2014 Bowman Football checklist: Yuck

[Ajax1723]

Surprised no one posted this yet but....

2014 Bowman Football (HOBBY) - Football - Hobby Catalog & Checklists - Trading Cards - Collectibles (http://www.topps.com/collectibles/trading-cards/all-hobby-product/football/2014-bowman-football-hobby.html)

Feast your eyes on all the undrafted base autos you'll pull this year. 105 subjects on the checklist.

[BrewCrewBall27]

so glad i sold my spots in the 5 bowman case break

[MW Connection]

couple this with the ugly airbrush and Topps has tarnished the Bowman name for football cards. nice job.

[garpike]

Surprised no one posted this yet but....

2014 Bowman Football (HOBBY) - Football - Hobby Catalog & Checklists - Trading Cards - Collectibles (http://www.topps.com/collectibles/trading-cards/all-hobby-product/football/2014-bowman-football-hobby.html)

Feast your eyes on all the undrafted base autos you'll pull this year. 105 subjects on the checklist.

And 1 round drafts picks that don't even get a base card!!

COUGH...Calvin Pryor...COUGH

:(

[valleyofsun]

Wow yikes....these will be $60/box before u know it

[adamsbetter]

edit: misread

[calculusdork]

And 1 round drafts picks that don't even get a base card!!

COUGH...Calvin Pryor...COUGH

:(

Pryor, Greg Robinson, and Kelvin Benjamin are among the guys that I'm really surprised aren't on the auto checklist.

[oldgoldy97]

They got us! Decent product last years turns into potential crapola this year.

[Frankp2311]

Wow yikes....these will be $60/box before u know it

.....as the price keeps climbing another $100+ more today. You will get like 5 autos a box so it won't be that bad. This checklist in topps chrome at 1 hit per box, would be brutal.

[Joe]

.....as the price keeps climbing another $100+ more today. You will get like 5 autos a box so it won't be that bad. This checklist in topps chrome at 1 hit per box, would be brutal.

1324 for a case... ouch.

I've only got 1 case coming. Here's hoping I get at least a few decent auto's.

[auctionjmm]

We were VERY spoiled last year pulling 13-14 colored autos per case. It was absolutely insane how much value last year's product has, and why it doubled in price despite a terrible rookie class.

This year we have an outstanding rookie class and will still get 7-8 colored autos. Player lots will be big sellers on the base end too. I am locked in around $800 so I have no worries, but definitely wouldn't pay more than $100 per box.

[PlayerOfTheGame]

So this is shady. Why do all of their sell sheets say UP TO 80 rookie autograph subjects and then they add 105. Isn't that false advertising?

http://www.blowoutcards.net/images/ss/2014bwhobbyFB.pdf

[calculusdork]

So this is shady. Why do all of their sell sheets say UP TO 80 rookie autograph subjects and then they add 105. Isn't that false advertising?

http://www.blowoutcards.net/images/ss/2014bwhobbyFB.pdf

It absolutely is, but I don't think they are strictly legally required to stick to the sell sheet. I tweeted this to them, but doubt they will respond.

[kyle1707]

SPX is Wednesday... looks much better IMO

[auctionjmm]

Actually, the undrafted rookie auto list is pretty strong now that I look at it. Most of those players were from big time colleges and were "college famous". I bet the likes of Tommy Rees and such will sell just fine.

[pac213up]

Not really surprising.

[calculusdork]

Actually, the undrafted rookie auto list is pretty strong now that I look at it. Most of those players were from big time colleges and were "college famous". I bet the likes of Tommy Rees and such will sell just fine.

Tommy Rees
Deanthony Thomas
Adrian Hubbard
Bryn Renner
Christian Jones
Connor Shaw
Isaiah Crowell


It could certainly be a lot worse.

[MW Connection]

SPX is Wednesday... looks much better IMO

yes. I am in for an 8 box case of this.

[rmw10]

So this is shady. Why do all of their sell sheets say UP TO 80 rookie autograph subjects and then they add 105. Isn't that false advertising?

http://www.blowoutcards.net/images/ss/2014bwhobbyFB.pdf

"Solicitation subject to change"

[storm]

SPX is Wednesday... looks much better IMO

Thats where im headed.

[BOOMER7]

Wow yikes....these will be $60/box before u know it

ZERO chance they drop to $60 or even under $100
these will be in the $125-135 range and sell well despite the checklist

[adamsbetter]

The big rookies in this will be extremely hot for the first couple of weeks. The great rookie class and the fact that Bowman baseball has just created a lot of interest will make this a big seller.

[usafshelland]

I guess I don't follow what all the hub bub is about... I see 106 potential guys you could pull. OMG, you aren't guaranteed a Johnny Manziel Auto 1/1? Say it isn't so! SMDH...

106 cards:
Rd 1 player odds: 21/106 = 19.8%
Rd 2 player odds: 18/106 = 17%
Rd 3 player odds: 11/106 = 10.4%
Rd 4 player odds: 7/106 = 6.6%
Rd 5 player odds: 10/106 = 9.4%
Rd 6 player odds: 8/106 = 7.5%
Rd 7 player odds: 3/106 = 2.8%
Undrafted Odds: 28/106 = 26.4%

Yes, your odds are you may get one undrafted rookie, but that looks pretty standard across most hoby cases.

[wingah]

I was hoping gronk wouldnt have any cards in this years set....dont feel like tracking down the 20+ variations

[calculusdork]

106 cards:
Rd 1 player odds: 21/106 = 19.8%
Rd 2 player odds: 18/106 = 17%
Rd 3 player odds: 11/106 = 10.4%
Rd 4 player odds: 7/106 = 6.6%
Rd 5 player odds: 10/106 = 9.4%
Rd 6 player odds: 8/106 = 7.5%
Rd 7 player odds: 3/106 = 2.8%
Undrafted Odds: 28/106 = 26.4%

Very solid post ... thanks for this info.

[ManInTheMirror]

I was hoping gronk wouldnt have any cards in this years set....dont feel like tracing down the 20+ variations
Then don't.

[MW Connection]

i am glad I passed on this stuff. Looks truly awful. Sorry for anyone that bought a case.

[BOOMER7]

i am glad I passed on this stuff. Looks truly awful. Sorry for anyone that bought a case.
LOL
why would you feel bad for someone who bought multiple cases and got in early at $750-850 and can flip them for almost $500 profit per case:confused:

[kdg1229]

Pryor, Greg Robinson, and Kelvin Benjamin are among the guys that I'm really surprised aren't on the auto checklist.

Benjamin's there, NFL Bowman Autographs (SP redemptions)

[MW Connection]

LOL
why would you feel bad for someone who bought multiple cases and got in early at $750-850 and can flip them for almost $500 profit per case:confused:

I doubt anyone bought in at that price

[calculusdork]

I doubt anyone bought in at that price

I know 8-10 people who bought in at that price. And I don't know many people in general.

[Joe]

I guess I don't follow what all the hub bub is about... I see 106 potential guys you could pull. OMG, you aren't guaranteed a Johnny Manziel Auto 1/1? Say it isn't so! SMDH...

106 cards:
Rd 1 player odds: 21/106 = 19.8%
Rd 2 player odds: 18/106 = 17%
Rd 3 player odds: 11/106 = 10.4%
Rd 4 player odds: 7/106 = 6.6%
Rd 5 player odds: 10/106 = 9.4%
Rd 6 player odds: 8/106 = 7.5%
Rd 7 player odds: 3/106 = 2.8%
Undrafted Odds: 28/106 = 26.4%

Yes, your odds are you may get one undrafted rookie, but that looks pretty standard across most hoby cases.

I like this guy... well done. At least wait until you open a box or case to complain guys... you gotta earn it first.

[PlayerOfTheGame]

I doubt anyone bought in at that price

I did :flex:

[wingah]

Then don't.

Thanks. I appreciate the insight.

[MW Connection]

I know 8-10 people who bought in at that price. And I don't know many people in general.

man. why do they price it so low if they knew 2013 sold well?

[frzg]

I guess I don't follow what all the hub bub is about... I see 106 potential guys you could pull. OMG, you aren't guaranteed a Johnny Manziel Auto 1/1? Say it isn't so! SMDH...

106 cards:
Rd 1 player odds: 21/106 = 19.8%
Rd 2 player odds: 18/106 = 17%
Rd 3 player odds: 11/106 = 10.4%
Rd 4 player odds: 7/106 = 6.6%
Rd 5 player odds: 10/106 = 9.4%
Rd 6 player odds: 8/106 = 7.5%
Rd 7 player odds: 3/106 = 2.8%
Undrafted Odds: 28/106 = 26.4%

Yes, your odds are you may get one undrafted rookie, but that looks pretty standard across most hoby cases.

Which is assuming Round 1 has the same production as Undrafted. Unfortunately your odds of pulling Allen Hurns are not the same as Johnny Manziel.

[MW Connection]

let me reword. I feel sorry for the people that buy the cases from you.

[calculusdork]

man. why do they price it so low if they knew 2013 sold well?

Because they knew they could bait people like me without disclosing that the print run would be twice as high :p

[Divino]

I guess I don't follow what all the hub bub is about... I see 106 potential guys you could pull. OMG, you aren't guaranteed a Johnny Manziel Auto 1/1? Say it isn't so! SMDH...

106 cards:
Rd 1 player odds: 21/106 = 19.8%
Rd 2 player odds: 18/106 = 17%
Rd 3 player odds: 11/106 = 10.4%
Rd 4 player odds: 7/106 = 6.6%
Rd 5 player odds: 10/106 = 9.4%
Rd 6 player odds: 8/106 = 7.5%
Rd 7 player odds: 3/106 = 2.8%
Undrafted Odds: 28/106 = 26.4%

Yes, your odds are you may get one undrafted rookie, but that looks pretty standard across most hoby cases.

This is assuming topps doesnt short print the round 1 top player autos....because you know, topps never does that...

[gamboooler]

I doubt anyone bought in at that price

I am also in at <$800.

I don't think a huge checklist is necessarily bad. You have guys that won't have many autos over the course of the year that are still kind of fresh in CFB fans' minds. It makes it easy to hit color, and it doesn't water down the value of the top-tier guys.

There's roughly 10,000 color autos that are orange /50 or better (CC says orange or better is hobby exclusive, so I'm not counting blue /99 or gold /75 even though there will be a lot of those in hobby). Allegedly, there are about 2700 cases out there. So you should be getting 3-4 autos /50 or lower per case plus whatever in terms of blues and golds. With 18,000 blues and golds out there, say half go to retail. That's another 3-4 blues or golds per case. Probably an average of 7-8 colors per case, not bad.

[MW Connection]

how will manziels cards sell in comparison to EJ last year. 200% more on average or more?

[calculusdork]

how will manziels cards sell in comparison to EJ last year. 200% more on average or more?

Based on his Score sticker autos ... I don't know, but they will be nuts. The pro uniform auto (redemption) may be a $500 card ... heck, maybe more.

[auctionjmm]

how will manziels cards sell in comparison to EJ last year. 200% more on average or more?

Way more. I pulled one of the best E.J. Autos in the product last year and if I remember correctly it only sold in the $200's. I think Manziel base autos alone will bring $200+.

[gamboooler]

Also 1000 NFL Uni redemptions and 2700 cases = decent shot at a pretty good hit. The guys like Manziel will go crazy high.

[drew306]

Really glad I didn't pre-order a case of this, checklist is horrible. That said, I'm glad 4 bears rookies have autos, even though I hadn't even heard of Christian Jones (who went undrafted).

[MeteoriteGuy]

I'm also glad I didn't pre-order. Who likes instant profit anyway?

[drew306]

I'm also glad I didn't pre-order. Who likes instant profit anyway?

The problem is, if I order cards, I will open them, and it looks like you would take a bath on a case of this even at 1,000.

[auctionjmm]

Really glad I didn't pre-order a case of this, checklist is horrible. That said, I'm glad 4 bears rookies have autos, even though I hadn't even heard of Christian Jones (who went undrafted).

The problem is, if I order cards, I will open them, and it looks like you would take a bath on a case of this even at 1,000.

I think the checklist is very loaded. Despite 105 names, I recognize over 90% of them. Lots of big name offensive talent. This year's draft was DEEP. So deep that a few stars weren't even drafted. There are very few no-namers. Watch and be shocked on Wednesday when the first sales start rolling in.

[drew306]

I think the checklist is very loaded. Despite 105 names, I recognize over 90% of them. Lots of big name offensive talent. This year's draft was DEEP. So deep that a few stars weren't even drafted. There are very few no-namers. Watch and be shocked on Wednesday when the first sales start rolling in.

There are tons of no-namers, a quarter of the checklist went undrafted, plus a bunch of random defensive players that no one but fans of the particular team will recognize. It is a much better draft class, and I'll try a couple boxes, but 105 names is ridiculous.

[kyle1707]

Well you get 50 autos per case?

Does not look really different then anything else...

No NFL unis hurt... But the superfractor chase etc...

Product will get busted a ton...

Still looking forward to SPX more... That is wednesday

[Frankp2311]

Not sure what all the negativity is about. I guess if you bought in under $900 you are excited, and if you didn't you are salty. Good news is that if you don't like this Panini will have Hot Rookies for you. :)!

[brandt12]

Is there retail for 2014 Bowman Football also?

[Joe]

Not sure what all the negativity is about. I guess if you bought in under $900 you are excited, and if you didn't you are salty. Good news is that if you don't like this Panini will have Hot Rookies for you. :)!

I have both coming in... and I actually think Hot Rookies will sell fairly well. Although pushing it back a week to release with Bowman and SPX didn't do anyone with Hot Rookies cases any favors.

[MW Connection]

Is there retail for 2014 Bowman Football also?

yes there is.

[chrisfaceoff]

really shocked that Calvin Pryor doesn't have an auto...shocked and bummed :(

[Zacky1053]

Not sure what all the negativity is about. I guess if you bought in under $900 you are excited, and if you didn't you are salty. Good news is that if you don't like this Panini will have Hot Rookies for you. :)!

Most of the undrafted players with autos in 2014 Bowman had autos in 2014 Upper Deck and I don't remember a ton of whining about that product.

The price definitely makes me re-think it though. I loved Upper Deck at about $90/box, but with this one at $130+ plus a bunch of airbrushed photography...pretty sure I'll go SPx if I get any of the new stuff this week.

[BigDan502]

Typical hate everything negativity.
I like the college unis in the early products. Bowman is essentially a minor league draft set in baseball so I like having the earliest football product in their college unis.
It's a long collecting season and it's nice to mix it up so every product isn't a cookie cutter version of the next.

I'm looking forward to the annual "inception chips" hate fest in a couple of months too.

[rauchand]

Just took a spot in Chris's group break for $40. That'll be enough for me.

[Welker83]

HOW IS THERE NO CAMERON WAKE?

Sorry Kinda mad at that.... but Dion jordan is in it?????

[calculusdork]

HOW IS THERE NO CAMERON WAKE?

Sorry Kinda mad at that.... but Dion jordan is in it?????

There are a few head-scratchers ...

[NorwayAllDay]

I would have liked to see Martavis Bryant included in this set

[garpike]

really shocked that Calvin Pryor doesn't have an auto...shocked and bummed :(

Me too...I was hoping for a few autos of him this year but just Upper Deck so far. :(

[usafshelland]

Very solid post ... thanks for this info.

I like this guy... well done. At least wait until you open a box or case to complain guys... you gotta earn it first.

Which is assuming Round 1 has the same production as Undrafted. Unfortunately your odds of pulling Allen Hurns are not the same as Johnny Manziel.

This is assuming topps doesnt short print the round 1 top player autos....because you know, topps never does that...

Thanks for the compliements...and yes, your odds suck if you really think you are going to buy a box and pull a Manziel Auto. Even if they were all evenly print runned (which we all know they won't be), you have a 1/106 chance of pulling a Johnny Manziel auto... 1/106 = .94% chance of getting a Manziel! That's not even 1%!!! WAKE UP!

Save your $100+ a box and buy a single Johnny Manziel auto from someone.

[MW Connection]

Thanks for the compliements...and yes, your odds suck if you really think you are going to buy a box and pull a Manziel Auto. Even if they were all evenly print runned (which we all know they won't be), you have a 1/106 chance of pulling a Johnny Manziel auto... 1/106 = .94% chance of getting a Manziel! That's not even 1%!!! WAKE UP!

Save your $100+ a box and buy a single Johnny Manziel auto from someone.

you could save the money and just buy one card but where is the fun in that? Sensible yes but not fun.

[fctryseald]

I was looking at the checklist from last year, and they only had the 80 subjects that they advertised. I'm sure they had undrafted players that signed last year as well, and they choose not to include them. Do you think Topps will include these undrafted players as extra hits? Or are they once again showing us that they believe they could put used bandaids in products, we`ll complain about it, but then come back next year and pre-order hoping they'll include used bandaids with Chrome technology.

[pcbuck]

Thanks for the compliements...and yes, your odds suck if you really think you are going to buy a box and pull a Manziel Auto. Even if they were all evenly print runned (which we all know they won't be), you have a 1/106 chance of pulling a Johnny Manziel auto... 1/106 = .94% chance of getting a Manziel! That's not even 1%!!! WAKE UP!

Save your $100+ a box and buy a single Johnny Manziel auto from someone.

There's 4 autographs per box though. So the odds are 3.77% if all the rookies are evenly printed.

[tajikey]

There's 4 autographs per box though. So the odds are 3.77% if all the rookies are evenly printed.

Which they won't be...

[Clarka3]

yay, looks like even more parallels.

[calculusdork]

Which they won't be...

http://i.imgur.com/nIoYAr8.jpg

[shrevecity]

So this is shady. Why do all of their sell sheets say UP TO 80 rookie autograph subjects and then they add 105. Isn't that false advertising?

http://www.blowoutcards.net/images/ss/2014bwhobbyFB.pdf

Very bottom

Solicitation subject to change

[D J Sportscards]

Could the non-drafted guys be extra hits like they were in last years product? That'd bring the list down to 78 names if so, which wouldn't be to bad. (wishful thinking I know, but thought I'd ask).

[Ajax1723]

Could the non-drafted guys be extra hits like they were in last years product? That'd bring the list down to 78 names if so, which wouldn't be to bad. (wishful thinking I know, but thought I'd ask).

Nope, 4 autos per box. Under Armour are the only extra hits this year, and they are rare.

[BoxBreaker72]

One of the ugliest looking products I have ever seen..

[Clarka3]

the one thing that was nice about the UDFA autos was the fact that they had two Bearcats in that part of the checklist.

[adamsbetter]

One of the ugliest looking products I have ever seen..

compared to hot rookies it looks like the best product of all time.

[fctryseald]

Could the non-drafted guys be extra hits like they were in last years product? That'd bring the list down to 78 names if so, which wouldn't be to bad. (wishful thinking I know, but thought I'd ask).

The sell sheet from 2013 is almost exactly the same as this year, so there is a chance that it could be extra hits.

[MW Connection]

One of the ugliest looking products I have ever seen..

agreed. I like most of Topps' products though.