Poll: Will Pete Rose Ever Get In?

[Sdog77]

I'd really like to see him get in while he is still living.

Think it would be cool to induct him and Joe Jackson the same year.

Maybe on a down year when nobody else is voted in?

[death2redemptions]

Yes, but only after he dies.

[WCTYSON]

Never will be inducted and he should never be inducted.

[matvoo]

Joe jackson deserves it but not pete rose

[briscogun]

I think he should be in for his playing career, but I'd note on his plaque that he was banned from baseball for gambling as a manager. He'll never get in, though.

[thehueys]

He managed an independent league game the other day and got the W

[awz50]

He will....once he is dead

[Joe]

Joe jackson deserves it but not pete rose

Joe took the money... played well, but took the money. Pete never lost a game on purpose in his life and from what I know, didn't gamble while playing. Pete has a better shot at getting in than Joe does.

[caster513]

Charlie Hustle will get in, but after he passes.

[babybull]

Joe took the money... played well, but took the money. Pete never lost a game on purpose in his life and from what I know, didn't gamble while playing. Pete has a better shot at getting in than Joe does.

Did he always bet on the Reds to win? Everyday? Why would he not bet some days and bet others?

[rats60]

No chance. Anyone saying otherwise is voting with their heart and not their head. Pete broke the unbreakable rule. He will pay with a permanent ban from baseball and the HOF.

[Ajax1723]

I said no, but for a slightly different reason.

Let's say for argument's sake, he gets reinstated. Awesome, good for Pete. However, he then needs a 75% majority to get in. I'm not sure if 75% of the eligble voters would vote him in. If voting was based solely on statistics, then sure, he would be in, but I feel like too many people would keep him out due to the 25 year plus ban he received.

[centereacan06]

Not until Selig is out as commissioner, so hopefully soon.

[TheAntiCard]

No chance. Anyone saying otherwise is voting with their heart and not their head. Pete broke the unbreakable rule. He will pay with a permanent ban from baseball and the HOF.

That might be but I am one of those who argue that drug use, domestic violence and criminal violations should pay a heavier price than what Pete did. It's unbelievable that a player can commit a crime and still play but Pete is out for life. Does not compute.

[Giancarlo27]

Absolutely no chance whatsoever. And whoever says shoeless joe should get in is simply uninformed. Just because he didn't play badly in the series doesn't mean he is absolved of any wrongdoing. As stated above, he initially was complicit in the fix.

[death2redemptions]

I said no, but for a slightly different reason.

Let's say for argument's sake, he gets reinstated. Awesome, good for Pete. However, he then needs a 75% majority to get in. I'm not sure if 75% of the eligble voters would vote him in. If voting was based solely on statistics, then sure, he would be in, but I feel like too many people would keep him out due to the 25 year plus ban he received.

I don't think there would be a vote, I think he would get in through the Veterans Committee

[MetDude]

That might be but I am one of those who argue that drug use, domestic violence and criminal violations should pay a heavier price than what Pete did. It's unbelievable that a player can commit a crime and still play but Pete is out for life. Does not compute.

Integrity of the game

Guy doing coke while beating his wife and kids gives baseball a black eye.

Guy managing a team betting on the outcome raises game fixing concerns.
Said guy gets caught and game fixing concerns extend to entire playing career

did he EVER intentionally strike out to lose a guy a game so he could win a bet?
As I recall,
He says he only bet while he was a manager and
he says he always bet for his team.

How do I KNOW for sure that he NEVER threw a game for $$$?

His word?

Combined with the knowledge that people with addictions tend to
LIE their asses off, of what value is his word?

Its a shame. but he did it to himself.

[Nyfancam01]

yes, after he passes away...

HE SHOULD ALREADY BE IN.

[desertdogg]

pete rose will get in, it just he will never seen it in his life time .

[RedsRule]

Never will be inducted and he should never be inducted.

Lol because he is a "bad" person who bet on the Reds? Ty Cobb was a horrible person and is in. There are a ton of examples like that.



Also saying Shoeless Joe should be in and not Rose is ridiculious & quite stupid.

[free2131]

A lifetime ban should end when the person is dead. I have no issues with him being allowed in when he passes.

As for the whole "never bet against the Reds" argument... why would you believe a man who lied for decades? Rose would sign a turd if it got him $20. Besides, even if he DIDN'T bet against his own team, what happens if maybe he loses a few bets and owes his booky a lot of money. What if the guy says, "Al right Pete, if you shave a few runs off here or make a few bad choices there we can call it even." Petey boy isn't exactly a virtue of morality.

[jackmac1983]

pete gets in, after Selig is out. he bet ON THE REDS.

[cardozo]

if to get into Leaf HQ to sign another 10.000 autographs then yes :D.

[phosgene]

he might get in once bud selig is dead. I think that may be the more important event.

completely asinine for him not to be in the hall. his enshrinement is for his playing career, and I'm not aware that he ever gambled during the period where he put up his hof numbers. was he a player/manager in his 40s when he was gambling? possibly, but he was already in the hall for his work years earlier.

sorry, kids, but if cobb's in the hall, they really can't keep anybody out for character issues. rose and bonds in the same class. let's do this!

[VeedonFleece]

Integrity of the game

Guy doing coke while beating his wife and kids gives baseball a black eye.

Guy managing a team betting on the outcome raises game fixing concerns.
Said guy gets caught and game fixing concerns extend to entire playing career

did he EVER intentionally strike out to lose a guy a game so he could win a bet?
As I recall,
He says he only bet while he was a manager and
he says he always bet for his team.

How do I KNOW for sure that he NEVER threw a game for $$$?

His word?

Combined with the knowledge that people with addictions tend to
LIE their asses off, of what value is his word?

Its a shame. but he did it to himself.


Great post. I'd still put him in though.

Edit: While he's alive! I don't see the point in putting him in after he's gone.

[scurvey90]

Did he always bet on the Reds to win? Everyday? Why would he not bet some days and bet others?

Would you bet if your team was facing Kershaw?
Would you bet if your team is facing Bronson Arroyo?

[Sdog77]

A lifetime ban should end when the person is dead. I have no issues with him being allowed in when he passes.

As for the whole "never bet against the Reds" argument... why would you believe a man who lied for decades? Rose would sign a turd if it got him $20. Besides, even if he DIDN'T bet against his own team, what happens if maybe he loses a few bets and owes his booky a lot of money. What if the guy says, "Al right Pete, if you shave a few runs off here or make a few bad choices there we can call it even." Petey boy isn't exactly a virtue of morality.

^^ "sign a turd" LOL thanks for the morning chuckle!

[briscogun]

A lifetime ban should end when the person is dead. I have no issues with him being allowed in when he passes.

As for the whole "never bet against the Reds" argument... why would you believe a man who lied for decades? Rose would sign a turd if it got him $20. Besides, even if he DIDN'T bet against his own team, what happens if maybe he loses a few bets and owes his booky a lot of money. What if the guy says, "Al right Pete, if you shave a few runs off here or make a few bad choices there we can call it even." Petey boy isn't exactly a virtue of morality.

Bingo. This guy gets it.

If you want to understand the reason for the hyper-sensativity towards gambling, go and read some of the material out there on the Black Sox and the aftermath of that scandal. It almost brought baseball down completely. Its what created the commissioners role in the first place.

What sins a player commits outside the field of play (drugs, beatings, etc) are not relavant or controllable by MLB. But ANYTHING that questions the integrity of the game is of huge importance and dealt with severely if needed. That's why PEDs are such a hot topic. Its an integrity issue in baseball and not the other sports.

The cardinal sin in baseball is gambling. Period. Has been for almost 100 years now. It is public enemy #1.

And remember, Selig didn't ban Rose. I beleive it was Vincent.

[peterose4hof]

I too believe he will be inducted posthumously.

Attendance will be 3-4X the previous record for an induction weekend; Cooperstown won't know what hit them. My boy Pete, though incredibly flawed, won the hearts of millions with his win-at-all-costs, hustling on every play style.

I wonder if Pete has had a conversation with someone about who would speak on his behalf if he is inducted after he dies? (His son, Mike Schmidt, Johnny Bench)

[dasiegel]

what baseball does sometimes is so archaic, cruel and disgusting they should be ashamed. i agree with he forum majority, he will get in when hes dead. which is pathetic. that means they just wanted to torture him. hes one of the best people baseball has ever seen on the field and they should either a) figure out a way to induct him or b) never add him to the HOF. if they put him in after he dies, what was the point other than to torment him. pisses me off AND i'm aware rose is a d!ck.

[nera20]

They really should look at the game in a whole if you never let Pete Rose in then they shouldn't allow guys like A-Rod, Clemens, and other players that have cheated in other ways either. There should be a rule straight down the middle for all cheaters no matter who they are. Rose was an amazing player but he probably never gets in unless dead.

[MW Connection]

he should be allowed in. So he bet a little bit on his team, who cares.

[MetDude]

They really should look at the game in a whole if you never let Pete Rose in then they shouldn't allow guys like A-Rod, Clemens, and other players that have cheated in other ways either. There should be a rule straight down the middle for all cheaters no matter who they are. Rose was an amazing player but he probably never gets in unless dead.

I wouldnt mind one little bit if proven steroid users got the HoF ban.

question - I had though the HoF was its own entity not owned by MLB.
So, in theory, if the HOF really wanted to do an induction vote for Pete Rose, it could.

no?

Similarly, if the next commisioner lifted the pete rose ban the Hof would not necessarily be required to lift theirs.

[bubbs11]

No and I don't believe he was banned because of character issues. Baseball rules say you can be a bigot, drunk, racist, probably even PED use in the future. Baseball simply states you cannot bet on games or support the nazi party.

Don't forget Mantle and Mays were banned after retiring for being at a casino and signing autographs. Ban was obviously lifted but baseballs stance on gambling should have been evident.

Sorry Pete, you f'd up one simple rule