Mets Fan Who do you prefer?

[EJohnson]

Zach Wheeler or Noah Syndergaard? Who do you think will be the #2 behind Harvey? (Assuming both were in majors)

[thunda99]

As of right now I need to say Wheeler because Noah hasn't pitched in a big league game yet. Wheeler has the experience and in my opinion has shown lots of potential, he struggles a bit from time to time but when he settles down and figures it out he throws gems, just like his last start. Regardless I don't care about the number, both in the rotation will help a lot despite who is 2,3,4,5

[Bonestar]

I can't say I prefer one to the other but I'd have to agree with thunda to a certain extent...Wheeler has given flashes of what he is going to be in a year or two. When he's locked in he's an ace and I have no doubt he'll figure things out and have a great MLB career.

Syndergaard has looked like a monster in the minors and I personally think he is a can't miss top end of the rotation starter. When it comes down to it the spots in the Mets rotation will be superficial....Harvey will be #1, Wheeler will be #2, and Syndergaard will be #3..but the truth will be that on other teams each of them would be a #1 starter.

It will be more of a 1A, 1B, 1C with the Mets rotation...then of course you get to face Niese and Gee as the 4 and 5 who are honestly quality #2 and #3 starting pitchers. Assuming Harvey returns to form after this season and that Syndergaard is as good as in the bigs as he's looked in the minors...the Mets will easily have the best starting rotation in baseball.

Now just if they could figure out a way to improve that lineup :rolleyes:

[metsplaya123]

Whatever happens, the mets need to trade one of these arms for a big bat. If you put a big bat in this lineup all of a sudden they could be in first place. That is how good the pitching is.

[jbmets95]

Agreed.... Trade for a bat

The future is great tho... Wheeler has like a 3.66 ERA in his 30+ starts and is only 24
Whatever happens, the mets need to trade one of these arms for a big bat. If you put a big bat in this lineup all of a sudden they could be in first place. That is how good the pitching is.

[Bonestar]

Agreed.... Trade for a bat

The future is great tho... Wheeler has like a 3.66 ERA in his 30+ starts and is only 24

Whatever happens, the mets need to trade one of these arms for a big bat. If you put a big bat in this lineup all of a sudden they could be in first place. That is how good the pitching is.

Agree with you guys. I have a feeling that they will package De Grom with someone another prospect or two for an impact bat. De Grom has looked pretty good so far I'd think some teams have to be interested in him if he keeps it up.

[enyouartist]

Wheeler is a stud. I'm a big time believer in his stuff. I think his cards are really undervalued.
DeGrom reminds me of Jared Weaver. Maybe it's just the hair, but he looks promising.

Syndergaard has already had arm trouble, so I'm a bit circumspect about him. I say trade Syndergaard and DeGrom for a big bat. Or maybe the Mets can sign a big Cuban stud defector for reasonably cheap.

[Thommy]

Niese will be the 2, he has a 2.67 ERA

[frozenntimesports]

Wheeler will be the #1 starter, Harvey will be #2 and Syndergaard #3, but they could each be the top of about 20 rotations.

I would try to trade Gee and Niese and try to get a couple of bats. Brandon Nimmo and Dominic Smith will be here soon and you put Wright, Murphy, Nimmo, Smith and a couple of mid-tier hitters in the lineup and you have a contender.

Of course, if San Francisco wants to give us Clayton Blackburn and Joe Panik for Daniel Murphy, Bartolo Colon and Montero, I'll drive the three of them to San Francisco myself.

[jewcer2k5]

If our rotation ends up as:

Harvey
Wheeler/Syndergaard
Syndergaard/Wheeler
Niese
Gee/DeGrom

I will be a very happy person. If we trade any of the arms for a bat it has to be Wheeler. Hopefully we can move some guys through the system a little faster and be able to make a move. The big benefit of signing 1 or 2 year deals with the likes of Chris Young and Curtis Granderson is those contracts are gone quickly and we can make a push when a real FA hits the market. I dont see any need to trade them for a bat right away. Let the farm develop and dont be rushed.

[jewcer2k5]

Wheeler will be the #1 starter, Harvey will be #2 and Syndergaard #3, but they could each be the top of about 20 rotations.

I would try to trade Gee and Niese and try to get a couple of bats. Brandon Nimmo and Dominic Smith will be here soon and you put Wright, Murphy, Nimmo, Smith and a couple of mid-tier hitters in the lineup and you have a contender.

Of course, if San Francisco wants to give us Clayton Blackburn and Joe Panik for Daniel Murphy, Bartolo Colon and Montero, I'll drive the three of them to San Francisco myself.

Dom isnt smelling the majors until 2016 THE EARLIEST and most likely 2017. I think he has the potential to be GREAT, but 12 doubles and 0 HR in A+ ball isnt gonna do it in the majors.

[WCTYSON]

Whatever happens, the mets need to trade one of these arms for a big bat. If you put a big bat in this lineup all of a sudden they could be in first place. That is how good the pitching is.

Agreed.... Trade for a bat

The future is great tho... Wheeler has like a 3.66 ERA in his 30+ starts and is only 24

Wheeler is a stud. I'm a big time believer in his stuff. I think his cards are really undervalued.
DeGrom reminds me of Jared Weaver. Maybe it's just the hair, but he looks promising.

Syndergaard has already had arm trouble, so I'm a bit circumspect about him. I say trade Syndergaard and DeGrom for a big bat. Or maybe the Mets can sign a big Cuban stud defector for reasonably cheap.

Their starting staff is awful. They walk a lot of batters and do not have any power arms either. I seriously think Mets fans watch a different game than baseball all together. Wheeler has been the best on the staff but his ERA is near 4 and has a walk rate over 3.5/per 9. Seriously, you guys are delusional. Please feel free to correct me but I do not see any long term, front end arms currently in the rotation.

[jewcer2k5]

Their starting staff is awful. They walk a lot of batters and do not have any power arms either. I seriously think Mets fans watch a different game than baseball all together. Wheeler has been the best on the staff but his ERA is near 4 and has a walk rate over 3.5/per 9. Seriously, you guys are delusional. Please feel free to correct me but I do not see any long term, front end arms currently in the rotation.

Currently pitching I agree with you. I like Syndy and Harvey as 1/2 in either order long term. I've disliked Wheeler since he was pitching in the PCL last year and said "it's too humid so I can't pitch well here". A guy making excuses in AAA is not a major leaguer and is not someone that will make it in NY. When "on" he has been dominant the problem is for every good start he has 2 or 3 bad starts.

DeGrom is a back of the rotation guy at best. Niese and Gee are 3's in most rotations so if they can be the 4/5 we are sitting really pretty.

[thunda99]

Their starting staff is awful. They walk a lot of batters and do not have any power arms either. I seriously think Mets fans watch a different game than baseball all together. Wheeler has been the best on the staff but his ERA is near 4 and has a walk rate over 3.5/per 9. Seriously, you guys are delusional. Please feel free to correct me but I do not see any long term, front end arms currently in the rotation.


Niese has been pretty darn good, Wheeler has had flashes of greatness, Degrom has held his own. No power arms? Degrom, and Wheeler both flash mid to upper 90's at times, but is that not power? I am a die hard Mets fan yet I am not delusional, the team is not anywhere near where they need to be but their staff gives me little to complain about.

[death2redemptions]

Dee Gordon

[WCTYSON]

Currently pitching I agree with you. I like Syndy and Harvey as 1/2 in either order long term. I've disliked Wheeler since he was pitching in the PCL last year and said "it's too humid so I can't pitch well here". A guy making excuses in AAA is not a major leaguer and is not someone that will make it in NY. When "on" he has been dominant the problem is for every good start he has 2 or 3 bad starts.

DeGrom is a back of the rotation guy at best. Niese and Gee are 3's in most rotations so if they can be the 4/5 we are sitting really pretty.

That is a very fair evaluation.

[hotbox]

Their starting staff is awful. They walk a lot of batters and do not have any power arms either. I seriously think Mets fans watch a different game than baseball all together. Wheeler has been the best on the staff but his ERA is near 4 and has a walk rate over 3.5/per 9. Seriously, you guys are delusional. Please feel free to correct me but I do not see any long term, front end arms currently in the rotation.

No, Niese has been much better than Wheeler thus far this season.

It hasn't been as bad as you think:
-Gee was pitching well before getting hurt
-Wheeler has been up and down this year, when he's good he's good, when he's bad he's bad. There hasn't been an in between.
-Niese has been relatively consistent in a good way
-Colon looked bad in the beginning of the season, but has looked great in the past month or so
-deGrom had the hot start and then cooled off

It's the offense that is the problem. In lots of these losses, the Mets score 0-2 runs. If your pitcher gives up four runs, the offense should stand a chance to get back in the game.

The Mets offense is not like that lol

[metsplaya123]

Their starting staff is awful. They walk a lot of batters and do not have any power arms either. I seriously think Mets fans watch a different game than baseball all together. Wheeler has been the best on the staff but his ERA is near 4 and has a walk rate over 3.5/per 9. Seriously, you guys are delusional. Please feel free to correct me but I do not see any long term, front end arms currently in the rotation.
I completely disagree. Why don't you watch the games instead of looking at stats? How about colon? Of course look at his era and it doesn't look impressive but if you take away his starts against the angels and Yankees his era is probably lower than 3. He has given up 8 runs in his last 6 games. Wheeler has been incosistent but still has a better start to his career then kershaw and a few other studs, degrom has been impressive for a rookie, dice k has been really good who is filling in for the even better gee, and Niese hasn't given up more than 3 runs in 19 straight starts. They are in every game because of their pitching.

I am a realist and not a homer but anyone saying bad things about the mets pitching is the delusional one

[WCTYSON]

I completely disagree. Why don't you watch the games instead of looking at stats? How about colon? Of course look at his era and it doesn't look impressive but if you ale away his starts against the angels and Yankees his era is probably lower than 3. Wheeler has been incosistent but still has a better start to his career then kershaw and a few other studs, degrom has been impressive for a rookie, dice k has been really good who is filling in for the even better gee, and Niese hasn't given up more than 3 runs in 19 straight starts. They are in every game because of their pitching.

I know reading and spelling are not your strong suit. I did say I do not see any long term, front of the rotation arms currently in their rotation. Feel free to post your long term projected rotation from their current starters. Now do you truly think that stacks up as one of the best rotations?

[xbignick]

Bartolo Colon's not here long-term so won't discuss here.

Harvey has shown what he's capable of so won't discuss him.

Syndergaard has the potential you look for in a possible front-of-the-rotation type starter but needs to show he can be productive at the MLB level. Went from last year this time to Law being down on his secondary pitches to one of the top pitching prospects in baseball by basically everyone. Excited, but needs MLB success. Can he do it? Sure, but certainly not a given.

Wheeler's having a great year in my mind, ERA may not match up but you can see why with the peripherals and in his last start showed you his potential with every one of his pitches, what he can do when it all connects. He's the type of guy I want filling the middle of rotation when he's right.

Jacob deGrom went through the system fast but I've always been a fan. He has shown he can also be productive with the bat, which does add a little value especially when the Mets had an empty hole back there to start the year. Irreplaceable piece? No. Front of the rotation starter? Don't think so. But can provide value in the back-end as a cheap piece or as a guy traded in a deal for a bat.

Gee's an inning eater for me. Can fit in the rotation and cannot. If they were to trade him I would not be upset about it.

I'm a fan of Niese, especially since he's a lefty. Hasn't been striking out as much as many as I would like but if he keeps the walks down I'm fine with it.

Harvey
Syndergaard
Niese
Wheeler

is what I look forward to. In a perfect world they're all successful and injury-free, but the world isn't perfect. Fifth spot can be a toss-up between organizational arms (guys discussed, guys with live arms like Fulmer, or guys re-igniting potential like Matz) or a free agent pitcher. We want them to spend, so can't fall in love with just passing pieces, those are the ones we let go of and replace with valuable spent-on pieces with sure value.

[metsplaya123]

I know reading and spelling are not your strong suit. I did say I do not see any long term, front of the rotation arms currently in their rotation. Feel free to post your long term projected rotation from their current starters. Now do you truly think that stacks up as one of the best rotations?
You did say their starting pitching is awful. Either you're trolling or you're just blind. Idk what the argument is. The mets get consistent pitching every game and are in every game because of it. Long term arms? I see harvey, wheeler, and Niese/gee. Is that good enough?

[BigDan502]

Few met fans have seen Noah pitch.
I like wheeler as long as he becomes a little more economical with his pitches and cuts down on walks

[Bonestar]

Their starting staff is awful. They walk a lot of batters and do not have any power arms either. I seriously think Mets fans watch a different game than baseball all together. Wheeler has been the best on the staff but his ERA is near 4 and has a walk rate over 3.5/per 9. Seriously, you guys are delusional. Please feel free to correct me but I do not see any long term, front end arms currently in the rotation.

No power arms? Harvey throws mid to high 90s, Wheeler throws mid to high 90s, Syndergaard throws mid to high 90s...and De Grom reaches 95.


What the hell are you talking about?

[metsplaya123]

No power arms? Harvey throws mid to high 90s, Wheeler throws mid to high 90s, Syndergaard throws mid to high 90s...and De Grom reaches 95.


What the hell are you talking about?
he is a troll, I don't take anything he says seriously

[WCTYSON]

No power arms? Harvey throws mid to high 90s, Wheeler throws mid to high 90s, Syndergaard throws mid to high 90s...and De Grom reaches 95.

What the hell are you talking about?

he is a troll, I don't take anything he says seriously

A lot of pitchers throw in the 90's in MLB. Of all the pitchers you listed above, only two of them have pitched in MLB this season. And of the two, Wheeler has a walk rate well over 3.5/per 9 and deGroms is near 4/per 9. Just trolling though. :rolleyes:

[Bonestar]

A lot of pitchers throw in the 90's in MLB. Of all the pitchers you listed above, only two of them have pitched in MLB this season. And of the two, Wheeler has a walk rate well over 3.5/per 9 and deGroms is near 4/per 9. Just trolling though. :rolleyes:

You said they have no power arms. Regardless of being in the majors or not....how hard you throw is how hard you throw. There are plenty of pitchers who throw 91 and 92...not plenty who throw 95-98.

[WCTYSON]

You said they have no power arms. Regardless of being in the majors or not....how hard you throw is how hard you throw. There are plenty of pitchers who throw 91 and 92...not plenty who throw 95-98.

Right you are, sorry. The Mets have one of the best starting staffs in baseball. They are just one major impact bat away from contention. Better? :cool:

[metsplaya123]

Right you are, sorry. The Mets have one of the best starting staffs in baseball. They are just one major impact bat away from contention. Better? :cool:
they are, again you're trying to make a joke when it is the truth

[WCTYSON]

they are, again you're trying to make a joke when it is the truth

Feel free to have some numbers that actually support what you say.

[metsplaya123]

Feel free to have some numbers that actually support what you say.
I don't need numbers, I watch the games. They are not a good overall team because of their offense, but they are in almost every single game they play because of their pitching. Now if we add an impact bat that is clutch, then all of a sudden the 20 one run games that we lose start becoming wins. What is your definition of an impact bat? Idk, but if we are talking a big bat then this team would be at the top of the divison one would think.

[Bonestar]

Right you are, sorry. The Mets have one of the best starting staffs in baseball. They are just one major impact bat away from contention. Better? :cool:

No one said they have the best rotation in baseball this year.

[WCTYSON]

I don't need numbers, I watch the games. They are not a good overall team because of their offense, but they are in almost every single game they play because of their pitching. Now if we add an impact bat that is clutch, then all of a sudden the 20 one run games that we lose start becoming wins. What is your definition of an impact bat? Idk, but if we are talking a big bat then this team would be at the top of the divison one would think.

:coffee::coffee::coffee::coffee:

Delusional.

[metsplaya123]

:coffee::coffee::coffee::coffee:

Delusional.
how is that delusional? I am sure you see my comments in the mets thread, I am the exact opposite of delusional. Please explain how a big bat wouldn't make this team 5 games better and in first?

[hotbox]

Mets fans who watch about all of the games know that pitching has not been the problem.

[centereacan06]

I'd rather have Wheeler solely because he has had MLB success already. I believe Syndergaard will be just as good, if not better, but right now, give me the sure thing.

[WCTYSON]

Mets fans who watch about all of the games know that pitching has not been the problem.

Never claimed to watch a lot of Mets games but I have seen enough of them this season to realize they are more than one bat away from contention. Their staff has been a problem. They always have someone on base. Never said their bats were not also an issue but they are far from it being one bat away.

[jbmets95]

Not sure how you can legitimately say they have an awful starting rotation...

Its their hitting... Their bullpen...

Bobby Parnell
Valverde
Farnsworth

Were all closers at somepoint with the Mets this year... already onto the 4th...

With a terrible bullpen and terrible lineup there has to b a reason they are only 5 games under .500

am i right??

Pitching seems pretty good especially without Gee for half the year...
Not trying to jump on u but ur wrong...


Hitting:

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac172/jbmets95/GONE/ScreenShot2014-06-22at83235PM_zps5c901d84.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/jbmets95/media/GONE/ScreenShot2014-06-22at83235PM_zps5c901d84.jpg.html)

Pitching:

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac172/jbmets95/GONE/ScreenShot2014-06-22at83229PM_zpsbabb6b75.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/jbmets95/media/GONE/ScreenShot2014-06-22at83229PM_zpsbabb6b75.jpg.html)

Never claimed to watch a lot of Mets games but I have seen enough of them this season to realize they are more than one bat away from contention. There staff has been a problem. They always have someone on base. Never said their bats were not also an issue but they are far from it being one bat away.

[WCTYSON]

Their starting staff is awful. Please feel free to correct me but I do not see any long term, front end arms currently in the rotation.

Wheeler will be the #1 starter, Harvey will be #2 and Syndergaard #3, but they could each be the top of about 20 rotations.

I would try to trade Gee and Niese and try to get a couple of bats. Brandon Nimmo and Dominic Smith will be here soon and you put Wright, Murphy, Nimmo, Smith and a couple of mid-tier hitters in the lineup and you have a contender.

Of course, if San Francisco wants to give us Clayton Blackburn and Joe Panik for Daniel Murphy, Bartolo Colon and Montero, I'll drive the three of them to San Francisco myself.

This type of stuff is what gets to me about some Mets fans.

Not sure how you can legitimately say they have an awful starting rotation...

Its their hitting... Their bullpen...

Bobby Parnell
Valverde
Farnsworth

Were all closers at somepoint with the Mets this year... already onto the 4th...

With a terrible bullpen and terrible lineup there has to b a reason they are only 5 games under .500

am i right??

Pitching seems pretty good especially without Gee for half the year...
Not trying to jump on u but ur wrong...


Hitting:

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac172/jbmets95/GONE/ScreenShot2014-06-22at83235PM_zps5c901d84.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/jbmets95/media/GONE/ScreenShot2014-06-22at83235PM_zps5c901d84.jpg.html)

Pitching:

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac172/jbmets95/GONE/ScreenShot2014-06-22at83229PM_zpsbabb6b75.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/jbmets95/media/GONE/ScreenShot2014-06-22at83229PM_zpsbabb6b75.jpg.html)

Bats are certainly an issue as well. I did not see the (QS) number, which is solid. The WHIP is middle of the pack and their xFIP is the highest in the NL besides the wonderful rotation in Colorado. I have a feeling they are going to have very different results in the second half of the season, which is going to place them much further back than 5 games for contention. Adding an impact bat is not going to change that, especially if some Mets fans are talking about trading some of their elite starting staff.

[Metsfan1121]

Their starting staff is awful. They walk a lot of batters and do not have any power arms either. I seriously think Mets fans watch a different game than baseball all together. Wheeler has been the best on the staff but his ERA is near 4 and has a walk rate over 3.5/per 9. Seriously, you guys are delusional. Please feel free to correct me but I do not see any long term, front end arms currently in the rotation.
I would say there are 3 starting pitchers (Niese, Colon, Gee) on the Mets having better years than Wheeler. Honestly if you aren't a believer in the DIPS theories you could argue he's the worst pitcher on the staff. Of the Mets starters this year, he's 6th in ERA. He's been one of the worst starters, and I'm speaking as far as what has happened already, not what will happen in the future. He leads the team in xFIP and FIP and SIERA which are all much better predictors, perhaps the rest of the staff has simply been lucky. Also I think Niese is a "long term, front end arm".

[Wrightfan85]

Has to be Wheeler right now. I still believe in Syndergaard but Wheeler is an MLB starting pitcher right now.