How much does AD stuff come down this offseason?

[thenwhatjk]

I thought about posting this a few days prior to that27guy's amazing AD showoff thread, so take this as completely separate from that. I see these as the three general answers to my question (didn't feel like making a poll)-

A. AD stuff will come down quite a bit this offseason due to the fact that everything, no matter what, comes down quite a bit then, then also factor in the incoming amazing draft class

B. AD stuff will hold steady more than stuff normally does, thanks to the crazy upside he's shown this season

C. AD stuff will actually continue to sneak up in value over the offseason due to the fact that his high end is quickly getting tucked away by both collectors and flippers alike, plus the fact that people might start thinking about what his ceiling might be value wise if they're a playoff team next year


Opinions?

[WaiverWire]

I'm going to go with (A) that it comes down this off-season and when the 2015 rookie class cards start coming out.

[IkeThis]

I'm going to go with (A) that it comes down this off-season and when the 2015 rookie class cards start coming out.

I agree, although I won some real nice high end Anthony Davis. For the most part , in all off seasons cards seem to settle and rise once the new season takes off

[IkeThis]

correction *own

[inopethflames]

i dont think the average card goes down 'quite a bit' in the summer. the avg card goes down somewhat. i think his cards will hold pretty steady for the most part. plus the good thing about this summer is i think team usa has to play in whatever the tournament is this summer, ad will probably be on the team, and basketball will get a little more focus here than on a summer with no team usa stuff.

it feels like the great stuff of his from immaculate, nt rap's, and flawless, makes it so there are always great cards of him available. that stuff wont drop too much, lower end autos will probably drop a little. nothing is going to drop from like $100 to $50 then go back up to $100 once the season starts.

[mrlaker]

i think his stuff has peaked until he combines team success with his amazing individual play, which will be soon enough imo.

[blackmarkers]

i dont know if AD is the right guy to buy into... i think his team will do much better next season, but as you know performance on the court doesnt mean he will get hobby love

during the playoffs and off season, you won't hear much about him and all the hype and attention will be on the new rooks.. what would even drive a spike in sales down the road

plus, i dont think he has a superstar type quality about him.. i dont know how likeable and marketable he is.. he doesnt stand out.... for international collectors who are much more disconnected from the game, what kinda noise would AD have to make to get attention in china, australia, canada, etc.. a 20/10 guy on a weak team.. smaller market.. with a horrible team name (although i like the colors).. who cares... people around the world dont want a pelicans/AD jersey

but really... its hard to invest in ANY guy.. the way the market is now.. we are overpaying from the get go.. there is no more buy low sell high... its buy high and pray

i really only see his stuff coming down (off season or not) unless he moves to a big market, starts winning and has a personality people can get behind

[drobfan8]

AD has a lot of fans in Australia, but with him being so expensive, none pc him.

Will he come down in price??? I think 100% yes. But mainly because his prices are extortionate.

But he will get better and better.

His prices are crazy and he has a lot of Autos out there, plus he is signing again for Panini which will help prices come down.

He's going to be very likeable worldwide and will be a superstar (barring serious injury) so that is not in question.

If he stays with the Pels and takes them to incredible heights which he might be capable of, then watch out, but only way is down for mine.

I hate how people bring in crap like "investment". Whilst I buy cards that I hope will hold value, I don't collect for investment purposes. Buzz off.

[Bradforddorman]

I personally see him going down. I think the peak of the craze was about 2 weeks ago. I got $500 for a card that I purchased at auction 3 weeks prior for $270. I have the option to purchase that same card from another seller for $400 currently. I think be has already started to cool down slightly, and hope that he does some more during the off season.

[bradsholly]

obviously haven't been paying attention to BKB this year who the ef is AD?

[Yaga]

Option A for sure... I think one of the biggest factors is that there are just SOOO many AD rookie autos out there!! They flooded it big time with him last year.

[Rabie1]

As an average (prices over the whole season) the high end stuff will barely drop. Compared to 2-3 weeks ago, yes it will drop. People are loading up on the kid and making a thread every time he blocks a shot to hype him then sell off his cards.

[Bradforddorman]

As an average (prices over the whole season) the high end stuff will barely drop. Compared to 2-3 weeks ago, yes it will drop. People are loading up on the kid and making a thread every time he blocks a shot to hype him then sell off his cards.

Even as a collector and a Pelicans fan, the prices last 2-3 weeks were so crazy that I unloaded almost everything that I had of him. I am hoping I can pick up a few high end autos this off season for 20-30% less than what his stuff is going for currently(which I believe is possible). I do believe that the super rare stuff(flawless diamond base /20, Flawless Auto /25, etc) will be hard to get during the off season, simply because so many people overpaid drastically the last 3 weeks and will not want to unload unless they come across hard times and need some cash.

[rauchand]

I'm not sure but I have an Immaculate Jumbo Patch auto /75 that I can't decide on whether or not to list it now

[UltimateDeron]

I personally see him going down. I think the peak of the craze was about 2 weeks ago. I got $500 for a card that I purchased at auction 3 weeks prior for $270. I have the option to purchase that same card from another seller for $400 currently. I think be has already started to cool down slightly, and hope that he does some more during the off season.

That's because he hasn't played a game since then...

[realreodeal]

obviously haven't been paying attention to BKB this year who the ef is AD?

Andre Drummond:devil:

[preakness]

was wondering why people cared about Adrian dantley

[the27guy]

His stuff is going to drop like a rock. If I had anything high end of his, I'd definitely go put it on eBay right now with a BIN of about 50% of what his stuff has been selling for. Who cares if he's only 21 and considered by some a top 3 or 4 player in the league? Who cares if some experts have him tabbed as the best player in the league in 5 years. Who cares if some of Kyrie's cards are STILL worth more than him. The time to panic is now and that means sell!


Sell him now and sell cheap!

[Rabie1]

His stuff is going to drop like a rock. If I had anything high end of his, I'd definitely go put it on eBay right now with a BIN of about 50% of what his stuff has been selling for. Who cares if he's only 21 and considered by some a top 3 or 4 player in the league? Who cares if some experts have him tabbed as the best player in the league in 5 years. Who cares if some of Kyrie's cards are STILL worth more than him. The time to panic is now and that means sell!


Sell him now and sell cheap!

You cannot be a top 3-4 player in the league and not even be close to making the playoffs. He has a future, defiantly. But top 3-4 players in the league? lol.

I watched some of his games this season in which he put up monstrous numbers. But hey, a lot of players did on crap teams this season as well. Hell, Nick Young dropped 40 last night. Afflalo did not make the All-Star team this year because he is putting big number on a crap teams. AD is doing the same right now.

Edit: And i still think Irving, if he gets a proper team and coach around him, will have a better future in the game AND in the hobby.

[airball]

I think A.D numbers would be even better in a better team. I think he is the best player in the league since... 2007 Durant IMO

He will be top 3.

[Rabie1]

I think A.D numbers would be even better in a better team. I think he is the best player in the league since... 2007 Durant IMO

He will be top 3.

How will his numbers be better if he was on a better team? i am not arguing, i am just curious to see why you would think that.

[airball]

How will his numbers be better if he was on a better team? i am not arguing, i am just curious to see why you would think that.

For example... with CP3 (assist...)

Undefeated!

[WaiverWire]

You cannot be a top 3-4 player in the league and not even be close to making the playoffs. He has a future, defiantly. But top 3-4 players in the league? lol.

I watched some of his games this season in which he put up monstrous numbers. But hey, a lot of players did on crap teams this season as well. Hell, Nick Young dropped 40 last night. Afflalo did not make the All-Star team this year because he is putting big number on a crap teams. AD is doing the same right now.

Edit: And i still think Irving, if he gets a proper team and coach around him, will have a better future in the game AND in the hobby.

All due respect, you are wrong. Michael Jordan in his 2nd year was destined to be a top 3-4 player eventually and the 1985-86 Bulls still finished 30-52. 1985-86 Chicago Bulls Schedule and Results | Basketball-Reference.com (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/1986_games.html)
I'm not saying AD is the next MJ or anywhere close, but to think that superstars always make the playoffs is just flat out incorrect.

[Noah]

His stuff is going to drop like a rock. If I had anything high end of his, I'd definitely go put it on eBay right now with a BIN of about 50% of what his stuff has been selling for. Who cares if he's only 21 and considered by some a top 3 or 4 player in the league? Who cares if some experts have him tabbed as the best player in the league in 5 years. Who cares if some of Kyrie's cards are STILL worth more than him. The time to panic is now and that means sell!


Sell him now and sell cheap!

I agree with you even if you think you are being sarcastic. Sell now and sell cheap because in a couple months he will be like Bynum, Bogut, Howard, Oden, and will be bouncing off all types of injuries and teams and nobody in their right mind will pay 10% than so take 50% and run far far away.

[LincecumPC]

I think his stuff comes down a little but you won't see much of his higher end stuff pop up for reasonable prices in the offseason, so his prices won't come down a ton. I do think he will be top 5 soon but you have to be careful he doesn't fall into the Kevin Love category, where you produce huge numbers on a mediocre team. Love was super hot last year, has come back well from his injuries to produce huge numbers again, but has not really risen in value this year, sans the first couple weeks of the season.

Conclusion- diversify your collection.

[Rabie1]

All due respect, you are wrong. Michael Jordan in his 2nd year was destined to be a top 3-4 player eventually and the 1985-86 Bulls still finished 30-52. 1985-86 Chicago Bulls Schedule and Results | Basketball-Reference.com (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/1986_games.html)
I'm not saying AD is the next MJ or anywhere close, but to think that superstars always make the playoffs is just flat out incorrect.

All due respect. He did not say he is destined to be a top 3-4 player. he said it is believed he is CURRENTLY a top 3-4 player. Pretty sure the top 5 players in the league can at least make the playoffs this year, ya?

[the27guy]

All due respect. He did not say he is destined to be a top 3-4 player. he said it is believed he is CURRENTLY a top 3-4 player. Pretty sure the top 5 players in the league can at least make the playoffs this year, ya?

I think he's a top 3-4 player now. NOW. You look at how he's played the last 2 months, as his coach and teammates are learning to play with him, and yes, I think he's been top 3-4 in the league. I do. His PG has been hurt forever and the next best player on the team is drum roll..... the great Tyreke Evans..... (cuz ya know, he's got lots of playoff experience) yet you're going to say that he has to be on a playoff team in the west to be a top 4 player in the league?

Dallas looks like it won't be making the playoffs in the west with a top 10 guy, Dirk, a whole bunch of tried and tested vets and a championship coach. Heck, until last night the Warriors who have LOADS of talent weren't really assured of making the playoffs. Remember this.... good TEAMS have success, and the west is filled with GOOD TEAMS. The Pelicans, outside of their number one guy, are a TERRIBLE team.

Top 4 players in the league NOW....


1. Durant
2. Lebron
3-5 (in some order) Blake, Noah, and Davis.

Who am I missing? Somebody from the Spurs? Who? Harden? Steph Curry? CP3?

Sorry guys, but I'm not taking any of those guys over how well Davis playing right now.... You might talk me into #5.... but I think he's better than all those other guys NOW..... and he's only 21.

But back to my original point.... please let me know if you have any really high end stuff that you'd like to offload before his value sharply decreases this off season :)

[Bradforddorman]

That's because he hasn't played a game since then...

So strictly because he left one game early, and sat out one game, a card that I sold for $500 can now be purchased for $400? So sitting out a game results in a 20% decrees in value? I don't think it's that simple. I think in 5 months, when we look back, you will see that his cards peaked this season sometime around March 20th-25th. I personally think that these cards will eventually be worth more than they sold for during this period... but I also think that he will cool off some during the off season. It happens in every sport. The off season is the worst time to sell and the best time to buy.

[EMD34]

I think he's a top 3-4 player now. NOW. You look at how he's played the last 2 months, as his coach and teammates are learning to play with him, and yes, I think he's been top 3-4 in the league. I do. His PG has been hurt forever and the next best player on the team is drum roll..... the great Tyreke Evans..... (cuz ya know, he's got lots of playoff experience) yet you're going to say that he has to be on a playoff team in the west to be a top 4 player in the league?

Dallas looks like it won't be making the playoffs in the west with a top 10 guy, Dirk, a whole bunch of tried and tested vets and a championship coach. Heck, until last night the Warriors who have LOADS of talent weren't really assured of making the playoffs. Remember this.... good TEAMS have success, and the west is filled with GOOD TEAMS. The Pelicans, outside of their number one guy, are a TERRIBLE team.

Top 4 players in the league NOW....


1. Durant
2. Lebron
3-5 (in some order) Blake, Noah, and Davis.

Who am I missing? Somebody from the Spurs? Who? Harden? Steph Curry? CP3?

Sorry guys, but I'm not taking any of those guys over how well Davis playing right now.... You might talk me into #5.... but I think he's better than all those other guys NOW..... and he's only 21.

But back to my original point.... please let me know if you have any really high end stuff that you'd like to offload before his value sharply decreases this off season :)

I'm a pretty big AD fan too, but I don't think he's a top 3 player (or even really that close to being one) right now. (Also Noah is not close to being in the top 5).

[thenwhatjk]

I'm a pretty big AD fan too, but I don't think he's a top 3 player (or even really that close to being one) right now. (Also Noah is not close to being in the top 5).

Maybe not, but in a re-drafting the league type scenario, I could see him being #3

[EMD34]

Maybe not, but in a re-drafting the league type scenario, I could see him being #3

Yeah definitely.

[the27guy]

Maybe not, but in a re-drafting the league type scenario, I could see him being #3

This is a great point... and probably the best said sentence in the thread. Where does he rank right now? We all disagree. But it's becoming more and more universal that if you redrafted the league right now, he's probably your #3 pick.

[topbasketballfa]

He at age 21, has an even higher PER than Lebron at that age. His PER is already top 5 in the league now. Why PER important, top 5 PER of all time, Jordan, Lebron, Shaq, Robinson, Wilt. He does it on both ends of the floor. Scored 20+ points without a point guard. In fact, the PG for Pelicans is bottom 5 (since Holiday's been injured). Likely MIP, maybe DPOY. i dont see his high-ends, rare cards tanking. this year's rookie class is atrocious. who's lining up to get Anthony Bennett NT, Immaculate. or ok, oladipo and MCW. seriously these two over, a Kyrie, Lillard, Davis or Beal of last year?

Top 3 most untouchable, untradeable player in the league now --- 1. Durant, 2. Lebron (not 1 cuz opting out and big three coming to a close), 3. AD

[Rabie1]

I think he's a top 3-4 player now. NOW. You look at how he's played the last 2 months, as his coach and teammates are learning to play with him, and yes, I think he's been top 3-4 in the league. I do. His PG has been hurt forever and the next best player on the team is drum roll..... the great Tyreke Evans..... (cuz ya know, he's got lots of playoff experience) yet you're going to say that he has to be on a playoff team in the west to be a top 4 player in the league?

Dallas looks like it won't be making the playoffs in the west with a top 10 guy, Dirk, a whole bunch of tried and tested vets and a championship coach. Heck, until last night the Warriors who have LOADS of talent weren't really assured of making the playoffs. Remember this.... good TEAMS have success, and the west is filled with GOOD TEAMS. The Pelicans, outside of their number one guy, are a TERRIBLE team.

Top 4 players in the league NOW....


1. Durant
2. Lebron
3-5 (in some order) Blake, Noah, and Davis.

Who am I missing? Somebody from the Spurs? Who? Harden? Steph Curry? CP3?

Sorry guys, but I'm not taking any of those guys over how well Davis playing right now.... You might talk me into #5.... but I think he's better than all those other guys NOW..... and he's only 21.

But back to my original point.... please let me know if you have any really high end stuff that you'd like to offload before his value sharply decreases this off season :)

CP3, Curry, Harden, Howard and the list is pretty long. He won what, 30 games this season? The guys mentioned above have been doing it for a few years now. A few high end cards u bought of Davis hoping to profit off in a few seasons does not change facts.

Do not get all hyped up. Your "investment" is safe even if you do not make posts like this.

[the27guy]

CP3, Curry, Harden, Howard and the list is pretty long. He won what, 30 games this season? The guys mentioned above have been doing it for a few years now. A few high end cards u bought of Davis hoping to profit off in a few seasons does not change facts.

Do not get all hyped up. Your "investment" is safe even if you do not make posts like this.

Checken or the egg.... I bought the cards because I feel the way that's stated above. You're free to have your opinion, but I don't think any of those guys you just mentioned are playing better ball than Davis. Sorry, I just don't.

[Rabie1]

Checken or the egg.... I bought the cards because I feel the way that's stated above. You're free to have your opinion, but I don't think any of those guys you just mentioned are playing better ball than Davis. Sorry, I just don't.

Curry is carrying his team without his starting center and PF to the playoffs right now.
CP3 and Griffin have the Clips near the top of the league.
LA is on course to winning 50+ games with the Blazers this season with a crappy inconsistent bench.
Noah? Enough said.
Duncan and Parker have the Spurs top of the league at the moment.
PG24 minus the last poor form have been lighting it up all season.

Not even close pal. I do not care what stats say (PER, plus minus, or whatever crap they come up with to justify any point those experts want to make). If he was the no.3 player in the league, his team will be playing for homecourt advantage in the playoffs right now and not in the lottery with a record close to the Lakers.

[topbasketballfa]

hard to argue he's a top 3 player (outside of his stats) now. but hard to argue he's not in a couple of years. as of now, GM would take him 3rd - 6th to start a franchise. durant at his 2nd/3rd year not top 5 either, as it was kobe, lebron, duncan, wade, nash during that time. but my, how's durant doing? jordan too was not considered top over magic/bird until his 3rd-6th year and then they say he wasn't until he won at least 2 rings. upside/potential for davis is huge.

[Rabie1]

hard to argue he's a top 3 player (outside of his stats) now. but hard to argue he's not in a couple of years. as of now, GM would take him 3rd - 6th to start a franchise. durant at his 2nd/3rd year not top 5 either, as it was kobe, lebron, duncan, wade, nash during that time. but my, how's durant doing? jordan too was not considered top over magic/bird until his 3rd-6th year and then they say he wasn't until he won at least 2 rings. upside/potential for davis is huge.

Yup. In a few years he will be a top 5 player in the league and the best big man in the game if he avoids injuries - i never argued that, so i agree with you.

[SacGWYNN19]

I think he's a top 3-4 player now. NOW. You look at how he's played the last 2 months, as his coach and teammates are learning to play with him, and yes, I think he's been top 3-4 in the league. I do. His PG has been hurt forever and the next best player on the team is drum roll..... the great Tyreke Evans..... (cuz ya know, he's got lots of playoff experience) yet you're going to say that he has to be on a playoff team in the west to be a top 4 player in the league?

Dallas looks like it won't be making the playoffs in the west with a top 10 guy, Dirk, a whole bunch of tried and tested vets and a championship coach. Heck, until last night the Warriors who have LOADS of talent weren't really assured of making the playoffs. Remember this.... good TEAMS have success, and the west is filled with GOOD TEAMS. The Pelicans, outside of their number one guy, are a TERRIBLE team.

Top 4 players in the league NOW....


1. Durant
2. Lebron
3-5 (in some order) Blake, Noah, and Davis.

Who am I missing? Somebody from the Spurs? Who? Harden? Steph Curry? CP3?

Sorry guys, but I'm not taking any of those guys over how well Davis playing right now.... You might talk me into #5.... but I think he's better than all those other guys NOW..... and he's only 21.

But back to my original point.... please let me know if you have any really high end stuff that you'd like to offload before his value sharply decreases this off season :)

Cousins has owned Davis in all four matchups this year....just saying.

[the27guy]

Cousins has owned Davis in all four matchups this year....just saying.

You are 100% correct! Question.... does that make Cousins a better player?

[nissandriver77]

I'm a pretty big AD fan too, but I don't think he's a top 3 player (or even really that close to being one) right now. (Also Noah is not close to being in the top 5).

Lol I was thinking the exact same thing , Noah top five ???? Does that guy know anything about basketball???????

[blackmarkers]

Lol I was thinking the exact same thing , Noah top five ???? Does that guy know anything about basketball???????

Wouldnt surprise me if the next "mailday" thread is a bunch of noah cards

5th best player ever! From the best product ever!! And the rarest 1/1 of all 1/1s ever made!!!!

I also got 5 bucks on his AD thread turning into a "price tracking" one lol

[thenwhatjk]

Wouldnt surprise me if the next "mailday" thread is a bunch of noah cards

5th best player ever! From the best product ever!! And the rarest 1/1 of all 1/1s ever made!!!!

I also got 5 bucks on his AD thread turning into a "price tracking" one lol

Pumping a set and pumping a player are like apples and gym shoes though

[Rabie1]

Wouldnt surprise me if the next "mailday" thread is a bunch of noah cards

5th best player ever! From the best product ever!! And the rarest 1/1 of all 1/1s ever made!!!!

I also got 5 bucks on his AD thread turning into a "price tracking" one lol

I couldn't have bashed it better myself. Thanks.

Search through threads made by many of these pump and dumb guys and all you will see is questions about "investments" and then come the mail days. I feel bad for the real Davis fans..

[the27guy]

I couldn't have bashed it better myself. Thanks.

Search through threads made by many of these pump and dumb guys and all you will see is questions about "investments" and then come the mail days. I feel bad for the real Davis fans..

Man.... pretty darn harsh....

Good luck to ya.

[drobfan8]

You cannot be a top 3-4 player in the league and not even be close to making the playoffs. He has a future, defiantly. But top 3-4 players in the league? lol.

I watched some of his games this season in which he put up monstrous numbers. But hey, a lot of players did on crap teams this season as well. Hell, Nick Young dropped 40 last night. Afflalo did not make the All-Star team this year because he is putting big number on a crap teams. AD is doing the same right now.

Edit: And i still think Irving, if he gets a proper team and coach around him, will have a better future in the game AND in the hobby.

You can if you're a 2nd year player, this guy is incredible.

Don't forget, the Pels were in the playoff hunt until they had a horrible run of injuries.

Anderson gone for most of the year.

AD, Jrue, Gordon and Tyreke have all missed significant time.

Next year, this team will be in the playoffs, they're not the Wolves. Plenty of talent and they'll be great to watch when healthy.

Oh and you're dreaming about Kyrie being better than AD, no way. But I won't be surprised if Kyrie's cards sell for more than AD. I think they'll both be great though.

Is AD hyped? Yes, way too much, but he's legit.

[dasiegel]

i think his stuff has peaked until he combines team success with his amazing individual play, which will be soon enough imo.

This and the answer is A. It just always is A. It can be some of B but NEVER C. I have had a lot of trouble deciding what to do with my Davis auto cards. My heart says keep them and buy more in August. My head says sell now and buy more in August.