2014 Super Break Super Deluxe Box Breaker Ed - Box = $7,250.00

[paul06901]

:eek::)!:rolleyes:

2014 Super Break Super Deluxe Box Breaker Ed - Box - $7,250.00 : Blowout Cards - Sports Cards and Trading Cards Wholesale Online Store (http://www.blowoutcards.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=9508)

:coffee:

[drob50]

"- Talking voice activated Boxes"

What???

[jj2]

I'm in solely for the "taking voice activated boxes". I'd be wasting money if I didn't buy one.

[iNashville]

They're putting together these $7,250 super break boxes, but it looks like their Sell Sheet was designed by an 11-year old with the very first Graphics program. This is horrible.

http://i57.tinypic.com/358ysgp.jpg

[inopethflames]

i cant wait to open my 20 boxes of this

[Nyfancam01]

my god..

you would THINK they could make an epic sell sheet.....

[jj2]

Guys, it's only $725 per hit. What could go wrong?

Edit: As others have mentioned, I'm not sure that sell sheet gives off the vibe it should for a $7,250 per box product. One thing's for sure, this product will really get all the gamblers' juices flowing.

[maconithappen]

I'll take a case.

[Maurice]

I got obsessed with watching these super box breaks and looking up eBay current sales to value the box.

9/10 the boxes yielded under half the cost of the box.

I don't think any of the boxes would have doubled the price of the box, even the Jordan BGS 9.5....

[Brobocop]

:special:Better get in now, this is going to be the next Flawless. Dat sellsheet.:special:

Could have used the word Super a few more times though.

I also love how when listing the possible Presidential items you could get they started by listing the full name, then first initial and last name, and then got lazy and listed just the last name. I also find the lack of commas between player names here and there disturbing when trying to sell a $7k product.

[blackmarkers]

Cause the regular version sold so well right... This crap is such a joke on so many levels

I feel disgusted for the hobby

[xavieronly1]

I wonder why I can't sell my homemade pack here..................

[clipperboy24]

Cause the regular version sold so well right... This crap is such a joke on so many levels

I feel disgusted for the hobby

This really is attempted robbery by sbay cards. I think it's embarrassing they are doing this but hey the hobby is full of people trying to make a quick buck. From what I have seen its full of a lot of burnouts who couldn't make it as investors or other businesses so they finally found somewhere that's not regulating and they can manipulate the market and take advantage of people's lack of knowledge.

[clipperboy24]

I wonder why I can't sell my homemade pack here..................

Haha great question. I guess none of us are as honest as sbaycards and wouldn't provide the great value they do.

[currycurrycurry]

"Talking voice activated Boxes"

I wonder how this will work! Hahaha..

[xavieronly1]

Haha great question. I guess none of us are as honest as sbaycards and wouldn't provide the great value they do.

I can put in some CVS coupons if needed.

[xavieronly1]

These boxes are so sad in many level. It is like those rich people throwing $7250 and ask a random person to buy random stuff in ebay... "Suprised me"

[Idol]

They're putting together these $7,250 super break boxes, but it looks like their Sell Sheet was designed by an 11-year old with the very first Graphics program. This is horrible.

http://i57.tinypic.com/358ysgp.jpg

Not sure if any of the items listed on the sell sheet is worth $7,250. Maybe the Beatles autograph and the Lebron Game Used High School Jersey....Heck maybe even Ruth is worth that but damn...$725 a card...Good luck to anybody who is willing to take this gamble. :flex:

[NickM]

Didn't haiku refer to these as super baller lots?

[groundsupport]

Sweet! I could pull a Michael Strahan Game Worn Jersey!

[GC1980]

7250 is major coin. Just go out and buy some cards you want if that's your budget.

Reminds me of the Family Guy where Peter has to choose between the boat or the mystery box. Who knows what could be in the mystery box? There could even be a boat in the mystery box!

[xavieronly1]

7250 is major coin. Just go out and buy some cards you want if that's your budget.

Reminds me of the Family Guy where Peter has to choose between the boat or the mystery box. Who knows what could be in the mystery box? There could even be a boat in the mystery box!

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/aa/aab18f2b482558323eb1b1d82fb7100f8019527373584490addf06578521e864.jpg

[Russellwilson]

I can't wait to watch breaks of this stuff on youtube, and watch people piss their money away.

[patchgenie]

I can't wait to watch breaks of this stuff on youtube, and watch people piss their money away.

i found a video of the breakers of this:
http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/animal-house-paddle-o.gif

[Dwade Collector]

None of those cards posted in the sell sheet is worth over $5k correct!? If they had LeBron Exquisite rookies, MJ 90's autos graded PSA 10/BGS 9.5/10, MJ Flashback Exquisites, etc, then we would be able to justify the price. From my understanding, these boxes are made only for group breaks, where someone can pay $800 bucks, and land a $3k card. Of course, one other guy in the break manages to break even and the last 8 take a loss. I don't think these boxes were made for one guy to eat the whole $8k, that will definitely result in a loss.

The epitome of the casino mentality, the slot takes a percentage fee in every spin, and the players battle hoping to win the money that the previous players lost

[molarson23]

For 7250 I could go buy a ton of stuff on ebay and make it worth a ton more then these!! Who wants to go into business with me, give sbay a run for their money!

[irfuji]

For 7250 I could go buy a ton of stuff on ebay and make it worth a ton more then these!! Who wants to go into business with me, give sbay a run for their money!

Yes...but the voice activated talking box....

There's a group break for one of these. If the box was one of the hits I might join...

[paul06901]

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/join-new-group-breaks-here/738131-big-deluxe-break-super-deluxe-box-breakers-edition-draft-your-hit.html


Here's a group break, only $725/spot for 1 card!


This may be a good way to get some of these pure "gamblers" out of this hobby! Come one, come all! Buy away!!!

[alldaytoplay33]

sbay is getting greedy now! wow this is just plain ol stupid, whoever buys that box good luck to you.

[iNashville]

Business Plan: Spend $100,000 on 500 pieces of memorabilia. Divide those pieces up into 50 blind boxes. Sell each box for $7,250. Net Profit: $262,500.

But people wont pay $7250 for a random box with $2,000 worth of items though... Well, they will if you make the box voice activated. (Whatever that means).

I'm surprised people are actually buying spots in that break. Just take your $7,250 and go buy whatever you want. If I was stupid rich and bored I guess I might give it a shot too.

[xavieronly1]

Business Plan: Spend $100,000 on 500 pieces of memorabilia. Divide those pieces up into 50 blind boxes. Sell each box for $7,250. Net Profit: $262,500.

But people wont pay $7250 for a random box with $2,000 worth of items though... Well, they will if you make the box voice activated. (Whatever that means).

I'm surprised people are actually buying spots in that break. Just take your $7,250 and go buy whatever you want. If I was stupid rich and bored I guess I might give it a shot too.

Actually, $7250 includes the shipping fee, overhead, package fee, BO/LCS/retail commission and some other stuff.

I guess as long as BO can get the cut, they allow people to sell mystery pack.

[fullmetal]

"- Talking voice activated Boxes"

What???

It says 'Sucker, you just wasted a lot of money. Please come again.'

[Russellwilson]

i found a video of the breakers of this:
http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/animal-house-paddle-o.gif

Thank you sir my I have another? Nice video

[paul06901]

"A Very Limited Amount of these boxes will be produced"



So, essentially, this allows them a loophole/caveat to continue producing boxes if they keep selling, and cut back on their box creations if they don't sell well.

Hence the reason why their sell sheet only shows "SOME" of the "best" hits ;) ;) ;)

"We did not put all of the best items on the sales sheet."

Really? But why? That would help sell the product!


All of the "mystery" is just a form of an escape clause for SBAY.



And then market with the "voice-activated boxes" ... what?

It's so similar to that lame-o Flawless suitcase unveil video Panini did.




But what the heck, I'm sure there's plenty of morons with money to burn that will spend $7k+ for a box of this stuff.

The group break already has a few gamblers signed up. I guess $725 isn't that important to some people.



What do you think the worst card might be? They don't tell you that!

John Salley PSA 10 rookie? Who knows!



I am excited to watch the breaks of these, and watch as SBAY sits back and makes BANK by selling people cards they could buy themselves on eBay for less LOL!

[Russellwilson]

$7200 damn I could buy some nasty sheet.

Michael jordan uda signed jerseys are about 1300
Michael jordan bgs 9.5 1986-87 $4000
Griffey mantel 94 ud duel autos $900
Russell wilson contenders bgs 9.5 $400
That's about $6600..... that's leaves a few bucks for maybe a blink 182 signed guitar psa dna

[hairyangryfella]

Who are the 'game used' items authenticated by? If it's not Meigray, they might just be 'Mears A5' which means absolutely nothing. So sick of seeing companies try to take advantage of people who don't know any better about the authentication of gamers.

[paul06901]

Who are the 'game used' items authenticated by? If it's not Meigray, they might just be 'Mears A5' which means absolutely nothing. So sick of seeing companies try to take advantage of people who don't know any better about the authentication of gamers.

"All graded cards are Psa Sgc and Bgs only- 85-90% of all cards will be slabbed
All game used items are certified by Grey flannel, Mears, Meigray, Steiner, Mlb
All cert'd auto items are by Uda Psa Jsa Steiner Mlb Hollywood Collectibles - All top sources only"


Doesn't mean their real though. The things I'd trust would be photo-matched or items that I had personally had signed in-person.


Grading & authenticating -- why are we leaving this up to "professionals" with a proven track record of being wrong so many times?!...

[hairyangryfella]

"All graded cards are Psa Sgc and Bgs only- 85-90% of all cards will be slabbed
All game used items are certified by Grey flannel, Mears, Meigray, Steiner, Mlb
All cert'd auto items are by Uda Psa Jsa Steiner Mlb Hollywood Collectibles - All top sources only"


Doesn't mean their real though. The things I'd trust would be photo-matched or items that I had personally had signed in-person.


Grading & authenticating -- why are we leaving this up to "professionals" with a proven track record of being wrong so many times?!...

Anything Meigray or Steiner (for NBA) should be trustworthy. Grey Flannel is an opinion based method, and while they can often be spot on, other times they're very much wrong. Mears, well, I like them the least for authenticity. They will grade something an A5 (which people assume to mean it's legit) on purely the STYLE being SIMILAR to what it's supposed to be. Nothing about any evidence etc. Mears 9 or 10 should be pretty safe, but most of the times things are used like this they are only 5s, so they're probably not even real...

[dapro]

With that amount I will buy me tons of Mjs and LBJs and maybe some bjs

[Chris P]

here's what a Lebron High School Game Used Uniform sold in Grey Flannel's Last Auction in June

Lot Detail - 2002-03 LeBron James St. Vincent/St. Mary's Irish High School Game-Used Home Uniform (2) (http://catalog.greyflannelauctions.com/2002-03-LeBron-James-St-Vincent-St-Marys-Irish--LOT31626.aspx)

and the Blake Griffin Grey Flannel Authenticated Game Jersey

Lot Detail - 2011-12 Blake Griffin Los Angeles Clippers Game-Used & Autographed Road Jersey (http://catalog.greyflannelauctions.com/2011-12-Blake-Griffin-Los-Angeles-Clippers-Game-Us-LOT31717.aspx)



If these are top hits for this product..ouch.

[jj2]

here's what a Lebron High School Game Used Uniform sold in Grey Flannel's Last Auction in June

Lot Detail - 2002-03 LeBron James St. Vincent/St. Mary's Irish High School Game-Used Home Uniform (2) (http://catalog.greyflannelauctions.com/2002-03-LeBron-James-St-Vincent-St-Marys-Irish--LOT31626.aspx)

and the Blake Griffin Grey Flannel Authenticated Game Jersey

Lot Detail - 2011-12 Blake Griffin Los Angeles Clippers Game-Used & Autographed Road Jersey (http://catalog.greyflannelauctions.com/2011-12-Blake-Griffin-Los-Angeles-Clippers-Game-Us-LOT31717.aspx)



If these are top hits for this product..ouch.

I think that Beatles auto might nearly be the top hit. I think it would probably at least pay for the box.

[Dwade Collector]

With that amount I will buy me tons of Mjs and LBJs and maybe some bjs

Hahaha Armstrongs!? :D

[arkeeper]

Only way I would want to do something like this is if the worst hit is like $250 and the best hit is usually around $1250-1500.

If 6 guys have to lose their ass so one guy can have a $3k hit, this isn't gonna sell much. Most high end repacks I see have guys buying 3-5 spots. But only in products where middle hits are still pretty good.

[marsblackmon]

can't hate on another man getting money, let them do their thing as long as it's legal and not hurting anybody. But obviously I sure as hell will not go near this.

YOU MEAN I CAN PULL AN ANDREW LUCK VALOR AUTO FOR 7K!?!?! YAAYAYAYY!!!!1

[GC1980]

can't hate on another man getting money, let them do their thing as long as it's legal and not hurting anybody. But obviously I sure as hell will not go near this.

YOU MEAN I CAN PULL AN ANDREW LUCK VALOR AUTO FOR 7K!?!?! YAAYAYAYY!!!!1

Amen. Anyone wanting to pony up the cash has the right to lose their shirt. This is not for collectors, it's for the deep pocketed gamblers in the hobby.

7250 is big money for cards. If you're a hobbyist, you are spending that money to fill a major hole in your collection, PC player set, registry sets etc., not letting it ride on a repackage product with a meh sell sheet.

[cruiserdaddy7]

Blowout will fill a ton of group breaks with these. I see this as a 90% or better group break product.

[37Jetson]

This break comes with it's own YouTube Video

Super Break Talking Box - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzNhaLUT520&list=RDbobp5OHVsWY&index=2)

[WhacksPacks]

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/join-new-group-breaks-here/738131-big-deluxe-break-super-deluxe-box-breakers-edition-draft-your-hit.html


Here's a group break, only $725/spot for 1 card!


This may be a good way to get some of these pure "gamblers" out of this hobby! Come one, come all! Buy away!!!

Well since B/O gets shipped the "better" boxes from all of this company's product so it can get press I don't blame ANYONE joining the group break if they were going to buy a box anyway.

Love the unregulated certified gambling that goes on in this industry

ps: advanced apologies to the gentlemen in the group break who get a Mark Apple or Xander the warrior boegairtzzz for their 750.00

[Alhorford27]

I have a personal hate for sbay cards. This is an absolute disgrace of a product. It amazes me that people buy their "super" boxes. Most of the time all I see from these boxes is an empty wallet.

[paul06901]

I have a personal hate for sbay cards. This is an absolute disgrace of a product. It amazes me that people buy their "super" boxes. Most of the time all I see from these boxes is an empty wallet.

The people buying them are rich guys who have gambling problems. That's all there is to it. There is no justification for a $3,000-7,000 gamble unless money isn't an issue.

Not that there's a problem with rich people spending their money however they want to, but as mentioned above, it's essentially a nearly unregulated form of gambling that I too am amazed hasn't caused a stir yet...

[jt16]

The people buying them are rich guys who have gambling problems. That's all there is to it. There is no justification for a $3,000-7,000 gamble unless money isn't an issue.

Not that there's a problem with rich people spending their money however they want to, but as mentioned above, it's essentially a nearly unregulated form of gambling that I too am amazed hasn't caused a stir yet...

You are pissing away $500+ on a group break for national treasures. It's a random team break...you might walk away with a bunch of worthless base and jersey cards. It's all a gamble. Just because you don't like the product doesn't mean it is any less of a risk then the breaks you spend your money on.

I agree with you about spending 7k for one box. I would never do that but I am taking a shot for $725.

[paul06901]

You are pissing away $500+ on a group break for national treasures. It's a random team break...you might walk away with a bunch of worthless base and jersey cards. It's all a gamble. Just because you don't like the product doesn't mean it is any less of a risk then the breaks you spend your money on.

I agree with you about spending 7k for one box. I would never do that but I am taking a shot for $725.

There's a difference between a company that buys from the secondary market and slaps together boxes full of random items, and a manufacturer's factory sealed case of product...

You could go to eBay and buy any of the items in the Super Deluxe inventory (or could have before they bought them).

You can't go and buy a card that's factory inserted & buried in product still.



It's not even so much the price, as it is the fact it's a piece-meal product that someone can put together themselves. And I don't think more than a couple (at most) of the top hits shown on the sellsheet would even match the box cost.

At least a Panini case group break is something THEY'VE manufactured.


But good luck with your $spot, seriously. I mean, for $7250 there can't be any $100 cards in there or anything at least.

[dapro]

If there is a group break on this, I want to watch it. I personally can't justify a spot for it knowing the risk out weights the reward.

[irfuji]

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/active-full-group-case-breaks/738131-big-deluxe-break-super-deluxe-box-breakers-edition-draft-your-hit.html

I'm watching this one. Should be interesting.

[jbittma1]

I'd rather spend the $7000 and buy an autographed Wilt Chamberlain Jersey

[Dielon]

Im going to be picking up these items that people list from this product and make my own product. Then when it sells, ill do it again.

[inopethflames]

$725 might buy 2 boxes of 13-14 immaculate, id rather do that.

but anyone buying a box of this or buying a $725 group break slot should have enough money to be able to do that, so thats one thing. the main problem with something like this is, even though it should be obviously known ahead of time, someone is spending $100k or whatever, to charge $200k. so obviously most boxes will have a loss.

panini doesnt produce their cards by that principle so you could have a product come out like flawless where if you wanted to sell all the cards you could probably make a profit on every single box practically that you bought, if you got them upon release or preorder. that will never happen in a put-together product like this. i guess thatd be an argument for a group break.

[ninjacookies]

These 'super boxes' are the biggest ponzi scheme I've ever seen.

Jesus. If I had access to a good box printing service, I'd make my own so I could unload some of these crappy autos I've accumulated over the years, while throwing in a random manny machado bowman chrome auto worth around 250 bucks.

[Dielon]

Ah how the simple idea of the "mystery pack" has evolved into this.

[xbignick]

I love to see it broken but would never spend my own money on such a product, or any repackaged product really. Seems the repackaged are basically group-break products at this point, but the super-type boxes seem to be pretty exclusive to blowout breaking, don't see them much elsewhere, if at all.

[tristan20]

I bet the first few boxes will have HUGE HUGE hits, then after that hype, the trash will show up in the remaining boxes

[Artchie]

There's a difference between a company that buys from the secondary market and slaps together boxes full of random items, and a manufacturer's factory sealed case of product...

You could go to eBay and buy any of the items in the Super Deluxe inventory (or could have before they bought them).

You can't go and buy a card that's factory inserted & buried in product still.



It's not even so much the price, as it is the fact it's a piece-meal product that someone can put together themselves. And I don't think more than a couple (at most) of the top hits shown on the sellsheet would even match the box cost.

At least a Panini case group break is something THEY'VE manufactured.


But good luck with your $spot, seriously. I mean, for $7250 there can't be any $100 cards in there or anything at least.

I love these breaks, In all honesty, You have a better change to pull some nice stuff out of this Imho then any other product that Topps, or Panini makes, Think about it, You get one the the absolute best cards in the set or series, And its a redemption, Then you wait 3 years for it to be redeemed and REPLACED for a Duke Snider Auto....Everything in this is pretty much Live, Its the Best of the Best out there when it comes to Memorbilia, and Its a 725.00 gamble at something really special and transparent. I have had dealings with Topps and Panini, And they really put a sour taste in my mouth with the amount of product released. Think about it, You buy a case of Bowman, You either hit something worth about 700-800 OR you walk away with 300 in cards. Atleast in this you have more of a shot IMO for walking away with something really special. EX Babe Ruth Cut Auto.......So to each his own. I am not saying that Breaking a Box at 7,250 is smart..LOL I am saying that in a group break you have a chance and thats what we are ALL Looking for.


Eric

[Artchie]

I bet the first few boxes will have HUGE HUGE hits, then after that hype, the trash will show up in the remaining boxes

And that is a possibility, But that is why I like to get in the first boxes :flex:

[GC1980]

I love these breaks, In all honesty, You have a better change to pull some nice stuff out of this Imho then any other product that Topps, or Panini makes, Think about it, You get one the the absolute best cards in the set or series, And its a redemption, Then you wait 3 years for it to be redeemed and REPLACED for a Duke Snider Auto....Everything in this is pretty much Live, Its the Best of the Best out there when it comes to Memorbilia, and Its a 725.00 gamble at something really special and transparent. I have had dealings with Topps and Panini, And they really put a sour taste in my mouth with the amount of product released. Think about it, You buy a case of Bowman, You either hit something worth about 700-800 OR you walk away with 300 in cards. Atleast in this you have more of a shot IMO for walking away with something really special. EX Babe Ruth Cut Auto.......So to each his own. I am not saying that Breaking a Box at 7,250 is smart..LOL I am saying that in a group break you have a chance and thats what we are ALL Looking for.


Eric

But at the same time, if the average card isn't worth $725 why not park that money into something you know you want? $725 is not chump change for cards. This product is clearly for the risk takers that have lots of disposable income for cards.

I get the gambling aspect at $725 but guess I am just really risk averse. I refuse to rip anything these days because there are just so many big time cards out there I want. I am sick of sitting in a pile of wrappers surrounded by stacks of commons and lame "hits" i need to sell off to recoup some of the cash I spent, feeling like a sucker.

Takes some balls to drop $725 on a mystery box knowing the overall run of cards in these boxes has to be worth far less than the asking price so SB can turn a profit. Good luck to anyone going after these in GBs. I'll certainly watch the video!

[Artchie]

I could either have big balls or a Small Brain, OR BOTH!! ;)

[armyatc22]

I could either have big balls or a Small Brain, OR BOTH!! ;)

You can't have both

Watch "Waiting" and you will understand

[valleyofsun]

I love these breaks, In all honesty, You have a better change to pull some nice stuff out of this Imho then any other product that Topps, or Panini makes, Think about it, You get one the the absolute best cards in the set or series, And its a redemption, Then you wait 3 years for it to be redeemed and REPLACED for a Duke Snider Auto....Everything in this is pretty much Live, Its the Best of the Best out there when it comes to Memorbilia, and Its a 725.00 gamble at something really special and transparent. I have had dealings with Topps and Panini, And they really put a sour taste in my mouth with the amount of product released. Think about it, You buy a case of Bowman, You either hit something worth about 700-800 OR you walk away with 300 in cards. Atleast in this you have more of a shot IMO for walking away with something really special. EX Babe Ruth Cut Auto.......So to each his own. I am not saying that Breaking a Box at 7,250 is smart..LOL I am saying that in a group break you have a chance and thats what we are ALL Looking for.


Eric

Hahaha!!! And people like you are the exact reason companies like sbay are still in business. :rolleyes::coffee:

[xavieronly1]

Hahaha!!! And people like you are the exact reason companies like sbay are still in business. :rolleyes::coffee:

But he only gambles $725, not $7250. Hardly he helps a company to stay in the business with $725.

[bigcwd2000]

I can think of many ways to spend my $7000 elsewhere. This product looks dumb.

[Prospect Rush]

As much as I would LOVE to comment, I will instead hold my thoughts until the National where I can speak directly to Scott and let him know exactly what I think of him, his company, and his products.

[paul06901]

I love these breaks, In all honesty, You have a better change to pull some nice stuff out of this Imho then any other product that Topps, or Panini makes, Think about it, You get one the the absolute best cards in the set or series, And its a redemption, Then you wait 3 years for it to be redeemed and REPLACED for a Duke Snider Auto....Everything in this is pretty much Live, Its the Best of the Best out there when it comes to Memorbilia, and Its a 725.00 gamble at something really special and transparent. I have had dealings with Topps and Panini, And they really put a sour taste in my mouth with the amount of product released. Think about it, You buy a case of Bowman, You either hit something worth about 700-800 OR you walk away with 300 in cards. Atleast in this you have more of a shot IMO for walking away with something really special. EX Babe Ruth Cut Auto.......So to each his own. I am not saying that Breaking a Box at 7,250 is smart..LOL I am saying that in a group break you have a chance and thats what we are ALL Looking for.


Eric

I see what you're saying, but a chance at what? It's a jumbled up product. You can get some lame auto'd baseball jersey of a minor star, or a Beatles autograph? or a Jordan rookie?...

I mean, how many people that are breaking a box or even in a group break are actually hoping for a PC item? That's one thing I could understand. If someone was going to KEEP their pull from a group break or box break. But those guys gambling $725 simply want to pull a multi-thousand dollar item so they can immediately post it on eBay to sell. If they were looking for a PC item, they wouldn't gamble $725 at that chance -- they'd just BUY the PC item!


I understand your point -- The odds/likliness of hitting a better item make more sense with this product than they do a case/boxes of product. Your Bowman argument doesn't make sense though. You can pull a handful of $5,000 to $15,000 superfractor autos...

What makes you think the chance at hitting a Ruth cut is even possible in this? Wouldn't it make sense for Sbay to "plan" for the top hits to go to the big buyers they personally know? To keep them coming back?



My point is, with a factory case, you know the items inside are randomized and have never met the public eye yet. Sure you may get a redemption, or you may get $300 value. But you won't get a Troy Tulokowitzki auto jersey for $725 in a fraction of a second.



This product is 100% for the addict gamblers in this hobby who have money burning a hole in their pockets. It's a steroid-ed out Leaf Best Of. The more power to those people with the ability to risk $725 for the 1/1,000 shot to hit a $4k jordan or $3k ruth cut and end up with a $200 autographed baseball jersey. :D

[paul06901]

here's what a Lebron High School Game Used Uniform sold in Grey Flannel's Last Auction in June

Lot Detail - 2002-03 LeBron James St. Vincent/St. Mary's Irish High School Game-Used Home Uniform (2) (http://catalog.greyflannelauctions.com/2002-03-LeBron-James-St-Vincent-St-Marys-Irish--LOT31626.aspx)

and the Blake Griffin Grey Flannel Authenticated Game Jersey

Lot Detail - 2011-12 Blake Griffin Los Angeles Clippers Game-Used & Autographed Road Jersey (http://catalog.greyflannelauctions.com/2011-12-Blake-Griffin-Los-Angeles-Clippers-Game-Us-LOT31717.aspx)



If these are top hits for this product..ouch.



I'd also like to quote this. Two sell-sheet "hits" and their values.

:coffee:

[thenwhatjk]

As much as I would LOVE to comment, I will instead hold my thoughts until the National where I can speak directly to Scott and let him know exactly what I think of him, his company, and his products.

Awww come on, walk us along that fine line of your thing being righteous and dignified and this guy's thing being fraud

[Prospect Rush]

Awww come on, walk us along that fine line of your thing being righteous and dignified and this guy's thing being fraud

I'd love to, in fact I'll go into complete detail including charts references and everything. Thursday on the National floor, be there!!!

Or an easier solution would be to use an ounce of common sense.

[thenwhatjk]

I'd love to, in fact I'll go into complete detail including charts references and everything. Thursday on the National floor, be there!!!

Or an easier solution would be to use an ounce of common sense.

Im not saying either of you are in the right or in the wrong, but seriously, what is the difference? Messageboard people seem just as aghast about this as yours, and im sure this will sell out just as quickly as yours. Tell me what the difference is? You numbered the boxes and this guy didnt?

[thenwhatjk]

I guess my gist is more or less, whats the point of even saying "THIS way of getting degenerates' money is cool, but THAT way of getting degenerates' money is totally bogus"

[arkeeper]

I will say 2014 Super Deluxe Baseball was a pretty decent break. Watched a few live in person and only a few were really unhappy. But they also had the worst random spots. Price was pretty in line with some hits being higher, some falling right around the spot price and a few being much lower.

You could also tell how they made sure boxes were random. High value cards were in one color bag and mid value cards were in another color, then lower value cards were all the same.

I would say the three boxes I watched returned at least 70%.

One box was a personal one, he decided to keep two nicer cards for his PC and figured on selling the rest would mean he spent less for the two hits than if he bought them directly.

[Prospect Rush]

Im not saying either of you are in the right or in the wrong, but seriously, what is the difference? Messageboard people seem just as aghast about this as yours, and im sure this will sell out just as quickly as yours. Tell me what the difference is? You numbered the boxes and this guy didnt?

I believe in transparency, not hiding. We did a few things, in fact we were the FIRST to do many of this list:

* We #'d every box
* actually told people how many boxes were produced
* had an actual checklist of every card
* had an actual sell sheet
* actually showed people every big hit
* gave a minimum return on every box
* tweeted hits as they were pulled

I'm not big on guessing games. This hobby is SO SHADY as it is, rather than accept 0 information on products should we not hold company's accountable rather than just accept what they give us?

If you believe not providing the customer with anything is the better approach, then I'll agree to disagree.

[irfuji]

I believe in transparency, not hiding. We did a few things, in fact we were the FIRST to do many of this list:

* We #'d every box
* actually told people how many boxes were produced
* had an actual checklist of every card
* had an actual sell sheet
* actually showed people every big hit
* gave a minimum return on every box
* tweeted hits as they were pulled

I'm not big on guessing games. This hobby is SO SHADY as it is, rather than accept 0 information on products should we not hold company's accountable rather than just accept what they give us?

If you believe not providing the customer with anything is the better approach, then I'll agree to disagree.

Realistically the reason I personally didn't join the first break of this is because of most of the points you gave. The sell sheet, lack of numbering, and no checklist were major negatives to me.

That said, until the breaks occur, there's still a very real chance these boxes do end up having 65-70% of value in them. So I know i'm watching the first break to see what kind of stuff to expect.

Calling the product a fraud is pretty premature in my personal opinion. You could be 100% right, but you could also be 100% wrong.

[Prospect Rush]

Realistically the reason I personally didn't join the first break of this is because of most of the points you gave. The sell sheet, lack of numbering, and no checklist were major negatives to me.

That said, until the breaks occur, there's still a very real chance these boxes do end up having 65-70% of value in them. So I know i'm watching the first break to see what kind of stuff to expect.

Calling the product a fraud is pretty premature in my personal opinion. You could be 100% right, but you could also be 100% wrong.

Not sure where I called anything or anyone a fraud? He asked me a question and I responded.

[Braves_Fan]

I think I would have better luck making money by buying one of those brown paper grab bags full of cards at my local flea market.

[thenwhatjk]

I believe in transparency, not hiding. We did a few things, in fact we were the FIRST to do many of this list:

* We #'d every box
* actually told people how many boxes were produced
* had an actual checklist of every card
* had an actual sell sheet
* actually showed people every big hit
* gave a minimum return on every box
* tweeted hits as they were pulled

I'm not big on guessing games. This hobby is SO SHADY as it is, rather than accept 0 information on products should we not hold company's accountable rather than just accept what they give us?

If you believe not providing the customer with anything is the better approach, then I'll agree to disagree.


I remember most of that and obviously a lot of that is a big step forward for this corner of the hobby and thats great, but if I recall correctly, people were still more than eager to poke holes thru much of that as well, right or wrong (questions about the third party pack out and numbering, the soler super coming out very late etc etc), to me its still different shades of the same thing. If anything, if I were you, i would be psyched that this new product exists if only for the obvious juxtaposition it provides from your product for the next time you do it, for the reasons you listed above. Or, with a more cynical view, it reinforces how silly people are with their money, and the various ways one can take advantage of that. Dont mind me though, ive never bought into any of these nor gotten into the razz scene, nor have I ever commented in any thread that discusses any of these products. Just found it interesting when the one dude who makes big money off of repacks hinted at beef with some other dudes who make big money off of repacks, thats all

[advan24r]

Seriously, what has the card hobby come down to. I remember packs used to be $0.50-$1.00 when I grew up in the late 80s-90s. This hobby is realistically becoming for grownups. Kids can never enjoy the sports side of this hobby. Now they have to settle for Pokemon, Magic the Gathering, etc where it's somewhat more affordable.

[ejs23]

You could go to eBay and buy any of the items in the Super Deluxe inventory (or could have before they bought them).

You can't go and buy a card that's factory inserted & buried in product still....

At least a Panini case group break is something THEY'VE manufactured

i'm not a fan of these sbay super #1 big time deluxe breaks... but buyback products have their place.

as others said, there's no more risk in most buybacks than in a Panini manufactured product. in fact, the buyback may often have a better return.

the fact that Panini manufactured everything in their boxes themselves doesn't matter. it doesn't add any inherent value. especially when it's 2 lame hits and a redemption card. and you can go out and buy the individual cards as soon as others bust their product. nothing magical about it.

[ejs23]

not sure if everyone is aware, but sbay is actually conducting socio-economic research when they release these products.

they're trying to measure the correlation between high-end products and mental retardation.


seriously though, sbay is sort of sketchy. wasn't that Beatles hit supposed to be in their last Super Deluxe product? wasn't it specifically mentioned? how many of those things can they have lying around?

[ninjacookies]

i'm not a fan of these sbay super #1 big time deluxe breaks... but buyback products have their place.

as others said, there's no more risk in most buybacks than in a Panini manufactured product. in fact, the buyback may often have a better return.

the fact that Panini manufactured everything in their boxes themselves doesn't matter. it doesn't add any inherent value. especially when it's 2 lame hits and a redemption card. and you can go out and buy the individual cards as soon as others bust their product. nothing magical about it.

Generally speaking, your assessment would be true. HOWEVER, buy back products have that extra layer of the manufacturer purchasing and reselling products that already have a set market value. Sure, some of those cards may have slight room for upside depending on the player, but generally speaking most have a known set ebay value at the point the product is released.

With brand new sealed product from say, Panini...the manufacturer has no clue what particular sets/subsets etc will be valued in the secondary market. Sure, they're probably aware that a Damian Lilard will be worth more than say..Pau Gasol...but who's to say one of their subsets won't be highly sought after by the secondary market and command high prices even for lower tiered players (ie, flawless base cards). You won't get that same element in a buy back product.

So while it may 'seem' the same, it's really not.

[ejs23]

Generally speaking, your assessment would be true. HOWEVER, buy back products have that extra layer of the manufacturer purchasing and reselling products that already have a set market value. Sure, some of those cards may have slight room for upside depending on the player, but generally speaking most have a known set ebay value at the point the product is released.

With brand new sealed product from say, Panini...the manufacturer has no clue what particular sets/subsets etc will be valued in the secondary market. Sure, they're probably aware that a Damian Lilard will be worth more than say..Pau Gasol...but who's to say one of their subsets won't be highly sought after by the secondary market and command high prices even for lower tiered players (ie, flawless base cards). You won't get that same element in a buy back product.

So while it may 'seem' the same, it's really not.

I agree with all that. and they are definitely not the same to produce.

but because those buybacks get their inventory from that already set secondary market, customers should understand there has to be some margin built in.

[ninjacookies]

I agree with all that. and they are definitely not the same to produce.

but because those buybacks get their inventory from that already set secondary market, customers should understand there has to be some margin built in.

Agreed. I think the thing that raises eyebrows is exactly what kind of profit margins they're making. Especially when considering usually it's the smaller name companies producing them with a lot less overhead than say...someone like Panini. Seems more like a 'get rich quick/easy' plan for smaller companies and/or startups.

[cking]

"Talking voice activated Boxes"

I wonder how this will work! Hahaha..

It will say "Prepared to be butt raped by the fools who make this crap, now bust me open"

Or it will make you say "I am really dumb to buy this product" In order for you to be able to open it.

Just as a reminder to the dullards who buy this garbage.

[Zahadum]

Guess the group break did not go well as there is not a lot of talk about the great cards/mem they pulled. Hopefully they at least got their money back for what they pulled.

[thenashcollecto]

SuperFraud! Literally stealing money from people in my humble opinion.

[paul06901]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A87mHVubRg


LOL...



And the Blowout Draft Break must not have gone too well.

Top hit was nice, Ruth aftermarket auto letter or paper or something ... but 2nd pick took a Westbrook Exquisite BGS 9/9 RPA ... http://www.ebay.com/itm/08-09-Exquisite-Rookie-patch-auto-Russell-Westbrook-BGS-9-Auto10-3-color-10-225-/161355557239?pt=US_Autographed_Trading_Cards&hash=item25918a6977&nma=true&si=TaIUu9KhnP5kSBWQn1MHc8YiGm8%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/08-09-Exquisite-Rookie-patch-auto-Russell-Westbrook-BGS-9-Auto10-3-color-10-225-/161355557239?pt=US_Autographed_Trading_Cards&hash=item25918a6977&nma=true&si=TaIUu9KhnP5kSBWQn1MHc8YiGm8%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)




So it looks like one guy hit the lottery (somewhat) and 6 people spend $725 for a guaranteed loss....

[jj2]

So it looks like one guy hit the lottery (somewhat) and 6 people spend $725 for a guaranteed loss....

It's not really any different to any other high-end group break scenario, although the stakes are obviously significantly raised.

[snomelcrob]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A87mHVubRg


LOL...



And the Blowout Draft Break must not have gone too well.

Top hit was nice, Ruth aftermarket auto letter or paper or something ... but 2nd pick took a Westbrook Exquisite BGS 9/9 RPA ... 08 09 Exquisite Rookie Patch Auto Russell Westbrook BGS 9 AUTO10 3 Color 10 225 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/08-09-Exquisite-Rookie-patch-auto-Russell-Westbrook-BGS-9-Auto10-3-color-10-225-/161355557239?pt=US_Autographed_Trading_Cards&hash=item25918a6977&nma=true&si=TaIUu9KhnP5kSBWQn1MHc8YiGm8%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)




So it looks like one guy hit the lottery (somewhat) and 6 people spend $725 for a guaranteed loss....

Yep, these two breaks make the product look awful. Already had plenty of red flags against sbay, and this certainly doesn't help.

[thenwhatjk]

LOL @ the airbrushed box and the graphic design of everything in general

[Brobocop]

Holy cow was that box that Fire Hands opened just awful. What, if any, of those items would cost over $750? I know the Teddy Roosevelt was probably the best item of the bunch, but so many of those cards were sub-$400. Wow, just wow.

[xavieronly1]

Why do anyone expect to have $7250 item in any of these boxes? BO has to make the cut. sbay has to make the profit. Of course, you don't get anything NEAR the $7250. You are just going for the big item and hope it is in your box. Otherwise, it is no different than gamble money. But only difference is that, you now have to sell your cards to make up your losses.

[xbignick]

Just saw a case I suppose....Trumbo jersey, Babe Ruth cut auto, Jose Abreu ball, Correa blue wave BGS auto, BGS 8 1955 Jackie Robinson, Bryce Harper BGS Chrome auto...some other goodies, probably will be the best case opened I'm guessing.

[Burt-Reynolds]

this was obviously designed with fleecing the sheep that mindlessly join group breaks everyday.

group breaks are slowly eroding the hobby away. card companies are hip to the game now, even to the point where they kiss the bigger breakers #@#@#@es at the industry summits and invite them special events at the national's. they even let some of these "breakers" buy direct now.

companies can make crap products like this cause they know idiots are willing to join breaks and offset the cost of a box/case by pissing money away on "slot".

it's why you will continue to see products like this produced, and see companies like panini continue to raise prices on products all while watering down the content and hits. products are being made with the group break in mind now. garbage will sell when it's broken down to "spot prices".

you can go online and see people running group breaks 24 hrs a day. it's sick. these scumbags like chad redfern, and josh cade exploiting people's gambling addictions, running group breaks and lining their pockets. how is being a group breaker a legitimate business avenue now? amazing, lol.

the card companies even have these guys in their pockets now, giving them free swag, and inviting them to events like the rookie premiere days, in return they will pump all the garbage that topps and panini want to put out and help them move cases at a ridiculous rate.

you can call me crazy, but keep watching these sharks like "truth 17" and 'ccx' and all the other breakers that are making a living off this continue to ruin the hobby. products like this will keep coming out, and card companies will keep watering down products while raising prices.

wake up sheeple, group breaks are not good for the hobby, and exploit people with addictive tendencies.

[Russellwilson]

For 7250 I wasn't impressed at all. The ruth auto was cool however personalized with a first and last name and the pic was of him in a hospital bed.... so even the ruth was kinda weak I thought. But what do I know

[90sEraKnicks]

this was obviously designed with fleecing the sheep that mindlessly join group breaks everyday.

group breaks are slowly eroding the hobby away. card companies are hip to the game now, even to the point where they kiss the bigger breakers #@#@#@es at the industry summits and invite them special events at the national's. they even let some of these "breakers" buy direct now.

companies can make crap products like this cause they know idiots are willing to join breaks and offset the cost of a box/case by pissing money away on "slot".

it's why you will continue to see products like this produced, and see companies like panini continue to raise prices on products all while watering down the content and hits. products are being made with the group break in mind now. garbage will sell when it's broken down to "spot prices".

you can go online and see people running group breaks 24 hrs a day. it's sick. these scumbags like chad redfern, and josh cade exploiting people's gambling addictions, running group breaks and lining their pockets. how is being a group breaker a legitimate business avenue now? amazing, lol.

the card companies even have these guys in their pockets now, giving them free swag, and inviting them to events like the rookie premiere days, in return they will pump all the garbage that topps and panini want to put out and help them move cases at a ridiculous rate.

you can call me crazy, but keep watching these sharks like "truth 17" and 'ccx' and all the other breakers that are making a living off this continue to ruin the hobby. products like this will keep coming out, and card companies will keep watering down products while raising prices.

wake up sheeple, group breaks are not good for the hobby, and exploit people with addictive tendencies.

I actually disagree with you on box breaks. For instance, few who make as much as I do can afford to spend money on tons of boxes to break of even basketball select at $126/box, so to get in group case breaks and half case group breaks for $30-50 is actually the same as personal busting boxes and less risky IMO. Of course most collectors can just buy off eBay too but I see nothing wrong with group breaks

[Burt-Reynolds]

I actually disagree with you on box breaks. For instance, few who make as much as I do can afford to spend money on tons of boxes to break of even basketball select at $126/box, so to get in group case breaks and half case group breaks for $30-50 is actually the same as personal busting boxes and less risky IMO. Of course most collectors can just buy off eBay too but I see nothing wrong with group breaks

you choose to spend your money how you see fit. i'm not knocking or trashing people who join breaks, but this is the exact mentality that is feeding this group break movement. i used to think the same way, and joined tons of breaks back in the day. i don't even like thinking about the money i spent on breaks.

i don't even really collect anymore, the hobby is just turning into a ugly place to me, and is getting more and more out of hand every year. i just thought this thread about a horrible product like this was a good place to share this view.

[paul06901]

this was obviously designed with fleecing the sheep that mindlessly join group breaks everyday.

group breaks are slowly eroding the hobby away. card companies are hip to the game now, even to the point where they kiss the bigger breakers #@#@#@es at the industry summits and invite them special events at the national's. they even let some of these "breakers" buy direct now.

companies can make crap products like this cause they know idiots are willing to join breaks and offset the cost of a box/case by pissing money away on "slot".

it's why you will continue to see products like this produced, and see companies like panini continue to raise prices on products all while watering down the content and hits. products are being made with the group break in mind now. garbage will sell when it's broken down to "spot prices".

you can go online and see people running group breaks 24 hrs a day. it's sick. these scumbags like chad redfern, and josh cade exploiting people's gambling addictions, running group breaks and lining their pockets. how is being a group breaker a legitimate business avenue now? amazing, lol.

the card companies even have these guys in their pockets now, giving them free swag, and inviting them to events like the rookie premiere days, in return they will pump all the garbage that topps and panini want to put out and help them move cases at a ridiculous rate.

you can call me crazy, but keep watching these sharks like "truth 17" and 'ccx' and all the other breakers that are making a living off this continue to ruin the hobby. products like this will keep coming out, and card companies will keep watering down products while raising prices.

wake up sheeple, group breaks are not good for the hobby, and exploit people with addictive tendencies.

I like the way you think. I couldn't have said it better myself :)!


You can't even call this a hobby anymore. There are FAR more pure gamblers than there are collectors!

I mean, there's even plenty of guys who are so desperate to feed their insatiable craving that they need to have Blowout break the boxes for them and send them the hits, instead of waiting and receiving the box themselves -- ISN'T THAT THE FUN OF IT?! To slow roll your own hits? Now it's like these buyers are the same guys who buy scratch-off lotto tickets and just scratch the barcode to have it scanned to see if they won or not, without scratching the game.

To each their own, I know.

But I like how you touched on the sourcing side of things. It looks like SBAY is selling $7250 boxes with $5,000 worth of miscellaneous, random items they buy cheaply on eBay. Not bad to make over $2k each box!

Not saying they're doing anything "wrong", but what they're doing is influencing the major manufacturers as well.



There will be one day where all collectors will be fed up with all the BS in this "hobby". It will get to that point, it's slowly getting there over the past 5 or so years. And when it does get there, the hobby will just merely be a casino. :devil:

[GC1980]

I like the way you think. I couldn't have said it better myself :)!


You can't even call this a hobby anymore. There are FAR more pure gamblers than there are collectors!

I mean, there's even plenty of guys who are so desperate to feed their insatiable craving that they need to have Blowout break the boxes for them and send them the hits, instead of waiting and receiving the box themselves -- ISN'T THAT THE FUN OF IT?! To slow roll your own hits? Now it's like these buyers are the same guys who buy scratch-off lotto tickets and just scratch the barcode to have it scanned to see if they won or not, without scratching the game.

To each their own, I know.

But I like how you touched on the sourcing side of things. It looks like SBAY is selling $7250 boxes with $5,000 worth of miscellaneous, random items they buy cheaply on eBay. Not bad to make over $2k each box!

Not saying they're doing anything "wrong", but what they're doing is influencing the major manufacturers as well.



There will be one day where all collectors will be fed up with all the BS in this "hobby". It will get to that point, it's slowly getting there over the past 5 or so years. And when it does get there, the hobby will just merely be a casino. :devil:

Agree with this. Where is the fun in having someone else break the box and mail you hits? Everyone knows that breaking boxes of anything is a losing proposition the majority of the time. Smart money is always on buying singles. They way I always viewed it and the reason I never get salty on the hobby is you buy the cards you want and you rip when you are simply in the mood to have a good time and go back to the roots.

I see the logic in group breaks but if you are after say, Cavs cards, why not wait for others to break and dump the singles? You know you are going to find the ones you want on eBay. If its to chase the 1 of 1 i guess I see the draw but the fun of the chase is cracking the pack.

These repacks are a totally different breed though. Nothing is proprietary to the box and locked away the way a big hit is in say NT or Prizm. Those need to be ripped to see the light of day. These repacks are things you can easily grab on ebay or any other auction venue. Sure $725 can get you something bigger than $725 but it also more than likely gets you something worse. Now factor in the multi sport aspect of these particular boxes and its really a crap shoot.

At $7250? Jesus, that's a low grade 1952 Topps Mick or a BGS 9.5 MJ Fleer and money to spare.

[paul06901]

Agree with this. Where is the fun in having someone else break the box and mail you hits? Everyone knows that breaking boxes of anything is a losing proposition the majority of the time. Smart money is always on buying singles. They way I always viewed it and the reason I never get salty on the hobby is you buy the cards you want and you rip when you are simply in the mood to have a good time and go back to the roots.

I see the logic in group breaks but if you are after say, Cavs cards, why not wait for others to break and dump the singles? You know you are going to find the ones you want on eBay. If its to chase the 1 of 1 i guess I see the draw but the fun of the chase is cracking the pack.

These repacks are a totally different breed though. Nothing is proprietary to the box and locked away the way a big hit is in say NT or Prizm. Those need to be ripped to see the light of day. These repacks are things you can easily grab on ebay or any other auction venue. Sure $725 can get you something bigger than $725 but it also more than likely gets you something worse. Now factor in the multi sport aspect of these particular boxes and its really a crap shoot.

At $7250? Jesus, that's a low grade 1952 Topps Mick or a BGS 9.5 MJ Fleer and money to spare.

I concur. Those gamblers just need to instantly find out if they hit a $1,000+ card. Another horrible thing they do is list a big hit as SOON as it's opened by another person via webcam! They take a screenshot of the card during the break and use that as their auction picture! Unreal!

Many of the collectors left the hobby, or lowered their spending bar by a LOT. Because there's SO MANY Panini products hitting the secondary market, there's still plenty to choose from.

What people are failing to realize is what SBAY is doing is packing the boxes full of 7-8 $200-400 items that "look" nice but have terrible values. Items that have "shock value" but horrible market value. Memorabilia, for the most part, is cheap (comparing to the fact that a card with a 1/1000 piece of a jersey can sell for more than the entire jersey!). A Babe Ruth Auto = COOL! -- if it were a cut, licensed auto. A Babe Ruth weird autographed letter with random writing on it? = NOT COOL! .... A Teddy Roosevelt weird autographed letter framed piece = NOT COOL! Not for the TOP hit of a $7250 box. SBAY buys items that have the SHOCK value. RUTH AUTO!, ROOSEVELT AUTO!, etc. But not QUALITY items. And if anyone here thinks SBAY doesn't know exactly where those sell-sheet items are going to when they ship the boxes -- you need to re-think things....

A BGS 10/10 2013 Kobe Auto #/49 ... that's what someone got for $725 in a group break. Really? That's a card that should be one of the 10 items in a $7250 SUPER DELUXE MEGA BREAK!!!


And let's not forget one more thing, SBAY didn't put out any production numbers. They simply said "LIMITED".

Meaning, they'll sit at their HQ and everytime someone buys a box, they go and buy $4,000-5,000 worth of random, miscellanous multi-sport junk on eBay and throw it in a poor-quality, poorly-designed box and send it to some chump for $7250 while pocketing $2,000-3,000. It's their caveat, their loophole to just sit back and make pure profit. The more power to them, though. Peeps keep buying them!

Two guys who signed up for the first Blowout group break already signed up for the 2nd one. One guy hit the 9th spot in the first one. So losing $500 instantly isn't a big deal to some, maybe to many, because this is a gambler's "hobby" these days! So don't expect the buyers to slow down on this junk!

Panini, Topps, Upper Deck are all losing revenue to these guys spending $725 on a group break for a single they could buy on eBay. This will all catch up to everything soon enough ... :devil:

[SPauthentic84]

I concur. Those gamblers just need to instantly find out if they hit a $1,000+ card. Another horrible thing they do is list a big hit as SOON as it's opened by another person via webcam! They take a screenshot of the card during the break and use that as their auction picture! Unreal!

Many of the collectors left the hobby, or lowered their spending bar by a LOT. Because there's SO MANY Panini products hitting the secondary market, there's still plenty to choose from.

What people are failing to realize is what SBAY is doing is packing the boxes full of 7-8 $200-400 items that "look" nice but have terrible values. Items that have "shock value" but horrible market value. Memorabilia, for the most part, is cheap (comparing to the fact that a card with a 1/1000 piece of a jersey can sell for more than the entire jersey!). A Babe Ruth Auto = COOL! -- if it were a cut, licensed auto. A Babe Ruth weird autographed letter with random writing on it? = NOT COOL! .... A Teddy Roosevelt weird autographed letter framed piece = NOT COOL! Not for the TOP hit of a $7250 box. SBAY buys items that have the SHOCK value. RUTH AUTO!, ROOSEVELT AUTO!, etc. But not QUALITY items. And if anyone here thinks SBAY doesn't know exactly where those sell-sheet items are going to when they ship the boxes -- you need to re-think things....

A BGS 10/10 2013 Kobe Auto #/49 ... that's what someone got for $725 in a group break. Really? That's a card that should be one of the 10 items in a $7250 SUPER DELUXE MEGA BREAK!!!


And let's not forget one more thing, SBAY didn't put out any production numbers. They simply said "LIMITED".

Meaning, they'll sit at their HQ and everytime someone buys a box, they go and buy $4,000-5,000 worth of random, miscellanous multi-sport junk on eBay and throw it in a poor-quality, poorly-designed box and send it to some chump for $7250 while pocketing $2,000-3,000. It's their caveat, their loophole to just sit back and make pure profit. The more power to them, though. Peeps keep buying them!

Two guys who signed up for the first Blowout group break already signed up for the 2nd one. One guy hit the 9th spot in the first one. So losing $500 instantly isn't a big deal to some, maybe to many, because this is a gambler's "hobby" these days! So don't expect the buyers to slow down on this junk!

Panini, Topps, Upper Deck are all losing revenue to these guys spending $725 on a group break for a single they could buy on eBay. This will all catch up to everything soon enough ... :devil:

Paul-I agree. I cant stand people who buy singles cheap then have huge mark ups trying to cash in. The hobby is going to crap

[paul06901]

Joe, you should join on of these breaks. Maybe then you'll finally own a legit Maravich auto :D

[SPauthentic84]

Joe, you should join on of these breaks. Maybe then you'll finally own a legit Maravich auto :D

Paul-why are you getting personal? I agree with what you are saying.

[Sikkcaden]

Why are people so concerned with products they have no interest in buying?

How about this product idea? One of these companies should buy cards in BGS cases and crack em. Then when the customer resubmits them they find out if they got a BGS 10 or a BGS 7.5!...the only downside is that its frowned upon by almost everyone in this thread to crack a BGS 7.5 then sell it, so it might have a hard time gaining traction.

[90sEraKnicks]

Paul, I really enjoy your posts because it's making me second-guess my motives for getting into the hobby and whether the hobby is worth getting back into. I think in a little way we all want to relive our youths and I feel like there are a lot of young baskebtall players I'd like to collect again but you speak in dark terms for this hobby.

When I was looking to join some National Treasures case breaks I did notice your name in a couple. I guess you can see some benefit in joining case breaks then for collectors right?

[paul06901]

Paul, I really enjoy your posts because it's making me second-guess my motives for getting into the hobby and whether the hobby is worth getting back into. I think in a little way we all want to relive our youths and I feel like there are a lot of young baskebtall players I'd like to collect again but you speak in dark terms for this hobby.

When I was looking to join some National Treasures case breaks I did notice your name in a couple. I guess you can see some benefit in joining case breaks then for collectors right?

With Panini (manufacturer-created) products, group breaks are not nearly as detrimental for the hobby. Those cards have never seen the market. These SBAY boxes are mostly filled with items they bought on eBay.

But with these "self-made" products, combined with group breaks, they throw the economics off greatly.


So yeah, I fully see the sarcasm in your post, but many people like to understand both sides of the coin and not just the "NEW PRODUCT, BUY BUY BUY!" side to things.

I'm not sure what the two guys above you said, because they're both on my ignore, but I can guarantee they made some idiotic, completely irrelevant troll posts. That's ok though, I've said what I wanted to say on this topic, and it's not going to change someone's thoughts on dropping $725 quickly for a $200 item they could go buy on eBay today. But it's my opinion on the product, and this is a sportscard messageboard, so I wanted to share :D

[jlzinck]

With Panini (manufacturer-created) products, group breaks are not nearly as detrimental for the hobby. Those cards have never seen the market. These SBAY boxes are mostly filled with items they bought on eBay.

But with these "self-made" products, combined with group breaks, they throw the economics off greatly.


So yeah, I fully see the sarcasm in your post, but many people like to understand both sides of the coin and not just the "NEW PRODUCT, BUY BUY BUY!" side to things.

I'm not sure what the two guys above you said, because they're both on my ignore, but I can guarantee they made some idiotic, completely irrelevant troll posts. That's ok though, I've said what I wanted to say on this topic, and it's not going to change someone's thoughts on dropping $725 quickly for a $200 item they could go buy on eBay today. But it's my opinion on the product, and this is a sportscard messageboard, so I wanted to share :D


Translation.....do as I say...not as I do.

[90sEraKnicks]

With Panini (manufacturer-created) products, group breaks are not nearly as detrimental for the hobby. Those cards have never seen the market. These SBAY boxes are mostly filled with items they bought on eBay.

But with these "self-made" products, combined with group breaks, they throw the economics off greatly.


So yeah, I fully see the sarcasm in your post, but many people like to understand both sides of the coin and not just the "NEW PRODUCT, BUY BUY BUY!" side to things.

I'm not sure what the two guys above you said, because they're both on my ignore, but I can guarantee they made some idiotic, completely irrelevant troll posts. That's ok though, I've said what I wanted to say on this topic, and it's not going to change someone's thoughts on dropping $725 quickly for a $200 item they could go buy on eBay today. But it's my opinion on the product, and this is a sportscard messageboard, so I wanted to share :D

No I wasn't being sarcastic and apologize if it came off that way. I was just saying that case breaks of high end stuff from Panini is not as bad as this crap that this thread is about, which I explained to someone earlier. I think putting up $250 for a multi-case break of high end stuff is better than trying your luck buying one box of NT that costs three times that amount.

Just was pointing out that group case breaks might not be as bad for the hobby. Obviously there's a huge gambling aspect to case breakers on breakers.tv 24 hours a day but not all case breaks are created equal as I'm sure you are aware of. I'm just trying to wrap my arms around this whole hobby again!

[Brobocop]

What I don't understand is that people want to buy singles on eBay and not bust boxes but sometimes bash box and case breakers saying they are bad for the hobby. I get that, busting boxes is a losing proposition. But the hobby needs both the busting wax and buying singles sides in order to survive. I've never participated in a group break, but what better way to get singles out there than busting multiple cases of a product when it releases? I don't think group breaks are bad for the hobby. I know one can argue that products are way over produced because of case breaks but it seems to me that Panini prints what they want to print of a product. With the basketball market becoming larger and larger they probably feel that what they can't sell in North America they can probably sell in Asia.

I don't think a few large case breakers out there are enough to drive up the production of a product. Panini would be a bit stupid to rely on case breakers to buy their products once they are printed and finished.

I do agree though, this Super Break product stinks. I bought a repack product once and it was not a good experience. I'll never do that again. And that was only a $150 Leaf box. I can't imagine paying $725 for a spot in this, or $7,250 for a box of this. Paul is right in that these products are a gambler's dream but it is their money and they can choose to do whatever they want with it.

[SPauthentic84]

Translation.....do as I say...not as I do.

Wait, who else does that?

[xbignick]

This went pretty off-topic....

On the why have someone bust for you thought, guess some people see more fun in having a box opened on camera with your friends and others watching your hits while you're sitting bored at home/work and can't get it that moment versus sitting by yourself opening it and then posting the results.

[jj2]

I concur. Those gamblers just need to instantly find out if they hit a $1,000+ card. Another horrible thing they do is list a big hit as SOON as it's opened by another person via webcam! They take a screenshot of the card during the break and use that as their auction picture! Unreal!

Many of the collectors left the hobby, or lowered their spending bar by a LOT. Because there's SO MANY Panini products hitting the secondary market, there's still plenty to choose from.

What people are failing to realize is what SBAY is doing is packing the boxes full of 7-8 $200-400 items that "look" nice but have terrible values. Items that have "shock value" but horrible market value. Memorabilia, for the most part, is cheap (comparing to the fact that a card with a 1/1000 piece of a jersey can sell for more than the entire jersey!). A Babe Ruth Auto = COOL! -- if it were a cut, licensed auto. A Babe Ruth weird autographed letter with random writing on it? = NOT COOL! .... A Teddy Roosevelt weird autographed letter framed piece = NOT COOL! Not for the TOP hit of a $7250 box. SBAY buys items that have the SHOCK value. RUTH AUTO!, ROOSEVELT AUTO!, etc. But not QUALITY items. And if anyone here thinks SBAY doesn't know exactly where those sell-sheet items are going to when they ship the boxes -- you need to re-think things....

A BGS 10/10 2013 Kobe Auto #/49 ... that's what someone got for $725 in a group break. Really? That's a card that should be one of the 10 items in a $7250 SUPER DELUXE MEGA BREAK!!!


And let's not forget one more thing, SBAY didn't put out any production numbers. They simply said "LIMITED".

Meaning, they'll sit at their HQ and everytime someone buys a box, they go and buy $4,000-5,000 worth of random, miscellanous multi-sport junk on eBay and throw it in a poor-quality, poorly-designed box and send it to some chump for $7250 while pocketing $2,000-3,000. It's their caveat, their loophole to just sit back and make pure profit. The more power to them, though. Peeps keep buying them!

Two guys who signed up for the first Blowout group break already signed up for the 2nd one. One guy hit the 9th spot in the first one. So losing $500 instantly isn't a big deal to some, maybe to many, because this is a gambler's "hobby" these days! So don't expect the buyers to slow down on this junk!

Panini, Topps, Upper Deck are all losing revenue to these guys spending $725 on a group break for a single they could buy on eBay. This will all catch up to everything soon enough ... :devil:

You're suprised that company is selling a product for more than it cost them to make (on average)?

[CollegeTTMs]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLifUA00gmc

[Brobocop]

Chris' break wasn't bad, you have to wonder though, the owner of Super Box called him personally to let him know that the specific box had two items in one of the bags. Every other break has had every item bagged separately. Just enough distrust for me to stay far away from these products. That and the lack of value for my money.


Edit: And I just finished the video and of course the Abreu superfractor was in there. An FDR signature. Every card was a well known name or prospect to boot. Makes me wonder what is in the other box?

[razorsharp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLifUA00gmc

LOL

Every comment is "how loaded".

Um, ok. The Abreu superfractor is the only item that is worth more than $700.

So 1 winner out of 10.

Yeah, real loaded.

[hairyangryfella]

Paul, I really enjoy your posts because it's making me second-guess my motives for getting into the hobby and whether the hobby is worth getting back into. I think in a little way we all want to relive our youths and I feel like there are a lot of young baskebtall players I'd like to collect again but you speak in dark terms for this hobby.

When I was looking to join some National Treasures case breaks I did notice your name in a couple. I guess you can see some benefit in joining case breaks then for collectors right?

I would like to touch on this point.

Paul is pretty spot on with a lot of the issues he brings up. However, he is also a contributor to the state of the hobby with his practices (deliberately buys things cheap, sells them high) which has people mocking him.

If you are getting back into the hobby, or want to break something but can't afford to/don't want to pay the price of a box/case, then a group break is a decent way to start. You don't get the thrill of opening things yourself, but you can at least participate without blowing all of your money. Sometimes it sucks though (like joining two Flawless breaks and ending up with middle and last picks)...

The hobby is definitely heading for dark times, there is far too much greed in int. However, the hobby is most certainly worth getting back into if it will bring you joy. You don't have to buy high end or 'hot' products - just what you enjoy or which players/teams you like. If your intent is to enjoy the hobby and collect cards of the things you like then your motives should be fine. If you're wanting to become yet another 'profiteer' then you'll have a lot of competition out there...

My advice - buy what you can afford, what you enjoy, and don't worry about making money - it'll make it a lot nicer for you. I'm basically quitting the hobby because I'm tired of all the rubbish, however I have enjoyed picking up a bunch of Flawless jumbo patch cards. I've overpaid for several, but I wanted them and I will enjoy them. That's the hobby.

[Brobocop]

LOL

Every comment is "how loaded".

Um, ok. The Abreu superfractor is the only item that is worth more than $700.

So 1 winner out of 10.

Yeah, real loaded.

I think if you put it up against other breaks of this, this was by far loaded compared to the other boxes. Each hit was a fairly big name (LeBron, Jordan, Manning, FDR, DiMaggio, Abreu) whereas in every other break it's been loaded with cards that were low numbered but were of fairly mid- to low-tier players if it was a low numbered card. It will not have a return on investment, but this box delivered what some may expect a product like this to produce.

[razorsharp]

I think if you put it up against other breaks of this, this was by far loaded compared to the other boxes. Each hit was a fairly big name (LeBron, Jordan, Manning, FDR, DiMaggio, Abreu) whereas in every other break it's been loaded with cards that were low numbered but were of fairly mid- to low-tier players if it was a low numbered card. It will not have a return on investment, but this box delivered what some may expect a product like this to produce.

Big name, who cares?

That Doug Martin card isn't even $100. Absolutely pathetic that a card like that is in this break.

The Jordan and LeBron are both high school/college crap.

The DiMaggio is a $150 card and the Abreu BGS 9.5/10 is a $250 card.

Again, the only winner is this break is the person who got the Abreu superfractor. Everyone else lost money.

[90sEraKnicks]

If you're a flipper and the most outspoken on the hobby and everything Panini and call out people as gamblers, I just see that as blatant hypocrisy. It's OK for one person to do something and not others? If that's what the hobby has come down to in a nutshell, there's plenty of blame to go around. No just one section of the hobby.

I'm not saying flipping is a bad thing in any hobby - it happens in all of them - but practice what you preach.

In the game-worn auctions on NBA.com, I read that the same guy wins multiple auctions for all of the big time players. Is that fair or not? At least he collects them and doesn't look to resell.

[Brobocop]

Big name, who cares?

That Doug Martin card isn't even $100. Absolutely pathetic that a card like that is in this break.

The Jordan and LeBron are both high school/college crap.

The DiMaggio is a $150 card and the Abreu BGS 9.5/10 is a $250 card.

Again, the only winner is this break is the person who got the Abreu superfractor. Everyone else lost money.

Can we just sit here and think about how weird it is that a DiMaggio signed card is worth that much less than a Jose Abreu autograph?

P.S. I don't like this product, but I think you probably just saw the best box of this out there. Also, how is the talking voice activated boxes? Has anyone seen that function in any of these videos? I might be skipping that part.

[irfuji]

Ok, call me naive. But how are group breaks bad for the hobby?

I can understand that there are and always will be shady people who will lie cheat and steal to earn as big a profit as possible.

But the breaks here are pretty upfront on the pricing and costs. From my perspective it gets people excited to be able to try and get a monster card for a % of the full case price.

Repackaged products I think need more transparency before I would try them.

At the same time, laws of supply and demand still apply. No demand and the price goes down.

[hairyangryfella]

If you're a flipper and the most outspoken on the hobby and everything Panini and call out people as gamblers, I just see that as blatant hypocrisy. It's OK for one person to do something and not others? If that's what the hobby has come down to in a nutshell, there's plenty of blame to go around. No just one section of the hobby.

I'm not saying flipping is a bad thing in any hobby - it happens in all of them - but practice what you preach.

In the game-worn auctions on NBA.com, I read that the same guy wins multiple auctions for all of the big time players. Is that fair or not? At least he collects them and doesn't look to resell.

You seem to know a lot about things for a newbie...

It's not fair that nobody else ever has any chance to win any of the 'star' jerseys because jtnbafan has to buy every single one of them. He's not a collector. He's a hoarder. Even meaningless regular season jerseys are untouchable. I've only ever seen him lose two auctions - and both times the winner had to pay an insane amount (like $8000 for a pair of Tony Parker All-Star SHORTS).
But then again you have people buying up the other ones that he doesn't win just to list them on ebay for more...

[thenwhatjk]

If you're a flipper and the most outspoken on the hobby and everything Panini and call out people as gamblers, I just see that as blatant hypocrisy. It's OK for one person to do something and not others? If that's what the hobby has come down to in a nutshell, there's plenty of blame to go around. No just one section of the hobby.

I'm not saying flipping is a bad thing in any hobby - it happens in all of them - but practice what you preach.


Joined this month, has made 31 posts, and this dude already knows whats up and can call a spade a spade. Cheers to you, new guy

[jj2]

LOL

Every comment is "how loaded".

Um, ok. The Abreu superfractor is the only item that is worth more than $700.

So 1 winner out of 10.

Yeah, real loaded.

I don't follow baseball but wouldn't that superfractor pay for the box by itself? I'm guessing that FDR auto is probably worth a bit as well.

[hreed2]

Meaning, they'll sit at their HQ and everytime someone buys a box, they go and buy $4,000-5,000 worth of random, miscellanous multi-sport junk on eBay and throw it in a poor-quality, poorly-designed box and send it to some chump for $7250 while pocketing $2,000-3,000. It's their caveat, their loophole to just sit back and make pure profit. The more power to them, though. Peeps keep buying them!

Well I completely agree with almost everything you said I just wanted to point that odds are that Sbay probably isn't making as big of a profit as you think. I agree that they're probably spending around $4 - 5k a box for this stuff but they're probably actually selling it to blowout for around $6 - 6,500 I would have to guess (which would mean Blowout is really just making a 10 - 20% profit on these which from a business perspective isn't much). Yeah they are still making a killing pocketing around 1k a box (I would guess that would be the average but that's just an educated guess.

That's the real problem with repackaged breaks, if you could buy them right from the source then they might be decent and have a change to be something work breaking but because you have to get them through a 2nd or 3rd source and each previous source needs to make their money, the value to cost ratio really takes a beating, but that's the nature of the beast! The difference between a product like this and anything Panini, Topps or UD puts out is that you really have a pretty good idea of what you're going to get. I'd imagine every box of this would have around 70% resale value on the low end (I'd guess the vast majority of the boxes would fall around this range) and there's probably a hand full of boxes you can make a small profit on. If you open some Topps, Panini or UD products you can hit a home run (I've made over 400% profit on a case before) or absolutely strike out (I've had quite a few 10 - 25% resale value breaks).

[Halbert]

Why is BO selling this?

[theRLO]

Why is BO selling this?

Because it is a product related to the hobby.

Why wouldn't BO sell this?

[Sikkcaden]

Because it is a product related to the hobby.

Why wouldn't BO sell this?


*looks at avi*

JODYHiGHROLLER!!!!!

TIP TOWIN IN MY JAW DINS

[Halbert]

Because it is a product related to the hobby.

Why wouldn't BO sell this?

With so many products available, why buy this type of product and sell it here from 'some company'

[jt16]

Lebron game used high school uniform just pulled on cardsinfinity.com

shorts and jersey

[90sEraKnicks]

Flawless Anthony Davis PSA 10 Pop 1 also, but not his real rookie card, was the /100 version.

[jt16]

Flawless Anthony Davis PSA 10 Pop 1 also, but not his real rookie card, was the /100 version.

I am in this break...10% shot at Lebron...I will take it

[90sEraKnicks]

I am in this break...10% shot at Lebron...I will take it

It would be my first choice for sure. GL.

[jt16]

It would be my first choice for sure. GL.

It is a random so no draft....Great cards in that break.

[90sEraKnicks]

The only thing I disagree with is the people in chat who don't want you criticizing the box break. They think every item is worth 10x what it's worth. What do people want to get lied to? If I put $750 on black at the casino and lose, do I want my friend to tell me I made the right choice anyway? It's a gamble and people can defend and critcize as they please.

Everyone in chat is getting this rush of adrenaline and want to probably join the next 5-10 super box breaks.

[jt16]

The only thing I disagree with is the people in chat who don't want you criticizing the box break. They think every item is worth 10x what it's worth. What do people want to get lied to? If I put $750 on black at the casino and lose, do I want my friend to tell me I made the right choice anyway? It's a gamble and people can defend and critcize as they please.

Everyone in chat is getting this rush of adrenaline and want to probably join the next 5-10 super box breaks.

Ended up losing...got the Albert.

[ybomber]

I am in this break...10% shot at Lebron...I will take it

Who ended up with the lebron? I had a spot but missed the break. I was michael you on the list.

[hairyangryfella]

Lebron game used high school uniform just pulled on cardsinfinity.com

shorts and jersey

Certified by whom? Because there are a surprizingly HUGE amount of those jerseys out there.... and they're not hugely popular -
Lot Detail - LeBron James Game Worn High School Uniform ( Jersey and Shorts ) (http://goldinauctions.com/LeBron_James_Game_Worn_High_School_Uniform___Jerse-LOT7739.aspx)

[jt16]

Who ended up with the lebron? I had a spot but missed the break. I was michael you on the list.

I am not sure..I seen my hit and logged off. Box was a good box

[Cavaliercards]

Who ended up with the lebron? I had a spot but missed the break. I was michael you on the list.

Some guy named Michael ended up with it, didnt see last name.

[jt16]

Certified by whom? Because there are a surprizingly HUGE amount of those jerseys out there.... and they're not hugely popular -
Lot Detail - LeBron James Game Worn High School Uniform ( Jersey and Shorts ) (http://goldinauctions.com/LeBron_James_Game_Worn_High_School_Uniform___Jerse-LOT7739.aspx)

I want to say Mears but I am not sure.

[ybomber]

Some guy named Michael ended up with it, didnt see last name.

Holy crap, I'm keeping my fingers crossed!

[Cavaliercards]

Holy crap, I'm keeping my fingers crossed!

Call shop and ask.

[90sEraKnicks]

Holy crap, I'm keeping my fingers crossed!

Just go on breakers.tv and cardsinfinity channel.

[hairyangryfella]

I want to say Mears but I am not sure.

If it's Mears A5 it ain't even remotely proven real. I'd be interested to know exactly what it was.

[paul06901]

Lot Detail - 2002-03 LeBron James St. Vincent/St. Mary's Irish High School Game-Used Home Uniform (2) (http://catalog.greyflannelauctions.com/2002-03-LeBron-James-St-Vincent-St-Marys-Irish--LOT31626.aspx)

$1,900 for the jersey ... but that's by Grey Flannel.



Then this one which is likely more accurate in pricing: http://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-03-LEBRON-JAMES-HIGH-SCHOOL-GAME-USED-JERSEY-WHITE-ORIGINAL-PRO-CUT-RARE-/181439534318?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a3ea394ee&nma=true&si=TaIUu9KhnP5kSBWQn1MHc8YiGm8%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-03-LEBRON-JAMES-HIGH-SCHOOL-GAME-USED-JERSEY-WHITE-ORIGINAL-PRO-CUT-RARE-/181439534318?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a3ea394ee&nma=true&si=TaIUu9KhnP5kSBWQn1MHc8YiGm8%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)



meh.

[90sEraKnicks]

This Lebron went for more than $3k last year at Mears:
Lot Detail - 2002 LeBron James Akron St. Vincent/St. Mary Fighting Irish Game Worn High School Uniform (MEARS LOA) (http://sports.mearsonlineauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=70870)

[hairyangryfella]

This Lebron went for more than $3k last year at Mears:
Lot Detail - 2002 LeBron James Akron St. Vincent/St. Mary Fighting Irish Game Worn High School Uniform (MEARS LOA) (http://sports.mearsonlineauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=70870)

'Mears Auction LOA' - means very little.
So that's how many we've already seen... did he wear a new uniform for every single game...??

[Bruin7]

I would have been happy with one of the top 3 picks from this second box (Lebron gamer, MJ Auto, Puig Auto) but unfortunately I ended up with the Trout auto.

I just finished reading this thread along with the one in the other section. I have no idea why so many people are hating on this product. 95% didn't even buy into the break. I guess they're free to express their opinions since this is a forum but the amount of hate would normally be reserved for those that actually bought into the break. Some people want to spend $750 at the chance at a big ticket item. On average the top 2 in each box have been solid so a 20% chance is well worth it to me.

Back in the day I remember buying Bowman/Bowman Chrome/Bowman Draft in 5-10 case lots during release. It was a pain in the butt to build player lots, list those auctions, and rip that many packs to try and break even (plus a slipped disc in my back from sitting there so long). There was another comment about Leaf BOB being a better break. Really??? Have you seen the recent BK release? I would rather buy a slot in this break than a 3-box case of Leaf BOB. Everything was Larry Bird & Dr. J and graded BGS 8.5.

Super Deluxe and other similar products are the only way I'll ever have a chance at a Babe Ruth auto, rare game-used items, or big money cards. Bottom line is you have a higher mathematical chance of hitting something big in one of these products regardless if its repurchased from eBay or someone else. To each their own but I think its comical for those talking garbage about something they didn’t even buy into.

[hairyangryfella]

To each their own but I think its comical for those talking garbage about something they didn’t even buy into.

So we're supposed to spend/blow $750 on 'the chance' of hitting something big in order to be able to criticize it??
I'd rather go to the casino - more fun.

You are happy about it, good for you.
Don't take offense about us talking about it if we haven't done it though.

[KingFelix]

The next product that SBAy puts out like this, someone oughtta f them over by buying the entire first box they send to Chris, and keep it for themselves. Maybe then, these guys will actually lose money for once, and wont get the advertising necessary to pull off their scam.

[paul06901]

I would have been happy with one of the top 3 picks from this second box (Lebron gamer, MJ Auto, Puig Auto) but unfortunately I ended up with the Trout auto.

I just finished reading this thread along with the one in the other section. I have no idea why so many people are hating on this product. 95% didn't even buy into the break. I guess they're free to express their opinions since this is a forum but the amount of hate would normally be reserved for those that actually bought into the break. Some people want to spend $750 at the chance at a big ticket item. On average the top 2 in each box have been solid so a 20% chance is well worth it to me.

Back in the day I remember buying Bowman/Bowman Chrome/Bowman Draft in 5-10 case lots during release. It was a pain in the butt to build player lots, list those auctions, and rip that many packs to try and break even (plus a slipped disc in my back from sitting there so long). There was another comment about Leaf BOB being a better break. Really??? Have you seen the recent BK release? I would rather buy a slot in this break than a 3-box case of Leaf BOB. Everything was Larry Bird & Dr. J and graded BGS 8.5.

Super Deluxe and other similar products are the only way I'll ever have a chance at a Babe Ruth auto, rare game-used items, or big money cards. Bottom line is you have a higher mathematical chance of hitting something big in one of these products regardless if its repurchased from eBay or someone else. To each their own but I think its comical for those talking garbage about something they didn’t even buy into.


So, there's not a Ruth auto in every box, and you're generally saying "big money cards". You're risking $750 each time, with what seems to be the majority (7 or 8 spots) being around $200-300 in value. That's a $400/500 loss each time.

So you lose out on a few of these breaks and the money you've blown with the gamble could have paid for the exact item you WANT. Not some bogus Babe Ruth autographed piece of toilet paper in a frame.


Just admit it, you want to pull a $10,000 item so you can sell it on eBay. You're essentially gambling money for more money. There's nothing wrong iwth that, but that's what SBAY boxes are. Nobody's saying "I WANT TO RISK $750 TO PULL A PC ITEM!" Because nobody really even knows what's in the boxes other than the sell-sheet items!

Why "gamble" for an item you say you "want" instead of just buying it?

There's no problem with it just being a money gamble, but don't talk like it has anything to do with the cards/items themselves -- it's just about hitting a multi-thousand dollar item to sell on eBay... that's how it is for any of those guys in the group breaks.

[Bruin7]

So we're supposed to spend/blow $750 on 'the chance' of hitting something big in order to be able to criticize it??
I'd rather go to the casino - more fun.

You are happy about it, good for you.
Don't take offense about us talking about it if we haven't done it though.

So do you criticize like this in front of customers at a B&M when they're spending their own money opening products? Some people have the money to throw around. Sure going to Vegas is a lot more entertaining but I do think all of these comments are funny. I think some of you would be shocked if you added up your total breaks from the last 3-6 months (only those that actually open product not just buy singles). You probably have around or less than 20% in return. Why is this any different? In all honesty the entire concept of opening products is quite ridiculous these days. Breaks like this are the extreme but far more entertaining otherwise you wouldn't enjoy watching them and then talking trash about the product.

[Bruin7]

So, there's not a Ruth auto in every box, and you're generally saying "big money cards". You're risking $750 each time, with what seems to be the majority (7 or 8 spots) being around $200-300 in value. That's a $400/500 loss each time.

So you lose out on a few of these breaks and the money you've blown with the gamble could have paid for the exact item you WANT. Not some bogus Babe Ruth autographed piece of toilet paper in a frame.


Just admit it, you want to pull a $10,000 item so you can sell it on eBay. You're essentially gambling money for more money. There's nothing wrong iwth that, but that's what SBAY boxes are. Nobody's saying "I WANT TO RISK $750 TO PULL A PC ITEM!" Because nobody really even knows what's in the boxes other than the sell-sheet items!

Why "gamble" for an item you say you "want" instead of just buying it?

There's no problem with it just being a money gamble, but don't talk like it has anything to do with the cards/items themselves -- it's just about hitting a multi-thousand dollar item to sell on eBay... that's how it is for any of those guys in the group breaks.

Actually the items that are most intriguing to me are the Beattle quad auto and the 1921 Yankees team ball which would be PC items. I would never spend $10k-$20k for any item but it would be fun to spend $750 to try and get it. That's why I bought into the breaks. It wasn't to gamble in hopes of a $1000+ card to resell on eBay. I lost on both breaks but I don't do this every day like others. I don't even open regular wax anymore. Only time I spend money are on these types of breaks. I find them entertaining and its only once in a while.

[jt16]

So, there's not a Ruth auto in every box, and you're generally saying "big money cards". You're risking $750 each time, with what seems to be the majority (7 or 8 spots) being around $200-300 in value. That's a $400/500 loss each time.

So you lose out on a few of these breaks and the money you've blown with the gamble could have paid for the exact item you WANT. Not some bogus Babe Ruth autographed piece of toilet paper in a frame.


Just admit it, you want to pull a $10,000 item so you can sell it on eBay. You're essentially gambling money for more money. There's nothing wrong iwth that, but that's what SBAY boxes are. Nobody's saying "I WANT TO RISK $750 TO PULL A PC ITEM!" Because nobody really even knows what's in the boxes other than the sell-sheet items!

Why "gamble" for an item you say you "want" instead of just buying it?

There's no problem with it just being a money gamble, but don't talk like it has anything to do with the cards/items themselves -- it's just about hitting a multi-thousand dollar item to sell on eBay... that's how it is for any of those guys in the group breaks.

Speak for yourself. You don't know me and if I hit that lebron uniform it wasn't going any where but my wall. I also would have kept the trout and jordan.

I would keep any president cut or any historical piece. I don't need the quick eBay sale. I do ok in real life so I don't have to sell the big hits.

Also I see no difference in a 30 team random of national treasures. I am sure none of the big hits are going in eBay.

[paul06901]

Actually the items that are most intriguing to me are the Beattle quad auto and the 1921 Yankees team ball which would be PC items. I would never spend $10k-$20k for any item but it would be fun to spend $750 to try and get it. That's why I bought into the breaks. It wasn't to gamble in hopes of a $1000+ card to resell on eBay. I lost on both breaks but I don't do this every day like others. I don't even open regular wax anymore. Only time I spend money are on these types of breaks. I find them entertaining and its only once in a while.

Do you really trust that with a random, sketchy pre-packaged product like this, that SBAY doesn't know exactly where those top items are, and where they're going?

I play conspiracy theorist and say why couldn't there be anyone that hosts or is involved in massive quantities of breaking that has a connection at SBAY.

We're talking big money here. And SBAY is banking like $1.5-2k per box. Don't be surprised if there's some dirty stuff going on behind the scenes.


As with most gambling, the house always wins (on average), so don't expect any less here. Actually, don't expect any better odds, but expect much less in the form of legitimacy, transparency, etc.


Sorry to play Devil's Advocate, but these boxes are garbage.

[90sEraKnicks]

I'm not of fan of these prepackaged items but the same odds are with buying Flawless, Immaculate and National Treasures.

[Bruin7]

Do you really trust that with a random, sketchy pre-packaged product like this, that SBAY doesn't know exactly where those top items are, and where they're going?

I play conspiracy theorist and say why couldn't there be anyone that hosts or is involved in massive quantities of breaking that has a connection at SBAY.

We're talking big money here. And SBAY is banking like $1.5-2k per box. Don't be surprised if there's some dirty stuff going on behind the scenes.


As with most gambling, the house always wins (on average), so don't expect any less here. Actually, don't expect any better odds, but expect much less in the form of legitimacy, transparency, etc.


Sorry to play Devil's Advocate, but these boxes are garbage.

Well clearly they release and insert the big hits. We've seen several breaks and major items were found. They aren't like redemptions that might not get filled. If there are 65 boxes made and 65 big hit items then a 1/650 chance of hitting a big item are better odds than breaking a case of wax that costs $1000-$2000+ (Flawless, Immaculate, Exquisite).

You shouldn't watch any of these breaks because they clearly upset you so much. I don't think its good for your health.

On a side note I have no problem with SBay or HOS. In the past I've had a problem with one of their products and they immediately made it right. Literally same day I sent the email so with customer service like that I have no problem buying their products.

[dwest13cavs]

some interesting takes on opening a box of cards. Since this is a repack production now all of a sudden it is gambling. give me a break. It is no more gambling than opening a box of cards from topps, panini or any other product.

[hairyangryfella]

So do you criticize like this in front of customers at a B&M when they're spending their own money opening products? Some people have the money to throw around. Sure going to Vegas is a lot more entertaining but I do think all of these comments are funny. I think some of you would be shocked if you added up your total breaks from the last 3-6 months (only those that actually open product not just buy singles). You probably have around or less than 20% in return. Why is this any different? In all honesty the entire concept of opening products is quite ridiculous these days. Breaks like this are the extreme but far more entertaining otherwise you wouldn't enjoy watching them and then talking trash about the product.

I have no idea what B&M is, I don't break boxes because they're generally overpriced and poor design/quality, and I would never 'gamble' $750 on a shoddy product like this. I haven't watched the breaks, I'm just commenting on the situation.

[hairyangryfella]

some interesting takes on opening a box of cards. Since this is a repack production now all of a sudden it is gambling. give me a break. It is no more gambling than opening a box of cards from topps, panini or any other product.

Ugh, yeah it is...

An official release has odds. And you have no idea what cards you may be getting. You could have a killer box or a stinker. You could try to complete the base set or collect players, you're not buying purely for potential profit.
This pre-packed product has a sample of 'big hits' that people are trying for, but you get something for your entry regardless. You are gambling your $750 for the chance to win one of the advertised big hits.

[jt16]

Ugh, yeah it is...

An official release has odds. And you have no idea what cards you may be getting. You could have a killer box or a stinker. You could try to complete the base set or collect players, you're not buying purely for potential profit.
This pre-packed product has a sample of 'big hits' that people are trying for, but you get something for your entry regardless. You are gambling your $750 for the chance to win one of the advertised big hits.

So when somebody spends $500 on a box of national treasures they are trying to complete a base set or just hoping for a PC hit? They are not going for a huge logoman to sell on eBay?

Sell sheets don't show off the big hits? That's not advertising? Everybody has a reason for spending money on cards. For people to try to guess that reason is just a waste of time.

[SPauthentic84]

I picked the mystery flavor airhead all the time at the school store...I could have went with the cherry or blue rasberry...but i took the mystery...

Do u guys want to yell at me for how I spent my money?

[hairyangryfella]

So when somebody spends $500 on a box of national treasures they are trying to complete a base set or just hoping for a PC hit? They are not going for a huge logoman to sell on eBay?

Sell sheets don't show off the big hits? That's not advertising? Everybody has a reason for spending money on cards. For people to try to guess that reason is just a waste of time.

They may be hoping for the big hits, but not necessarily buying it just for them. You telling me that people are buying this Super Deluxe box in the hopes of, or would be happy pulling a Kobe Gold Standard auto? If you're busting NT and pull a Kobe auto, you'd probably be happy. Buying this 'Super Deluxe' product is purely for the big hits, of which there seem to be few, so you're gambling $750 to try to turn it into $1000+++

[jj2]

So, there's not a Ruth auto in every box, and you're generally saying "big money cards". You're risking $750 each time, with what seems to be the majority (7 or 8 spots) being around $200-300 in value. That's a $400/500 loss each time.

So you lose out on a few of these breaks and the money you've blown with the gamble could have paid for the exact item you WANT. Not some bogus Babe Ruth autographed piece of toilet paper in a frame.


Just admit it, you want to pull a $10,000 item so you can sell it on eBay. You're essentially gambling money for more money. There's nothing wrong iwth that, but that's what SBAY boxes are. Nobody's saying "I WANT TO RISK $750 TO PULL A PC ITEM!" Because nobody really even knows what's in the boxes other than the sell-sheet items!

Why "gamble" for an item you say you "want" instead of just buying it?

There's no problem with it just being a money gamble, but don't talk like it has anything to do with the cards/items themselves -- it's just about hitting a multi-thousand dollar item to sell on eBay... that's how it is for any of those guys in the group breaks.

Paul, are you upset you didn't think of this repackaging scheme first? You keep talking about gambling, yet every time any of us, including you, open a box or pack of cards we're essentially gambling if we're going to keep reducing the hobby to ROI, which you seem to do constantly.

Why do you join group breaks? Do you PC the bulk of what you get from group breaks or do you flip them? How is you buying a NT spot where you're probably going to lose money any different to these Superbox breaks? It's all relative. You keep saying everyone in these Superbox breaks is going to lose money except for maybe one or two people, but that's basically the scenario for any group break from Hoops right through to Flawless. What's your point?

[hairyangryfella]

I think it's amusing/ironic that you can't sell 'mystery packs' on this forum, yet BO themselves are selling these 'mystery packs'.

I also think people buying these are suckers/gamblers, but if they pull a major hit congrats to them. I wouldn't partake in it, but if you've got the money to lose, your gambling isn't hurting anyone, and you can live with the loss that you'll more than likely make, kudos to you.

[blackmarkers]

A lot of us are passionate about the hobby. We are protective of it. There is always a gambling element whether its a $2 pack or a $500 box. This product takes it to a new extreme. This product is so much more about gambling/money than it is about the hobby and card collecting. They are just using sports memorabilia as a medium. Thats why I don't see a place for it in the "hobby".

I also feel like the people buying into this are complete fools. What are you guys chasing? What are the big hits? Do you even know?

SB buys the cards on the secondary market. The product is designed to make a profit. To do that, the buyers have to take a loss over the entire run. While a box here or there may have value above the cost of a box, most will probably be a loss.. maybe every box is a loss. Panini on the other hand has costs associated with their cards, but these are printing, design, etc. They are not based on market values and the value of each box is unknown and will depend on supply and demand. While Panini is super slow with checklists, they are much more transparent with what could potentially be pulled in a box. In the end Panini would love for every box to deliver lots of value. I just don't get how guys buy into this knowing that SB has purposely designed this product so people take a loss so they can gain.

Panini is creating something new and adding it to the hobby. It takes a lot of time and effort to produce the products they make. While they may be greedy, they do add value to the hobby and you cannot compare them to SB.

How big is the biggest hit? Over a $1,000? How many of those hits exist? Seems like 1 person might make a little, another might break even and 8 people will lose. You guys are really taking your chances with that ish? And it is such a pain having to move a higher end item. The fees, the possible scammers, the low ballers, the anxiety while its in transit, etc. You really are better off going to the casino.

[pingbling23]

Why does it seem like the same people are constantly spewing negativity and bringing our hobby down? In the same breath they act like they are somehow trying to help the hobby...

[thenwhatjk]

Paul, are you upset you didn't think of this repackaging scheme first? You keep talking about gambling, yet every time any of us, including you, open a box or pack of cards we're essentially gambling if we're going to keep reducing the hobby to ROI, which you seem to do constantly.

Why do you join group breaks? Do you PC the bulk of what you get from group breaks or do you flip them? How is you buying a NT spot where you're probably going to lose money any different to these Superbox breaks? It's all relative. You keep saying everyone in these Superbox breaks is going to lose money except for maybe one or two people, but that's basically the scenario for any group break from Hoops right through to Flawless. What's your point?

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[thenwhatjk]

Why does it seem like the same people are constantly spewing negativity and bringing our hobby down? In the same breath they act like they are somehow trying to help the hobby...

Yes ten characters

[columbusbuckeye]

I like Paul, so let's not all attack the dude. I'm sure he doesn't mind though, he speaks his mind and getting hated on is often a result of that.

Ive joined a lot of Chris' (Cardsinfinity) breaks over the years.

I joined the Super Baseball break he did where spots were around $150 I believe. I ended up getting the worst hit in the 6 pack box and still broke even when I sold that plus the sketch card.

I also joined the Super Deluxe Break where spots were around $300 and ended up with a 1959 Topps Bob Gibson Rookie Card PSA 6. It was deemed the worst hit in the box and it sells for over the buy in price. Plus I got the sketch card again, so I should do ok if I decide to sell.


It's definitely a gamblers kind of break. I'm a collector but I also like to gamble at times. The difference is, I could go to a casino, put $150 on black at a roulette table and lose it all. I could buy two boxes of Bowman baseball and get two $5 autos.

Buying into group breaks of this kind is generally a much safer bet at making some of your money back than the two other options I mentioned (I only sell if it's something not for the PC).

I know a lot of people are against repack products but it provides the opportunity to get a great card at a fraction of the price, with a minimal risk of losing money in comparison to other alternatives.

Would I ever buy a full box? No absolutely not. I would and still will continue to take a chance every once in a while in a group break.

$725 a spot is a little too much for me at the time since I'm a recent college grad lol, but best of luck to those that join.


On a side note, I will say that I didn't like Scott (owner of SBAY) CALLING in the middle.of Chris' video. So he was watching the break just to make sure the loaded cases he sent Chris went over well. That was quite possibly the shadiest thing I've seen in a while. Things like that are what makes me want to leave this hobby and take the money from cards and put it in PMs and stocks that I like.

[jj2]

I like Paul, so let's not all attack the dude. I'm sure he doesn't mind though, he speaks his mind and getting hated on is often a result of that.

I don't think anyone is attacking him, and I don't think anyone is hating on him for simply speaking his mind. The problem some people have with Paul is that he has a tendency to rage against certain aspects of the hobby while doing the very same thing.

On a side note, I will say that I didn't like Scott (owner of SBAY) CALLING in the middle.of Chris' video. So he was watching the break just to make sure the loaded cases he sent Chris went over well. That was quite possibly the shadiest thing I've seen in a while. Things like that are what makes me want to leave this hobby and take the money from cards and put it in PMs and stocks that I like.

It was very shady that he called during the middle of that break to let Chris know where the missing hit was. I wouldn't be very happy about that if I had bought a box (or joined a group break) via another source other than Chris.

[90sEraKnicks]

On a side note, I will say that I didn't like Scott (owner of SBAY) CALLING in the middle.of Chris' video. So he was watching the break just to make sure the loaded cases he sent Chris went over well. That was quite possibly the shadiest thing I've seen in a while. Things like that are what makes me want to leave this hobby and take the money from cards and put it in PMs and stocks that I like.

Thought the same. Shady. So he basically knows what he's sending to each client?

[Crazybella8]

I will admit I thoroughly enjoy watching these breaks online! I see memorabilia and cards that I've never seen or even forgot about. When you get into the price range of exquisite, national treasures, leaf best of and these super breaks, there is definitely an element of gambling! It should be absolutely nobodies concern as to why anyone breaks these items!

I think what is an element to these breaks that is interesting is possibly it gives a new collector the opportunity to own something if they decide to keep it that they may never have gone out and purchases on their own! Also I think that in some minds if the card is sealed in a box and distributed in a product then there is a better feeling that it is authentic. I have seen cards at shows and thought wow is that real or fake? For some that same card coming out of a packaged box from a company may feel like it is real! Like many say if psa says it's real then it's real!

When I first experienced eBay, that is when the hobby completely changed for me! Unfortunately, because my gambler and risk taker mentality had me ripping just to list and watch what it sold for and more often then not lost money! But the thrill was there and when I rip the anticipation of hitting a big hit was cool. Always a downer though after I was so deep and my return was always less. My friend would always say why not just go to the boat? My answer would be because if I bring $200 to the boat and I lose I have nothing to show. If I buy a $200 box and it was bad and I "lose" I can still sell my hits for something and as dumb as it sounds that became my logic!

Anyway sorry for the long read and I wish that we as a forum could stop being so critical of each other! I think everyone here agrees that a majority of us really do enjoy the hobby and if we could come together as a whole we can continue to enjoy the hobby and watch it grow and continue to be "fun"!!!

[foreverLFC]

any repack owners reading this thread need a big hit for your next product? :D

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[XARZY]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=shslwlrhH_Q

[Brobocop]

I see where Paul is coming from. These repack boxes are a different animal from a regular wax release Panini, Upper Deck, or Topps would put out. With companies who do repack products like Sbay or Leaf, you have a bit of uncertainty since there is no checklist of items they bought to put into the product or a production run of boxes. All you have is a sell sheet that showcases the 10-15 biggest hits you can get out of it. At least Leaf started serial numbering the "Best of" boxes so you can be somewhat assured that there are not double dipping if a product becomes hot. Sbay though doesn't seem to do that, even on a product that costs this much money. If it is serial numbered I haven't heard it called out by any of the breakers.

At the end of the day, people are free to do what they want with their money. I don't think products like these do anything to really hurt the community. If people are doing this is as a pure gamble, they would have found some other way to gamble that money away. I just don't blame people for being a bit distrustful of products like this. There could be a lot of temptation to send loaded boxes to well known online breakers just to get word out about a product, only to unload the crap on those people. Kind of liek what Jordan Belfort did in The Wolf of Wall Street.

[Hdpooh34]

any repack owners reading this thread need a big hit for your next product? :D

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Damn shame, you held onto that card about 13 days too long buddy...Prices have plummeted on him about 400%...his regular auto fell from $465 to $100 in the span of 2 weeks

STRIKE WHILE THE IRON'S HOT BRO :flex:

[T3sT]

i think lots of negativity because of price point and the fact that 7k products only generate about 4-5k value on most boxes. If this product can give 6k value on each boxes i think many people will praise SBay as one of the best product that ever made.

[xavieronly1]

i think lots of negativity because of price point and the fact that 7k products only generate about 4-5k value on most boxes. If this product can give 6k value on each boxes i think many people will praise SBay as one of the best product that ever made.

Not going to happen........ BO makes the cut more than that...

[arkeeper]

I like Paul, so let's not all attack the dude. I'm sure he doesn't mind though, he speaks his mind and getting hated on is often a result of that.

Ive joined a lot of Chris' (Cardsinfinity) breaks over the years.

I joined the Super Baseball break he did where spots were around $150 I believe. I ended up getting the worst hit in the 6 pack box and still broke even when I sold that plus the sketch card.

I also joined the Super Deluxe Break where spots were around $300 and ended up with a 1959 Topps Bob Gibson Rookie Card PSA 6. It was deemed the worst hit in the box and it sells for over the buy in price. Plus I got the sketch card again, so I should do ok if I decide to sell.

.....


No way was that Bob Gibson the worst hit in the box. Whomever was breaking with you had no clue what they're talking about if they all decided you had the worst hit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBQbusk4HD4

Worse hits:
Willie Mays ball
Trout BGS 9/9
Buxton Leaf Draft
Myers Finest
Hank Aaron PSA 5
Vin Scully check

All of those hits lost money, some $200+ on the $300 spot.

I guess it makes sense for Super Break. Worst hit in $300 spot break is $50-60. Worst hit in $725 break is $100-150.

From what I've seen, HOS doesn't go that extreme with the 'bad' hits, maybe you get $120 for a $300 a spot at the worst. Could be wrong.

[arkeeper]

Damn shame, you held onto that card about 13 days too long buddy...Prices have plummeted on him about 400%...his regular auto fell from $465 to $100 in the span of 2 weeks

STRIKE WHILE THE IRON'S HOT BRO :flex:

Dunno, he's back in the news since he's getting bought out by Real Madrid in a $100 million+ deal.

[Hdpooh34]

Dunno, he's back in the news since he's getting bought out by Real Madrid in a $100 million+ deal.

Doesn't matter...buyers don't give two sh!ts about Real Madrid...what they care about is the World Cup, watching the dude whose card they just bought playing in a game televised once every 4 years in front of millions of people...and what they were buying is HOPE...hope that Colombia somehow defied the odds and actually won the tournament with James Rodriguez scoring the winning goal...that would transformed the $465 card they overpaid for on POTENTIAL into a $1000 card, and that BLACK PRIZM SUPERFRACTOR into a $10,000 card...

But the point is moot - World Cup is over, Colombia is over, James Rodriguez is over...and buyers don't have the patience to wait another 4 years to watch him play again (again, the only event relevant to buyers is World Cup)...

The chance to strike while the iron was hot ended about 14 days ago and won't come up again for another 4 years (assuming James Rodriguez leads the World Cup in goals again, which may or may not happen)...

[arkeeper]

Doesn't matter...buyers don't give two sh!ts about Real Madrid...what they care about is the World Cup, watching the dude whose card they just bought playing in a game televised once every 4 years in front of millions of people...and what they were buying is HOPE...hope that Colombia somehow defied the odds and actually won the tournament with James Rodriguez scoring the winning goal...that would transformed the $465 card they overpaid for on POTENTIAL into a $1000 card, and that BLACK PRIZM SUPERFRACTOR into a $10,000 card...



But the point is moot - World Cup is over, Colombia is over, James Rodriguez is over...and buyers don't have the patience to wait another 4 years to watch him play again (again, the only event relevant to buyers is World Cup)...



The chance to strike while the iron was hot ended about 14 days ago and won't come up again for another 4 years (assuming James Rodriguez leads the World Cup in goals again, which may or may not happen)...


Base autos were around $300 and are now around $200. Plenty of collectors that are into World Cup will know about Real and he'll be an even bigger star by the next World Cup. His samba 1/1 is over $2k. The card will do fine.

[Hdpooh34]

Base autos were around $300 and are now around $200. Plenty of collectors that are into World Cup will know about Real and he'll be an even bigger star by the next World Cup. His samba 1/1 is over $2k. The card will do fine.

If you're gonna go spouting off at the mouth about a subject, I urge you to at least do some research on eBay in order to sound somewhat competent. James Rodriguez Prizm autos (courtesy of EBAY)
$499 (BIN) July 1
$465 (Auction 35 bids) July 1
$460 (Auction 20 bids) July 1

$167 (Auction 20 bids) July 15
$167 (Auction 24 bids) July 15

Not quite the "pretty much the same price" theory you got going there, slick. That's a 300% decrease in value over 2 weeks any which way you slice it or try to manipulate it. Next time, do some research before you go spouting off at the mouth and think you know what you're talking about. :)!

[Jef]

i think everyone here is familiar with the concept of prospecting and buying/selling "hope."

but i think the world cup prizm sales had a lot less to do with hope than most other sets.

that will be THE James Rodriguez card as he stars for one of the most popular teams in the world playing in one of sports' greatest rivalries (that is going to be bigger than ever in the near future) until the next World Cup. that will matter.

could the card have sold for a few more bucks a few weeks ago? yeah probably.

but i think a lot of the autos will rebound once La Liga and the EPL start back up in earnest. maybe they wont reach their peak values again, but i think a lot of people who bought these cards are just fans who wanted autos for their collections instead of trying to capitalize on quick flips.

i am a liverpool fan so i instantly was ready to pay for gerrard, sturridge, and suarez when the product came out. once the season gets going i may try to add some other cards from this set. as a young breakout star, rodriguez may have had more of a prospecting aspect, but he will go wild for RM.

Add in the fact that for many players the 2014 prizm set will be called RCs, and the Rodriguez will still be huge.

[hairyangryfella]

any repack owners reading this thread need a big hit for your next product? :D



WTH is the point of this post??

To show that you're an idiot and don't sell things at the best time?
To show that you're an idiot and posting a soccer card in a basketball forum thread, where some people didn't even know who Messi was?
To show that you have a nice card, but one most people viewing this thread don't care about?

:rolleyes:

[arkeeper]

If you're gonna go spouting off at the mouth about a subject, I urge you to at least do some research on eBay in order to sound somewhat competent. James Rodriguez Prizm autos (courtesy of EBAY)
$499 (BIN) July 1
$465 (Auction 35 bids) July 1
$460 (Auction 20 bids) July 1

$167 (Auction 20 bids) July 15
$167 (Auction 24 bids) July 15

Not quite the "pretty much the same price" theory you got going there, slick. That's a 300% decrease in value over 2 weeks any which way you slice it or try to manipulate it. Next time, do some research before you go spouting off at the mouth and think you know what you're talking about. :)!

I did plenty of research. Gratz on pulling the 3 top selling and 2 lowest selling. Remind me never to deal with you.

How about:
July 16 - $190
July 16 - $212
July 14 - $217
July 13 - $197
July 13 - $299
July 13 - $231

And then around 25 of them sold beginning of July between $285-$325. Hence "were around $300 and are now around $200". Also, that's a quote from my previous post. Not sure what you were quoting in yours.

[Hdpooh34]

arkeeper and foreverLFC need to go spawn their lovechild in the Soccer Forum where this bullsh!t belongs...

for all we know, they might be the same person trying to gain free advertising for that James Rodriguez card...

they're definitely in cahoots with each other...one thing's for sure, arkeeper doesn't know how to do math, he's convinced himself that $465 and $167 are pretty much the same price LOL...go back to school bro

[arkeeper]

arkeeper and foreverLFC need to go spawn their lovechild in the Soccer Forum where this bullsh!t belongs...

for all we know, they might be the same person trying to gain free advertising for that James Rodriguez card...

they're definitely in cahoots with each other...one thing's for sure, arkeeper doesn't know how to do math, he's convinced himself that $465 and $167 are pretty much the same price LOL...go back to school bro

Ah there it is, was waiting on you to call me 'bro'. *ignore list*

[Chris P]

I think to each their own..if you want to gamble go for it, whether it be to resale or PC, but in my opinion if the main reason you want to to take a shot at this is to hit a "game used" jersey of Lebron or Blake Griffin etc for your pc this is the last venue I would go by. If those jerseys aren't certified by Meigray (the Lebron high school for sure is not, not sure on the Blake) there's always going to be lingering doubt on its authenticity. Grey Flannel and Mears are simply giving their opinions on jerseys and though i'm not saying tons of stuff get passed that's bogus, they do make mistakes. If there was a legit Meigray certified Blake Griffin in these boxes (which retail for $6 grand on their website) then yeah maybe it's worth the shot, but if it's a jersey with Grey Flannel authentication only (which sold for a mere $1,283.00 without the 20% buyers premium) it's not worth the gamble or doubts on if it was actually used by Lebron or anyone

[Bruin7]

No way was that Bob Gibson the worst hit in the box. Whomever was breaking with you had no clue what they're talking about if they all decided you had the worst hit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBQbusk4HD4

Worse hits:
Willie Mays ball
Trout BGS 9/9
Buxton Leaf Draft
Myers Finest
Hank Aaron PSA 5
Vin Scully check

All of those hits lost money, some $200+ on the $300 spot.

I guess it makes sense for Super Break. Worst hit in $300 spot break is $50-60. Worst hit in $725 break is $100-150.

From what I've seen, HOS doesn't go that extreme with the 'bad' hits, maybe you get $120 for a $300 a spot at the worst. Could be wrong.

I beg to differ on HOS. When HOS Baseball Chapter 2 hit I purchased in 8-10 spots in the span of about a month. There were cards that yielded $40 in value that I hit (Ted Williams jersey card #/10 for example) and slots were $485 or so. That's pretty terrible. That's why I haven't tried any of the new HOS Pre-War or Basketball.

[tonedef2oo8]

Thought the same. Shady. So he basically knows what he's sending to each client?

But how is this possible if packed "blindly"? And if packed "blindly" how can they put those stupid voice activation things on the good boxes?

[tolrobb]

Thought the same. Shady. So he basically knows what he's sending to each client?

to be fair, he might have called to tell him that every box has 10 hits so two of them must be packaged together.

[Bruin7]

to be fair, he might have called to tell him that every box has 10 hits so two of them must be packaged together.

Good point. I do think that's probably what happened.

[tonedef2oo8]

to be fair, he might have called to tell him that every box has 10 hits so two of them must be packaged together.

Thats not the problem, the problem is he is sitting there watching the stream, so one could assume he knew full well what was in that box. Do they sit and watch every break? then call with in seconds meaning they have each others phone number in their contacts...

[tonedef2oo8]

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[tolrobb]

Thats not the problem, the problem is he is sitting there watching the stream, so one could assume he knew full well what was in that box. Do they sit and watch every break? then call with in seconds meaning they have each others phone number in their contacts...

Why is it that one can assume that? I watched the break and didn't assume that. I thought it's a new ridiculously expensive product, and he wanted to see customer reaction to the content. could you be right in your assumption? yes. could you be wrong? yes. It's a $7k+ product, it's not like he's checking in on a $100 box here.

[Brobocop]

I still think there could be some funny business going. Every box Chris has opened has had some great hits and at least delivers some great names. I've seen boxes on other channels that have had neither of those. Low numbered prospect autos of players who will probably never see the MLB. Chris is as honest as they come, the people who are somewhat fly by night and start these companies who solely do repack boxes, I'd say the jury is still out on them.

[tonedef2oo8]

Why is it that one can assume that? I watched the break and didn't assume that. I thought it's a new ridiculously expensive product, and he wanted to see customer reaction to the content. could you be right in your assumption? yes. could you be wrong? yes. It's a $7k+ product, it's not like he's checking in on a $100 box here.

He wasn't sitting in and calling in live during on other channels , of course they are the duds. Or was he?

[tolrobb]

He wasn't sitting in and calling in live during on other channels , of course they are the duds. Or was he?

How many of these breaks have even taken place? I saw blowout did one, he might have been there, probably was. He didnt have a reason to call anyone in the other breaks, thus no call. I think you are being overly cynical.

[clipperboy24]

How many of these breaks have even taken place? I saw blowout did one, he might have been there, probably was. He didnt have a reason to call anyone in the other breaks, thus no call. I think you are being overly cynical.

I think it's more the fact that he knew where the missing hit was. It seemed like he had pre selected that box for Chris. To me that was very questionable

[hairyangryfella]

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Mears A5 means NOTHING!! It is literally them saying "yep, looks close enough to be a style match" - there is absolutely no proof about use with that rating. I wish more people were aware of this and not sucked in by it.

[XARZY]

I think it's more the fact that he knew where the missing hit was. It seemed like he had pre selected that box for Chris. To me that was very questionable

If all boxes have specific voice recording then that's how he would know the contents

[Archangel1775]

I thought the first box posted in this thread with the Gwynn gamer was a better one although it included a coupe low numbered prospects.

[XARZY]

I dunno for that kind of money I could buy a car direct from japan, freight it, undock it and STILL have enough for 9 cards + a Jordan auto.

[Archangel1775]

The price point(in group breaks) is coincidently the price of a case of modern Topps product. I'd b tempted to try it once if I could.