Tyson Chandler going to the Mavs (Again)

[IamRalpho]

The Mavericks are close to reacquiring Tyson Chandler in a trade with the Knicks, according to ESPN.com.
The Knicks would get back Sam Dalembert, Jose Calderón, and Shane Larkin in this blockbuster deal.

Let the break up begin

[mrveggieman]

I like this trade from the prospective of an IP grapher. The knicks are a good signing team and I would love to get autos from those players. Other than that who cares neither one of those teams are going to make any noise for the foreseeable future.

[Jimmer327]

That was a trade just to make a trade. Really no impact either way. Chandler is the best player in the deal. Felton is awful.

[Rabie1]

I think the Knicks win in this deal.. A starting PG and C in one deal.

[cadillac540]

I like this trade from the prospective of an IP grapher. The knicks are a good signing team and I would love to get autos from those players. Other than that who cares neither one of those teams are going to make any noise for the foreseeable future.

Must not have watched much NBA this year, huh? Mavs took the Spurs to 7. They can absolutely make noise this season with a move or 2.

[IamRalpho]

Great trade for the Mavericks, trading spare parts for Chandler? Yes please

Calderon helps the Knicks obviously but this is making them worse.

[Giantrobot]

The Mavs won a title with Tyson just 3 years ago. Great move for them, IMO.

[paul06901]

As a Mavs fan, I'm very happy with this.

Not really giving up too much.

The deal was meant to replace Dalembert who has been so inconsistent and somewhat of a headcase all season long. Getting Chandler is a HUGE upgrade and he obviously fits in well to the Mavs system as apparent from a few years ago ;)

Calderon was a great 3-point shooter, but his lack of aggression to the rim was reminiscent of Steve Nash. He was equally as liable on defense as Nash.

Larkin is just too small to play NBA ball IMO. Aggressive player, but too much like a poor man's Jose Barea.



I'm very happy if this goes through, not giving up any cash and getting back a KEY piece to a championship team.


I'd go as far as saying if this trade took place mid-season this past season, the Mavs would have beat the Spurs and likely been NBA champs again... :D

[cadillac540]

Great trade for the Mavericks, trading spare parts for Chandler? Yes please

Calderon helps the Knicks obviously but this is making them worse.

I agree. This trade will clearly help the Mavericks

[AlabamaSlamma]

Must not have watched much NBA this year, huh? Mavs took the Spurs to 7. They can absolutely make noise this season with a move or 2.

ha, no kidding. the mavs were the only team who gave the spurs any trouble during the post season, but yeah...they'll suck next year...

love the move.

[DeetahRox]

I like this deal for both teams. Larkin has the potential to start for NY, and they badly need a PG. Dallas needed one or 2 more peices to win this year, and Chandler can be a defensive rock. Granted, they need to win now, with Dirk, Carter, and company not getting any younger.

[Jopeal]

The Knicks are in nba purgatory.
Smart move for the Mavs but I think they need another scorer in order to compete for a second title.

That said, I didn't think they had the talent to win their last title either.

[DeetahRox]

As a Mavs fan, I'm very happy with this.

Not really giving up too much.

The deal was meant to replace Dalembert who has been so inconsistent and somewhat of a headcase all season long. Getting Chandler is a HUGE upgrade and he obviously fits in well to the Mavs system as apparent from a few years ago ;)

Calderon was a great 3-point shooter, but his lack of aggression to the rim was reminiscent of Steve Nash. He was equally as liable on defense as Nash.

Larkin is just too small to play NBA ball IMO. Aggressive player, but too much like a poor man's Jose Barea.



I'm very happy if this goes through, not giving up any cash and getting back a KEY piece to a championship team.


I'd go as far as saying if this trade took place mid-season this past season, the Mavs would have beat the Spurs and likely been NBA champs again... :D

Bold statement. Also, its J.J. Barea. Not Jose.

[Jimmer327]

Knicks also get Wayne Ellington and a future 2nd Rounder.

[xavieronly1]

Chandler is a great guy for Dallas. And he is only 31 years old..lol

And Knicks is like getting the whole Raptors players together...hmm

[asujbl]

My definition of blockbuster is clearly not the same as others.

This trade makes no sense to me if I'm the Knicks.

So I'm taking back the 3 years and 22 million that is still owed to Calderon when I should be clearing every penny off my books for next years FA class?

I like it for Dallas. Even if Chandler doesn't pan out he's an expiring contract.

[Jimmer327]

Bold statement. Also, its J.J. Barea. Not Jose.

It is Jose. Jose Juan Barea. J.J. Barea.

[paul06901]

Bold statement. Also, its J.J. Barea. Not Jose.

As bold as a die-hard Mavs fan can be, but I believe every bit of it.

And it is Jose Barea, actually. Full name = Jose Juan Barea (J.J. Barea) :)!

[xavieronly1]

My definition of blockbuster is clearly not the same as others.

This trade makes no sense to me if I'm the Knicks.

So I'm taking back the 3 years and 22 million that is still owed to Calderon when I should be clearing every penny off my books for next years FA class?

I like it for Dallas. Even if Chandler doesn't pan out he's an expiring contract.

Maybe they think they can get FAs at discount price because IT IS NEW YORK CITY, BABY!

[Jopeal]

Knicks also get Wayne Ellington and a future 2nd Rounder.

Game changer......

[asujbl]

Maybe they think they can get FAs at discount price because IT IS NEW YORK CITY, BABY!

Haha that is always the theory I suppose - at least if you listen to New Yorkers.

I do love that fact that potentially (depending on if options are exercised - both team and player) that the only players the Knicks could have on their roster in 2015-16 would be Calderon, Hardaway, Larkin and Prigioni

I guess that's one way to start over.

[Hoopsman]

Great for Tyson.............Get the hell out of the mess that has become NYK

[xavieronly1]

Haha that is always the theory I suppose - at least if you listen to New Yorkers.

I do love that fact that potentially (depending on if options are exercised - both team and player) that the only players the Knicks could have on their roster in 2015-16 would be Calderon, Hardaway, Larkin and Prigioni

I guess that's one way to start over.

Great job to wait extra year to start over...

Anyway, I do think Dalembert is a great bargain for his number. Only $3 mil.

[sblez]

Felton was signed on for the same amount of years as Calderon just 4 million per year less. WE will still have a bunch of cap space for next year.

[knicks_please]

My definition of blockbuster is clearly not the same as others.

This trade makes no sense to me if I'm the Knicks.

So I'm taking back the 3 years and 22 million that is still owed to Calderon when I should be clearing every penny off my books for next years FA class?

I like it for Dallas. Even if Chandler doesn't pan out he's an expiring contract.

They traded Felton's 4 mil he was due in 15-16 for calderons 7 mil. Not a huge deal, and if you have to be stuck with one I think it's obvious who you'd rather be stuck with... Currently the Knicks only have 12 mil worth of contracts on the books that year, with Felton. So that's around 15 mil w Calderon. Basically only Calderon and JR smith. Which will be movable on contract years anyways. But either way they'll have plenty of cap space, and I have to believe Phil has a plan. Now at least they have a pg for now and possibly for the future. Dalembert isn't chandler but he's serviceable. I love Tyson but he's obviously on the decline and when he's banged up is a liability. I'm for this deal.

[hoopster3977]

I see the Knicks are re-arranging the deck chairs again. Fat Sammy for Fat Felton. Lutz....

[fritzfreddie]

Plan with Calderon is to maybe deal him some point wouldn't it? Maybe a trade deadline thing to a team that has a PG injury and thinks they still can contend. Or is he too high priced for something like that?

Biggest thing to me is this means Knicks are acting like Melo isn't coming back and are ready to tank next year for a high pick. I don't see how this entices Melo to comeback to send off the anchor of the defense and doesn't seem to open any new doors for this year.

[hotbox]

Good for the Knicks to get rid of Felton.

[knicks_please]

Plan with Calderon is to maybe deal him some point wouldn't it? Maybe a trade deadline thing to a team that has a PG injury and thinks they still can contend. Or is he too high priced for something like that?

Biggest thing to me is this means Knicks are acting like Melo isn't coming back and are ready to tank next year for a high pick. I don't see how this entices Melo to comeback to send off the anchor of the defense and doesn't seem to open any new doors for this year.

He's certainly more tradeable than felton, and he'd be a great fit for the triangle since he's a knock down 3 point shooter...

[paul06901]

The trade was great for both teams.

However, it just made the Knicks a bit better offensively.

It made the Mavs a championship contender ;)



(I DON'T LIKE THAT FELTON IS COMING ALONG ... LEAVE HIM BEHIND TYSON!)

[pepsiporch]

Now we need to get rid of shumpert and Pablo

[IamRalpho]

Surprised Cuban took fat Felton in this AND gave up a pick.

Shumpert for the Thunders latest #1st makes SO much sense to me

[knicks_please]

Surprised Cuban took fat Felton in this AND gave up a pick.

Shumpert for the Thunders latest #1st makes SO much sense to me

Apparently Knicks getting 34th and 51st pick...so 2 picks!

[pepsiporch]

They traded Felton's 4 mil he was due in 15-16 for calderons 7 mil. Not a huge deal, and if you have to be stuck with one I think it's obvious who you'd rather be stuck with... Currently the Knicks only have 12 mil worth of contracts on the books that year, with Felton. So that's around 15 mil w Calderon. Basically only Calderon and JR smith. Which will be movable on contract years anyways. But either way they'll have plenty of cap space, and I have to believe Phil has a plan. Now at least they have a pg for now and possibly for the future. Dalembert isn't chandler but he's serviceable. I love Tyson but he's obviously on the decline and when he's banged up is a liability. I'm for this deal.

Calderon is not a pg of the future . He will be traded .

[knicks_please]

Calderon is not a pg of the future . He will be traded .

I was saying Larkin could possibly be pg of the future and calderon will be a major upgrade from Felton for the next 2 years. He's a much better shooter and in the triangle you need that from your pg.

[gonygo]

Let operation get rid of the trash begin... Colonel Phil-lead the way!!!! Love this move for a variety of reasons. Now, get rid of J.R. Scum, let Stat and Bargs play out their awful contracts, tank the season ( like we will have a choice?) lol and hopefully get a top pick in the draft and let's rebuild the machine in the next few years..

[pepsiporch]

I was saying Larkin could possibly be pg of the future and calderon will be a major upgrade from Felton for the next 2 years. He's a much better shooter and in the triangle you need that from your pg.

You know the triangle now lmao ?
Maybe you can teach fisher

[knicks_please]

You know the triangle now lmao ?
Maybe you can teach fisher

Um, it's not some giant mystery. It's most effective with 3 point shooting pgs lol. There's actually books about the subject, maybe not in the elementary school library tho...

[PackAttack419]

well there are about 8 mavs fans and 80,000 knicks fans on these boards. i'll share my thoughts from the perspective of a mav fan..

towards the end of the season, and in the playoffs, devin harris (on a vet min contract) played more crunch time minutes than jose. no surprise there... devin is a much stronger defender, faster and more aggressive, while jose's strengths are ELITE shooting and minimal turnovers. i can see devin harris and ray felton sharing PG duties with gal mekel as the 3rd stringer. i cant say i was a fan of signing monta AND calderon last offseason, since they both have been known as defensive liabilities (perhaps not as bad as james harden though. does that guy even care?! anyway...), but i was happier with monta's shorter and lesser money contract than calderon's, who's also older. so i can live with trading away calderon while re-signing devin harris.

as for tyson chandler... WHY DIDN'T WE KEEP HIM 3 YEARS AGO!?!?!?!?!?! i bet you mark cuban is regretting that decision to this very day (this proves it!) i love cuban as an honest and outspoken owner. the team finally breaks through in 2011, and the team decides to not retain the best complementary center dirk has ever played with!?!? i'm not saying dallas would have won 2012, but at least give yourself a chance. going after deron-at-60%-of-his-prime-williams and carefree-dwight wasn't going to solve the problems even if we DID get them. am i happy that dallas is going to get tyson chandler back in the mix? yes because he's perfect for dirk, but every mavs fan has to be wondering... why didn't we just keep hiim 3 years ago instead of reacquiring him now when he's 3 years older :confused:

[IamRalpho]

Jose Calderon is 32 years old, hes not the future of anything.

[knicks_please]

Jose Calderon is 32 years old, hes not the future of anything.

Let me reiterate, Calderon is an upgrade over Felton for 2 years. Not the future. Larkin could POSSIBLY be the future.

[PackAttack419]

on another note... since chandler is one melo's closest friends on the knicks team, does this increase the mavs chance of landing from 0.00001% to 0.00007%? :p:p:p

on another note, i'm def happier with chandler (even if he's injury prone) than the rumor of signing up 34 year old pau gasol. we need D and rebounding, not another older european

[alanlam]

I love this for NYK. Chandler was gone after next year. They turned him and Felton into Calderon, Larkin, Dalembert and two 2nds. Dalemberts deal is non guaranteed. He's going to be cut. Larkin is still young. Maybe he can turn into something. Clearly Calderon is better than Felton and he will probably be traded again. That's a pretty good haul. If he stays healthy that's obviously a big pickup for Dallas. The rare win win trade.

[cinnakaok]

Well being as supposedly the Knicks are on Lebron's list of 5 teams. Maybe this is the start of some master plan lol.

Get rid of Chandler and Felton

Trade Calderon and Bargs/Stat somewhere for nothing in return

Cut Dalembert

Then you sign Melo and then James


this is what happens in the dream world i live in sometimes lol

[knicks_please]

Well being as supposedly the Knicks are on Lebron's list of 5 teams. Maybe this is the start of some master plan lol.

Get rid of Chandler and Felton

Trade Calderon and Bargs/Stat somewhere for nothing in return

Cut Dalembert

Then you sign Melo and then James


this is what happens in the dream world i live in sometimes lol

Well, considering you can't trade 30 million plus in contracts for nothing, I'd say it's definitely a product of your dream world :)

[fritzfreddie]

Well being as supposedly the Knicks are on Lebron's list of 5 teams. Maybe this is the start of some master plan lol.

Get rid of Chandler and Felton

Trade Calderon and Bargs/Stat somewhere for nothing in return

Cut Dalembert

Then you sign Melo and then James


this is what happens in the dream world i live in sometimes lol

What hasn't been disclosed is this is a list of teams Bron likes to troll

[jbmets95]

Im very happy with this

Works for both teams and happy felton could get out of NY and tyson also

Phils got a lot of moves ahead

Maybe trying to move into the first round tommorow

Or package like larkin 2 picks shump and amare for something

Or clear space

Interesting move

If melo leaves works well for the knicks for sure...

Mb melo told phil jax if u want a chance get me a better PG...

[knicks_please]

Im very happy with this

Works for both teams and happy felton could get out of NY and tyson also

Phils got a lot of moves ahead

Maybe trying to move into the first round tommorow

Or package like larkin 2 picks shump and amare for something

Or clear space

Interesting move

If melo leaves works well for the knicks for sure...

Mb melo told phil jax if u want a chance get me a better PG...

im thinking they do one of those shump for 1st round deals and use the 34th pick to sweeten the pot. or maybe they're eying someone with that pick, who knows...but i do like the trade.

[pepsiporch]

Let me reiterate, Calderon is an upgrade over Felton for 2 years. Not the future. Larkin could POSSIBLY be the future.

You can be a upgrade to Felton.

[pepsiporch]

im thinking they do one of those shump for 1st round deals and use the 34th pick to sweeten the pot. or maybe they're eying someone with that pick, who knows...but i do like the trade.

Shumpert for a 25th or over pick if he is even worth that .
AT LEAST YOU CAN GET A GUARD WHO CAN PASS AND SHOOT.

[bcw716]

Glad Chandler is coming back to Dallas! Dalembert was ok when he wanted to play & non-existent when he didn't, constantly missed practice & meetings & was a bit of a PITA for Carlisle. I liked Calderon but Harris stepped up big against SA and I think is better suited for the faster paced, flow offense Carlisle likes to run.

[CubKings]

Chandler should have never left after the championship. Didn't even want to try and repeat? Now he comes back 30 years later when everyone is old...

[inopethflames]

i think this is a fair trade, chandler is probably a good defender but hes one of the absolute most overrated players & defenders in the league. he basically misses 1/3rd of every season, or more, over the last 6 years. every time commentators talk about people blocking shots they mention chandler, his career avg is 1.3 blks/game and hes at 1.1 four of the last five years. it drives me crazy when people call him a top shotblocker. hes never been, not even in his first year or two. now shotblocks arent the only part of defense, but they constantly mention him regarding blocks and he has never done that. im sure hes a fine on-ball defender, who misses a ton of games & has zero offense.

felton may be done at this point, maybe he can have a decent or good year in dallas, who knows, calderon is a big upgrade there. i think its overall a win for the knicks, if they resign melo they'd at least be as good as last year, or maybe they let him go & rebuild. maybe they can get a sign & trade out of him now instead of just letting him walk. chandler gone, then melo possibly gone, amare gone after this year, theyll have a lot of space if they want it. they should probably try to trade carmelo for something at this point & just fully rebuild.

chandler looks like he could have his normal season this year and then sign about another 3-4 year deal for a little less but i have a feeling he could really start to be injured after this year. i dunno, good trade for the knicks id say, considering they arent winning a title with melo & chandler as their top 2 players.

[bballcollector]

Tyson is a great fit for Dallas. Dallas looked great this year with Monta Ellis. They could make a serious run in the west with Chandlers defense.

[knicks_please]

Knicks reportedly trying to trade Larkin and dalembert for first rounder....
Maybe to lakers? Lakers desperately trying to move Nash and willing to part with #7 pick. They want to clear as much space as possible to make a run at Lebron/Melo. Dalembert is non guaranteed (at least mostly) so that would definitely work. Collision between buss and Jackson? I hope so ;)

[Cervantes]

I hope there's not a collision between them, Phil's body might not recover.

So...why would the Lakers give up the 7th? For Larkin and Dalembert? LOL you're not serious. With Nash?????

[knicks_please]

I hope there's not a collision between them, Phil's body might not recover.

So...why would the Lakers give up the 7th? For Larkin and Dalembert? LOL you're not serious. With Nash?????

Collusion haha, I must have spelled it wrong and my phone autocorrected me.

Hey I think it's a bit crazy too but when teams are trying to shed money they trade assets. They want to trade Nash now so they can make a run at Lebron and or melo. Which doesn't seem likely they can get them but it's the lakers so they probably think they can. They'd need to trade for a player like dalembert because the contracts would have to match and then they could cut dalembert because he's mostly non guaranteed. They'd also get a promising prospect back in Larkin, who although not as valuable as 7, is something. It would be to shed the contract, and they already said they'd be willing to add the pick to get rid of the contract...

[CandyMan23]

Knicks reportedly trying to trade Larkin and dalembert for first rounder....
Maybe to lakers? Lakers desperately trying to move Nash and willing to part with #7 pick. They want to clear as much space as possible to make a run at Lebron/Melo. Dalembert is non guaranteed (at least mostly) so that would definitely work. Collision between buss and Jackson? I hope so ;)

Haha, Knicker please.

[knicks_please]

Haha, Knicker please.

Haha look y'all, I didn't make this rumor up! If they're really just trying to dump Nash with the pick then why not. Again, this rumor was not my original thinking, someone else started it hah.

[CandyMan23]

Haha look y'all, I didn't make this rumor up! If they're really just trying to dump Nash with the pick then why not. Again, this rumor was not my original thinking, someone else started it hah.

lol I know bro, I'm just teasing :)!

[knicks_please]

lol I know bro, I'm just teasing :)!

Haha I know you are it's all good man! I just wanted to let people know I didn't make it up hah...because it's a little out there, although definitely makes sense!

[Boo]

I like the deal for the Mavs, get Melo and they will be set.

[jbmets95]

I feel a trade like either of the 2 for the knicks today before the draft...

2 second rounders
larkin
shump
amare

spice up the deal to dump amare

2 second rounders shump... move into lottery?

[knicks_please]

Getting cleanthony makes this trade look even better!!

[dasiegel]

They traded Felton's 4 mil he was due in 15-16 for calderons 7 mil. Not a huge deal, and if you have to be stuck with one I think it's obvious who you'd rather be stuck with... Currently the Knicks only have 12 mil worth of contracts on the books that year, with Felton. So that's around 15 mil w Calderon. Basically only Calderon and JR smith. Which will be movable on contract years anyways. But either way they'll have plenty of cap space, and I have to believe Phil has a plan. Now at least they have a pg for now and possibly for the future. Dalembert isn't chandler but he's serviceable. I love Tyson but he's obviously on the decline and when he's banged up is a liability. I'm for this deal.

In Phil we trust, he got us the best draft pick IMO in a long time and 2 more later 2nd rounders. We do have to take Calderon's extra 3 mil but they obviously think he can be a good triangle PG. Getting rid of Chandler will be a bit of an issue defensively but the guy is overrated. I've seen him for a few years now. He doesn't block shots, he does alter some, he's a great on ball defender, a terrible help defender, and he gives you nothing offensively at the 5. I don't think we lost too much by getting back Dalembert.

It's all about the picks, Early, Hardaway Jr, Shumpert, Larkin, we are getting younger quickly and not losing much short term. Felton had to go.