Bowman Lucky Redemptions...Kris Bryant

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LUCKY REDEMPTION HOLDERS TO RECEIVE KRIS BRYANT REFRACTOR AUTOGRAPH


Topps is pleased to announce that collectors holding any 2014 Bowman Lucky Redemption (1, 2, 3, 4 or 5) will receive the Kris Bryant Autographed Refractor card. (image attached)
Bryant, one of the game’s most highly touted prospects, is absolutely crushing AA pitching and an arrival at Wrigley field looks to be just a matter of time.

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[Keyser Soze]

So THAT'S where Bigfoot went!!

[Soxrule111]

Wow........

[death2redemptions]

That's good news! Puts the value of them at nearly $600

[dbacksfan4life]

:eek::eek: The BIGFOOT!!!!!

[Keyser Soze]

That's good news! Puts the value of them at nearly $600

If you really think that, there's a $329 BIN on eBay right now. You'll also get a Julio Urias boxloader auto.


EDIT: Nevermind, it already sold, i guess I should have hit it.

[Ajax1723]

Wow, huge news. Makes perfect sense, but little upset that they weren't entered into packs.

[Diamondjake]

SWEEEEET, Pulled one of these out of retail! Yeah baby!

[oldgoldy97]

So are his cards ready to be shipped? Or are those mock ups?

[death2redemptions]

If you really think that, there's a $329 BIN on eBay right now. You'll also get a Julio Urias boxloader auto.

I just realized that these will actually be less rare than the base (400 copies vs. 500) so the value would actually be a tad less than the base auto. So probably around $400ish.

[Mattsurewood]

Clever trickery by Topps, and a nice surprise to collectors..well done.

[death2redemptions]

So are his cards ready to be shipped? Or are those mock ups?

Those aren't mock ups so I assume they will be shipping them out soon.

[msterling21]

I wonder if they will be numbered?

[death2redemptions]

I wonder if they will be numbered?

They better be. All the other refractor autographs are.

[lambeauleap87]

This makes it seem to me like Topps dropped the ball somewhere along the line. Guess it works out for collectors though.

[Andrew Jones]

This makes it seem to me like Topps dropped the ball somewhere along the line. Guess it works out for collectors though.

Uh huh. I'm not sure why people who busted the product aren't outraged that Topps held back the Bryant refractor autos instead of packing them out.

[raidersfan1983]

Uh huh. I'm not sure why people who busted the product aren't outraged that Topps held back the Bryant refractor autos instead of packing them out.

Seriously pisses me off but wtf are we gonna do about it...

[Jaypers]

Plot twist.

[calculusdork]

Great, now we have some upstanding members digging up threads in B/S/T from this morning all the way back to two weeks ago saying "I'll take this" on Lucky Redemptions.

Seriously people, what good does it do to gain the world and lose your soul ...

[bradical]

Game. Set. Match.

[Andrew Jones]

Seriously pisses me off but wtf are we gonna do about it...

One word: lawsuite. :D

[rob11nats]

Uh huh. I'm not sure why people who busted the product aren't outraged that Topps held back the Bryant refractor autos instead of packing them out.

Why does it matter? In effect they did pack them out in the form of redemptions just like every other Kris Bryant auto in the product. They just didn't announce it until a bit later. The only people who could be upset are the people who sold them before the announcement, but then again that's the risk you take with redemption cards for "a player to be named later."

[Kchance13]

Old threads being bumped saying they will take the lucky redemption. If the seller agrees to sell it for that price then so be it, but I would hate to see sellers forced into selling them for a price they put up days, weeks ago. Just my 2 cents

Kevin

[TarjetasBéisbol]

Great, now we have some upstanding members digging up threads in B/S/T from this morning all the way back to two weeks ago saying "I'll take this" on Lucky Redemptions.

Seriously people, what good does it do to gain the world and lose your soul ...

Old threads being bumped saying they will take the lucky redemption. If the seller agrees to sell it for that price then so be it, but I would hate to see sellers forced into selling them for a price they put up days, weeks ago. Just my 2 cents

Kevin

They smelled blood in the water...it's like sharks. Just follow the threads and you will see the people to avoid on BO because they will do whatever they can to make a few bucks....real sad.

[rob11nats]

Old threads being bumped saying they will take the lucky redemption. If the seller agrees to sell it for that price then so be it, but I would hate to see sellers forced into selling them for a price they put up days, weeks ago. Just my 2 cents

Kevin

Yeah, I'm with you on that. Ebay is a different story though.

[Cliffroach]

Sold mine on eBay for $300. Not terribly upset about it, and there is nothing I could do about it if I was.

[tiger221166]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t4SUOn9WOU

[lambeauleap87]

Great, now we have some upstanding members digging up threads in B/S/T from this morning all the way back to two weeks ago saying "I'll take this" on Lucky Redemptions.

Seriously people, what good does it do to gain the world and lose your soul ...

At least it gives me a list of people to add to the list of members not to deal with under any circumstances.

[Kchance13]

Yeah, I'm with you on that. Ebay is a different story though.

yes, when cards are claimed on ebay the deal is final and the sellers should proceed with the deal. As much as I wouldnt want sellers to be forced into a deal that isnt finalized with payment, I would also hate to see sellers try and back out of deals that are final. Im sure plenty of both will happen in the next few days.

Kevin

[Andrew Jones]

Why does it matter? In effect they did pack them out in the form of redemptions just like every other Kris Bryant auto in the product. They just didn't announce it until a bit later. The only people who could be upset are the people who sold them before the announcement, but then again that's the risk you take with redemption cards for "a player to be named later."

It matters because people who bought and busted the product expected to have a chance to pull all of the Bryant autos, including all of the parallels produced, as well as the Lucky Redemptions based on the sell sheet. Maybe next year Topps will do this with all the superfractors or the entire print run of one of the prospect autos they advertised on the sell sheet to get people to buy and bust their product.

[bradical]

I was tipped off this was going to be the case on Monday, I picked up a few Lucky Redemptions - some off eBay, some off other sites - I will be surprised if I see any of them.

[calculusdork]

I was tipped off this was going to be the case on Monday, I picked up a few Lucky Redemptions - some off eBay, some off other sites - I will be surprised if I see any of them.

Prepared to be torched for this, LOL :D

[Diamondjake]

I was tipped off this was going to be the case on Monday, I picked up a few Lucky Redemptions - some off eBay, some off other sites - I will be surprised if I see any of them.

Insider trading! lol

[Freewheelburnin]

Why does it matter? In effect they did pack them out in the form of redemptions just like every other Kris Bryant auto in the product. They just didn't announce it until a bit later. The only people who could be upset are the people who sold them before the announcement, but then again that's the risk you take with redemption cards for "a player to be named later."

Exactly. The people being whine bags are those who sold them already.

[bradical]

Prepared to be torched for this, LOL :D

I tried to drop the hint around here yesterday, but got lit up in my thread about creating fake cards.

So, I walked away.

[Jaypers]

Has the print run for each of the Lucky redemptions been figured out by our resident math experts yet?

[msterling21]

I hope the flood drives down prices of the colored. I need a gold for a decent price.

[armyatc22]

Blowout needs something showing the top searches of the day

Without a doubt Lucky redemption would have jumped to the top lol

[Freewheelburnin]

Sold mine on eBay for $300. Not terribly upset about it, and there is nothing I could do about it if I was.

Rationality on these boards! I didn't know it existed. Glad it does.

[mikecamp99]

Not that it matters as nothing can be done, but how about all the people in group breaks who had the cubs or Kris Bryant autos specifically? How many Lucky redemptions were pulled vs. Kris Bryant redemptions from the 100 caser? Pretty sure there were more. I know I would be superbly pissed as technically those autos should have been for the Bryant winner.

[calculusdork]

I tried to drop the hint around here yesterday, but got lit up in my thread about creating fake cards.

So, I walked away.

Woooooooow

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[TarjetasBéisbol]

Has the print run for each of the Lucky redemptions been figured out by our resident math experts yet?

100 per lucky redemption x 5 lucky redemptions = 500

[bradical]

Has the print run for each of the Lucky redemptions been figured out by our resident math experts yet?

That'd be 100.

5 Lucky Redemptions x 100 each. Also equates to the 500 Chrome Refractor Autos for Bryant.

[calculusdork]

Has the print run for each of the Lucky redemptions been figured out by our resident math experts yet?

According to my high-tech computers, there will be -7284 refractor autos of Kris Bryant.

[rob11nats]

It matters because people who bought and busted the product expected to have a chance to pull all of the Bryant autos, including all of the parallels produced, as well as the Lucky Redemptions based on the sell sheet. Maybe next year Topps will do this with all the superfractors or the entire print run of one of the prospect autos they advertised on the sell sheet to get people to buy and bust their product.

You're not entitled to a Bryant refractor auto (or the chance of one) by virtue of buying a box or case or ten. Topps is well within their rights to short print certain players because they don't make any guarantees as to which players will have which parallels.

[awz50]

Woooooooow

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This is to amazing!

[calculusdork]

100 per lucky redemption x 5 lucky redemptions = 500

That'd be 100.

5 Lucky Redemptions x 100 each. Also equates to the 500 Chrome Refractor Autos for Bryant.

I'm assuming he was being facetious ...

[Andrew Jones]

Exactly. The people being whine bags are those who sold them already.

Nice name calling and false assumption. I never had one so I certainly never sold one. I just think this stinks to high heaven because Topps held cards back from a product that were used to get people to buy the product and is now distributing those cards in lieu of other cards. I hope they include some Vaseline with each shipment.

[Andrew Jones]

You're not entitled to a Bryant refractor auto (or the chance of one) by virtue of buying a box or case or ten. Topps is well within their rights to short print certain players because they don't make any guarantees as to which players will have which parallels.

The sell sheet advertised 500 serially numbered refractor autos of each chrome prospect autograph and Kris Bryant was pictured on the sell sheet at having a prospect auto in the set. If they were made, they should have been in the product as advertised. That seems pretty cut and dry to me.

[Jaypers]

Nice name calling and false assumption. I never had one so I certainly never sold one. I just think this stinks to high heaven because Topps held cards back from a product that were used to get people to buy the product and is now distributing those cards in lieu of other cards. I hope they include some Vaseline with each shipment.

It's not the first time a certain parallel never made it into packs of a Bowman product, and there's no way to prove Topps did it intentionally.

Besides that, which would you rather have - five different rookie autographs of players who may or may not sign their cards anytime soon, or (by far) the hottest prospect in the entire product?

[Freewheelburnin]

Nice name calling and false assumption. I never had one so I certainly never sold one. I just think this stinks to high heaven because Topps held cards back from a product that were used to get people to buy the product and is now distributing those cards in lieu of other cards. I hope they include some Vaseline with each shipment.

Call it how I see it. I'm wrong on you selling one sorry. You're still whining though. Like you personally were entitled to something.

[centereacan06]

Makes everyone happy, except those who either sold the redemption or didn't buy the redemption not knowing who the player would be haha.

[Andrew Jones]

It's not the first time a certain parallel never made it into packs of a Bowman product, and there's no way to prove Topps did it intentionally.

Besides that, which would you rather have - five different rookie autographs of players who may or may not sign their cards anytime soon, or (by far) the hottest prospect in the entire product?

Has it ever happened with one of the main guys used to sell the product on the sell sheet? I understand what you're saying, but at best this was a colossal mistake by Topps leaving out the Bryant refractor autos and at worse it is fraud. Either way, Topps deserves some heat instead of blind praise.

[Bigeazy78]

Now that we have this information will the breakers on this site still keep the "lucky redemption" in the High Risk spot or should all of them that are pulled go to whoever picks the Bryant Auto spot for that particular break?

[scfdff]

While Lucky Redemption holders are probably happy due to value of this card, and non-holders are unhappy that they invested in a product that didn't offer them a chance at all the cards they thought they had a chance at, I think this is incredible laziness on the part of Topps. Now they don't have to go through the work of signing 5 guys to autograph contracts and getting the cards signed, and instead can just use cards that were already supposed to be part of the original production run. I think it is another case of Topps making a lazy and cost-cutting decision.

[Jaypers]

Has it ever happened with one of the main guys used to sell the product on the sell sheet? I understand what you're saying, but at best this was a colossal mistake by Topps leaving out the Bryant refractor autos and at worse it is fraud. Either way, Topps deserves some heat instead of blind praise.

To me, it looks as though Topps realized their mistake after packing out the Bryant redemptions and decided to remedy it via the Lucky Redemption program, especially after seeing how much they've increased since release.

There's nothing stopping them from creating more Lucky redemptions in Bowman Chrome later this year, redeemable for actual rookie autos. Besides, by that time they will obviously know who are the best sellers.

[gamboooler]

F ME TO TEARS.

[msterling21]

This is a ploy to sell their remaining stock

[bradical]

This is a shot to the face of the collectors who have been shelling out $400+ for the base redemptions.

[Ferg1945]

This is a shot to the face of the collectors who have been shelling out $400+ for the base redemptions.

Exactly.

Releasing 500 more autos will hurt the value of the "SSSSP'd" base redemption.

[Jaypers]

Exactly.

Releasing 500 more autos will hurt the value of the "SSSSP'd" base redemption.

Maybe I can finally afford one now.

[usualsuspect]

This is a ploy to sell their remaining stock

You really think they still have this product...

Not a chance.

[armyatc22]

Exactly.

Releasing 500 more autos will hurt the value of the "SSSSP'd" base redemption.

Well Base is /400 I think and these will be /500 so maybe but maybe not

[RollBamaRoll]

So it looks like these might start shipping soon???

[Cactuspies]

Has it ever happened with one of the main guys used to sell the product on the sell sheet? I understand what you're saying, but at best this was a colossal mistake by Topps leaving out the Bryant refractor autos and at worse it is fraud. Either way, Topps deserves some heat instead of blind praise.

2012 bowman chrome orange bryce harper right? I'm pretty sure there was a near lawsuite about it.

[RollBamaRoll]

2014 Bowman Baseball Lucky Redemption 3 Kris Bryant Auto Refractor 500 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2014-Bowman-Baseball-Lucky-Redemption-3-Kris-Bryant-Auto-Refractor-500-/161313422863?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item258f077e0f)

$300 BIN

[Bluemarlin528]

Well this sure makes my day!

[RollBamaRoll]

2014 Bowman Baseball Lucky Redemption 3 Kris Bryant Auto Refractor 500 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2014-Bowman-Baseball-Lucky-Redemption-3-Kris-Bryant-Auto-Refractor-500-/161313422863?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item258f077e0f)

$300 BIN

Well that lasted 2 minutes....:p

[Jaypers]

2014 Bowman Baseball Lucky Redemption 3 Kris Bryant Auto Refractor 500 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2014-Bowman-Baseball-Lucky-Redemption-3-Kris-Bryant-Auto-Refractor-500-/161313422863?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item258f077e0f)

$300 BIN

Thank you.

[RollBamaRoll]

Thank you.

Nice, did you snag that? :flex:

[lazygambler]

This is ridiculous, and I am with the other guy that said you all would not be reacting this way if it was for all of the superfractors in the set. Strait up ridiculous.

[Jaypers]

Nice, did you snag that? :flex:

Ah plead da fifth.

[calculusdork]

Ah plead da fifth.

Very nice man. I stared at it for a minute. :)

[Nutcracker33]

Very nice man. I stared at it for a minute. :)

lol me too

but whats the realistic value on these, if its indeed /500 ?, like 500-600 ?

[calculusdork]

lol me too

but whats the realistic value on these, if its indeed /500 ?, like 500-600 ?

Nah, if print run is indeed higher than base, probably $400.

[Coug46n2]

As someone who pulled #3 and sold it (for way less than today's value) I'm not happy, but I also understand this is the risk I run selling prior to the player being named. My logic was that past lucky redemptions were stickers (or at least some) and I do not like sticker autos. So I sold. Win some - lose some. Live to bust another day.

And yes, my PM's exploded when the news hit with potential buyers from my box break thread. Gotta love this hobby.

[calculusdork]

As someone who pulled #3 and sold it (for way less than today's value) I'm not happy, but I also understand this is the risk I run selling prior to the player being named. My logic was that past lucky redemptions were stickers (or at least some) and I do not like sticker autos. So I sold. Win some - lose some. Live to bust another day.

And yes, my PM's exploded when the news hit with potential buyers from my box break thread. Gotta love this hobby.

You told them that I was your friend looooooong before you came into the money, right? Right?!?!?

[bradical]

JP, I have been meaning to ask you:

Did you fall off the wagon and break some 2014 Bowman this year? It looked like from your eBay listings you had a bunch of it for sale.

[xbignick]

Great, now we have some upstanding members digging up threads in B/S/T from this morning all the way back to two weeks ago saying "I'll take this" on Lucky Redemptions.

Seriously people, what good does it do to gain the world and lose your soul ...

Reason I added my signature a couple weeks ago after Jose Abreu was revealed.

[Andrew Jones]

2012 bowman chrome orange bryce harper right? I'm pretty sure there was a near lawsuite about it.

That was different. Topps packed out the redemptions then claimed the card was never made. Eventually it was, but not after a bit of drama. In this case, the Bryant refractor auto redemptions were never packed out and I think that makes it worse from the perspective of anyone who bought and busted the product.

[Ajax1723]

lol me too

but whats the realistic value on these, if its indeed /500 ?, like 500-600 ?

Honestly, I would think around the same as a base auto, considering they have about the same print run.

[crazy4kinsler]

Man, I had this redemption and sold it about a week or so ago. That's about par. I sold mine for about $175 once I had to pay all those fees and shipping.

Thing is I had sold it for $275 for just the code (and that much IN MY POCKET) 10 days earlier But, the guy never responded and never paid (that's the last time I deal with him on here, but that's another story). So I wound up selling for 1/3 less.

[Cliffroach]

Honestly, I would think around the same as a base auto, considering they have about the same print run.

But will average collector know it's the same print run, or just see something shiny and #'d to 500?

[msterling21]

But will average collector know it's the same print run, or just see something shiny and #'d to 500?

Only time will tell!

[ichirorox]

On a side note - Can we all agree that the cards look pretty nice live? Nice bold auto without any streaks or bad marker issues. :)

[Coug46n2]

On a side note - Can we all agree that the cards look pretty nice live? Nice bold auto without any streaks or bad marker issues. :)

Oh sure, rub it in!! :p

[death2redemptions]

I guess I'm one of the few that likes the idea.

And for those breakers, why should those who had a Bryant spot get the mystery redemptions? The people who had the mystery redemption spot are the ones who should receive the mystery redemption.

In the past when the player of the mystery redemption is reveled it is not like those who had that player's spot are entitled to it. No, those who had the mystery redemption spot are the only ones who deserve it.

Since the base auto is selling for roughly $450 and are limited to about 400, then this mystery redemption should be valued somewhere around $375-$400 (with a print run of 500)

[wegoingsizzler]

Came back from the dentist and 6 offers on my thread 2 days ago...lol... Sold it on ebay for $220 that same day.... oh well.....

[xbignick]

Are you F*** kidding me? I knew something like this was going to happen. The guy that bought mine probably knew it too and that's why he wanted it for such a price. That's about par. I sold mine for about $175 once I had to pay all those fees and shipping.

Thing is I had sold it for $275 for just the code (and that much IN MY POCKET) 10 days earlier But, the guy never responded and never paid (that's the last time I deal with him on here, but that's another story). So I wound up selling for 1/3 less.

Did you leave the proper feedback?

[mikecamp99]

I guess I'm one of the few that likes the idea.

And for those breakers, why should those who had a Bryant spot get the mystery redemptions? The people who had the mystery redemption spot are the ones who should receive the mystery redemption.

In the past when the player of the mystery redemption is reveled it is not like those who had that player's spot are entitled to it. No, those who had the mystery redemption spot are the only ones who deserve it.

Since the base auto is selling for roughly $450 and are limited to about 400, then this mystery redemption should be valued somewhere around $375-$400 (with a print run of 500)

Well I don't think, at least IMO, those breakers who had Bryant should get the mystery redemptions, I'm just saying they should be just as pissed as anyone. These cards are exactly like every other BC auto Bryant is going to sign, it would be one thing if it is a different design, but it's not.

[tke96]

I think that this guy:
Lucky Redemptions & Ultimate Auto Book 1-100 $855 secbigazn
supplies/shipping/paypal fees 855 1 8.05 864.05 889.42

Is happy that his chunk of investment will actually turn out ok.

For those that say that the people who paid for the Bryant spot should get them, that is just like saying that they should get any other Bryant auto that falls into another spot. They paid for the Bryant autos that were pulled during the break. Somebody else paid for the possible Bryant (or other player) insert autos in other spots.

This is not the first time that Topps has thrown a curveball that throws off a massive break.....remember the mysterious black and silver waves?

Congrats to those who have the redemption.

Congrats to those who sold them and already made a profit (a bird in hand is better than....)

[crazy4kinsler]

I didn't leave any feedback as no money changed hands and nothing was lost, stolen or damaged.
Did you leave the proper feedback?

[hche]

My question is how many of those sold in the last 2 hours will get shipped by the seller. lol.

[RollBamaRoll]

I think that this guy:
Lucky Redemptions & Ultimate Auto Book 1-100 $855 secbigazn
supplies/shipping/paypal fees 855 1 8.05 864.05 889.42

Is happy that his chunk of investment will actually turn out ok.

For those that say that the people who paid for the Bryant spot should get them, that is just like saying that they should get any other Bryant auto that falls into another spot. They paid for the Bryant autos that were pulled during the break. Somebody else paid for the possible Bryant (or other player) insert autos in other spots.

This is not the first time that Topps has thrown a curveball that throws off a massive break.....remember the mysterious black and silver waves?

Congrats to those who have the redemption.

Congrats to those who sold them and already made a profit (a bird in hand is better than....)

This for sure.

Sucks for people that got in normal team case breaks where the Lucky Redemption was randomed to the room....:(

[Cactuspies]

Andrew Jones said:

That was different. Topps packed out the redemptions then claimed the card was never made. Eventually it was, but not after a bit of drama. In this case, the Bryant refractor auto redemptions were never packed out and I think that makes it worse from the perspective of anyone who bought and busted the product.

maybe they should have just held all 500 back and used them for replacements down the road.

or I think Brentandbecca are still waiting on some A&G strasburg mini's from 2010, not to mention eric hosmer and brett lawrie collectors who got shafted on print runs and colors in 2011 (I think it was 2011)

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[Sawmillthug]

My question is how many of those sold in the last 2 hours will get shipped by the seller. lol.

Zero. Suddenly was misplaced

[sportscardmania]

maybe they should have just held all 500 back and used them for replacements down the road.

or I think Brentandbecca are still waiting on some A&G strasburg mini's from 2010, not to mention eric hosmer and brett lawrie collectors who got shafted on print runs and colors in 2011 (I think it was 2011)

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Screw that guy. He blocked me from ebay after I paid and item got lost in the mail. Not my fault if he didn't insure it. I even messaged him recently and got no response.

[peterose4hof]

Hosts of group breaks can't do anything about breaks that have already happened or are already in progress, but I would think all the hosts would add the Lucky Redemptions to the Bryant Auto spot from here going forward.

[hermanotarjeta]

I feel sick. I pulled two of them and got $150 apiece...

[Redemption King]

I feel sick. I pulled two of them and got $150 apiece...

I sold mine for a cheap price as well. My bad for making a rash decision on who I thought the lucky redemptions players would of been, but then again prospecting is a huge gamble. I can just chalk this up as another bad prospecting decision.

Congrats to whoever got a steal on my redemption.

[hermanotarjeta]

I sold mine for a cheap price as well. My bad for making a rash decision on who I thought the lucky redemptions players would of been, but then again prospecting is a huge gamble. I can just chalk this up as another bad prospecting decision.

Congrats to whoever got a steal on my redemption.

This has nothing to do with prospecting.

It's just plain gambling, and trying to predict Topps.

Unfortunately, it's impossible to predict a company run by idiots.

[Redemption King]

This has nothing to do with prospecting.

It's just plain gambling, and trying to predict Topps.

Unfortunately, it's impossible to predict a company run by idiots.

I'm trying to make amends with myself but the whole situation is god awful. I can't stop the tears.

[dthimesch]

I think this is incredible laziness on the part of Topps. Now they don't have to go through the work of signing 5 guys to autograph contracts and getting the cards signed. I think it is another case of Topps making a lazy and cost-cutting decision.

^^^^ this right here.

I'm stunned we are over 100 posts into this and there is only 1 single mention of Topps's laziness.

[death2redemptions]

^^^^ this right here.

I'm stunned we are over 100 posts into this and there is only 1 single mention of Topps's laziness.

Well, I pretty much thought that was a given. Didn't know it actually needed to be said ;)

[Nutcracker33]

^^^^ this right here.

I'm stunned we are over 100 posts into this and there is only 1 single mention of Topps's laziness.

Because all the people are getting kris Bryant autos and not some scrubs

100% of these redemption owners are going to be happy rather than only 20%


They just tried to make most people happy, people will bitch regardless of what happened, so I think it was a nice surprise that topps did that

[dthimesch]

Well, I pretty much thought that was a given. Didn't know it actually needed to be said ;)

Oh... Yeah your right. Isn't it a given the cards should have been in the product? Isn't it pretty much a given on most things mentioned in this thread regarding this card?

So why is it everyone can feel free to talk about everything else in this thread except Topps's laziness? Why don't you point out the "givens" of everyone else's statements?

[hermanotarjeta]

Because all the people are getting kris Bryant autos and not some scrubs

100% of these redemption owners are going to be happy rather than only 20%


They just tried to make most people happy, people will bitch regardless of what happened, so I think it was a nice surprise that topps did that

You know what would be a nice surprise?

Have topps actually insert his autos into the product LIVE.

Does a professional company really have to play games like this to keep it interesting?

Or are they just teasing the crowd?

They are still run by idiots, regardless.

[Andrew Jones]

Oh... Yeah your right. Isn't it a given the cards should have been in the product? Isn't it pretty much a given on most things mentioned in this thread regarding this card?

So why is it everyone can feel free to talk about everything else in this thread except Topps's laziness? Why don't you point out the "givens" of everyone else's statements?

Apparently not. Most posters seem to think I'm whining about nothing.

[death2redemptions]

Oh... Yeah your right. Isn't it a given the cards should have been in the product? Isn't it pretty much a given on most things mentioned in this thread regarding this card?

So why is it everyone can feel free to talk about everything else in this thread except Topps's laziness? Why don't you point out the "givens" of everyone else's statements?

Ummm, I'm agreeing with you :confused:

[Bluemarlin528]

So I guess this means the refractors to /500 are in Topps hands and should ship right away?

I guess they had to do something with them.

[Nutcracker33]

You know what would be a nice surprise?

Have topps actually insert his autos into the product LIVE.

Does a professional company really have to play games like this to keep it interesting?

Or are they just teasing the crowd?

They are still run by idiots, regardless.

yes, they should insert them live of course

but obviously something happened, that not even the redemptions made it to the product

so at the end, Topps ended with 500 or whatever Kris Bryant refractor auto sitting at the warehouse

do i think that some idiots dropped the ball ? yes

do i think this is the next best solution ? yes

[WCTYSON]

Apparently not. Most posters seem to think I'm whining about nothing.

Reported for whining about nothing. :coffee:

[Andrew Jones]

Reported for whining about nothing. :coffee:

Don't make me name you as a co-Defendant in my upcoming small claims lawsuite against Topps.

[hermanotarjeta]

yes, they should insert them live of course

but obviously something happened, that not even the redemptions made it to the product

so at the end, Topps ended with 500 or whatever Kris Bryant refractor auto sitting at the warehouse

do i think that some idiots dropped the ball ? yes

do i think this is the next best solution ? yes

it's the best solution only for those holding on to redemptions.

So should these cards be considered inserts rather than first chrome auto parallels since they can only be obtained through topps via a promotional redemption card versus a specifically stated redemption card?

Another question would be - do these sell for less than the base auto card since there are 500 refractors, and less than 400 regular base cards? Or do they sell for more or around the same?

[arkeeper]

I'm confused. Why is a lucky redemption something that should already be there? Refractor /500 is expected to be in the product. Did they really intentionally print all the other redemptions for him, but made 5 different "lucky redemptions", all looking like different cards, knowing they were all the same redemption? That makes no sense to me.

Or did they forget to print and insert his base refractor auto redemption cards, and got lucky that they had 100 of each lucky redemption in the product?

If they forgot, are there really 500 total lucky redemptions already in the product? Or is there actually less than 500 out there?

[ctbinvestments]

This is wrong on so many levels (crap move by topps):

First the value of the base autos decrease with 500 refractor autos hitting the market.

Second how many people who just bought Lucky Redemptions will never see them now if they haven't shipped already.

Third is what else is topps holding out on? Are there stacks of Hosmer Refractor autos?

[hermanotarjeta]

I'm confused. Why is a lucky redemption something that should already be there? Refractor /500 is expected to be in the product. Did they really intentionally print all the other redemptions for him, but made 5 different "lucky redemptions", all looking like different cards, knowing they were all the same redemption? That makes no sense to me.

Or did they forget to print and insert his base refractor auto redemption cards, and got lucky that they had 100 of each lucky redemption in the product?

If they forgot, are there really 500 total lucky redemptions already in the product? Or is there actually less than 500 out there?

yes, yes and yes.

Basically, what Topps pulled was your classic bait and switch. These Bryants should have been in the product as hits. They weren't in there, which de-valued the product for box breakers as a whole.

Because topps-donkeys are using the Bryants as these "lucky redemptions", they are making you think this is some sort of surprise bonus you are getting in this product, whereas in reality, they have ESSENTIALLY made an excuse for themselves to NOT HAVE TO PRODUCE 500 extra autographed/special cards that should have been in the product to fulfill those mystery redemptions.

They are freaking crooks and I can't believe many of you can't see this.

I personally am outraged.

[houdini]

For the record:

In the 100 case break, all lucky redemptions pulled are going to the person who won the lucky redemption spot.

The Bryant auto spot holder will just have to be satisfied with his red ref auto, printing plate auto, black ref auto, green ref auto, 2 blue ref autos, and single base auto. :)

[Freewheelburnin]

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[Soxfan8308]

Where is the number of Bryant base autos (400), I'm seeing on this thread coming from ?

[msterling21]

Folks who are looking for one, let's not overpay and drive prices up. There are 500 produced!!!! Plenty to go around.

[SDcardguy24]

Where is the number of Bryant base autos (400), I'm seeing on this thread coming from ?

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/baseball/713577-how-many-bryant-base-chrome-autos.html#post7245957

One way to get an accurate idea of the print run is to look at the back of the redemptions. To the left of the code is a number [6 digits I believe]. These are essentially serial numbers for the redemptions. If we can get a good quantity of these numbers, we can subtract the smallest number from the largest number to get a conservative print run number.

For example, if the lowest number is 100000 and the highest number is 100193 out of 25 redemptions, I'd be confident there are 200-250 produced.

[death2redemptions]

Where is the number of Bryant base autos (400), I'm seeing on this thread coming from ?

There is a thread somewhere on here that talks about it. On the back of the redemption cards there are codes and we were to estimate roughly 400. Maybe a little less, maybe a little more but right around there.

[go_steelers07]

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is this from the original or sequel?

I wore out two VHS tapes watching those movies back in the day.....:flex:

my parents also bought a new refrigerator around the same time. I had a large piece of cardboard and.............. wait, I want to forget those days. I'm glad we didn't a "camcorder"...lol

[Freewheelburnin]

is this from the original or sequel?

I wore out two VHS tapes watching those movies back in the day.....:flex:

my parents also bought a new refrigerator around the same time. I had a large piece of cardboard and.............. wait, I want to forget those days. I'm glad we didn't a "camcorder"...lol

HA!!! The first one man. This GIF is perfect for any occasion, I feel.

[go_steelers07]

HA!!! The first one man. This GIF is perfect for any occasion, I feel.

Ozone & Turbo........

they should have had their own Saturday morning cartoon.

[bulljh]

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There needs to be a Turbo with the broom gif. I bought this movie on dvd a few years back. Classic :)!

[Freewheelburnin]

There needs to be a Turbo with the broom gif. I bought this movie on dvd a few years back. Classic :)!

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[babyfaceposey]

I just want my lucky redemption for Gausman made. Congrats to all that have the Lucky Redemptions.. This is bs for people that had Bryant slots.

[Norfolk23]

I wonder how much Tanaka not signing plays a part in this. Even if you assume one of the redemptions was penciled in for him that still doesn't account for the other 4. Who were they supposed to be? Seems like a last minute decision.

[Bhenry4]

I just want my lucky redemption for Gausman made. Congrats to all that have the Lucky Redemptions.. This is bs for people that had Bryant slots.

Same here, not sure why it's so damn hard for them to get a Gausman auto after a year.

[cowboyzqna]

I sold my lucky redemption for under two hundred :D

I smile because I hit it in a group break and cleared nearly three times what my buyin was w/ the sale.

I really do love this hobby :)

And yea I got five pms claiming the card today :D

[go_steelers07]

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Chong Li...........

Dim Mak...........

[WCTYSON]

Ozone & Turbo........

they should have had their own Saturday morning cartoon.

I am down with Special K, but who in the hell invited Jean-Claude Van Damme? :mad:

[NeedChapmans]

OK.

Just returned home from a long day, only to find out that all 500 Lucky redemptions will be Kris Bryant autos. I've read through all of the posts here, some good criticism and praise for what Topps has done here. My two cents if anyone cares ...

I think I love the move. Too many times; collectors buy and sell the lucky redemption autos; only to be disappointed by who it turns out to be, how long they take to make and how they look. I also think that the value of lucky redemption autos are likely to fall each year. Insert RC autos have a hard time holding value.

The positives on what Topps has done:

- Filled 500 redemptions quickly. Looks as if the Bryant autos have been made, signed and ready to be sent out by Topps, so for all of the grief given to them about redemptions 2014 Bowman is awfully light in that sense. Kudos.

- Increased the value of the product. Some people think that this will lower the value of base autos, and while that might happen a touch, I think the increased value of naming Bryant refractor autos as all lucky redemptions is a big $$ +. Would you rather have 100 Kevin Gausman RC sticker autos worth $10, or 100 Bryant on card prospect autos worth $400?

And to address the people that don't think this is fair, or a good move

(1) Topps doesn't make decisions based on group breaks. I can understand why the people who had Bryant would be upset; but that's part of the risk you take in participating in that stuff. It's a lottery, pure and simple and in this case, Lucky Redemption value up, Kris Bryant slot value down.

(2) Topps packed out the Bryant refractor autos, just in a different way than normal. What they didn't pack out was 500 additional RC autos, which allowed for a lower case print run, which anyone that owns singles or opened cases should be appreciative of. ~50 less hobby cases on the market is a good thing.

(3) For the first time, potentially ever, Lucky Redemption auto sellers lost value to Lucky Redemption auto buyers. That's a good thing for the hobby in the longrun, and while I again understand sellers are angry, I think the unknown of what a Lucky Redemption will become doesn't allow for too many valid complaints.

Ultimately, you can call it laziness (which may very well be true), but I think Topps did a good thing here; which we don't say often.

[mangia1976]

I sold my lucky redemption for under two hundred :D

I smile because I hit it in a group break and cleared nearly three times what my buyin was w/ the sale.

I really do love this hobby :)

And yea I got five pms claiming the card today :D

I'd be smiling too...it's the only way you can disguise the pain you must feel knowing you could've got 3-4x that..ugh. :mad:

sorry man.

[Cubs_rock21]

Sorry you all didn't get a Xander bogearts rc card logo auto! The only people whining sold early

[RollBamaRoll]

any guesses as to what base autos will do? hold steady, plummet or somewhere in the middle?

[usualsuspect]

So I bought one of these for $300 on eBay when I found out and the buyer refunded me 5 minutes ago. Can't believe it. I'll be leaving a negative for this.

[Ksmithwick]

OK.

Just returned home from a long day, only to find out that all 500 Lucky redemptions will be Kris Bryant autos. I've read through all of the posts here, some good criticism and praise for what Topps has done here. My two cents if anyone cares ...

I think I love the move. Too many times; collectors buy and sell the lucky redemption autos; only to be disappointed by who it turns out to be, how long they take to make and how they look. I also think that the value of lucky redemption autos are likely to fall each year. Insert RC autos have a hard time holding value.

The positives on what Topps has done:

- Filled 500 redemptions quickly. Looks as if the Bryant autos have been made, signed and ready to be sent out by Topps, so for all of the grief given to them about redemptions 2014 Bowman is awfully light in that sense. Kudos.

- Increased the value of the product. Some people think that this will lower the value of base autos, and while that might happen a touch, I think the increased value of naming Bryant refractor autos as all lucky redemptions is a big $$ +. Would you rather have 100 Kevin Gausman RC sticker autos worth $10, or 100 Bryant on card prospect autos worth $400?

And to address the people that don't think this is fair, or a good move

(1) Topps doesn't make decisions based on group breaks. I can understand why the people who had Bryant would be upset; but that's part of the risk you take in participating in that stuff. It's a lottery, pure and simple and in this case, Lucky Redemption value up, Kris Bryant slot value down.

(2) Topps packed out the Bryant refractor autos, just in a different way than normal. What they didn't pack out was 500 additional RC autos, which allowed for a lower case print run, which anyone that owns singles or opened cases should be appreciative of. ~50 less hobby cases on the market is a good thing.

(3) For the first time, potentially ever, Lucky Redemption auto sellers lost value to Lucky Redemption auto buyers. That's a good thing for the hobby in the longrun, and while I again understand sellers are angry, I think the unknown of what a Lucky Redemption will become doesn't allow for too many valid complaints.

Ultimately, you can call it laziness (which may very well be true), but I think Topps did a good thing here; which we don't say often.


Well said. For once Topps did something to increase the value of the product. Less cases and lucky redemption cards that are highly sought after.

[stormshadow815]

any guesses as to what base autos will do? hold steady, plummet or somewhere in the middle?

Base is still SP, which will hold value. But I think this lowers the price of all his auto's to some extent, probably not a bunch but some.

[usualsuspect]

By the way, the seller who didn't honor the transaction is alexg2610. Feel free to block away.

[gobullz1]

good for the buyers of the card from sellers thought they were selling a chunk of sh&* for a high price thinking it might of been a lower bum and could make their cash on luck they didnt strike out.

Don't complain anyone who sold this card honestly was gambling that the buyer would be sick in the situation. Right?

[hermanotarjeta]

You optimists are delusional and are the only reason why Topps will continue to successfully peddle their garbage and pull their shenanigans with sticker autos and redemptions for the rest of your lives.

[gonygo]

You optimists are delusional and are the only reason why Topps will continue to successfully peddle their garbage and pull their shenanigans with sticker autos and redemptions for the rest of your lives.

I have to agree..This move by Topps was worse then lazy. It was clearly manipulative, deceitful and wrong. ***Then again, if Topps knew that the lucky redemptions were NOT going to be Kris Bryant until this afternoon…Well, then i will apologize. However, everyone knows that Topps knew this, planned this and pretty much executed this to perfection. (In their eyes $$$) :mad:

[bear0555]

My guess is that Topps had a couple ideas planned and chose to make them all Kris Bryant Ref aus because of the way "things worked out". Maybe they weren't able to convince Tanaka to sign 100 cards. Regardless, I like the idea despite buying a few Kris Bryant aus already.

[brentandbecca]

OK.

Just returned home from a long day, only to find out that all 500 Lucky redemptions will be Kris Bryant autos. I've read through all of the posts here, some good criticism and praise for what Topps has done here. My two cents if anyone cares ...

I think I love the move. Too many times; collectors buy and sell the lucky redemption autos; only to be disappointed by who it turns out to be, how long they take to make and how they look. I also think that the value of lucky redemption autos are likely to fall each year. Insert RC autos have a hard time holding value.

The positives on what Topps has done:

- Filled 500 redemptions quickly. Looks as if the Bryant autos have been made, signed and ready to be sent out by Topps, so for all of the grief given to them about redemptions 2014 Bowman is awfully light in that sense. Kudos.

- Increased the value of the product. Some people think that this will lower the value of base autos, and while that might happen a touch, I think the increased value of naming Bryant refractor autos as all lucky redemptions is a big $$ +. Would you rather have 100 Kevin Gausman RC sticker autos worth $10, or 100 Bryant on card prospect autos worth $400?

And to address the people that don't think this is fair, or a good move

(1) Topps doesn't make decisions based on group breaks. I can understand why the people who had Bryant would be upset; but that's part of the risk you take in participating in that stuff. It's a lottery, pure and simple and in this case, Lucky Redemption value up, Kris Bryant slot value down.

(2) Topps packed out the Bryant refractor autos, just in a different way than normal. What they didn't pack out was 500 additional RC autos, which allowed for a lower case print run, which anyone that owns singles or opened cases should be appreciative of. ~50 less hobby cases on the market is a good thing.

(3) For the first time, potentially ever, Lucky Redemption auto sellers lost value to Lucky Redemption auto buyers. That's a good thing for the hobby in the longrun, and while I again understand sellers are angry, I think the unknown of what a Lucky Redemption will become doesn't allow for too many valid complaints.

Ultimately, you can call it laziness (which may very well be true), but I think Topps did a good thing here; which we don't say often.



ok, BUT in reality if there was going to be a /500 ref auto for him they should have been packed out and the 5 lucky redemptions should have been 5 other cards/players each /100 like in the past otherwise why even have those redemeptions

some are saying they have added value...YES at this point, BUT no, not really
If before at release there were 500 ref autos inserted PLUS the 5 lucky redemptions still, then actually value has been removed, as anyone who opened had the chance to hit a Bryant ref auto /500 AND a lucky redemption

point is say the 500 ref autos are $400 each (whatever) = $200,000 value
and each lucky 5 redemption at $150-$200 like many were = $75,000-$100,000 value

but now we just have the value of KB ref autos
SURE who wouldn't rather have the KB at this point over anyone (other than a Tanaka miracle), but point is, traditionally the ref autos are packed out and the lucky 5 are separate /100 cards, and those opening or in breaks, whatever, would have had the chance

I am glad Topps went back and added them, but I can't say I see this being the way to go about it from the beginning
otherwise make 1 redemption /500 or just make the kris bryant ref auto redemptions like all his other cards...
Again, meaning: WHY EVEN HAVE LUCKY 5 REDEMPTIONS?

[bulljh]

I love how people #@#@#@#@#@#@ and complain about Topps or other companies but continue to buy their cards and products.

[ninjacookies]

So this Kris Bryant kid the next Babe Ruth or something?

Saw a blue ref. redemption /150 go for 750. Dear god, dat hype machine tho.'

[248rayment4343]

I pulled a lucky # 2 out of the one blaster of 2014 bowman i bought. when i pulled it they were all over the place on ebay anywhere from 280-400+.

When I deicided to sell it I put it on here and scf and was asking 350.00 or best offer. I had no interest at all until I lowered the price all the way down to 250.00 or best offer.

The reason I had no interest is because ebay got flooded and next thing you know seller's on ebay were taking anywhere from 175.00 to 230.00.

So after I had mine at 250.00 obo for a week i got a offer for around 200.00 I took the offer cause I was scared the price would continue to drop cause they were getting cheaper and cheaper on ebay.

Im fine with what I got for mine. Yes it would have been nice to hold onto it and get more for it as of today. But the price was going down and I thought if I don't get rid of this card before I know it i will be lucky to get a 100.00.

Plus I pulled it out of one blaster so no matter how I looked at it I was coming out ahead which does not happen to often out of 1 blaster.

You live and you learn.

[armyatc22]

So I bought one of these for $300 on eBay when I found out and the buyer refunded me 5 minutes ago. Can't believe it. I'll be leaving a negative for this.

Can you leave a negative if he refunds you?

[mangia1976]

So I bought one of these for $300 on eBay when I found out and the buyer refunded me 5 minutes ago. Can't believe it. I'll be leaving a negative for this.

That's cr*p and totally bush league of the seller. A negative is certainly warranted.

You enter into an agreement, you stick with it. But collectors are just too greedy.

[bradical]

You enter into an agreement, you stick with it. But flippers are just too greedy.

Fixed it for you.

[padremurph]

What's this do to values of Blues? It's obviously adding 500 autos which can't help. On the other hand, it now makes the Blue seem more rare now that there is the refractor and not just the SP base.

[saraceno21]

The bottom line in this is there were 500 less "hits" packed out in 2014 Bowman with a value of around $150,000.00 to $250,000.00 depending on what you think the Bryant refractor auto will be worth.

[bradical]

The bottom line in this is there were 500 less "hits" packed out in 2014 Bowman with a value of around $150,000.00 to $250,000.00 depending on what you think the Bryant refractor auto will be worth.

Not really. They were packed out in the form of Lucky Redemptions.

[bradical]

Also, expect one more bombshell from Topps about the Lucky Redemption in the next week.

[DSizzle31]

All of you claiming that this is laziness on Topps' part or that they somehow planned this for a monetary benefit, are really missing the point. Not packing out the redemptions for the Bryant refractor was clearly a mistake. It wasn't some scheme that they hatched so that they wouldn't have to go through the effort/ money to get 500 Lucky Redemption autos signed. They would have MUCH RATHER packed the Bryant ref autos into the cases. 500 autos is 40+ cases worth of autos. You don't think that Topps would've preferred to make/ sell 40+ more cases? Of course they would've. The money they would've made on those cases would dwarf the money it would've cost to print 500 Lucky Redemption cards and get them signed.

Once the mistake of not packing out the Bryant ref redemptions happened, what would you have had them do? Randomly give them away? That would cause an uproar. Use them as replacements for other redemptions? People would be angry. Throw them away? That would be silly. I think that by giving them out for the Lucky Redemptions, they made the best of a bad situation.

[Freewheelburnin]

I have to agree..This move by Topps was worse then lazy. It was clearly manipulative, deceitful and wrong. ***Then again, if Topps knew that the lucky redemptions were NOT going to be Kris Bryant until this afternoon…Well, then i will apologize. However, everyone knows that Topps knew this, planned this and pretty much executed this to perfection. (In their eyes $$$) :mad:

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[saraceno21]

Not really. They were packed out in the form of Lucky Redemptions.

Lucky redemptions are lucky redemptions. They are separate from the cover boys refractor autographs which should have either been inserted live or as redemptions cards for the refractor auto.

[tajikey]

Also, expect one more bombshell from Topps about the Lucky Redemption in the next week.

Care to share via PM?

[mikecamp99]

Care to share via PM?

Or share with the community? :)!

[TarjetasBéisbol]

Care to share via PM?

I would like to know too.

[bradical]

Care to share via PM?

Or share with the community? :)!

I would like to know too.

Some might think it sux and er aren't happy with the base auto they get, so I don't want to be the person who poo poos on Topps parade.

[crazy4kinsler]

I think you can as long as the transaction isn't canceled. The guy would cancel it to get his fees back, but I would NOT agree to the cancel if I were you.

I actually had a guy agree to buy a redemption from me for $275 a couple of weeks ago, and he never paid. But I didn't leave negative since no money changed hands and nothing was lost/stolen/damaged.



Can you leave a negative if he refunds you?

[Braves_Fan]

Also, expect one more bombshell from Topps about the Lucky Redemption in the next week.

Do you know someone that works for Topps? Well spill the beans with us!
Thanks

[RollBamaRoll]

Some might think it sux and er aren't happy with the base auto they get, so I don't want to be the person who poo poos on Topps parade.

So was there a reason why they showed a Byrant base auto and refractor auto in their announcement?

[Cactuspies]

Some might think it sux and er aren't happy with the base auto they get, so I don't want to be the person who poo poos on Topps parade.

call me confused....aren't these lucky redemptions for the refractors and not the base? are you saying topps is going to hand out base instead? Isn't that actually better for the collectors since there is actually less base than refractors or did they re-crank the presses to make more cards.

I will change my stance and say everyone should be beyond pissed if they double print the base and hold back refractors now.

[bradical]

Point of clarification, I believe, the Bryants are in addition to whatever your lucky redemption should be for.

[bradical]

Do you know someone that works for Topps? Well spill the beans with us!
Thanks

Nope. Its a matter of paying attention to social media. To which I do more than I am willing to admit.

[Norfolk23]

That's cr*p and totally bush league of the seller. A negative is certainly warranted.

You enter into an agreement, you stick with it. But collectors are just too greedy.

How many people have item not described returns when player X gets hurt or starts to play poorly? There was a lot of that going on with Wacha last year.

Then there are those who buy BC auto's, decide it won't get a 9.5 and want to return them......not to mention return a card that may or may not have been the one they bought in the first place. Pull the 'ol switcheroo which is BS.

I'm not saying what the seller did in this case is right, but there are far, far more hassles coming the other direction most of the time.

[tajikey]

Point of clarification, I believe, the Bryants are in addition to whatever your lucky redemption should be for.

This would be incredible!

[secbigazn]

Point of clarification, I believe, the Bryants are in addition to whatever your lucky redemption should be for.

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

if that's true, then everyone bitching and moaning about the Ref Bryant announcement will be groaning even more. No way Topps would do this........
..........
.........
...........
or would they................?:confused::confused::confused:

[sportcardtheory]

Why didn't Topps issue the Bryant Refractor autos as redemptions like they always do, instead of replacing other cards that are now non-existent with cards that SHOULD have been in the regular release? They screwed a lot of people doing it this way.

[NeedChapmans]

Why didn't Topps issue the Bryant Refractor autos as redemptions like they always do, instead of replacing other cards that are now non-existent with cards that SHOULD have been in the regular release? They screwed a lot of people doing it this way.

Name one person that was screwed.

[sportcardtheory]

Name one person that was screwed.

Anyone who bought unopened product hoping to pull Bryant Refractor autos believing that they were in the product.

[tajikey]

Name one person that was screwed.

Sellers?

:coffee:

Anyone who bought unopened product hoping to pull Bryant Refractor autos believing that they were in the product.

These people shouldn't be opening any product at all.

[NeedChapmans]

Anyone who bought unopened product hoping to pull Bryant Refractor autos believing that they were in the product.

They are in this product!

Sellers?

:coffee:

Are you suggesting then that sellers of Lucky Redemptions must always come out on top of what the actual value turns out to be?

[sportcardtheory]

It's basic mathematics. Hypothetically, say there are 500 cards that are supposed to be in the regular release and there are 500 Mystery Redemptions also in that release, that's 1,000 cards. Instead of releasing the first 500 in the product, they do a switcheroo and switch them out to be the 500 Mystery Redemptions. That means that there are 500 less chase cards in the overall release. That's 500 people who lost out on a chance at a chase pull. Math.

[Braves_Fan]

Point of clarification, I believe, the Bryants are in addition to whatever your lucky redemption should be for.

If that's the case every one who sold the redemptions before hand will really become sick!

[patchgenie]

If that's the case every one who sold the redemptions before hand will really become sick!

last year's bowman lucky redemption had a different player for 1-5. shouldn't that be the same this year and the bryant would be a bonus? does it say anywhere that the 1-5 this year will just be the bryant only?

[NeedChapmans]

It's basic mathematics. Hypothetically, say there are 500 cards that are supposed to be in the regular release and there are 500 Mystery Redemptions also in the release, that's 1,000 cards. Instead of releasing the first 500 in the product, they do a switcheroo and switch them out to be the 500 Mystery Redemptions. That means that there are 500 less chase cards in the overall release. Math.

You make it sound like these 500 Lucky Redemption autos were going to be just awesome. People lining up to get their hands on David Hale, Billy Hamilton and Xander Bogaerts RC sticker autos #'ed to /100. Topps produced 42 less hobby cases as a result of this move. That's roughly 200 less prospect chrome, paper RC's on the market per player. Helps increase the value of what everyone owns just a little bit. Math.

Top players are SP'ed sometimes. It happens, and the value in 2014 Bowman was doing pretty darn good without a Bryant refractor auto. Now it's doing a little better.

[sportcardtheory]

You make it sound like these 500 Lucky Redemption autos were going to be just awesome. People lining up to get their hands on David Hale, Billy Hamilton and Xander Bogaerts RC sticker autos #'ed to /100. Topps produced 42 less hobby cases as a result of this move. That's roughly 200 less prospect chrome, paper RC's on the market per player. Helps increase the value of what everyone owns just a little bit. Math.

Top players are SP'ed sometimes. It happens, and the value in 2014 Bowman was doing pretty darn good without a Bryant refractor auto. Now it's doing a little better.

Value and case count is meaningless in this matter. There are "500" people out there who lost out on a chance to pull either a Bryant Refractor auto or a Mystery Redemption. That's just a fact you can't deny. You work for Topps or just selling Bowman cases?

[tajikey]

They are in this product!



Are you suggesting then that sellers of Lucky Redemptions must always come out on top of what the actual value turns out to be?

I was being facetious, kind sir :)

[NeedChapmans]

i was being facetious, kind sir :)

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Doublexthebeast]

You make it sound like these 500 Lucky Redemption autos were going to be just awesome. People lining up to get their hands on David Hale, Billy Hamilton and Xander Bogaerts RC sticker autos #'ed to /100. Topps produced 42 less hobby cases as a result of this move. That's roughly 200 less prospect chrome, paper RC's on the market per player. Helps increase the value of what everyone owns just a little bit. Math.

Top players are SP'ed sometimes. It happens, and the value in 2014 Bowman was doing pretty darn good without a Bryant refractor auto. Now it's doing a little better.

I definitely have to side with Chapmans here. I think this was a great move when it comes to the actual product that you will be receiving. Sure the lucky redepmtions are great pulls but the card you get is less than stellar in most instances. I would much rather have a Bryant Ref Auto.

[tajikey]

I definitely have to side with Chapmans here. I think this was a great move when it comes to the actual product that you will be receiving. Sure the lucky redepmtions are great pulls but the card you get is less than stellar in most instances. I would much rather have a Bryant Ref Auto.

Or based on Bradical's insinuation, both!

[sportcardtheory]

I love how some people are calling a card that was completely left out the original release and switched out with redemptions that were supposed to be in the release "SP'd".

'TOPPS! GLUG GLUG GLUG!!!'

[NeedChapmans]

Value and case count is meaningless in this matter. There are "500" people out there who lost out on a chance to pull either a Bryant Refractor auto or a Mystery Redemption. That's just a fact you can't deny. You work for Topps, or what?

Value and case count is meaningless you say.

OK, well that's a shame. Also a shame that Topps decided not to pack out all those $1 base chrome RC autos of Davidson, D'Arnaud, Romero, Schoop etc. Why aren't you complaining about those missing hits? That's like 15,000 autos missing from the product that were promised!?!

[sportcardtheory]

Value and case count is meaningless you say.

OK, well that's a shame. Also a shame that Topps decided not to pack out all those $1 base chrome RC autos of Davidson, D'Arnaud, Romero, Schoop etc. Why aren't you complaining about those missing hits? That's like 15,000 autos missing from the product that were promised!?!

In THIS situation, my friend. Nice try. I guess I don't see what the correlation between this issue and a lower case count is. Do you work for Topps, or what? How would you know the EXACT amount of cases they cut? How would you know that it has anything to do with Bryant Refractor autos? Are you just making this stuff up, or do you have inside info?

[3of5-2]

I pulled a Lucky Redemption #3, didn't sell it, glad I'm getting a Bryant refractor auto instead of some scrub. I'm happy for once, and I mean only once, that Topps did this, but only because I pulled and didn't sell it.

[death2redemptions]

Point of clarification, I believe, the Bryants are in addition to whatever your lucky redemption should be for.

Yeah, that's not going to happen.

Bryant refractor auto is all you get.

[NeedChapmans]

In THIS situation, my friend. Nice try. I guess I don't see what the correlation between this issue and a lower case count is. Do you work for Topps, or what? How would you know the EXACT amount of cases they cut? How would you know that it has anything to do with Bryant Refractor autos? Are you just making this stuff up, or do you have inside info?

I'm not sure I follow. 500 missing autos means 500 less boxes produced, means 42 less hobby cases produced. The auto checklist had 70 total subjects on it, yet half of the RC subjects didn't have base autos (some didn't have refractor autos). That's quite a large number of junk autos that Topps could have produced, and didn't, which is a GREAT thing.

My point here is simple. You condemn them for not packing out 500 extra hits, but don't give them recognition for NOT packing out tens of thousands of junk hits.

[bradical]

To add to NeedChapmans - Topps also didn't place a Chrome Prospect Auto in each box this year. There are a lot of boxes with just a Bowman Black/Violet or AFLAC Auto in lieu of their guaranteed Chrome Prospect Auto.

It just as likely that this was to make up for the no Bryant Chrome Ref Autos, or base Rookie Autos.

[hermanotarjeta]

You make it sound like these 500 Lucky Redemption autos were going to be just awesome. People lining up to get their hands on David Hale, Billy Hamilton and Xander Bogaerts RC sticker autos #'ed to /100. Topps produced 42 less hobby cases as a result of this move. That's roughly 200 less prospect chrome, paper RC's on the market per player. Helps increase the value of what everyone owns just a little bit. Math.

Top players are SP'ed sometimes. It happens, and the value in 2014 Bowman was doing pretty darn good without a Bryant refractor auto. Now it's doing a little better.

Topps didn't short themselves ANY cases. They made up for it by shorting thousands of boxes of "hits" by counting aflac/perfect game cards as chrome autos - that's how they maintained their quota of cases plus more.

Please, do the MATH.

[hermanotarjeta]

I'm not sure I follow. 500 missing autos means 500 less boxes produced, means 42 less hobby cases produced. The auto checklist had 70 total subjects on it, yet half of the RC subjects didn't have base autos (some didn't have refractor autos). That's quite a large number of junk autos that Topps could have produced, and didn't, which is a GREAT thing.

My point here is simple. You condemn them for not packing out 500 extra hits, but don't give them recognition for NOT packing out tens of thousands of junk hits.

those 500 bryant auto refractors aren't just "extra hits" , those are the number 2 draft pick cover boy case hits and topps should be ashamed of this.

If those pea-brain collectors can't figure this out - I suppose ignorance is bliss.

[BigDan502]

I think the only disappointment was that Bryant was a redemption in general.
I don't really mind the lucky redemption switcharoo because it probably inflated the value of the base auto for a few weeks which is a fine trade off.
The marquee (arguably) auto being a redemption was really the disheartening part

[Raysfan16]

Watch more of his base autos surface in Bowman Chrome....

After this I wouldn't be surprised to see them milk the cow for as long as possible.

[HeyFitzy]

Why couldn't they of just pushed back release to ensure his autos were live in the product.....

"Because We're Topps."

[purejd86p]

I love how people #@#@#@#@#@#@ and complain about Topps or other companies but continue to buy their cards and products.

This XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX1000000000000000000000000000000000000000

[bradical]

Some might think it sux and er aren't happy with the base auto they get, so I don't want to be the person who poo poos on Topps parade.

Just sayin....

[RollBamaRoll]

so Luckys are good for a Xander base and a Bryant refractor??

[death2redemptions]

so Luckys are good for a Xander base and a Bryant refractor??

Huh? When did they announce you also get Xander Bogaerts?

[bradical]

Huh? When did they announce you also get Xander Bogaerts?

My guess, expect another announcement about the whereabouts of them.

[death2redemptions]

My guess, expect another announcement about the whereabouts of them.

So just speculation.

No way they would give both a Bogaerts and Bryant refractor auto per mystery redemption.

[RollBamaRoll]

Huh? When did they announce you also get Xander Bogaerts?

No, they didn't...I was reading into Bradicals cryptic post above

[death2redemptions]

No, they didn't...I was reading into Bradicals cryptic post above

Ah, I see....

[hermanotarjeta]

I love how people #@#@#@#@#@#@ and complain about Topps or other companies but continue to buy their cards and products.

This is like telling a person who criticizes or complains about the US government to move to a different country.

live on in bliss, oh ignorant ones.

[pitch21]

Seperate question. If you had a lucky redemption would you redeem/wait or sell?

If selling is there more value with the live card or with the redemption (obviously with the unknown of the market/injury/auto quality)?

[death2redemptions]

Seperate question. If you had a lucky redemption would you redeem and wait or sell?

If selling is there more value with the live card or with the redemption (obviously with the unknown of the market/injury/auto quality)?

I'd redeem it. The live version would sell for at least $50 more. Only gamble is if he is still as hot when you finally get the cards but it looks as though they are already signed so it *shouldn't* take too long.

But you never know with Topps, maybe the only had him sign that one card in the preview and it will take until the season is over before he signs the rest.

[hermanotarjeta]

Car dealer - "you'll love this new model. It has all the latest upgrades."

Customer - "where's the steering wheel?"

Car dealer - "the best part about this car is that you get the steering wheel for FREE!"

Customer - "SWEET! Can I get two cars? I gotta tell my friends about this!"

[msterling21]

Maybe the Luckys are good for a refractor AND base!

[RollBamaRoll]

Base autos still holding strong at ~ $450 despite the Lucky announcement....

Kris Bryant 2014 Bowman Chrome Base Auto Autograph RC SP SSP Cubs | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/KRIS-BRYANT-2014-BOWMAN-CHROME-BASE-AUTO-AUTOGRAPH-RC-SP-SSP-CUBS-/121345063784?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item1c40babb68)

2014 Bowman Chrome Kris Bryant Prospect Auto Autograph BCAP KB Cubs SSP | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2014-Bowman-Chrome-KRIS-BRYANT-Prospect-AUTO-Autograph-BCAP-KB-CUBS-SSP-/141290995601?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item20e5997f91)

[msterling21]

Base autos still holding strong at ~ $450 despite the Lucky announcement....

Kris Bryant 2014 Bowman Chrome Base Auto Autograph RC SP SSP Cubs | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/KRIS-BRYANT-2014-BOWMAN-CHROME-BASE-AUTO-AUTOGRAPH-RC-SP-SSP-CUBS-/121345063784?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item1c40babb68)

2014 Bowman Chrome Kris Bryant Prospect Auto Autograph BCAP KB Cubs SSP | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2014-Bowman-Chrome-KRIS-BRYANT-Prospect-AUTO-Autograph-BCAP-KB-CUBS-SSP-/141290995601?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item20e5997f91)

Kris Bryant's redemption is still hot.