Everyone's Favorite Bigot Hypocrite Won't Say "Redskins", Nor Will Simms

[The Card Album]

Tony Dungy has decided that it's perfectly fine for him to campaign for the oppression of an entire biological group of people, but has decided that saying "Washington Redskins" is where he draws the line.

Phil Simms has also decided to not say the R word.

I believe that makes them the first two to exercise the option to not say "Redskins" that networks are giving their analysts.

[rttrffg2012]

Tony Dungy has decided that it's perfectly fine for him to campaign for the oppression of an entire biological group of people, but has decided that saying "Washington Redskins" is where he draws the line.

Phil Simms has also decided to not say the R word.

I believe that makes them the first two to exercise the option to not say "Redskins" that networks are giving their analysts.


He wasn't campaigning against a group of people.
He said he wouldn't draft Michael Sam because of the media attention/distractions.
He later said his combine results didn't warrant a draft pick... Which they were poor.


I do think he is a phony though. This boycott the word redskin is just to seem as a sympathetic figure. Total BS

[The Card Album]

He wasn't campaigning against a group of people.
He said he wouldn't draft Michael Sam because of the media attention/distractions.
He later said his combine results didn't warrant a draft pick... Which they were poor.


I do think he is a phony though. This boycott the word redskin is just to seem as a sympathetic figure. Total BS

I'm not referencing his Michael Sam comments.

Dungy actively supports the denial of and campaigns against LGBT equal rights. He gives his money, time, and voice for anti-gay agendas.

[Greenfuzz]

Bleacher Report isn't using the name anymore.

[pico04]

Here is an article about it: https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/phil-simms--tony-dungy-unlikely-to-use--redskins--during-broadcasts-021749496.html

I dont blame them, and even if Dungy does campaign against the LGBT which I am not sure he does it doesnt mean that him not wanting to say The R Word wrong.

They will either choose to change the name or be forced, it will happen and soon I think.

[ram29jackson]

Here is an article about it: https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/phil-simms--tony-dungy-unlikely-to-use--redskins--during-broadcasts-021749496.html

I dont blame them, and even if Dungy does campaign against the LGBT which I am not sure he does it doesnt mean that him not wanting to say The R Word wrong.

They will either choose to change the name or be forced, it will happen and soon I think.

it will never happen.

[corndog]

I'm not referencing his Michael Sam comments.

Dungy actively supports the denial of and campaigns against LGBT equal rights. He gives his money, time, and voice for anti-gay agendas.

What's the problem?
That is his belief.
You don't agree? That is your belief.

[superynaldo]

REDSKINS, REDSKINS, REDSKINS, there, I said it... moving on...

[atoaz12]

Tony Dungy has decided that it's perfectly fine for him to campaign for the oppression of an entire biological group of people, but has decided that saying "Washington Redskins" is where he draws the line.

Phil Simms has also decided to not say the R word.

I believe that makes them the first two to exercise the option to not say "Redskins" that networks are giving their analysts.


Prove it :)!

[Superman24742]

Prove it :)!

Lol thank you

[Qwasian]

whats next they boycott vikings because they were savages? lol raiders? titans? cowboys? buccaneers? chiefs?

[addicted36]

Efff tony dungy, he should go oppress some more homosexuals since that is his thing. What a joke this man became once he started opening his mouth

[free2131]

Prove it :)!

How our genes could make us gay or straight - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/06/04/the-science-of-sexuality-how-our-genes-make-us-gay-or-straight/)

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[wheeler281]

Tony Dungy has decided that it's perfectly fine for him to campaign for the oppression of an entire biological group of people, but has decided that saying "Washington Redskins" is where he draws the line.

Phil Simms has also decided to not say the R word.

I believe that makes them the first two to exercise the option to not say "Redskins" that networks are giving their analysts.

Not shocked about Dungy. He is trying to mend his PR after his Sam comments. Simms is a clown and makes Gruden sound like a HOF broadcaster



REDSKINS, REDSKINS, REDSKINS, there, I said it... moving on...

LOL .............

I am a white Northerner and I think the Yankees should change their name j/k

It is refreshing to see Dan Snyder put his foot down instead of cowering to some of the main stream media

[indyguy]

How our genes could make us gay or straight - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/06/04/the-science-of-sexuality-how-our-genes-make-us-gay-or-straight/)

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Don't really care either way, but to site an article that states "could" in the title doesn't really help that claim. Genes could do a lot of things that we don't know.

[atoaz12]

How our genes could make us gay or straight - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/06/04/the-science-of-sexuality-how-our-genes-make-us-gay-or-straight/)

9zno8e4R6gA

Not 1 minute in...

'We don't know what or where these genes are, or exactly how they work, but there is evidence that they exist'

Ummm... if you don't know what or where they are or how they work, what is the evidence they exist??

Now let the scientific backpedaling begin...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/10637532/Being-homosexual-is-only-partly-due-to-gay-gene-research-finds.html

[atoaz12]

Don't really care either way, but to site an article that states "could" in the title doesn't really help that claim. Genes could do a lot of things that we don't know.

Beat me to it :)!

[IndySportsCards]

I'm no longer calling him Tony Dungy, as Dungy sounds dirty and insulting to dirty people. It also could imply a love of running a dungeon, which I'm not accusing him of, but it could be a hobby of his, who knows, but until we know for sure, I shall refrain from calling him Dungy, and just call him the Sensitive T-Man.

It makes as much sense to me as not calling the Redskins by name due to the complaints of a vocal minority. We have lost our minds in this society. We're a nation of wimps.

I know that's insensitive to wimps, sorry. Sue me.

[Cades]

Efff tony dungy, he should go oppress some more homosexuals since that is his thing. What a joke this man became once he started opening his mouth

This whole redskins name thing has been a joke as well, so dumb. How long have they had that name? And now all of a sudden its a problem?

With plenty of other teams having names about a group of people

[indyguy]

I'm no longer calling him Tony Dungy, as Dungy sounds dirty and insulting to dirty people. It also could imply a love of running a dungeon, which I'm not accusing him of, but it could be a hobby of his, who knows, but until we know for sure, I shall refrain from calling him Dungy, and just call him the Sensitive T-Man.

It makes as much sense to me as not calling the Redskins by name due to the complaints of a vocal minority. We have lost our minds in this society. We're a nation of wimps.

I know that's insensitive to wimps, sorry. Sue me.

I'd take offense to that, but I'm too wimpy to do anything about it.

Better call Saul...

[addicted36]

This whole redskins name thing has been a joke as well, so dumb. How long have they had that name? And now all of a sudden its a problem?

With plenty of other teams having names about a group of people

They have had it since the 1930s and they got the name from a Native American sports team that existed before 1910. it wasnt original, and today after all of the backlash and media attention today there are more then 60 Native American sports teams called the Redskins. Some of those Native American teams even voted to keep the name Redskins recently but where is the media stories or voice for that? Truth is its spitting in those peoples faces saying they dont know any better.

Why do these people only push on us their viewpoints and ignore that? They give a voice only to the side they support and arent helping anyone but themselves. Its sleezy and shows how the veils are still hiding the truth about things today.

Its like covering the riots in Missouri today, why isnt anyone talking about the reason those people are being arrested and what they want? all the news covers is what they are doing to shut those people up. The people demanding the team change the name only want to shut up the supporters and control the message coming out instead of listening to both sides and gving them an equal voice. And this was supposed to be about equality....maddness

[crac0018]

They have had it since the 1930s and they got the name from a Native American sports team that existed before 1910. it wasnt original, and today after all of the backlash and media attention today there are more then 60 Native American sports teams called the Redskins. Some of those Native American teams even voted to keep the name Redskins recently but where is the voice for that? Why do these people only push on us their viewpoints and ignore that? They give a voice only to the side they support and arent helping anyone but themselves. Its sleezy

I have to agree. Everyone boycotting the name didn't have an issue using the term Redskins prior to this year. Back during his Giants days, Simms sure didn't boycott playing against the Redskins and losing his paycheck. Anyone who claims to lose sleep because of the use of the Redskins name clearly has larger psychological issues to deal with than the use of the term Redskins.

[free2131]

Not 1 minute in...

'We don't know what or where these genes are, or exactly how they work, but there is evidence that they exist'

Ummm... if you don't know what or where they are or how they work, what is the evidence they exist??

Now let the scientific backpedaling begin...

Being homosexual is only partly due to gay gene, research finds - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/10637532/Being-homosexual-is-only-partly-due-to-gay-gene-research-finds.html)

Okay, so you say prove that homosexuality is biological. I give you an article and a video that talks about something genetic scientists have discovered that may explain part of the reasons that homosexuality could be genetic. I guess I don't understand your objection. Is it because there isn't a definitive answer?

Is your opinion, then, that sexuality is a choice? If so, when did you decide to be straight?

[jlzinck]

I tell ya....if I was a woman I would be gay. I <3 the boobies

[IndySportsCards]

I tell ya....if I was a woman I would be gay. I <3 the boobies

LOL.. IF.. lol :D:D:eek:

[ck6599]

Oh boy, this thread could get real interesting, real quick......lots of opinions going to be thrown around......some of them are going to be by highly ignorant and uneducated people, I already see a few. Since I'm not one of those ignorant uneducated people, let me offer my opinion:
Tony Dungy is a douche....plain and simple
Redskins has been a fine team name for decades....and now its not? People are too sensitive, get over it.....Snyder's team, he can keep it Redskins if he wants. He'll change it when sponsors back away and the money stops rolling in, not a moment sooner.

[atoaz12]

Okay, so you say prove that homosexuality is biological. I give you an article and a video that talks about something genetic scientists have discovered that may explain part of the reasons that homosexuality could be genetic. I guess I don't understand your objection. Is it because there isn't a definitive answer?

Is your opinion, then, that sexuality is a choice? If so, when did you decide to be straight?

I asked for proof and that isn't proof. It's still opinion and scientists grasping for a reason. Nothing has been proven. It's all possibilities and maybes

I believe that homosexuality is a sin and a choice. I struggle with different vices that other people may not. Homosexuality isn't one that hits home with me. It is for other people.

[davdukes4]

What's the problem?
That is his belief.
You don't agree? That is your belief.

Oh the irony. One minority who fought through oppression is now openly trying to oppress another minority.

[free2131]

I believe that homosexuality is a sin and a choice.

Okay, then if you think that a person chooses their sexuality, then when did you choose to be straight? You can't have it both ways. Either people are born attracted to whom they are attracted to, or they decided whom to be attracted to. I'm not sure about you, but I couldn't just flip a switch in my brain and start finding men attractive. What makes you think they gay people are any more able to flip that switch?

[atoaz12]

Okay, then if you think that a person chooses their sexuality, then when did you choose to be straight? You can't have it both ways. Either people are born attracted to whom they are attracted to, or they decided whom to be attracted to. I'm not sure about you, but I couldn't just flip a switch in my brain and start finding men attractive. What makes you think they gay people are any more able to flip that switch?

I'm not asking for it both ways.
I've never had to choose because it's not a sin that I struggle with. There are things every day that I have to choose every day NOT to do by the grace of God. Someone dealing with homosexuality may not have to struggle with anger or alcoholism etc. I have to choose not to give in to my temper - it's an everyday thing for me.
There are plenty of people who flip the switch. A large % of the gay porn actors identify as straight men. Gay for pay. They decided. Check it out... Actually don't if you're at work haha Granted, they may not love their 'partner' in the film, but they create an attraction - something you mention above that you don't think is possible.
Also, does this mean there is a bisexual gene? Because that switch gets flipped regularly by those choosing that lifestyle.

[davdukes4]

I'm not asking for it both ways.
I've never had to choose because it's not a sin that I struggle with. There are things every day that I have to choose every day NOT to do by the grace of God. Someone dealing with homosexuality may not have to struggle with anger or alcoholism etc. I have to choose not to give in to my temper - it's an everyday thing for me.
There are plenty of people who flip the switch. A large % of the gay porn actors identify as straight men. Gay for pay. They decided. Check it out... Actually don't if you're at work haha Granted, they may not love their 'partner' in the film, but they create an attraction - something you mention above that you don't think is possible.
Also, does this mean there is a bisexual gene? Because that switch gets flipped regularly by those choosing that lifestyle.
I don't believe sexual preference is a choice for most people. But here is one good example of what you're talking about.

I’m a lesbian marrying a man - Salon.com (http://www.salon.com/2014/07/29/im_a_lesbian_marrying_a_man/)

A handful of my femininist friends were eating this up...and I just sat there laughing and shaking my head.

[IowaCubs1]

What's the problem?
That is his belief.
You don't agree? That is your belief.

I completely agree. Who cares. It is his belief he can do whatever he wants. This is America. I can believe what I want also. I choose to not support gay marriage. Who cares that is my belief. I'm not going to smite someone for being gay or getting married. I just don't support it and that isn't my belief. Call me whatever you want but half the crap posted on this site is so hypocrital. People can have their own individual beliefs and religious beliefs.
Just because it is different from what you believe in doesn't make it right to name-call and what not.

-And for the record I am not prejudice. I just have my own beliefs. If you disagree with me, that's fine. I don't hate people. I believe people should be individuals and have their own choices and beliefs who make them. If you call me a name or put down my beliefs - then YOU are prejudice.

[lbailey]

Okay, then if you think that a person chooses their sexuality, then when did you choose to be straight? You can't have it both ways. Either people are born attracted to whom they are attracted to, or they decided whom to be attracted to. I'm not sure about you, but I couldn't just flip a switch in my brain and start finding men attractive. What makes you think they gay people are any more able to flip that switch?

I am not trying to call you out, rather to tell you that you need to be careful with that way of thinking. I am not a murder but with your points you could make the same case for someone who can murder. I could not flip a switch and simply kill someone. But a murder or better yet a serial killer cannot turn the switch off. Are they born that way? Does society and a lack of a figure in their life at an early age make them that way? It can be a fine line for how we treat people who differ from societal norms.

After saying that, we are missing the point of this thread. It is more about the Redskins and their name then it is about Tony Dungy or personal believes on homosexuality. Can we focus our efforts on the topic at hand.

[chitownbears22]

Michael Sam sucks. Dungy was right that he wouldn't be worth the headache.

Redskins is a grey area type name. Can it be seen as racist, sure. Can it be seen as historical, sure.

Is Dungy allowed an opinion. You bet.

[atoaz12]

I completely agree. Who cares. It is his belief he can do whatever he wants. This is America. I can believe what I want also. I choose to not support gay marriage. Who cares that is my belief. I'm not going to smite someone for being gay or getting married. I just don't support it and that isn't my belief. Call me whatever you want but half the crap posted on this site is so hypocrital. People can have their own individual beliefs and religious beliefs.
Just because it is different from what you believe in doesn't make it right to name-call and what not.

-And for the record I am not prejudice. I just have my own beliefs. If you disagree with me, that's fine. I don't hate people. I believe people should be individuals and have their own choices and beliefs who make them. If you call me a name or put down my beliefs - then YOU are prejudice.

+1
We don't have to agree, but we also don't have to antagonize, name call and belittle

Speaking as one, Christians have become the worst... :(
We should be able to present our side without condemning everyone to Hell. Doesn't do a lot for compassion

[free2131]

There are plenty of people who flip the switch. A large % of the gay porn actors identify as straight men. Gay for pay. They decided.

I'm not talking about forcing yourself to have sex with someone of the same gender, I'm talking about an actual visceral attraction that you can't control. You talk about anger an as issue that some people have to deal with. Do they choose to become angry? Do some people who drink choose to become addicted?

For the sake of this argument, I concede to your opinion that homosexuality is something wrong that needs to be overcome (which I obviously don't agree with). If people don't choose to become angry and people don't choose to become addicted, then why would you assume that people DO choose to become homosexual? Let's say your vice is looking at and lusting after women who aren't your wife. Do you choose to lust after them, or does something in your brain just instantly give you "impure" thoughts?

As for bisexuality, I don't see how that is so hard to fathom. People have many different hair colors and eye colors (and even TWO different (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterochromia_iridum) eye colors).

[IndySportsCards]

What's next? A team of Gay Indians??

[free2131]

I am not a murder but with your points you could make the same case for someone who can murder. I could not flip a switch and simply kill someone. But a murder or better yet a serial killer cannot turn the switch off. Are they born that way?

Some are, yes. The main difference being that while murder is an action that affects someone other than the murder, homosexuality only affects an individual and those whom he or she is intimate with (with implied willing participation).

Murder is not something that a civilized society can tolerate. Consensual sex between two adults of the same gender is.

[ck6599]

I'm not asking for it both ways.
I've never had to choose because it's not a sin that I struggle with. There are things every day that I have to choose every day NOT to do by the grace of God. Someone dealing with homosexuality may not have to struggle with anger or alcoholism etc. I have to choose not to give in to my temper - it's an everyday thing for me.
There are plenty of people who flip the switch. A large % of the gay porn actors identify as straight men. Gay for pay. They decided. Check it out... Actually don't if you're at work haha Granted, they may not love their 'partner' in the film, but they create an attraction - something you mention above that you don't think is possible.
Also, does this mean there is a bisexual gene? Because that switch gets flipped regularly by those choosing that lifestyle.

You're an idiot.......I pray you have a child that comes out as gay someday...then we'll see what you think. People need to get with the times....10 years from now this won't even be an issue......civilized, rational people always rise to the top, bigoted, ignorant people fall behind.....I used to be opposed to gay marriage, but in the end I figure how does it impact me? It doesn't, to each their own..........WOW, how did a post about Redskins end up here :)

[lbailey]

You're an idiot.......I pray you have a child that comes out as gay someday...then we'll see what you think. People need to get with the times....10 years from now this won't even be an issue......civilized, rational people always rise to the top, bigoted, ignorant people fall behind.....I used to be opposed to gay marriage, but in the end I figure how does it impact me? It doesn't, to each their own..........WOW, how did a post about Redskins end up here :)

I agree with you that it doesn't impact my life in anyway. What you do in your bed is completely up to you and I don't want to know. I don't need to hear a press conference that tells me who you get it on with. The issue I have with your statement is about being a civilized and rational nation. Can you please name me a civilized and rational empire that ever lasted the more CIVILIZED and RATIONAL they became. It would seem that the more tolerant a society became they then seized to exist.

[free2131]

You're an idiot.......I pray you have a child that comes out as gay someday...then we'll see what you think. People need to get with the times....10 years from now this won't even be an issue......civilized, rational people always rise to the top, bigoted, ignorant people fall behind.....I used to be opposed to gay marriage, but in the end I figure how does it impact me? It doesn't, to each their own..........WOW, how did a post about Redskins end up here :)

There is no need for name calling. We are having a nice, civil conversation. Just because he and I don't agree on certain things doesn't give me the right to be disrespectful to him. My goal is simply to give him (and others) something to think about.

[ManInTheMirror]

There are plenty of people who flip the switch. A large % of the gay porn actors identify as straight men. Gay for pay. They decided.
These aren't people "flipping the switch". These are people acting, you know, just like other people in television and movies.

[IowaCubs1]

You're an idiot.......I pray you have a child that comes out as gay someday...then we'll see what you think. People need to get with the times....10 years from now this won't even be an issue......civilized, rational people always rise to the top, bigoted, ignorant people fall behind.....I used to be opposed to gay marriage, but in the end I figure how does it impact me? It doesn't, to each their own..........WOW, how did a post about Redskins end up here :)

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[IowaCubs1]

You're an idiot.......I pray you have a child that comes out as gay someday...then we'll see what you think. People need to get with the times....10 years from now this won't even be an issue......civilized, rational people always rise to the top, bigoted, ignorant people fall behind.....I used to be opposed to gay marriage, but in the end I figure how does it impact me? It doesn't, to each their own..........WOW, how did a post about Redskins end up here :)

Nevermind I don't need to post my beliefs here. I can believe whatever I want. Just like you can. Does it make me a bigot because I don't beleive in gay marriage. NO. I just don't agree with it. Who cares. You are judging MY beliefs. Why don't you believe what you want and others can believe what they want. Maybe some people think your comments are idiotic. Who cares. Its your beliefs and others have their beliefs. People are so closed minded to others beliefs, and they can believe whatever the heck they want to.

[88horsepower]

OP, you really fail epically when you start a thread off with that title. It's embarrassing.

[free2131]

Bigoted - you are bigoted towards people that don't agree with gay marriage

I will admit to that myself. I am also bigoted towards Neo-Nazis who think that interracial marriage should be outlawed and that white folks should have dominion over all other races. I guess you can say I am bigoted to everyone who holds the opinion that certain people shouldn't have the same rights and privileges afforded to another group. :)!

You are judging MY beliefs. Why don't you believe what you want and others can believe what they want.

It's real easy to say that everyone should respect other people's beliefs when you aren't the one who doesn't have the same rights as another group. You can think that gay marriage is wrong, but what you can't do is use that belief to forcibly deny that right to gay people, which people who are like minded with you are actively doing.

[IowaCubs1]

I will admit to that myself. I am also bigoted towards Neo-Nazis who think that interracial marriage should be outlawed and that white folks should have dominion over all other races. I guess you can say I am bigoted to everyone who holds the opinion that certain people shouldn't have the same rights and privileges afforded to another group. :)!



It's real easy to say that everyone should respect other people's beliefs when you aren't the one who doesn't have the same rights as another group. You can think that gay marriage is wrong, but what you can't do is use that belief to forcibly deny that right to gay people, which people who are like minded with you are actively doing.

This is true, which is why I don't support it but I do not care about what people do if it doesn't bother me or involve me. Whatever. It's America. Make your own decisions but you can also have your own beliefs.

[BlueReloaded]

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[freethrowtommy]

Turning into another SOLID Blowout thread.

They should give awards for these.

[atoaz12]

I'm not talking about forcing yourself to have sex with someone of the same gender, I'm talking about an actual visceral attraction that you can't control. You talk about anger an as issue that some people have to deal with. Do they choose to become angry? Do some people who drink choose to become addicted?

For the sake of this argument, I concede to your opinion that homosexuality is something wrong that needs to be overcome (which I obviously don't agree with). If people don't choose to become angry and people don't choose to become addicted, then why would you assume that people DO choose to become homosexual? Let's say your vice is looking at and lusting after women who aren't your wife. Do you choose to lust after them, or does something in your brain just instantly give you "impure" thoughts?

As for bisexuality, I don't see how that is so hard to fathom. People have many different hair colors and eye colors (and even TWO different (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterochromia_iridum) eye colors).

Everyone feels anger. It's my choice how I let it out. It would also be my choice to drink beer #1 or beer #21 which leads to an addiction.
Hope this doesn't veer the conversation too far away from the point, but one more 'choice' question - what leads me to be attracted to some women but not all women? Is more likely that there is some genetic makeup that leads me to like blondes and you to like red heads (vague example, I know) or more likely that life experiences/instances led to that?

Psychology tells us life experiences, especially at a young age, contribute to much of our make up and lead to many 'negative' habits and health issues

Bad experiences in early childhood can lead to ?health harming life course,? study shows | The BMJ (http://www.bmj.com/content/348/bmj.g3097)
(may have to login for the whole thing, sorry!)

Appreciate your insight and the chatting back and forth!

You're an idiot.......I pray you have a child that comes out as gay someday...then we'll see what you think. People need to get with the times....10 years from now this won't even be an issue......civilized, rational people always rise to the top, bigoted, ignorant people fall behind.....I used to be opposed to gay marriage, but in the end I figure how does it impact me? It doesn't, to each their own..........WOW, how did a post about Redskins end up here :)

I have a child and if he chooses the gay lifestyle, I will love him as much that day as the day he tells me. Will I agree with it? Nope. But will I shun him or any partner? No. Because my love and acceptance isn't dependent upon agreeing with everything that I believe in

Take this for what it's worth:

Our culture has accepted two huge lies. The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear them or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.

[jlzinck]

I would say this was basketball folder worthy but that would be insulting to that folder.

[fullmetal]

Their employer should consider dismissal for performance failures.

[Samiamryan]

We (as in white people) used to use the N word all the time. Now we see it is wrong and don't use it anymore. Is it ok to use it now cause we used it freely 50 years ago?

Look, if someone who is native is offended by it, no one else should have a say to weather or not he should be offended by it.

[freethrowtommy]

We (as in white people) used to use the N word all the time. Now we see it is wrong and don't use it anymore. Is it ok to use it now cause we used it freely 50 years ago?

Look, if someone who is native is offended by it, no one else should have a say to weather or not he should be offended by it.

Stop saying things that make me like you.

[ucLAkers]

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[AlabamaSlamma]

I would say this was basketball folder worthy but that would be insulting to that folder.

awwwww, you really DO care about us!!!

[WhacksPacks]

Tony Dungy has decided that it's perfectly fine for him to campaign for the oppression of an entire biological group of .

ok.

http://31.media.tumblr.com/934499a3dfc0d8e07e1ae2d5f0c48979/tumblr_mwycrf58eo1rzik3go1_250.gif

[WhacksPacks]

We (as in white people) used to use the N word all the time.

I wasn't here 50 years ago.
Unless you have a clown in your pocket I would refrain from generalizations.

[freethrowtommy]

I wasn't here 50 years ago.
Unless you have a clown in your pocket I would refrain from generalizations.

The point is here.





















Here is you.

[whodatbeastly16]

Well, what about the gay parades they have in big cities, where they do very sexual things, even when there is children around. Is that ok? I'm not forcing homosexuals to stop what they're doing, I'm just saying I don't agree with it. Just like I dont agree with sex before marriage. Everyone has their own struggles, some people deal with lust, pride, anger gluttony. We, as Christians, realize we have these struggles and repent and ask for forgiveness. So, no, I am not forcing gay people to stop, but I do not support it, I do not glorify it, it's just not what I believe. I'm not being prejudiced or saying mean things about them. Whatever happened to Freedom of Speech and Religion in this country?

[freethrowtommy]

Well, what about the gay parades they have in big cities, where they do very sexual things, even when there is children around. Is that ok? I'm not forcing homosexuals to stop what they're doing, I'm just saying I don't agree with it. Just like I dont agree with sex before marriage. Everyone has their own struggles, some people deal with lust, pride, anger gluttony. We, as Christians, realize we have these struggles and repent and ask for forgiveness. So, no, I am not forcing gay people to stop, but I do not support it, I do not glorify it, it's just not what I believe. I'm not being prejudiced or saying mean things about them. Whatever happened to Freedom of Speech and Religion in this country?

*Sigh*

Nothing... nothing happened to "Freedom of Speech".

If you think it has, you don't know what it means.

[whodatbeastly16]

Well now, if we say we do not agree with something, and we are considered bigots and bad names, then the people who are saying those things don't believe in the right of speech.

[davdukes4]

Mike Ditka blames Washington Redskins name-change talk on | FOX Sports (http://www.foxsports.com/buzzer/story/mike-ditka-washington-redskins-name-change-political-correct-idiots-081914?cmpid=tsmfb%3Afscom%3Anflonfox)

[fullmetal]

Well, what about the gay parades they have in big cities, where they do very sexual things, even when there is children around. Is that ok? I'm not forcing homosexuals to stop what they're doing, I'm just saying I don't agree with it. Just like I dont agree with sex before marriage. Everyone has their own struggles, some people deal with lust, pride, anger gluttony. We, as Christians, realize we have these struggles and repent and ask for forgiveness. So, no, I am not forcing gay people to stop, but I do not support it, I do not glorify it, it's just not what I believe. I'm not being prejudiced or saying mean things about them. Whatever happened to Freedom of Speech and Religion in this country?

Isn't that the definition of prejudice?

You can replace 'gay parade' with 'beach' or 'straight parade' and make the same argument. There are things that may not be appropriate for the eyes of children.

As noted, you are misusing the context of your constitutional freedoms.

[freethrowtommy]

Well now, if we say we do not agree with something, and we are considered bigots and bad names, then the people who are saying those things don't believe in the right of speech.

Once again, figure out what "freedom of speech" actually means as one of your rights and come back. You will find out quickly that it doesn't mean what you think it means.

I would explain it, but that takes the learning experience away from people around here. And with the internet, there should be zero excuses.

[37Jetson]

I hope that Simms decision earned him a free case of Kotex.

I can't even think of a zinger for Dungy

[SpastikMooss]

Two fairly good articles on how being anti-homosexuality doesn't necessarily make one a bigot:

Gay marriage and religious freedom: Don&rsquo;t stereotype the Christian wedding photographer as a bigot. (http://www.slate.com/blogs/saletan/2014/03/07/gay_marriage_and_religious_freedom_don_t_stereotype_the_christian_wedding.html)

Is Every Christian Who's Against Gay Marriage Necessarily a Bigot? | John Shore (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-shore/is-every-christian-whos-against-gay-marriage-necessarily-a-bigot_b_5374429.html)

The second one has a passage that covers it pretty well, and explains why Tony Dungy is, by definition of the word, a bigot:
"Pertinent question number 1: When does the anti-gay Christian become irrefutably a bigot?

Answer: The moment he or she does anything to restrict the rights of any other person based solely upon the fact that that person is gay.

You, anti-gay Christian, have the God-given freedom and the American right to believe whatever you want, and to worship and congregate with anyone and everyone who shares your beliefs. What sane person would argue against that?

For all practical purposes (and for such concerns, what else matters?) it is not beliefs that make a bigot. It's actions.

If you vote against gay marriage or gay rights, you are a bigot, as surely as anyone who voted against civil rights in the '60s was a bigot. If you preach against gay rights, you are a bigot. If you write against gay rights, you are a bigot. If you give your money or time to any Christian church or ministry that you know actively works to restrict or limit gay rights in any way, you are a bigot."

If you think homosexuality is a sin, that's fine. If you're uncomfortable with it, okay. You're allowed freedom of thought and opinion and all that.

But when you actively vote against gay marriage, or donate money to anti-gay causes, that's where the lines blur. That's not just "I have an opinion on a group of people." That's "I'm going to make sure a group of people doesn't get to have the same rights as other people just because of one part of them, choice or inborn trait or otherwise, that I don't agree with.

When it comes to gay marriage, it's pretty much just about earning basic rights that everyone else has when they get married. And contrary to popular belief (I've seen a lot of bad/misinformation in this thread regarding the gay lifestyle so it's at least contrary to some members here), gays make darn good parents. Studies have shown this time and time again. They're also just people like you and I, and if some of you knew more LGBTQ individuals and didn't just judge them on media or that "one guy at work" who's really flamboyant...you'd see that and you wouldn't restrict their rights even if you didn't agree with their decisions.

So even if you think they're sinful, which is fine - that's your right as a religious person and an American - please don't deny them rights based on your thoughts.

[katho54]

Efff tony dungy, he should go oppress some more homosexuals since that is his thing. What a joke this man became once he started opening his mouth

Tony Dungy has as much right to his opinion as you do...Just because you love Homos doesnt mean everyone does....I believe its a perversion,not a way of life...and right or wrong,thats my opinion!!!

[atoaz12]

Two fairly good articles on how being anti-homosexuality doesn't necessarily make one a bigot:

Gay marriage and religious freedom: Don&rsquo;t stereotype the Christian wedding photographer as a bigot. (http://www.slate.com/blogs/saletan/2014/03/07/gay_marriage_and_religious_freedom_don_t_stereotype_the_christian_wedding.html)

Is Every Christian Who's Against Gay Marriage Necessarily a Bigot?#@|#@John Shore (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-shore/is-every-christian-whos-against-gay-marriage-necessarily-a-bigot_b_5374429.html)

The second one has a passage that covers it pretty well, and explains why Tony Dungy is, by definition of the word, a bigot:
"Pertinent question number 1: When does the anti-gay Christian become irrefutably a bigot?

Answer: The moment he or she does anything to restrict the rights of any other person based solely upon the fact that that person is gay.

You, anti-gay Christian, have the God-given freedom and the American right to believe whatever you want, and to worship and congregate with anyone and everyone who shares your beliefs. What sane person would argue against that?

For all practical purposes (and for such concerns, what else matters?) it is not beliefs that make a bigot. It's actions.

If you vote against gay marriage or gay rights, you are a bigot, as surely as anyone who voted against civil rights in the '60s was a bigot. If you preach against gay rights, you are a bigot. If you write against gay rights, you are a bigot. If you give your money or time to any Christian church or ministry that you know actively works to restrict or limit gay rights in any way, you are a bigot."

If you think homosexuality is a sin, that's fine. If you're uncomfortable with it, okay. You're allowed freedom of thought and opinion and all that.

But when you actively vote against gay marriage, or donate money to anti-gay causes, that's where the lines blur. That's not just "I have an opinion on a group of people." That's "I'm going to make sure a group of people doesn't get to have the same rights as other people just because of one part of them, choice or inborn trait or otherwise, that I don't agree with.

When it comes to gay marriage, it's pretty much just about earning basic rights that everyone else has when they get married. And contrary to popular belief (I've seen a lot of bad/misinformation in this thread regarding the gay lifestyle so it's at least contrary to some members here), gays make darn good parents. Studies have shown this time and time again. They're also just people like you and I, and if some of you knew more LGBTQ individuals and didn't just judge them on media or that "one guy at work" who's really flamboyant...you'd see that and you wouldn't restrict their rights even if you didn't agree with their decisions.

So even if you think they're sinful, which is fine - that's your right as a religious person and an American - please don't deny them rights based on your thoughts.

So does you not wanting Christians to speak out against sin, something our faith encourages us to do, make you a bigot?

According to your post, yes.

Welcome to the club :)!

[SpastikMooss]

nvm this one...but please read my post above...

[yazevans]

So does you not wanting Christians to speak out against sin, something our faith encourages us to do, make you a bigot?

According to your post, yes.

Welcome to the club :)!

You obviously didn't read his post. "For all practical purposes (and for such concerns, what else matters?) it is not beliefs that make a bigot. It's actions."

"Not wanting" something doesn't make one a bigot.

[freethrowtommy]

So does you not wanting Christians to speak out against sin, something our faith encourages us to do, make you a bigot?

According to your post, yes.

Welcome to the club :)!

I had a nice rant typed up regarding organized religion, but I decided against it.

The only thing I will say is, shame on you for not reading his post.

[whodatbeastly16]

Hey atoaz12 theres no point in arguing. Us Christians can never win in an argument like this. People will never change. Arguing only makes it worse.

[SpastikMooss]

Hey atoaz12 theres no point in arguing. Us Christians can never win in an argument like this. People will never change. Arguing only makes it worse.

I hope you read my post as well...

[free2131]

But when you actively vote against gay marriage, or donate money to anti-gay causes, that's where the lines blur. That's not just "I have an opinion on a group of people." That's "I'm going to make sure a group of people doesn't get to have the same rights as other people just because of one part of them, choice or inborn trait or otherwise, that I don't agree with.

So even if you think they're sinful, which is fine - that's your right as a religious person and an American - please don't deny them rights based on your thoughts.

http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/picard_clapping.gif

[freethrowtommy]

Hey atoaz12 theres no point in arguing. Us Christians can never win in an argument like this. People will never change. Arguing only makes it worse.

Did you research your "freedom of speech" yet? Knowledge is power!

[free2131]

Hey atoaz12 theres no point in arguing. Us Christians can never win in an argument like this. People will never change. Arguing only makes it worse.

When the argument is, "We think we should be able to deny rights to a group of people that are afforded to another group of people because we think the way they live their live is wrong," then yes, you will never win and you SHOULDN'T win.

[Samiamryan]

Two fairly good articles on how being anti-homosexuality doesn't necessarily make one a bigot:

Gay marriage and religious freedom: Don&rsquo;t stereotype the Christian wedding photographer as a bigot. (http://www.slate.com/blogs/saletan/2014/03/07/gay_marriage_and_religious_freedom_don_t_stereotype_the_christian_wedding.html)

Is Every Christian Who's Against Gay Marriage Necessarily a Bigot?#@|#@John Shore (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-shore/is-every-christian-whos-against-gay-marriage-necessarily-a-bigot_b_5374429.html)

The second one has a passage that covers it pretty well, and explains why Tony Dungy is, by definition of the word, a bigot:
"Pertinent question number 1: When does the anti-gay Christian become irrefutably a bigot?

Answer: The moment he or she does anything to restrict the rights of any other person based solely upon the fact that that person is gay.

You, anti-gay Christian, have the God-given freedom and the American right to believe whatever you want, and to worship and congregate with anyone and everyone who shares your beliefs. What sane person would argue against that?

For all practical purposes (and for such concerns, what else matters?) it is not beliefs that make a bigot. It's actions.

If you vote against gay marriage or gay rights, you are a bigot, as surely as anyone who voted against civil rights in the '60s was a bigot. If you preach against gay rights, you are a bigot. If you write against gay rights, you are a bigot. If you give your money or time to any Christian church or ministry that you know actively works to restrict or limit gay rights in any way, you are a bigot."

If you think homosexuality is a sin, that's fine. If you're uncomfortable with it, okay. You're allowed freedom of thought and opinion and all that.

But when you actively vote against gay marriage, or donate money to anti-gay causes, that's where the lines blur. That's not just "I have an opinion on a group of people." That's "I'm going to make sure a group of people doesn't get to have the same rights as other people just because of one part of them, choice or inborn trait or otherwise, that I don't agree with.

When it comes to gay marriage, it's pretty much just about earning basic rights that everyone else has when they get married. And contrary to popular belief (I've seen a lot of bad/misinformation in this thread regarding the gay lifestyle so it's at least contrary to some members here), gays make darn good parents. Studies have shown this time and time again. They're also just people like you and I, and if some of you knew more LGBTQ individuals and didn't just judge them on media or that "one guy at work" who's really flamboyant...you'd see that and you wouldn't restrict their rights even if you didn't agree with their decisions.

So even if you think they're sinful, which is fine - that's your right as a religious person and an American - please don't deny them rights based on your thoughts.

This is dead on! Thank you for this post. We'll thought out. One of the best post I've read on here in a long time. And this is coming from a Christian!

[SpastikMooss]

http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/picard_clapping.gif

This is dead on! Thank you for this post. We'll thought out. One of the best post I've read on here in a long time. And this is coming from a Christian!

Thanks and thanks :)!

[atoaz12]

You obviously didn't read his post. "For all practical purposes (and for such concerns, what else matters?) it is not beliefs that make a bigot. It's actions."

"Not wanting" something doesn't make one a bigot.

I had a nice rant typed up regarding organized religion, but I decided against it.

The only thing I will say is, shame on you for not reading his post.

I read the post. It was well written and has some very good points!
Based on what was written I'm a bigot. I would vote against. I go to a church that doesnt support it and I tithe to that church.

My point is - and I made it poorly last night- there is an active (key word to your post) hatred and verbal attack (it may have come out in your religion rant) on our beliefs by those who don't believe what we believe.

Hey atoaz12 theres no point in arguing. Us Christians can never win in an argument like this. People will never change. Arguing only makes it worse.

This isn't an argument. Just a discussion. Or at least that's how I'm approaching it.

When the argument is, "We think we should be able to deny rights to a group of people that are afforded to another group of people because we think the way they live their live is wrong," then yes, you will never win and you SHOULDN'T win.

Do you pay taxes in Alabama? Or to the US government? If you don't, please report to jail because you're one of the reasons mine are so high haha
But if you do, you're supporting entities that do not fully support gay marriage.

It can't just be aimed at churches - which goes to my point above

[freethrowtommy]

I read the post. It was well written and has some very good points!
Based on what was written I'm a bigot. I would vote against. I go to a church that doesnt support it and I tithe to that church.

My point is - and I made it poorly last night- there is an active (key word to your post) hatred and verbal attack (it may have come out in your religion rant) on our beliefs by those who don't believe what we believe.


That is ironic, because voting against and actively "hating" against something you don't believe is exactly what you are doing. Don't play the victim card here. You aren't a victim.

[atoaz12]

I'll once again refer to this:

Our culture has accepted two huge lies. The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear them or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.

[corndog]

I'll once again refer to this:

Our culture has accepted two huge lies. The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear them or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.

I agree, but trying to get someone to comprehend that is difficult.
So based on the 2nd article mentioned earlier, I guess I am a bigot as well. :(

I would disagree wholeheartedly, but what I believe doesn't matter if it doesn't fall in line with another's. I am simply labeled "anti", therefore I am a bigot. :rolleyes:

[HBMC]

If you think homosexuality is a sin, that's fine. If you're uncomfortable with it, okay. You're allowed freedom of thought and opinion and all that.

Flippantly regarding beliefs as "all that" misses the point of the establishment clause of the 1st Amendment.


But when you actively vote against gay marriage, or donate money to anti-gay causes, that's where the lines blur. That's not just "I have an opinion on a group of people." That's "I'm going to make sure a group of people doesn't get to have the same rights as other people just because of one part of them, choice or inborn trait or otherwise, that I don't agree with.

Then get government at all levels out of marriage, period. Then this problem goes away. Getting married isn't a "right" like you think it is, it's a liberty granted by the state (which I think is ludicrous), kind of like getting a driver's license.


So even if you think they're sinful, which is fine - that's your right as a religious person and an American - please don't deny them rights based on your thoughts.

I reiterate my point about government being involved in the process in the first place. Which was a Progressive move in the early late 19th and early 20th century to try to deny blacks from marrying each other.

And compelling people who do not believe a certain way to participate in said activities is also wrong. Much like the bakery in Colorado and photographers in New Mexico, who were compelled to participate via court edict (and in the case of Colorado, forced to take sensitivity classes as well). Tolerance goes a lot of different directions, a lot of which don't

If this push were aimed at Muslims, we'd never hear about it, because they wouldn't stand for it and they're also one of the other protected classes in the zeitgeist of the US.

[Trackman5476]

The biggest problem with today's society is that you are labeled and judged just for not agreeing with or supporting something.

In regards to LGBT, someone can treat one with dignity and respect just like they would and other human being, but if they say they don't agree many are quick to throw the label "Bigot". There are many bigots out there, but having your own set of beliefs and convictions doesn't make you one.

Once we start judging people for having different beliefs we stop supporting the whole idea of America and what we have stood for for over two hundred years.

Many men, myself included, have fought for, sweat for, bled for and buried our friends for this Nation and what we stand for.

Personally I don't agree with or actively support LGBT, but that's my right to have my own beliefs, doesn't make me a bigot. I will still treat that person the same I would anyone else I work with or deal with.

[IowaCubs1]

The biggest problem with today's society is that you are labeled and judged just for not agreeing with or supporting something.

In regards to LGBT, someone can treat one with dignity and respect just like they would and other human being, but if they say they don't agree many are quick to throw the label "Bigot". There are many bigots out there, but having your own set of beliefs and convictions doesn't make you one.

Once we start judging people for having different beliefs we stop supporting the whole idea of America and what we have stood for for over two hundred years.

Many men, myself included, have fought for, sweat for, bled for and buried our friends for this Nation and what we stand for.

Personally I don't agree with or actively support LGBT, but that's my right to have my own beliefs, doesn't make me a bigot. I will still treat that person the same I would anyone else I work with or deal with.

Amen!!!!! Thank you for all that you do.

This post sums up my feelings about this. I am not a bigot. I just have different beliefs and do not support gay marriage. But I will still treat people the way I want to be treated. Dungy said he would not draft Sam due to the media attention. And if it were because he is gay, so be it. That's his decision.

I will continue to be a non-supporter of gay marriage only because that is my right and belief but it does not mean that I will hate on the group or do things to limit their rights.

[GB5HOF]

Amen!!!!! Thank you for all that you do.

This post sums up my feelings about this. I am not a bigot. I just have different beliefs and do not support gay marriage. But I will still treat people the way I want to be treated. Dungy said he would not draft Sam due to the media attention. And if it were because he is gay, so be it. That's his decision.

I will continue to be a non-supporter of gay marriage only because that is my right and belief but it does not mean that I will hate on the group or do things to limit their rights.

I love the contradictory statements. One right after another.

[IowaCubs1]

I love the contradictory statements. One right after another.

Because I do not believe in gay marriage makes me a bigot? NO. Being a bigot means you hate a group and are in complete opposition. I DO NOT hate the group and WILL NOT limit rights of other individuals. I just choose not to donate/support gay marriage. That's my belief.

[GB5HOF]

Why don't you "believe" in gay marriage? Answer that question without using the Bible as a reason.

[atoaz12]

Why don't you "believe" in gay marriage? Answer that question without using the Bible as a reason.

Defeats the purpose of the discussion I do believe

[IowaCubs1]

Why don't you "believe" in gay marriage? Answer that question without using the Bible as a reason.

Because I believe marriage should be between a man and a woman and that is my choice?

and I do have religious beliefs as to which I can follow if I want to.

Who cares. I can believe what I want to and support what I want to. Just like you can. That is the GOOD thing about being American. We all have our own rights and beliefs. Just as I do, you do, straight people do, gay people do.

It's everyone's decision. Just like being Republican or Democrat... Or being a Chiefs fan or a Raiders fan.

I don't hate anyone and I sure don't limit anyones rights. I just choose not to support/donate to the cause.

[mikecamp99]

Congrats guys, this thread will be gone by the end of the day!

[GB5HOF]

Totally agree man. You can lay your head on your pillow every night believing those aren't bigoted thoughts, and I can do the same believing they are.

Thanks for your honest response.

Oh, and everyone outside of Oakland hates the Raiders. So we are good there.

[GB5HOF]

Congrats guys, this thread will be gone by the end of the day!

Why? Was there something offensive in our discussion?

[ssbledsoe]

Congrats guys, this thread will be gone by the end of the day!

We have a winner. I like how some people want to ban gay marriage because of religious beliefs but they don't like sharia law because it's from another groups religious beliefs...

[ssbledsoe]

Why? Was there something offensive in our discussion?

Just a few forum rules broken: http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/off-topic/42188-no-political-religious-race-charity-fund-raising-self-promotion-threads-please.html

[GB5HOF]

Defeats the purpose of the discussion I do believe

Exactly my point. There's no real world reason.

[GB5HOF]

Just a few forum rules broken: http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/off-topic/42188-no-political-religious-race-charity-fund-raising-self-promotion-threads-please.html

Got it. I'll keep my self-promoting to a minimum going forward. My apologies to the mods. Feel free to delete my posts.

[IowaCubs1]

Totally agree man. You can lay your head on your pillow every night believing those aren't bigoted thoughts, and I can do the same believing they are.

Thanks for your honest response.

Oh, and everyone outside of Oakland hates the Raiders. So we are good there.

Exactly. and I won't condone you for doing so. It's your belief. And we all have our own. God Bless America

[mikecamp99]

Got it. I'll keep my self-promoting to a minimum going forward. My apologies to the mods. Feel free to delete my posts.

I'm not arguing for against what anyone said, all I'm pointing out is the way this discussion turned it will be deleted because of forum rules. These type of threads tend to get very heated and out of control.

[GB5HOF]

Nope, you are totally right. I usually steer clear of this type of stuff too. Let's move on!

[IowaCubs1]

Me too! Anyways........ Football is one week away!!!

[jeg2315]

The word Redskin didn't suddenly turn into something derogatory - Dungy, Simms et al. could have stopped using the word long ago. This is purely about playing into the PC trend in regards to the word.

[GB5HOF]

Me too! Anyways........ Football is one week away!!!

This. Yes.

[Grid]

Can we just use the name Washington Racists?

[corndog]

Can we just use the name Washington Racists?

I prefer the Washington PC's.

[fullmetal]

Washington Moneywasters

[Greenfuzz]

Washington Post editorial board stops using the word ?Redskins? - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/washington-post-editorial-board-stops-using-the-word-redskins/2014/08/22/39864ae0-2a0a-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html)

[Samiamryan]

https://dictionary.search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0LEVzU8sPdTykUABbBXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTBsa3ZzMnBvBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkAw--?p=redskin&.sep=

End of thread.

[freethrowtommy]

Maybe using the term "Redskin" should be censored with symbols around here.

Symbols lead to suspensions.