligation in a timely fashion they shaft you. Everyone that is saying trich became this and that RGIII dropped. I say that is not the point. If it was redeemed before future circumstances came about he should be rewarded as such

You are absolutely right, and it's unfair. I was just describing the situation as it stands now.

[ChasescardCave]

I'm surprised they are giving you $500 value for it. After the scrub-like seasons that they both just had, I'd put a $250 value on it. You can't look into the future for valuing a replacement. That's not how it works. It may well be a 1500 card someday but not right now. Don't complain.

[anusinha]

I sold that card for $600 last year, $500 is more than fair

[JHinGA09]

I sold that card for $600 last year, $500 is more than fair

This thread just got EPIC.

[NickM]

The same card of Russell Wilson -Robert Turbin shield logo sold for 1599.00 in 2012. I would guess It would go for 2,000.00 know. The RG3 has a huge upside!!

Huge upside is a euphemism for "I want it to be worth more than it is."

[FINS4LIFE]

Ask for a Wilson,Luck,Rodgers in 5 Star as a replacement. It would be worth more than your current redemption.

[BGT Masters]

Why is it so hard for people to understand? They are offering $500 beckett book value not ebay value or cash value. When there is a /15#d RGIII Auto in the same set that books for $500 plus several others in the $400 range that are lesser cards its pretty obvious they low balled him. They could send him $100 worth of cards and call it even. $500 cash can get you about $1500 book value in nice highend autos. However they arent offering $500 value as most people think of value on this site.

[Cactuspies]

talk to needchapmans about bum replacement values. I think there is a little thread about it somewhere on the boards :devil:

[Nightangler]

CAN ANYONE HELP ME been waiting on a redemption card from topps for about 14 months. Everytime I would check on it it would say pending... Now it says Cancelled
What's up with that?

[Cactuspies]

CAN ANYONE HELP ME been waiting on a redemption card from topps for about 14 months. Everytime I would check on it it would say pending... Now it says Cancelled
What's up with that?

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/baseball/661276-topps-redemption-status-cancelled.html

system error

[DJP73]

If they were offering 500.00 cash I would be ok with that, but there not. Just so you guys that think RG3 VALUE has dropped, I just bought a card last week numbered /25 for 680.00 on ebay. As I said he has cards that book higher in the set.

[DJP73]

talk to needchapmans about bum replacement values. I think there is a little thread about it somewhere on the boards :devil:

I also have the redemptions redeemed that NEEDCHAPMANS is sueing Topps over. Bryce Harper orange and purple 2012 Bowman chrome autos, I guess you guys think these are 500.00 cards also

[theblemishedone]

DJP73, fwiw I don't blame you for wanting what you want.

Here is NC's thread for suing Topps. It's a good thread and goes to show that persistence could pay off.

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/baseball/631865-i-just-filed-lawsuit-against-topps.html

I'm about to take action because my redemptions are about to hit the year mark (IE-still not returned by Topps).

From now on with ALL of my redemptions, I will literally write the date on the front of the redemption and do printouts of before and after. At this point, I have to hold everyone accountable, especially Topps.

If they were offering 500.00 cash I would be ok with that, but there not. Just so you guys that think RG3 VALUE has dropped, I just bought a card last week numbered /25 for 680.00 on ebay. As I said he has cards that book higher in the set.

[cking]

They are gonna send you 500 Michael Egnew autos that are valued at $1 each

And they will all be stickers

[wheeler281]

I sold that card for $600 last year, $500 is more than fair

well that changes my opinion lol

[jaydoublebusy]

no offense necessarily to anyone in particular but you really shouldnt base the value of a card on what BO members are paying imo.I dont think ive ever even got any offer close to what a card sells for on ebay here.Just the way it goes round here.I can tell you my dual tag non auto was up to 400 with almost two days left when both players were hot.That is the key here i believe.Both players have cooled off majorly.Plus you have T-Rich pictured in a uniform he no longer even wears.If you feel that it isnt up to youre liking,that is youre right.Somethings worth what someones willing to pay,if you would pay more than that for that card,than maybe you hold out for something a lil better.If youre actually getting any decent offer from Topps though,id definitely take that into consideration.Give them a list of who you collect,do a lil research check out "EXCH" in Beckett listings.Most likely they do have those in hand.May do you better to get a couple nicer upside players,than just one card.Hope you get a fair deal,keep us updated.

[oldgoldy97]

IMO it is worth more than $500 but it is hard to value 1/1s. Good luck OP.

[cking]

Wanna know what baffles me?

After reading this thread and the other thread with the guy suing Topps is that this wont be enough to scare people away.

People will still bust boxes. That is why the card companies treat customers the way they do. Because they can.

And you will go back for more abuse later.

[jasoncardmonger]

Wanna know what baffles me?

After reading this thread and the other thread with the guy suing Topps is that this wont be enough to scare people away.

People will still bust boxes. That is why the card companies treat customers the way they do. Because they can.

And you will go back for more abuse later.

Exactly what he said. A lot of people complain about what is happening in regards to redemptions but yet no is making any changes in their buying habits to try to have changes made. No one can do it on their own, however as a group things can happen. You don't think if Blowout themselves started ordering less and less because people started buying less and less from Blowout that it wouldn't be noticed? I think it would if you could get enough people to do it as a group.

If you are not willing to make changes yourself, then you can not expect these companies to make changes themselves. Right now they have a license to print money because all they have to do is add a new product line and people will flock to it like moths to light and they get their money while the consumer just complains about how crappy it is or how full of redemptions it is or whatever problem.

To the OP about not liking the replacement value they are offering, the way I see it is you have 2 options: 1) accept their replacement offer (because truth be told you don't have any say in it anyways and these companies can pretty much do as they please knowing almost all people do not have the time or the resources to come after them about it anyways) 2) if you don't like the value, then don't have it replaced and wait for the card to be completed and shipped to you no matter how long it takes.

[theblemishedone]

Exactly what he said. A lot of people complain about what is happening in regards to redemptions but yet no is making any changes in their buying habits to try to have changes made. No one can do it on their own, however as a group things can happen. You don't think if Blowout themselves started ordering less and less because people started buying less and less from Blowout that it wouldn't be noticed? I think it would if you could get enough people to do it as a group.

If you are not willing to make changes yourself, then you can not expect these companies to make changes themselves. Right now they have a license to print money because all they have to do is add a new product line and people will flock to it like moths to light and they get their money while the consumer just complains about how crappy it is or how full of redemptions it is or whatever problem.

To the OP about not liking the replacement value they are offering, the way I see it is you have 2 options: 1) accept their replacement offer (because truth be told you don't have any say in it anyways and these companies can pretty much do as they please knowing almost all people do not have the time or the resources to come after them about it anyways) 2) if you don't like the value, then don't have it replaced and wait for the card to be completed and shipped to you no matter how long it takes.

Jason, I agree with what is said here. Unfortunately, they control Bowman and Bowman currently controls a large segment of the licensed prospects in the marketplace.

I also own a few Topps contracts of some of the past and present players they had licensed. The athletes weren't paid much, so I can see why many of these current athletes don't really give a hoot about how quickly or slowly they send the cards/stickers back.

Right now, Donruss/Panini are slowly, but surely moving in the right direction.

[ebacardi2]

$500 is a good price, but it depends... Are they offering you $500 in cash?

Or a "$500 value" in credit towards other cards they'll then shovel to you to make up the $500?

The only thing i'd be wary of is if they compensated you quantity over quality, so you get a bunch of mediocre scrubs in lieu of the card you were owed.

This "redemption" thing should be outlawed by the better business bureau if a company isn't able to redeem the promised cards verbatim (so no, bait and switch) and also fulfill the cards within a reasonable period of time (even using a generous 1 year as a limit) then they should not be able to continue marketing practices they don't honor. I'd say a respectable number is 95%, anything shy of that is illrespectful and unorganized, proving they can't handle what they're promising and need to stop promising what they can't deliver.

I believe if enough people file better business bureau complaints their ratings suffer and i think it impacts their operations, business insurance, etc.

I feel sorry for those people who buy redemption cards for high dollars more so than the lucky ones who pull them out of packs (albeit many buy packs, boxes and cases chasing the cardboard gold).

I'd love to see redemptions outlawed, as it's such a bad business practice when not managed properly. I'm sure the card company's customer service overhead is large or would be large if they were any good (i know panini does not respond to posted inquiries and topps makes you call and wait, hoping you'll be grow impatient by the process and go away)

all replacements are 1 for 1. They do not send 10 $50 cards. The main thing is the op is right if they are offering 500 bv thenyour getting hosed, the bv should be 900 and sv 500-600 so if they send you a card that you can resell for 500 then its a good deal otherwise your getting screwed. 500 bv will probably net you 300 max.

[ebacardi2]

I'm surprised they are giving you $500 value for it. After the scrub-like seasons that they both just had, I'd put a $250 value on it. You can't look into the future for valuing a replacement. That's not how it works. It may well be a 1500 card someday but not right now. Don't complain.

JA $250 sv YOUR JUST PLAIN STUPID

[Andrew Jones]

JA $250 sv YOUR JUST PLAIN STUPID

Wow. Just wow.

[Cactuspies]

since it's rg3, the guy a couple of posts up is right, as he will offer you about 1/3 of the going rate on one of his 400 ebay accounts, he will never pay and then he will offer you about 1/2 of that 1/3rd here seeing that he created a "market value" price listed on ebay. That $900 card is now 300-400 selling value, which he will try to flip back for about 600.

what are you doing about that orange harper since it will never be made? what is the value you place on it or what has topps told you? have you gotten the run around like NC?

[DJP73]

This thread got out of hand, All I was saying was THe RG3 should book around 1,000.00 and not 500.00 as he has higher cards in the set then 500.0 that do book. As for the Harpesr they offered me 3 cases of 2013 Bowman Draft. They lied about Harper saying he was going to sign his cards. They sent Harper duplicate cards to sign from the same set, He wouldn't sign anymore. I am sure he knows the price of those cards, The orange , red purple, and the super!! THOUSANDS

[Herr Sparkz]

This thread got out of hand, All I was saying was THe RG3 should book around 1,000.00 and not 500.00 as he has higher cards in the set then 500.0 that do book. As for the Harpesr they offered me 3 cases of 2013 Bowman Draft. They lied about Harper saying he was going to sign his cards. They sent Harper duplicate cards to sign from the same set, He wouldn't sign anymore. I am sure he knows the price of those cards, The orange , red purple, and the super!! THOUSANDS

Regardless of what Griffin's cards book for, you have to take into consideration Richardson is on the card as well. That brings the value down (it doesn't matter what Griffin books for by himself, period).

I'd see what cards they would offer you in replacement. If it's not something that you want, just hold off and wait until Griffin and/or Richardson are playing up to your expectations.

[DJP73]

A 1/1 laudry tag just sold for over 400.00 with blackmon on it with bad autos , the shield 1/1 would go for more!!. Even with richardson on it. Rg3 book cards sell for over 200.00 of this set. To offer me 500.00 in book value is like 200.00 in cash value. Anybody on here that would not pay 200.00 for 1/1 shield auto of rg3 is crazy. Theres to many kids, and haters on this forum , i should have never posted. Just thought people would like to know in case they had any trents redemptions.

[Stat Monsters]

RG3 has 2 seasons under his belt, one great one, and one where he came off of injury.

Richardson similarly, but forget about the injury excuse, but in the same breath just 'cuz 2013 didn't produce lofty stats, they're far from washed up bums.

They're both getting starting line up chances next season, so I'd still cut them some slack. It took Reggie Bush a few years to get his groove on, 'tho from a card collector's standpoint I do understand and see the whole "what have you done for me lately" short attention span where everyone is clamoring to speculate on "the next _____" and already scouting the 2014 draft class, writing off the 2013 class and their predecessors who aren't in the Top 5. The only exception it seems where there's a bit of patience are for benchwarming QB's who have not seen any action based on hopes, prayers and dreams potential like Brock O @ Denver for example.

I think this RG3/Richardson card is a great card, 'tho personally I don't really like dual autos that don't have any really good relevance (for this I get it, they're both from the 2012 draft class). I like tandem autos if the players are on the same pro team, came out of the same college/university, plays the same position, or has some really direct association to one another, otherwise the randomness of pairings seems bizarre.

[Herr Sparkz]

Not sure if you were calling me a kid because of what I posted, but I'm definitely not a kid.

For me personally, I wouldn't look at a 1/1 shield differently than a 1/1 laundry tag. They're both 1/1's, more than likely from the same jersey. The Toon/Wilson 1/1 from Five Star sells for around 450 (yes, it sold for over 600 a couple times in the past month; but that consists of someone buying it for around 670 before the Super Bowl, more than likely hoping to sell it for more afterwards; then it's listed and sells for 660 but right away gets put up for a 1200+ BIN because it was more than likely shilled by the seller and no one bit).

I'm not taking a side either way, I'm just saying there's quite a bit that has to be taken into consideration. I'd personally just see what they'd give me and if it's not to my liking, hold off.

[DJP73]

The exact same card of Russell Wilson-Toon shield of this set sold for 1599.00 in 2012, I know I was bidding on it.

[jlzinck]

The exact same card of Russell Wilson-Toon shield of this set sold for 1599.00 in 2012, I know I was bidding on it.

Hi it's 2014 now.:flex:

[bigsmitt92]

if you are worried about the price of the card, why dont you just wait for the redempetion to be signed.

[DJP73]

I was told that Trent is not signing his cards. I'm not worried, I will wait it it out, because unlike all the people on this forum I believe RG3 will have a great year coming up, and value will go back up. People wrote off Cam Newton also 2 years ago!!

[bigsmitt92]

That sucks if he doesnt sign. I have a 3 sterling balck autos of rg3 /50 I have bee setting on since last year, sucks when they dont sign