Cam Newton doesn't want a Kaepernick-like contract

[ManInTheMirror]

Newton wants a contract that will provide more guaranteed money and a higher yearly salary than what Kaepernick received.

Cam Newton doesn't want a Kaepernick-like contract - NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000357363/article/cam-newton-doesnt-want-a-kaepernicklike-contract)

[HighEndHits]

Cam Newton also wants to be an above average QB, still waiting on that...

[MeteoriteGuy]

Cam Newton also wants to be an above average QB, still waiting on that...

So far, he has been the model of above average, of course he is still young, and considering the team before he went there....isn't doing bad at all.

2011 QBR #15, 2012 QBR #16, 2013 QBR #14.

[HighEndHits]

So far, he has been the model of above average, of course he is still young, and considering the team before he went there....isn't doing bad at all.

2011 QBR #15, 2012 QBR #16, 2013 QBR #14.

That's almost the exact definition of average.

[MeteoriteGuy]

That's almost the exact definition of average.

If you believe he was competing against around 30 quarterbacks in the league, instead of around 40 starters....again, he has been above average. He had also been to the playoffs, more then not.

[IronMonkey415]

He needs to stop pretending to be Superman.
Noticed all the brotha that pretend to be Superman ends up being crappy?

Dwight Howard .. check
Cam Newton ... check

[IronMonkey415]

AND...I just remembered Shaq, so that canceled everything I just said.

[MeteoriteGuy]

I will agree with the nature of that comment ironmonkey. The guy needs to hire some PR firm or something.

I find it illogical to believe in a sophomore jinx, yet it does appear to hit many athletes including Cam. I imagine with quarterbacks it is because the opposite coaches have a dozen games of film to work plans against the new qb's play style.

[HighEndHits]

If you believe he was competing against around 30 quarterbacks in the league, instead of around 40 starters....again, he has been above average. He had also been to the playoffs, more then not.

Each week there are 32 starting QBs. An average ranking of 15th is middle of the pack. He's definitely not top 10 and middle of the pack (average) is right where he is at.

[trixstar]

Why would he? Kaeps contract is terrible for players and nothing but a benefit for organizations.

[MeteoriteGuy]

Each week there are 32 starting QBs. An average ranking of 15th is middle of the pack. He's definitely not top 10 and middle of the pack (average) is right where he is at.

I don't believe anyone has claimed he is top 10.

And yes, there are 32 quarterbacks each week, but the rating numbers we are using, and should use, are not weekly, they are yearly, and there are many more then 32 and more then 40 in any given year. That is ignoring of course that qb on the bench, is an nfl quarterback.

This also makes the assumption, to some degree, that the Panthers, were an average team. However, before Cam, the team was a joke, now they are competitors. If you look at his three years as a negative on Cam, you don't watch football, but rather Beckett prices.

Why don't you compare Cam's first three years with many of the legendary qb's....or the Panthers qbs before him. I think Cams "placement" would surprise you.

I don't collect Cam or care for the Panthers, but he's is doing good and coming along fine.

[HighEndHits]

I don't believe anyone has claimed he is top 10.

And yes, there are 32 quarterbacks each week, but the rating numbers we are using, and should use, are not weekly, they are yearly, and there are many more then 32 and more then 40 in any given year. That is ignoring of course that qb on the bench, is an nfl quarterback.

This also makes the assumption, to some degree, that the Panthers, were an average team. However, before Cam, the team was a joke, now they are competitors. If you look at his three years as a negative on Cam, you don't watch football, but rather Beckett prices.

Why don't you compare Cam's first three years with many of the legendary qb's....or the Panthers qbs before him. I think Cams "placement" would surprise you.

I don't collect Cam or care for the Panthers, but he's is doing good and coming along fine.

When comparing starting QBs there are 32 positions available not 40. Terrell Pyror, Matt Flynn, ect... are not starting QBs and wouldn't be included in any discussion of starting QBs or contract negotiations for one.

Compare any of today's young QB stats with past legendary QBs and everyone should be on track to be in the hall of fame. Different game nowadays and the comps are not relevant.

[tajikey]

Why would he? Kaeps contract is terrible for players and nothing but a benefit for organizations.

Kaep's contract also removes "arrogant" from his list of possible characteristics. I don't believe Cam has the ability to be humble or swallow his pride for the good of the Panthers organization.

[trixstar]

Kaep's contract also removes "arrogant" from his list of possible characteristics. I don't believe Cam has the ability to be humble or swallow his pride for the good of the Panthers organization.


Arrogance aside no organization is about "the good of the player"

[MeteoriteGuy]

Only you draw the line at 32...go to nfl.com or any reference site and they do not.

By that standard, Newton ranks one place higher....as both Josh McNown and Jay Cutler rank over Newton....which places him at #13. So by your standard, how does being #13 in 32, not above average?

But again, the answer is more on the field. The Panthers were a joke, and now are not, and that is mostly because of one guy.

[tajikey]

Arrogance aside no organization is about "the good of the player"

The Mariners paid Cano $240 million for 10 years; I'd say that was for the good of Robinson, and not for the good of the Mariners :)!

[trixstar]

The Mariners paid Cano $240 million for 10 years; I'd say that was for the good of Robinson, and not for the good of the Mariners :)!

lol well that's baseball where players can't be cut at the drop of a hat

[Skootown]

Have people not watched Cam for the last few years?

The Panthers were 13-3 last year, and Cam has improved every year. Also, he's never had any great weapons to work with outside of Steve Smith.

If an NFL GM were to start from scratch, I'm quite sure Cam would be in the Top 10 on everyone's list.

Signed,
Eagles fan

[Grrowl51]

Get to the Super Bowl or even the Conference Championship and then he can start to talk. I know that the Panthers have not surrounded him with the best talent on the outside but he needs to be a leader and the money will come.

[HighEndHits]

The Panthers were a joke, and now are not, and that is mostly because of one guy.

Having a defense that allowed both the 2nd fewest pts and yards helps just a little. Offensively, Carolina ranked 26th in total yardage and 18th in pts.

[crazyweslove]

Each week there are 32 starting QBs. An average ranking of 15th is middle of the pack. He's definitely not top 10 and middle of the pack (average) is right where he is at.

The people who play against Cam Newton sure seem to think he is a Top 10 QB:

Top 100 Players of 2013 - NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/top100/2014#video=0ap2000000361707)

That would be a full 57 spots above your beloved Krapernick......

[panther252]

The people who play against Cam Newton sure seem to think he is a Top 10 QB:

Top 100 Players of 2013 - NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/top100/2014#video=0ap2000000361707)

That would be a full 57 spots above your beloved Krapernick......

How dare you come in here and defend that low life scum Cam Newton! Clearly the players were confused, not to mention the network must've switched up Cam's votes for Kap's!

[TheBurg]

I don't care what his QBR is, Cam has been playing well since entering the league and has a brighter future ahead of him. He was raw coming in, and is still learning. What we've seen early on is almost only a product of his raw skills.
If you told me that there was a QB in the league that was going to absolutely dominate for the next 8-10 years, my guess would be Newton.

[Yanke3z11]

Kaepernick didn't deserve as much guaranteed money as he recieved and Cam sure as hell doesn't deserve more than what Kaep got.

[grandmasterPRA]

Cam doesn't deserve anything yet in my opinion. He is good, but not great. Then again....Joe Flacco. Need I say more?

[ejs23]

Cam Newton also wants to be an above average QB, still waiting on that...

well, there's one thing that is certain in all this...

Newton > Kaepernick

and that's that.

Kaepernick is playing behind one of the best O-lines in the league, has Frank Gore running the ball, throwing to top receivers.... Cam went to a struggling team with marginal skill players and turned them into a contender within 2 years.

if they had switched teams, Cam would likely have a super bowl ring already.

and of course he doesn't want a contract like Kaepernick's... no one in their right mind would. one thing it shows is that SF doesn't have much faith in Kaepernick either.

[DieselPack1996]

Let me put it this way. The QB'S in the league are very talented compare Cam to Rodgers and he looks average. He doesn't look like anything special now look at where the Panthers were and where he has taken them and he looks like a hall of famer he's a good QB there is just a ton of extraordinary talent out there to compete with. I'd say he some where in between average and above average. Like a C+/B- line in school. Some week s he hits a B- even a B others he hits a C+ still a good QB

[Grza]

Uh, yeah, no one does.

[mikeyp]

Having a defense that allowed both the 2nd fewest pts and yards helps just a little. Offensively, Carolina ranked 26th in total yardage and 18th in pts.

The people who play against Cam Newton sure seem to think he is a Top 10 QB:

Top 100 Players of 2013 - NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/top100/2014#video=0ap2000000361707)

That would be a full 57 spots above your beloved Krapernick......

Whoa!! Where did HighEndHits go?? Dude disappeared pretty quickly!

[superynaldo]

Cam Newton also wants to be an above average QB, still waiting on that...

^^^^THIS^^^^

[mikeyp]

Having a defense that allowed both the 2nd fewest pts and yards helps just a little. Offensively, Carolina ranked 26th in total yardage and 18th in pts.

Look who he had to throw the ball to. A past his prime Steve Smith, Greg Olsen, Ted Ginn and Brandon Lafell. When Greg Olsen is your leading receiver that tells you something about your receiving core talent. Cam has never had the weapons that any of the top qb's in the league have had. Also Cam has matured by miles in the last year or so and is becoming the leader he needs to be.

[mikeyp]

Cam doesn't deserve anything yet in my opinion. He is good, but not great. Then again....Joe Flacco. Need I say more?

So you would let him walk then? Get real dude.

[razorsharp]

He has terrible talent around him compared to all the other elite/good QB's.

I feel bad for him this year. Carolina dumped Smith and did absolutely nothing to replace him.

[mikeyp]

He has terrible talent around him compared to all the other elite/good QB's.

I feel bad for him this year. Carolina dumped Smith and did absolutely nothing to replace him.

Well they did draft Kelvin Benjamin. The word around OTA's and mini camp was the dude is a complete beast, made some incredible catches. I guess we'll see though. They also picked up Jason Avant and Jericho Cotchery in FA. So IMO we have way better talent at WR than last year but still not great or even above average.

[HighEndHits]

Whoa!! Where did HighEndHits go?? Dude disappeared pretty quickly!

Didn't realize people were bumping an old thread. Stats, wins and leadership all point to Kap being better than Cam. Click on Kap on the top 100 and the majority of people voted that he is underrated. Click on Cam on the top 100 and the majority of people voted that he is overrated.

Crabtree was a bust before Kap, now he's a premiere WR. Boldin was at the end of his career, now he's put up his first 1,000 season since being in Arizona. Kap has made the players around him statistically better, led the 49ers to a super bowl and NFC championship game and he hasn't even completed 2 full seasons!

[jsnake89]

Cam Newton also wants to be an above average QB, still waiting on that...

This is spot on ^^^^^^^^

[mikeyp]

Didn't realize people were bumping an old thread. Stats, wins and leadership all point to Kap being better than Cam. Click on Kap on the top 100 and the majority of people voted that he is underrated. Click on Cam on the top 100 and the majority of people voted that he is overrated.

Crabtree was a bust before Kap, now he's a premiere WR. Boldin was at the end of his career, now he's put up his first 1,000 season since being in Arizona. Kap has made the players around him statistically better, led the 49ers to a super bowl and NFC championship game and he hasn't even completed 2 full seasons!

Thats just crazy. Crabtree was never a bust. It takes a WR a few years to adjust to the NFL game. Man if Cam had receivers like Crabtree, Boldin and Vernon Davis we wouldn't even be having this conversation right now.

[ChasescardCave]

Didn't realize people were bumping an old thread. Stats, wins and leadership all point to Kap being better than Cam. Click on Kap on the top 100 and the majority of people voted that he is underrated. Click on Cam on the top 100 and the majority of people voted that he is overrated.

Crabtree was a bust before Kap, now he's a premiere WR. Boldin was at the end of his career, now he's put up his first 1,000 season since being in Arizona. Kap has made the players around him statistically better, led the 49ers to a super bowl and NFC championship game and he hasn't even completed 2 full seasons!
C'mon man, kaep is good, but he's not top 5 QB material like you make him out to be (probably not even top 10)

[panther252]

Thats just crazy. Crabtree was never a bust. It takes a WR a few years to adjust to the NFL game. Man if Cam had receivers like Crabtree, Boldin and Vernon Davis we wouldn't even be having this conversation right now.

How dare you! Kap is a god and he makes everyone else around him better, while Cam regresses everyone and everything as soon as he steps foot on the field. The stats speak for themselves. Take Kap's passing yards and rushing yards then multiply them by 9, divide that by 3, add the completion percentage, then subdivide that with his 3rd down efficiency, multiply that by 8 (repeating of course) and then carry the 3. You'll clearly see Kaepernick is above Cam Newton and every possible way! Some say Boldin bailed out Kap. I beg to differ! Kap bails out Boldin! Scrubs like Vernon, Crabs and Boldin are lucky to be having Kap pad their stats for them!

[ManInTheMirror]

How dare you! Kap is a god and he makes everyone else around him better, while Cam regresses everyone and everything as soon as he steps foot on the field. The stats speak for themselves. Take Kap's passing yards and rushing yards then multiply them by 9, divide that by 3, add the completion percentage, then subdivide that with his 3rd down efficiency, multiply that by 8 (repeating of course) and then carry the 3. You'll clearly see Kaepernick is above Cam Newton and every possible way! Some say Boldin bailed out Kap. I beg to differ! Kap bails out Boldin! Scrubs like Vernon, Crabs and Boldin are lucky to be having Kap pad their stats for them!
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[HighEndHits]

Please bump this thread in 5 years.

[ninjacookies]

He needs to stop pretending to be Superman.
Noticed all the brotha that pretend to be Superman ends up being crappy?

Dwight Howard .. check
Cam Newton ... check

Shaq....not so much.

I don't think any qb in the league wants Colin's contract right now. There are sooo many caveats embedded in that thing. Especially if you're a mobile qb exposed to a lot more punishment than most. I don't see how anyone could fault Cam for wanting this. Now whether he gets it is a different story.

[CTest77]

I can't believe all the hate Cam still gets 5 years after all the Play for Pay drama at Auburn.
It's understandable that some people dislike his personality, but to say that Kaepernick is a much better QB or that Cam is an average at best starter in the NFL is just inaccurate.

Stats don't always tell the whole story. For example, Russell Wilson doesn't routinely go out and throw for 300+ yards and 3 TDs every week, yet his team wins games and a lot of people would say that he's a better player than these two.

I think the best measure of a player's value would be to see the body of work their team puts forth in the event of their absence. Last season clearly wasn't Aaron Rodgers most significant when it came down to the numbers he put up, but I would argue that his perceived value as a Packer went up considerably when you look at how much their offense (not named Eddie Lacy) struggled without him.

Now if you look at Kaepernick and Newton:
-the 49ers would have been and would largely still remain near the same level of talent they currently are with Alex Smith leading San Fran. if you'll recall, they were dominating in 2012 before Smith's injury and I'd be very interested to see how much exactly Kaep's placement into the starting role has improved the offense; if at all. Kaepernick has had a pretty good set of tools to use out west with Vernon Davis, a rejuvenated Boldin, Frank Gore, and at times, Michael Crabtree. He also has a top 10 oline in front of him.

-Conversely, Newton was selected by one of the worst teams in the NFL in 2011, and has been a big player in the improvement of the Panthers each of the last 3 seasons. I really can't say that more than a handful of the starters in the NFL today could turn such a bad franchise's offensive woes around so quickly. Cam has had weapons to throw to his first 3 years in the league with Steve Smith only having been MIA in the talent department last season, one of the best pass catching TEs in the NFL in Greg Olsen, and an offensive line that's played better than what they've been given credit for. Granted, I would still take Kaep's supporting cast from 2011-2013 over these guys.

It will be interesting to see how he handles the starting gig in 2014. Coming off off season surgery for I believe the first time in his career combined with about 3/5 of the offensive line retiring will be a couple major obstacles are a challenge I would expect a 4th year pro with a good track record to be able to handle. Rodgers was great with an offensive line of pure trash in 2009-2010, and that is coming from a Vikings' fan. I would consider myself a Cam supporter, and I don't buy the argument that their current skill position situation is so much worse than 2013.
The Running Backs are the same underachieving trio that has been collecting a (big) paycheck since Cam entered the league; now they're just slightly older.
Olsen is still the go-to Tight End approaching the end of his prime. I could name 15-20 more teams in much worse shape here.
The WR group should only experience a slight drop off from last season when you consider that Steve Smith's name was MUCH bigger than his game in 2013, Brandon LaFell can't catch a football, and Ted Ginn Jr. was probably their most consistent wideout. Kelvin Benjamin is supposed to add some young talent, especially in the red zone, and I'd really call Jason Avant, Steve Smith, and Jericho Cotchery a wash at this point. They're all old, but can still be relied on as possession WRs.

[crazyweslove]

Please bump this thread in 5 years.

Old thread? This is from two weeks ago during the offseason, it's not like these were your opinions from 2 years ago. Not saying Cam is best QB in the league or that Kaep is the worst but come on, you are arguing Cam has the same level of talent as Kaep and that is ridiculous. From the Center out, 49ers are a contender with or without Kaep. Hell, Alex Smith looked good with the same core! Take Newton out and you have a 3 win team IMO.

[dbrown]

Kaepernick? More like Kraepernick ;)

[crazyweslove]

How dare you! Kap is a god and he makes everyone else around him better, while Cam regresses everyone and everything as soon as he steps foot on the field. The stats speak for themselves. Take Kap's passing yards and rushing yards then multiply them by 9, divide that by 3, add the completion percentage, then subdivide that with his 3rd down efficiency, multiply that by 8 (repeating of course) and then carry the 3. You'll clearly see Kaepernick is above Cam Newton and every possible way! Some say Boldin bailed out Kap. I beg to differ! Kap bails out Boldin! Scrubs like Vernon, Crabs and Boldin are lucky to be having Kap pad their stats for them!

The fans that don't play against him are the ones voting over/under. I'd take the opinion of the people playing with him over the self appointed experts voting on ESPN.

[HighEndHits]

NFL insider article today. Mike Sando asked 26 anonymous NFL insiders to rank the 32 starting QBs. The breakdown of the 26 insiders is as follows: Eight general managers, two former GMs, four pro personnel evaluators, seven coordinators, two head coaches, two position coaches and a top executive.

"Five QBs cracked Tier 1, including one surprise. Ten other QBs fell into Tier 2 and nine landed in Tier 3. The remaining eight starters fell into Tier 4. Five of them received nearly as many Tier 5 votes, but not enough to drop any of them into that bottom level."

Kaepernick - Tier 2
Newton - Tier 3

[Qwasian]

cam is top 10 to me, he's a beast, if he had the right team around him he would probably be close to #1, definately top 5.

[panther252]

NFL insider article today. Mike Sando asked 26 anonymous NFL insiders to rank the 32 starting QBs. The breakdown of the 26 insiders is as follows: Eight general managers, two former GMs, four pro personnel evaluators, seven coordinators, two head coaches, two position coaches and a top executive.

"Five QBs cracked Tier 1, including one surprise. Ten other QBs fell into Tier 2 and nine landed in Tier 3. The remaining eight starters fell into Tier 4. Five of them received nearly as many Tier 5 votes, but not enough to drop any of them into that bottom level."

Kaepernick - Tier 2
Newton - Tier 3

Cam tier 3!? That's still too damn high!!!!!!! The real question is why is Kaepernick only tier 2 and not tier 1!?!?

[freethrowtommy]

Kaepernick? More like Kraepernick ;)

Nailed it!

How is it possible that the fan of the guy who has one of the best o-lines and defenses in the NFL is hammering on another QB with a similar skill set?

If you look at what Kaep and Cam have to work with, it is pretty obvious which team has more talent around their QB... and it isn't close.

[zonacats8]

Swap the team names and I'd love to see how this discussion would have went.

If you had the exact same teams, with the same stats, same records, same everything, except Kaepernick and the "49ers" were really the Panthers and Cam and the "Panthers" were really the 49ers, this would be an entirely different situation.

People would be saying how the "Panthers" were winning because of everything around Kaepernick and that Cam was doing an amazing job with nothing around him.

But because Kaepernick plays for the all mighty San Fransisco 49ers, he can do no wrong and they win because of the QB, not because they have maybe the best O-lines in the league, not because they have a top 5 defense, not because hey have a stout running game, and not because they have legitate NFL caliber WR's.

[BirdLaw]

Kaep's contract also removes "arrogant" from his list of possible characteristics. I don't believe Cam has the ability to be humble or swallow his pride for the good of the Panthers organization.

This is remarkably easy to say when it's not your money.

[ninjacookies]

I'm just curious to know: of all the people criticizing Cam in this thread for not wanting that same fail ass contract...how many of you actively go and seek out jobs with endless performance based salary incentives/penalties. Do you go out there and think to yourself, 'damn, I sure hope this engineering position with Intel docks my paycheck 5 percent of my annual salary for each day missed even due to emergency...and I sure as hell hope I have to forfeit my salary and have my insurance reimburse the company a set amount should I come down with an injury/illness!'

Fact of the matter is, NOBODY in the NFL wants Kaep's contract...and it's nobody's fault by Colin's himself that he signed the dotted line on that thing. Sure, it eliminates risk on the team's side, but Kaep better pray he doesn't get taken out by the knees because he might just find himself having difficulty getting new kicks to match the custom paintjob on his F-type.