How come this card isnt graded a BGS 9?

[Ultimatewarrick]

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxMTY1/z/kcIAAOSwBadTqzwH/$_57.JPG

recently picked this up on ebay and was wondering why it's not a bgs 9? thanks

[AdamMcDermott88]

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxMTY1/z/kcIAAOSwBadTqzwH/$_57.JPG

recently picked this up on ebay and was wondering why it's not a bgs 9? thanks

Check the serial numbering to make sure it is real just in case.

Sometimes Beckett does wacky stuff with grading. But yes the average of those subs is 9.125 which should round down to a 9. I have also seen them round 9, 10, 10, 10 down to 9.5 which makes no sense to me.

[AlabamaSlamma]

Check the serial numbering to make sure it is real just in case.

Sometimes Beckett does wacky stuff with grading. But yes the average of those subs is 9.125 which should round down to a 9. I have also seen them round 9, 10, 10, 10 down to 9.5 which makes no sense to me.

BGS does NOT grade based on subgrade averages. The website says they use an 'algorithm' to determine the final grade, but that's stretching the use of the term 'algorithm.'

click on the 'How Final Grades are Determined' callout at the link below for a full explanation.

Grading FAQ | Beckett.com (http://www.beckett.com/grading/grading_faq)

[Ultimatewarrick]

BGS does NOT grade based on subgrade averages. The website says they use an 'algorithm' to determine the final grade, but that's stretching the use of the term 'algorithm.'

click on the 'How Final Grades are Determined' callout at the link below for a full explanation.

Grading FAQ | Beckett.com (http://www.beckett.com/grading/grading_faq)

so since there are two 8.5's it makes it really hard to get anything above that grade?

[AlabamaSlamma]

so since there are two 8.5's it makes it really hard to get anything above that grade?

correct. in most cases, the highest overall grade the card can receive is 0.5 above the lowest subgrade. However, if there are 2 or more of the same, lowest grades (in your case, 2 8.5s), the card is not eligible for the bump. if your subs were as follows, the overall grade would be a 9:

CE - 10
CO - 8.5
E - 9
S - 9.5

OR

CE - 10
CO - 9
E - 8.5
S - 9.5

hope this helps.

[ajw9356]

BGS does NOT grade based on subgrade averages. The website says they use an 'algorithm' to determine the final grade, but that's stretching the use of the term 'algorithm.'

click on the 'How Final Grades are Determined' callout at the link below for a full explanation.

Grading FAQ | Beckett.com (http://www.beckett.com/grading/grading_faq)
I don't know they explain it great, essentially some grades are weighted heavier than others. You can have a card with 3-10s and a 8.5 on surface and since the other 3 categories are weighted heavier in their algorithm, the final grade would be 9.5. Any other sub is 8.5 and the card would be a 9 i think.
http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i471/ajw9356/Baseball/Albert%20Pujols/PujolseTopps6106503_zpsa1ec2dd6.jpg (http://s1095.photobucket.com/user/ajw9356/media/Baseball/Albert%20Pujols/PujolseTopps6106503_zpsa1ec2dd6.jpg.html)
Example
so since there are two 8.5's it makes it really hard to get anything above that grade?
If you get a card where both the corners and edges are 8.5 the algorithm wont let the final grade be any higher. If one of the 8.5 was surface it may have been upgraded to 9.

[AlabamaSlamma]

I don't know they explain it great, essentially some grades are weighted heavier than others. You can have a card with 3-10s and a 8.5 on surface and since the other 3 categories are weighted heavier in their algorithm, the final grade would be 9.5. Any other sub is 8.5 and the card would be a 9 i think.

also correct. if you get 3 pristine subs and an 8.5, its usually bumped a whole point to 9.5.

[ajw9356]

also correct. if you get 3 pristine subs and an 8.5, its usually bumped a whole point to 9.5.

Only for surface and maybe edges or centering, but I think corners 8.5 automatically drops it. I can't be sure though.

[AlabamaSlamma]

Only for surface and maybe edges or centering, but I think corners 8.5 automatically drops it. I can't be sure though.

ha, I don't think anyone can be sure, even the Beckett graders.

[clipperboy24]

ha, I don't think anyone can be sure, even the Beckett graders.

Lol, probably not. With the corners on that Gervin it would have been a crime to grade it a 9. Heck, if this was 2000 they would have graded it a 7.5. Their headings standards are pretty low now

[ajw9356]

ha, I don't think anyone can be sure, even the Beckett graders.

Ha, I bet you are right. I had a rep try to explain their algorithm once and coming from a strong mathematical background it was almost laughable how much they could explain. I have managed to guess which subs are weighted more and how scores compile to an overall score, but haven't spent the time to confirm what I think.
Anyway, OP unless one of the 8.5 subs would regrade higher, I don't think the overall would increase.

[fullmetal]

It has two 8.5s. Those anchor the grade. The FAQ states that you should look at the lowest subgrade and adjustments are made from there. With two subgrades exhibiting that lowest grade you won't see an increase in overall grade.

I've never heard of the suggestion that the subgrades are ranked. I assumed (maybe incorrectly) that all four were of equal weight.

[mjw9002]

not the best photo, but sub grades are 10 10 9 9 and its a 9.

http://i1347.photobucket.com/albums/p717/michaelwhitten21/others/DSC00473_zps229353ab.jpg (http://s1347.photobucket.com/user/michaelwhitten21/media/others/DSC00473_zps229353ab.jpg.html)

[Pat3ntP3nd1ng]

Straight from Beckett website:


The overall numerical grade is not a simple average of the four report card grades. Beckett Grading Services uses an algorithm which determines the final grade using the 4 sub grades on the front label of the card holder. The lowest overall grade is the first category to observe because it is the most obvious defect, and the lowest grade is the most heavily weighted in determining the overall grade.

Example:

Centering = 9.5
Corners = 9.5
Edges = 9
Surface = 8
Final grade = 8.5
The reason that this card received an 8.5 is that even though the Surface grade was an 8 (the lowest grade overall), the 9.5 grades on Centering and Corners were strong enough to bring it up a full point to reach the 8.5 level.

Another example:

Centering = 9.5
Corners = 9.5
Edges = 8.5
Surface = 9
Final grade = 9
Upon first glance, it may appear that this card should've received a grade different than a 9. The most this card could receive was .5 (or one-half grade) above the lowest sub-grade. The Edges were the lowest in this case, hence, the card received the overall 9 grade. Even though Centering and Corners received grades of 9.5, a key point to remember is that the minimum requirement to receive a grade of Gem Mint is to have at least three grades of 9.5 and the fourth to be no less than a 9.

Also, please note that the final grade rarely, if ever, exceeds two levels above the lowest of the four characteristic grades. For example, if a card has characteristic grades of Centering 10, Corners 6, Edges 10 and Surface 10, the final grade will be a "7" (of which is exactly two grading levels above the lowest characteristic grade).


Here's my personal example:


Centering = 9.5
Corners = 8.5
Edges = 9.5
Surface = 9.5
Final grade = 9
http://i1303.photobucket.com/albums/ag143/lsmith242/ScreenShot2014-07-05at82344AM_zps5c6456ac.png (http://s1303.photobucket.com/user/lsmith242/media/ScreenShot2014-07-05at82344AM_zps5c6456ac.png.html)

[paul06901]

Just a reason for Beckett to never be wrong, and to control population numbers :D

Anyone who doesn't realize what a joke and a sham Beckett is by now, will eventually realize at some point :D

[oldgoldy97]

Just a reason for Beckett to never be wrong, and to control population numbers :D

Anyone who doesn't realize what a joke and a sham Beckett is by now, will eventually realize at some point :D

I thought the amount of business the person sending in the cards does with Beckett is also factored into the equation :eek: