Kobe: Cavs will regret the Wiggins trade...

[XARZY]

Kobe weighed in on the love trade and compares it to when Hornets traded him on draft night. States that cavs will regret it much like hornets now regret never giving kobe a chance.

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[IronMonkey415]

Time to buy up all the Wiggins card.

[spurs50fan]

Perhaps....perhaps not

Is there a Shaq on the T-Wolves squad that will assist in Wiggins growth?

[auctionjmm]

The Hornets regretted that trade because it was Vlade Divac...a respectable player, but one-time All-Star who only averaged a double-double 3 times in his entire career. Vlade was a role player and nothing more.

Kevin Love is already a 3x All-Star, 5x Double-Double, and considered to be a superstar. Even IF Wiggins goes on to have a stellar career, the Cavs won't regret the trade if Kevin Love brings them championships.

It's a stupid comparison Kobe.

[oldgoldy97]

Kobe should talk about how nobody wants to play with him, like Shaq, Dwight and Gasol.

[Amerigo Vespucc]

You cant compare k love to Vlade Divac

[Srt42004n]

But...what if Love does not re-sign and returns to Minnesota after this season...the irony...

[dherm360]

The Lakers might be lucky to win 40 games--he should worry more about his team and less about moves on other teams. Vlad isn't a fair comparison to Love.

If the Cavs win a championship this year and Love leaves--Was it still worth it even if Wiggins becomes a superstar??

[crazygrover]

Kobe never wanted to play for the Hornets. He told them so. That was a big reason they made the trade if my memory is correct.

[oldgoldy97]

Kobe never wanted to play for the Hornets. He told them so. That was a big reason they made the trade if my memory is correct.

That's how I remember it, too.

Kobe is known for his fuzzy memory.

[bigsmooth]

Kobe never wanted to play for the Hornets. He told them so. That was a big reason they made the trade if my memory is correct.


Jerry West has said in many interviews that while he was the GM of the Lakers he proposed a trade to the Hornets for the rights of the 13th pick in exchange for Divac. He then instructed the Hornets to select Kobe Bryant when it was the Hornets turn. This was done on a handshake deal between the 2 GMs as it wasn't approved by the league yet. The Hornets front office later said that Kobe wasn't even on their radar.

So yeah Kobe's memory is indeed a little fuzzy.

[byronscott4ever]

I hope he's right

[Dwade Collector]

Kobe is scared that lebron will tie his ring count :)!

[XARZY]

Kobe is scared that lebron will tie his ring count :)!

He will be scared if Lebron wins 2 more til then wishful thinking

[thepinoymamba]

Kobe is scared that lebron will tie his ring count :)!
I'm now a Lebron Fan since he said I'm coming home.

But he will not tie Kobe's 5 rings.

I see him winning two more till he retires.
4 rings
4 mvps
2 golds
And a Lebronze from 2004

[asujbl]

People care what Kobe thinks when it comes to this deal? Cool

[rats60]

Jerry West has said in many interviews that while he was the GM of the Lakers he proposed a trade to the Hornets for the rights of the 13th pick in exchange for Divac. He then instructed the Hornets to select Kobe Bryant when it was the Hornets turn. This was done on a handshake deal between the 2 GMs as it wasn't approved by the league yet. The Hornets front office later said that Kobe wasn't even on their radar.

So yeah Kobe's memory is indeed a little fuzzy.

Also, Kobe refused to work out for the Hornets. They had no interested in drafting a player who they hadn't scouted was unknown to them.

[Kenflin]

The only real comparisons of Kobe and Wiggins are that they are both guards and were drafted in the first round.

[k13]

The only real comparisons of Kobe and Wiggins are that they are both guards and were drafted in the first round.

Wiggins is not a guard....

[kairi-2008]

Kobe never wanted to play for the Hornets. He told them so. That was a big reason they made the trade if my memory is correct.

I believe The Hornets never picked Kobe, the Lakers told them who to pick and only after it was time.

[patriots]

Kobe needs to worry about either getting healthy or retiring instead of everyone else. It's sad to see him as that former star who's fading but wants to throw out his opinion on everything.

[celtics]

Jerry West has said in many interviews that while he was the GM of the Lakers he proposed a trade to the Hornets for the rights of the 13th pick in exchange for Divac. He then instructed the Hornets to select Kobe Bryant when it was the Hornets turn. This was done on a handshake deal between the 2 GMs as it wasn't approved by the league yet. The Hornets front office later said that Kobe wasn't even on their radar.

So yeah Kobe's memory is indeed a little fuzzy.

I always heard kobe demanded a trade and wouldn't play for the hornets.

[JMarchand1981]

The only real comparisons of Kobe and Wiggins are that they are both short, white and were drafted in the first round. They both were primarily raised outside of the United States.

Wiggins is not a guard....

Big score on the bolded part.

Let me fix the prior post.

[440shane]

I always heard kobe demanded a trade and wouldn't play for the hornets.

This. Kobe and his agent let it be known that they really preferred a big market like LA. So for him to now give the impression that Charlotte could have kept him but didn't, isn't fair to any of those involved in the drafting and trade.

[Zeusophobia]

Perhaps....perhaps not

Is there a Shaq on the T-Wolves squad that will assist in Wiggins growth?

Thank god someone brought this up, I'm tired of people saying "All Shaqs rings are from Kobe and Wade". Where I live it's like their is a whole Shaq hating army.

Bottom line is, the guy has more double doubles than damn near anyone to ever play. That is not a bad player.

Also, the fact that he sucked at free throws and STILL was regarded so highly shows how good he was in other areas.

[johncaso]

Thank god someone brought this up, I'm tired of people saying "All Shaqs rings are from Kobe and Wade". Where I live it's like their is a whole Shaq hating army.

Bottom line is, the guy has more double doubles than damn near anyone to ever play. That is not a bad player.

Also, the fact that he sucked at free throws and STILL was regarded so highly shows how good he was in other areas.

I don't know how anyone could say shaqs rings are from Kobe when he won all three MVP finals and was an absolute beast in all those finals. If anything it's the other way around

[CandyMan23]

This. Kobe and his agent let it be known that they really preferred a big market like LA. So for him to now give the impression that Charlotte could have kept him but didn't, isn't fair to any of those involved in the drafting and trade.

Do you have a source or link to a story? I love how you just wrote that like you knew for a fact that that's what happened.

[CandyMan23]

I don't know how anyone could say shaqs rings are from Kobe when he won all three MVP finals and was an absolute beast in all those finals. If anything it's the other way around

One couldn't win without the other. The Lakers needed both of their all-stars to win. This is usually an argument that Kobe haters love going to in some way to discredit Kobe's ring count/greatness.

[Zeusophobia]

One couldn't win without the other. The Lakers needed both of their all-stars to win. This is usually an argument that Kobe haters love going to in some way to discredit Kobe's ring count/greatness.

I'm not a Kobe hater. I love finding his cards in a pack and then immediately selling them on ebay for a ton of money without letting them anywhere near the cards I actually like. :devil:

My favorite Kobe play has always been the one where he signs his name on a card.

[asujbl]

This thread actually lasted longer than I thought before it just became about Kobe. Kudos Blowout.

[CandyMan23]

This thread actually lasted longer than I thought before it just became about Kobe. Kudos Blowout.

It became about Kobe within the first couple of posts.

[nastynice]

I think he's more referring to thinking that Wiggins is gonna be a star for many years to come, rather than saying anything bad about Love.

I don't know too much about Wiggins, but if he looks to be a franchise type player, I think they'll regret the trade too. We'll see tho, hopefully Cleveland can get some rings, it won't really sting then

[johncaso]

One couldn't win without the other. The Lakers needed both of their all-stars to win. This is usually an argument that Kobe haters love going to in some way to discredit Kobe's ring count/greatness.

oh no i absolutely agree they both needed each other, its hard for one player alone to win a ring. i wasn't trying to hate on kobe

[minnesotachill]

Sounds like a dumb question, but looking back on this, do you guys think Kobe would make a good GM in the NBA.

He seems to have a lot of insight to know what it takes to be a great player in the league.

[hairyharold]

Calipari who was coaching the Nets at the time, would've DEFINITELY taken Kobe instead of Kittles, but didn't because Kobe was going to force his way out.

[jcardstore]

Talk about grave digging... Why not just start a new thread instead of reviving this year old one

[elee712]

I thought Kobe forced the trade, no?

[Orangejello727]

I thought Kobe forced the trade, no?

I still think it was Jerry West that made it all happen

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[TBarn291]

Didn't everyone know this already? Thanks for pointing out the obvious Kobe lol.


Oh, old thread.

[DigitalTurk]

Assuming cavs don't win a title with k love
Then this was a dumb trade.

[asujbl]

Assuming cavs don't win a title with k love
Then this was a dumb trade.

Which will make this a fun thread to bump in 2020

[jcardstore]

Which will make this a fun thread to bump in 2020

When Love has 3 rings and Wiggins has none.... LOL

[dasiegel]

This was a good trade for both teams. Lebron needed to win now and needs more knockdown shooting, Twolves get the chance to be title Contenders after the finish the rebuild in another 3-4 years.

[Brobocop]

Oh no, not this subject again.

[EricMetcalf21]

It will be a good trade for the Cavs if they win 2 rings . Getting to the finals in the east can be done by Lebron and a decent teams around him . If they don't win rings then it's a horrific trade .

[xavieronly1]

It will be a good trade for the Cavs if they win 2 rings . Getting to the finals in the east can be done by Lebron and a decent teams around him . If they don't win rings then it's a horrific trade .

This is a good trade already because Lebron is still playing for the Cavs. Without this trade, you wouldn't see Lebron coming back to Cleveland.

Your statement is correct. Lebron can bring any Eastern team to the NBA Finals, but Lebron would not select to play with Kyrie/Wiggins.

[asujbl]

This is a good trade already because Lebron is still playing for the Cavs. Without this trade, you wouldn't see Lebron coming back to Cleveland.

Your statement is correct. Lebron can bring any Eastern team to the NBA Finals, but Lebron would not select to play with Kyrie/Wiggins.

Yep.

Not to beat a dead horse, because we've done it in 1000 threads, but you're either choosing

A - LeBron, Love, and Kyrie + Bench
B - Wiggins, Kyrie, and Waiters + Bench (as you're not trading Waiters and the subsequent Mozgov/Smith/Shumpert deals and how that all went together without LeBron on the team)

Wiggins is fun to watch. He's good for the NBA

As I stated in multiple threads, as a Cavs fan, my caring what Wiggins does went away the minute Love signed the 5 year deal. When Love was a potential 1 and done? That's when I worried about how good Wiggins might be.

Now? Good luck to Minnesota. Maybe we'll see you in the Finals some year.

[xavieronly1]

Yep.

Not to beat a dead horse, because we've done it in 1000 threads, but you're either choosing

A - LeBron, Love, and Kyrie + Bench
B - Wiggins, Kyrie, and Waiters + Bench (as you're not trading Waiters and the subsequent Mozgov/Smith/Shumpert deals and how that all went together without LeBron on the team)

Wiggins is fun to watch. He's good for the NBA

As I stated in multiple threads, as a Cavs fan, my caring what Wiggins does went away the minute Love signed the 5 year deal. When Love was a potential 1 and done? That's when I worried about how good Wiggins might be.

Now? Good luck to Minnesota. Maybe we'll see you in the Finals some year.

For choice B, you forgot your man Anthony Bennett.

[Brobocop]

It will be a good trade for the Cavs if they win 2 rings . Getting to the finals in the east can be done by Lebron and a decent teams around him . If they don't win rings then it's a horrific trade .

Winning one ring in Cleveland is equal to most any other team winning 1,000 rings. The city is so used to losing that I'm not sure they even know how to handle winning.

[asujbl]

For choice B, you forgot your man Anthony Bennett.

Haha I almost put him in there as well - but I figured I'd stay with the "Big 3" theme.

[TBarn291]

When Love has 3 rings and Wiggins has none.... LOL


That wouldn't really prove anything one way or the other in regards to how many they might have won with Wiggins. We can only speculate what might have been. Personally I don't think Love makes or breaks this team. A fully healthy roster with Wiggins instead of Love is still a Championship team imo.

[bmf]

Kobe is scared that lebron will tie his ring count :)!

At the rate LeBron is going, he'd have to make 15 Finals to tie Kobe in rings.

[pingbling23]

At the rate LeBron is going, he'd have to make 15 Finals to tie Kobe in rings.

the 15 finals will probably happen at this rate lol. to bad lebron couldnt have been given a silver spoon in his mouth in L.A. with the greatest coach in history and got to ride on shaq's coattails. lebron will probably surpass kobe in finals mvps though. should have last year but it was cool to see iggy get it.

[rookies]

Lebron wanted wiggins. Wiggins didnt want to sign with lebrons agaent and lebron was pissed about that so he traded him. Windhorst has stated and wrote that a few times. NO you cant say the deal was good The cavs have varejao, TT, Moz, and do not need frontcourt I think a defense with wiggins guarding the best PG or SG and lebron Guarding best SF or PF with TT and varejao is amazing. Wiggins doesnt need ball to score. Wiggins huge ceiling. Love wont be the reason Cavs win a ring if they do.

[asujbl]

Lebron wanted wiggins. Wiggins didnt want to sign with lebrons agaent and lebron was pissed about that so he traded him. Windhorst has stated and wrote that a few times. NO you cant say the deal was good The cavs have varejao, TT, Moz, and do not need frontcourt I think a defense with wiggins guarding the best PG or SG and lebron Guarding best SF or PF with TT and varejao is amazing. Wiggins doesnt need ball to score. Wiggins huge ceiling. Love wont be the reason Cavs win a ring if they do.

Says the T Wolves fan

Windhorst is usually more wrong then right. He's still waiting on that Thompson hold out he said was happening into the season.

Wait.

[cp3fan]

I honestly felt that both teams got what they wanted in the trade. Minnesota got a potential superstar to build with and Cleveland got a piece to win now so I think both teams will end up being happy with the trade.

[bdoody42]

the 15 finals will probably happen at this rate lol. to bad lebron couldnt have been given a silver spoon in his mouth in L.A. with the greatest coach in history and got to ride on shaq's coattails. lebron will probably surpass kobe in finals mvps though. should have last year but it was cool to see iggy get it.

Very valid points about Kobe. Lebron has also taken the easy way to getting his rings and making the finals last year. Some superstars like to stack the deck in their favor.

[Orangejello727]

Lebron formed a super team of his picking and still couldn't buy himself enough rings to pass Kobe . A silver spoon couldn't even get Lebron a ring. Maybe we should give him a few to appease his fans! Take as many as you need lol

[Wolves4Life]

Lebron formed a super team of his picking and still couldn't buy himself enough rings to pass Kobe . A silver spoon couldn't even get Lebron a ring. Maybe we should give him a few to appease his fans! Take as many as you need lol

Does Kobe get the rings without Shaq and a trade that should have been vetoed in the deal for Pau? If it wasn't a big market team it would have been vetoed.

[Orangejello727]

Does Kobe get the rings without Shaq and a trade that should have been vetoed in the deal for Pau? If it wasn't a big market team it would have been vetoed.

So many woulda coulda shoulda. You can say that for every single team in the history of the NBA. You think Shaq gets any rings without kobe? You think Lebron gets anything without wade? You think MJ gets anything without pippen?

We can keep going....

The facts are the players have their ships. Deal with it. None of this..."well if.... such and such, then it would be different"

[bmf]

the 15 finals will probably happen at this rate lol.

That must be the new math all the kids are raving about.

[rookies]

Says the T Wolves fan

Windhorst is usually more wrong then right. He's still waiting on that Thompson hold out he said was happening into the season.

Wait.

Windhorst is the most credable cavs guy he has covered lebron the longest and has his way with stories. I just think Wiggins with lebron would have been awesome. Kevin love needs the ball to score Wiggins doesnt and I think his athletisicm would have been great with lebron. Kyrie isn't the greatest player in fastbreaks And I think a wiggins lebron fast break is amazing. I just dont see a time when the Cavs will play a meaningful game and youll say wow K love they really needed him. The diffrence in him and those other bigs isnt so crazy but Wiggins is a huge upgrade over JR or Iman. Just my opinion.

[groundsupport]

the 15 finals will probably happen at this rate lol. to bad lebron couldnt have been given a silver spoon in his mouth in L.A. with the greatest coach in history and got to ride on shaq's coattails. lebron will probably surpass kobe in finals mvps though. should have last year but it was cool to see iggy get it.

I guess you forgot about the (3) NBA Finals Kobe went to without SHAQ.

Cool Story Bro.

[GC1980]

Does Kobe get the rings without Shaq and a trade that should have been vetoed in the deal for Pau? If it wasn't a big market team it would have been vetoed.

Why should the Pau trade have been vetoed? They ended up with Marc Gasol from that who turned out to be their franchise player. Might have seemed lopsided at the time but clearly griz scouts and GMs did their homework and knew more than the casual fan.

[jcardstore]

Windhorst is the most credable cavs guy he has covered lebron the longest and has his way with stories. I just think Wiggins with lebron would have been awesome. Kevin love needs the ball to score Wiggins doesnt and I think his athletisicm would have been great with lebron. Kyrie isn't the greatest player in fastbreaks And I think a wiggins lebron fast break is amazing. I just dont see a time when the Cavs will play a meaningful game and youll say wow K love they really needed him. The diffrence in him and those other bigs isnt so crazy but Wiggins is a huge upgrade over JR or Iman. Just my opinion.

So... please explain to me exactly how one would score without the ball?

I was thinking maybe offensive rebound putbacks or tip dunks or something but you still need the ball to do that.

Maybe your knowledge and understanding of the game is on another level and I just can't grasp the concepts you're referring to.

[bmf]

I guess you forgot about the (3) NBA Finals Kobe went to without SHAQ.

Cool Story Bro.

lol true. not to mention lebron's team hopping in search of easy rings. but hey, he can't do basic math, so not sure it's fair to expect much from him.

[Ottomatic]

My favorite thing about Kobe is when you look at the Basketball reference page and look at the Lakers' titles Kobe never has the most win shares on a Lakers title winning team. Shaq and Pau were always more productive in the title winning years (by a pretty large margin) Kobe was great, but he played in better teams than Lebron and Jordan.

People also forget how good Andrew Bynum was for those runs. Bynum-Gasol-Kobe was on par with the Miami big 3 and they had amazing role players like Odom/Ariza/Artest. Those teams were loaded. But fans always tend to prefer scoring numbers, that's why some people think guys like Carmelo and Lillard are stars, shoot more = more respect, the mystique of Kobe Bryant.

[groundsupport]

lol true. not to mention lebron's team hopping in search of easy rings. but hey, he can't do basic math, so not sure it's fair to expect much from him.

Don't you dare bring up the (2) Big 3 teams that Lebron built.

[jcardstore]

lol true. not to mention lebron's team hopping in search of easy rings. but hey, he can't do basic math, so not sure it's fair to expect much from him.

Team hopping for an easy ring? Get out of here bro, he's been on 2 teams in his career and he left Cleveland the first time because they couldn't put any talent around him.

[groundsupport]

Team hopping for an easy ring? Get out of here bro, he's been on 2 teams in his career and he left Cleveland the first time because they couldn't put any talent around him.


Do you just ignore the fact he has been to 5 straight finals because of teams he built?

Let me guess. He had nothing to do with getting Kevin Love to come to Cleveland?

[Orangejello727]

Is that always the case....

Lebron wins a ring = he did it himself and no such thing as a team effort. NBA is not a team game its a Lebron game.

Lebron doesn't win a ring = They didn't put any talent around him. How do you expect to win a ring when you don't have a team?

Here take a couple and give them to LeBron if that makes you happy.
http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv315/zacceingram30/LakersCHampionshipRings.jpg

[groundsupport]

Is that always the case....

Lebron wins a ring = he did it himself and no such thing as a team effort. NBA is not a team game its a Lebron game.

Lebron doesn't win a ring = They didn't put any talent around him. How do you expect to win a ring when you don't have a team?

Here take a couple and give them to LeBron if that makes you happy.
http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv315/zacceingram30/LakersCHampionshipRings.jpg

Don't you ever bring up that disappearing act he did in the finals. It was almost as if he was throwing the finals. He was that bad.

[Orangejello727]

Don't you ever bring up that disappearing act he did in the finals. It was almost as if he was throwing the finals. He was that bad.

I think Lebron is a great player. One of the best. You don't need a ring or rings to claim a spot amongst the elite. I also don't think you need MVPs or any "Voted" awards to claim greatness as they are biased.

The comparisons are getting silly. Why cant they all be good players? Elite players? Best at the game. Why does it always have to be a ranker? To justify what? That my favorite player is better than yours?

The best way to debate is to always focus on the player achievements. Not on excuses. All of these debates all focus on what ifs why a player relied on another player ..such and such. Its all getting old.

Why cant Kobe and Lebron be the best? Why does it have to be onlyl 1?

[jcardstore]

Do you just ignore the fact he has been to 5 straight finals because of teams he built?

Let me guess. He had nothing to do with getting Kevin Love to come to Cleveland?

What does this have to do with what I said? Lmao you're trying to force an argument when I actually agree with you.

He had everything to do with getting Love to Cleveland, he's basically the GM. The organization doesn't do anything without consulting LeBron first.

Is that always the case....

Lebron wins a ring = he did it himself and no such thing as a team effort. NBA is not a team game its a Lebron game.

Lebron doesn't win a ring = They didn't put any talent around him. How do you expect to win a ring when you don't have a team?

Here take a couple and give them to LeBron if that makes you happy.
http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv315/zacceingram30/LakersCHampionshipRings.jpg

Anybody who says this is a fool, LeBron did not win any of the titles in Miami by himself and he definitely didn't lose because he didn't have talent around him, with the exception of 07.

He left the Cavs for Miami because the organization could not put talent around him. When the best free agent you can sign in 7 years is Larry Hughes you have a serious problem. If I was LeBron I would have left for Miami too.

[NBAFAN]

Don't you dare bring up the (2) Big 3 teams that Lebron built.

Pipe down. Too many Lebron haters here. Most of you guys don't know NBA that well. You guys just use the same surface arguments against Lebron. Some of you guys are those commentors in Yahoo comments who just post crap about Lebron. Lebron didn't have much help vs the Spurs and GSW.

I know GroundSupport is one of the biggest Lebron haters. He has posted crap about him many times. If you expected Lebron to win with his support in his last year with Heat and vs GSW you are delusional.

[NBAFAN]

So many woulda coulda shoulda. You can say that for every single team in the history of the NBA. You think Shaq gets any rings without kobe? You think Lebron gets anything without wade? You think MJ gets anything without pippen?

We can keep going....

The facts are the players have their ships. Deal with it. None of this..."well if.... such and such, then it would be different"

You are a kobe fan, look at your ebay name. Tell me how Kobe is doing right now, the past few years. If Kobe was so great, he can't even make the playoffs. I guarantee you Lebron will never have a stretch that bad.

[groundsupport]

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[jcardstore]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/72/ed/0a/72ed0a9933fb351a31f6956337ff3110.jpg

So you've obviously never played sports of any kind or else you would understand how debilitating cramps can be. Playing 2K doesn't count

[NBAFAN]

What makes you different from those commentors who post crap about Lebron in Yahoo comments under the Cavs box score?









Nothing. Those haters don't know anything about sports, even random girls know more about sports that those guys. Stop watching sports and pretend to know what is going on!

[groundsupport]

So you've obviously never played sports of any kind or else you would understand how debilitating cramps can be. Playing 2K doesn't count

Calm down sally. It's a meme.

[alanlam]

You are a kobe fan, look at your ebay name. Tell me how Kobe is doing right now, the past few years. If Kobe was so great, he can't even make the playoffs. I guarantee you Lebron will never have a stretch that bad.

I'm far from a Kobe fanboy, but its sad that some of you will only remember these last few years.

Is Jordan not "great" because he couldn't take the Wizards to the playoffs? What about the bum Larry Bird when his back was destroyed? Magic Johnson? Shaq? Olajuwon? Was Garnett not great because the T'Wolves probably won't make the playoffs this year?

LeBron will never have to deal with that stuff. He won't get injured and he absolutely will not age. You guarantee it!

[DajuanWagner]

I'm far from a Kobe fanboy, but its sad that some of you will only remember these last few years.

Is Jordan not "great" because he couldn't take the Wizards to the playoffs? What about the bum Larry Bird when his back was destroyed? Magic Johnson? Shaq? Olajuwon? Was Garnett not great because the T'Wolves probably won't make the playoffs this year?

LeBron will never have to deal with that stuff. He won't get injured and he absolutely will not age. You guarantee it!



Great comparison. Kobe will be remembered today for playing beyond his expiration date, but as time passes, Kobe will be remembered for being the Mamba and no one will remember him playing past his shelf life.........

[groundsupport]

I'm far from a Kobe fanboy, but its sad that some of you will only remember these last few years.

Is Jordan not "great" because he couldn't take the Wizards to the playoffs? What about the bum Larry Bird when his back was destroyed? Magic Johnson? Shaq? Olajuwon? Was Garnett not great because the T'Wolves probably won't make the playoffs this year?

LeBron will never have to deal with that stuff. He won't get injured and he absolutely will not age. You guarantee it!

You obviously never played or watched sports before. :coffee:

[rookies]

So... please explain to me exactly how one would score without the ball?

I was thinking maybe offensive rebound putbacks or tip dunks or something but you still need the ball to do that.

Maybe your knowledge and understanding of the game is on another level and I just can't grasp the concepts you're referring to.

Well I take it you have never played basketball before or watched these two guys play. Kevin lvoe needs the ball thrown into him in the post or set up for 3 otherwise he is out on the court not scoring and playing really terrible defense. Wiggins scores from just running around getting cuts to the hoop, put backs, steal and breakaway dunk, he has many more ways to score because of being so much more athletic he doesnt need lebron to feed him the ball. Also Wiggins guards the best player so lebron wouldnt have to thats HUGE in playoffs. I just think wiggins would be a great cav thats all!

[Orangejello727]

You are a kobe fan, look at your ebay name. Tell me how Kobe is doing right now, the past few years. If Kobe was so great, he can't even make the playoffs. I guarantee you Lebron will never have a stretch that bad.

What does me being a Kobe fan have to do with Lebron losing in the playoffs so many times and not getting a ring then blaming it on his team? Absolutely nothing.

The real question you have to ask yourself is if kobe is as bad as you say he is and still have more rings than Lebron, then where does it put LeBron? I mean its you that's contending bad stretches right?

[Orangejello727]

So you've obviously never played sports of any kind or else you would understand how debilitating cramps can be. Playing 2K doesn't count

So a cramp is worse than a torn Achilles? Thanks for letting us know. You would get respect as a Lebron fan if you actually used Lebrons positive attributes to prop him rather than putting down players like kobe to prop your main man.

[groundsupport]

So a cramp is worse than a torn Achilles? Thanks for letting us know. You would get respect as a Lebron fan if you actually used Lebrons positive attributes to prop him rather than putting down players like kobe to prop your main man.

Obviously cramps are more painful.

Did you see Lebron's face?

[Archangel1775]

You are a kobe fan, look at your ebay name. Tell me how Kobe is doing right now, the past few years. If Kobe was so great, he can't even make the playoffs. I guarantee you Lebron will never have a stretch that bad.

I'm no Kobe fan but you are looking at players that are at different points in their career. Looking at their body types, I'd bet that LeBron doesn't play as long, in career years, as Kobe does. But to guarantee a player isn't going to have a season ending injury is a stretch.

[xavieronly1]

Obviously cramps are more painful.

Did you see Lebron's face?

I agree. Dead person looks very peaceful.

[NBAFAN]

Once Kobe doesn't have a strong team around him he can't do anything though. He needed Pau/Bynum and whoever in order to win rings. As great as Kobe is, he could not do it himself. One flaw is that Kobe is not really an efficiency player. In the finals he won he shot really poorly from the field, he was only able to get away because his team helped a lot.

Kobe has been boom or bust in his career. When Kobe doesn't have elite support he is bust. It just looks bad when you can't even make the playoffs. Kobe could not have won vs the Spurs and GSW in his prime because he does have limitations. All you needed was Kawhi to lock on Kobe and you ain't beating GSW playing hero ball like Kobe did especially if his team loses two of their best players.

[groundsupport]

Once Kobe doesn't have a strong team around him he can't do anything though. He needed Pau/Bynum and whoever in order to win rings. As great as Kobe is, he could not do it himself. One flaw is that Kobe is not really an efficiency player. In the finals he won he shot really poorly from the field, he was only able to get away because his team helped a lot.

Kobe has been boom or bust in his career. When Kobe doesn't have elite support he is bust. It just looks bad when you can't even make the playoffs. It shows that Kobe needs legit support in order to win.

Says the Lebron fan.

[Archangel1775]

Once Kobe doesn't have a strong team around him he can't do anything though. He needed Pau/Bynum and whoever in order to win rings. As great as Kobe is, he could not do it himself. One flaw is that Kobe is not really an efficiency player. In the finals he won he shot really poorly from the field, he was only able to get away because his team helped a lot.

Kobe has been boom or bust in his career. When Kobe doesn't have elite support he is bust. It just looks bad when you can't even make the playoffs. Kobe could not have won vs the Spurs and GSW in his prime because he does have limitations. All you needed was Kawhi to lock on Kobe and you ain't beating GSW playing hero ball like Kobe did especially if his team loses two of their best players.

You can see it like that. One comparison I like to make is players like Dwayne Wade for instance, he couldn't win a championship without LeBron or Bosh, oh wait....

[Orangejello727]

Once Kobe doesn't have a strong team around him he can't do anything though. He needed Pau/Bynum and whoever in order to win rings. As great as Kobe is, he could not do it himself. One flaw is that Kobe is not really an efficiency player. In the finals he won he shot really poorly from the field, he was only able to get away because his team helped a lot.

Kobe has been boom or bust in his career. When Kobe doesn't have elite support he is bust. It just looks bad when you can't even make the playoffs. Kobe could not have won vs the Spurs and GSW in his prime because he does have limitations. All you needed was Kawhi to lock on Kobe and you ain't beating GSW playing hero ball like Kobe did especially if his team loses two of their best players.

That story is played out the same for every single player in the NBA.

As great as Kobe is, he could not do it himself

Replace kobe with MJ, Lebron, Curry, Magic or who ever else you want... it leads to the same thing. None of them can do it themselves.

I just find it funny that Bynum is being thrown around with the word "elite talent" lol.

[groundsupport]

That story is played out the same for every single player in the NBA.



Replace kobe with MJ, Lebron, Curry, Magic or who ever else you want... it leads to the same thing. None of them can do it themselves.

I just find it funny that Bynum is being thrown around with the word "elite talent" lol.

The Big Z was absolutely terrible you know. Bynum owned him all day everyday.

[NBAFAN]

That story is played out the same for every single player in the NBA.



Replace kobe with MJ, Lebron, Curry, Magic or who ever else you want... it leads to the same thing. None of them can do it themselves.

I just find it funny that Bynum is being thrown around with the word "elite talent" lol.


Yes everyone needs legit help to win unless for some reason they had an easy path where the teams they play against in the playoffs and finals are not that strong.

Kobe as a player has limitations. You can game plan Kobe if you have a strong team like the Spurs. You know Kobe will shoot 25 times and will force shots and ball hog if you will. A team like Spurs all they have to do is put Kawhi on Kobe and it will not work because Kobe will shoot like low 40's at best while stagnating the team offense and flow.

Playing sub efficiency basketball doesn't work against great teams. Kobe ideally needs another strong option or two like Shaq and Pau in order to take pressure off himself when he does this. You also need another guy or two to contribute or make up for Kobe's inefficency. You see how bad Kobe is towards the later part of his career doing the same style with lesser teammates.

[MiracleSports]

You are a kobe fan, look at your ebay name. Tell me how Kobe is doing right now, the past few years. If Kobe was so great, he can't even make the playoffs. I guarantee you Lebron will never have a stretch that bad.

This comment has just taken stupidity to another level. You're basically comparing an elite player in his prime with someone in the twightlight of his career who just went through 2 major season ending injuries. I get it, you're on the LeBron bandwagon and you don't seem to like Kobe's game or appreciate what he has done for the game of basketball either. But drawing a line of comparison from 2 completely different & unique players playing in different stages of their careers is just outright idiocy. Who are you to guarantee and envision a player's progression as he continues down his career path??? Boy that crystal ball of yours must be some state of the art technology lol...