What I don't understand about the Seahawks is...

[pejc300]

how they don't repeat this year.

Anyone watching them? Probably not. Russell Wilson is hands down the most underrated and underappreciated QB in the league and I cannot wait for him to hoist the Lombardi Trophy again.

[Pot Roast]

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=1018894

[The Card Album]

Any given Sunday is how they don't repeat.

Plus there's the injury factor.

[superynaldo]

Who cares... No one knew who the Seahawks were until all this super bowl bs...

[Whodatiz]

So, when they win again this year, will you be providing the Blowout community with yet another "informational" thread about your profits?

[jbmets95]

Im watching

In midseason form

Russ to CMike for the TD!!

[MI Rob]

Im watching

In midseason form

Russ to CMike for the TD!!

Why do

You

Always type

Like this?

[cadillac540]

So, when they win again this year, will you be providing the Blowout community with yet another "informational" thread about your profits?

I don't see why he wouldn't be gambling $45,000 on them :confused:

[AP4MVP]

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=1018894

Surrender now or prepare to fight.

In all seriousness I don't think a repeat will happen

[Whodatiz]

May be related to Christopher Walken?

Why do

You

Always type

Like this?

[pejc300]

So, when they win again this year, will you be providing the Blowout community with yet another "informational" thread about your profits?

So much hate. You sir, need a little love in your life.

[pejc300]

I don't see why he wouldn't be gambling $45,000 on them :confused:

I don't bet on football:)

[cadillac540]

I don't bet on football:)

I don't know why not since its a sure thing.

[jbmets95]

I do when im on my phone instead of my computer

Sorry :)

Why do

You

Always type

Like this?

[hunterclan09]

how they don't repeat this year.



Anyone watching them? Probably not. Russell Wilson is hands down the most underrated and underappreciated QB in the league and I cannot wait for him to hoist the Lombardi Trophy again.


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[lagalaxyfan23]

how they don't repeat this year.

Anyone watching them? Probably not. Russell Wilson is hands down the most underrated and underappreciated QB in the league and I cannot wait for him to hoist the Lombardi Trophy again.

1) It's preseason
2) Russell Wilson is nowhere near the most underrated QB in the league (quite the opposite actually)
3) The teams in their division are super strong as well, so they will likely be losing a lot more games than last year.
4) The O-line sucks
5) Madden curse

[GoHawks25]

1) It's preseason
2) Russell Wilson is nowhere near the most underrated QB in the league (quite the opposite actually)
3) The teams in their division are super strong as well, so they will likely be losing a lot more games than last year.
4) The O-line sucks
5) Madden curse

Errr WRONG

[mrmojorisin71]

Errr WRONG

I typically like your posts, however quoting Jim Rome makes me want to think bad things about you, and I don't want to

[kguye]

Hate to say it..Seattle has one of the most stable OLines in the NFL. It helps since they have the best OLine coach in Tom Cable

All 4 teams in the NFC West now have pretty solid lines from Tackle to Tackle

[mrmojorisin71]

I do when im on my phone instead of my computer

Sorry :)

Man, the response should be

I

Do when

I'm on

My phone instead

Of

My computer.


It

Would give

You

Street cred

[GoHawks25]

I typically like your posts, however quoting Jim Rome makes me want to think bad things about you, and I don't want to

Top 10 O-line, how could you say they suck and not like my post lol

[anusinha]

A rematch of last years SB is certainly possible. No one else (in preseason) looks to be on the same level.

[Chrisp253]

1) It's preseason

2) Russell Wilson is nowhere near the most underrated QB in the league (quite the opposite actually)

3) The teams in their division are super strong as well, so they will likely be losing a lot more games than last year.

4) The O-line sucks

5) Madden curse


1) its the 3rd game.. All teams always play the third game like a real game for the first half and deeper.. Ie why brady played so much today too.. So thats a dumb argument.

2) he actually is.. He is referred to as a game manager. He is constantly belittled by nearly every non seahawks fan on here as not that good.. Its the defense... Yada yada yada.. Hell he had the stats to be mvp of the superbowl.. If peyton or brady had those stats.. Mvp but nope. He is better than advertised he is just humble enough to sit back and do whats needed and not be bigger than the team.

3) the same teams were just as strong last year.. Bad argument.. I actually believe the niners are regressing but we will have to wait n see.. Rams d line got better. Cardinals prolly improved but just lost the key to their defense in darnell dockett... Oh and does it not look like we improved? Our offense looks like a top 5 squad.. Defense might be better too.

4) wrong.. Since you didnt support yours with any facts i guess i dont have to either

5) tooth fairy told me she took care of that for us this year.




How can you live here.. Be such a big football fan... And be so misinformed and unknowledgeable about the local team when you dislike them enough that you constantly want to belittle them.. Youd think you would actually watch the game or do some research benny.. Disappointed.

[TheBurg]

They could repeat, they have an amazing team. We all know how unlikely it is though.

[lagalaxyfan23]

1) its the 3rd game.. All teams always play the third game like a real game for the first half and deeper.. Ie why brady played so much today too.. So thats a dumb argument.

2) he actually is.. He is referred to as a game manager. He is constantly belittled by nearly every non seahawks fan on here as not that good.. Its the defense... Yada yada yada.. Hell he had the stats to be mvp of the superbowl.. If peyton or brady had those stats.. Mvp but nope. He is better than advertised he is just humble enough to sit back and do whats needed and not be bigger than the team.

3) the same teams were just as strong last year.. Bad argument.. I actually believe the niners are regressing but we will have to wait n see.. Rams d line got better. Cardinals prolly improved but just lost the key to their defense in darnell dockett... Oh and does it not look like we improved? Our offense looks like a top 5 squad.. Defense might be better too.

4) wrong.. Since you didnt support yours with any facts i guess i dont have to either

5) tooth fairy told me she took care of that for us this year.




How can you live here.. Be such a big football fan... And be so misinformed and unknowledgeable about the local team when you dislike them enough that you constantly want to belittle them.. Youd think you would actually watch the game or do some research benny.. Disappointed.

Seahawks are a great team, but that's a lot of homerism there Chris haha. Preseason is still preseason. Doesn't matter if it's Week 3 or not. The starters play for longer in Week 3, but teams are still rotating backups in very often (which wouldn't happen normally during a game). I don't get how you think the Seattle O-line is good. They finished 27th in the NFL last year (25th in pass blocking, 23rd in run blocking, and 30th in penalties). They didn't do anything spectacular to revamp it this year either. I watched the game today, and even with the starters in Russell was still running ten yards backwards just like he would always do last season. Also, the Seattle offense is not a Top 5 squad at all haha. Broncos, Saints, Eagles, Chicago, and Green Bay all have better offenses right now. The team isn't going to suck (they're too talented), but people clambering for a Super Bowl repeat just because they had a nice preseason game isn't very justifiable.

[Rule]

The bears moved the ball through the air pretty well actually, and yes I did watch. penalties killed them on key drives, they even had a TD called back because of it. I didn't really like what I saw out of Maxwell, he tries to strip first, then tackle. While it worked last year against Demaryius, he gives up extra yardage because of it. They seemed to target him the most too. Jeremy Lane looked good, and I'm really encouraged by Tharold Simon as well for the secondary.

Our pass rush wasn't the best, but then again we got up big early, so I'm guessing we didn't want to show too much.

Whoever mentioned injuries is right. There were some quality teams last year that couldn't keep guys on the field. Health is so huge. I don't wanna jinx anything haha, but if we can come out of the divisional games with our key guys still standing, I think we have a great shot at competing in the Bowl again.

[GoHawks25]

Seahawks are a great team, but that's a lot of homerism there Chris haha. Preseason is still preseason. Doesn't matter if it's Week 3 or not. The starters play for longer in Week 3, but teams are still rotating backups in very often (which wouldn't happen normally during a game). I don't get how you think the Seattle O-line is good. They finished 27th in the NFL last year (25th in pass blocking, 23rd in run blocking, and 30th in penalties). They didn't do anything spectacular to revamp it this year either. I watched the game today, and even with the starters in Russell was still running ten yards backwards just like he would always do last season. Also, the Seattle offense is not a Top 5 squad at all haha. Broncos, Saints, Eagles, Chicago, and Green Bay all have better offenses right now. The team isn't going to suck (they're too talented), but people clambering for a Super Bowl repeat just because they had a nice preseason game isn't very justifiable.

Seattle O-line: Okung Pro Bowl 2012, Unger All Pro, Sweezy Had an AMAZING playoff run last year. Check this link out: Offensive Line Rankings (http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=bitolrank2014)

Not top 5 at all? With Percy Harvin back and healthy imagine what he can do this year. He played 1 full game last season and got a kick return TD, 2 carries for 45 yards and a 5 yard catch. All in the Superbowl against the 2nd best team in the NFL. Jermaine Kaerse is playing absolutely amazing. Russell Wilson keeps on getting better. Not only that but C. Michael looks great. I don't think we will ever have a tired RB.

The reason we think they have a good chance to repeat is because are defense is unstoppable and our offense has looked amazing. I would like to add Eagles lost to Bears and Seahawks dismantled them.

Edit: I would like to add the Seahawks would beat the Eagles 8-9 times out of 10.

[lagalaxyfan23]

Seattle O-line: Okung Pro Bowl 2012, Unger All Pro, Sweezy Had an AMAZING playoff run last year. Check this link out: Offensive Line Rankings (http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=bitolrank2014)

Not top 5 at all? With Percy Harvin back and healthy imagine what he can do this year. He played 1 full game last season and got a kick return TD, 2 carries for 45 yards and a 5 yard catch. All in the Superbowl against the 2nd best team in the NFL. Jermaine Kaerse is playing absolutely amazing. Russell Wilson keeps on getting better. Not only that but C. Michael looks great. I don't think we will ever have a tired RB.

The reason we think they have a good chance to repeat is because are defense is unstoppable and our offense has looked amazing. I would like to add Eagles lost to Bears and Seahawks dismantled them.

Edit: I would like to add the Seahawks would beat the Eagles 8-9 times out of 10.

I'm confused? What metric is that link using? PFF has the Seahawks ranked as the 27th O-line in the NFL. Not to mention, one can hardly use Pro Bowls as an accolade for offensive linemen, since the Pro Bowl is voted on by America and the average voter couldn't name more than one or two. Actually, looking at that link, it's rating players who haven't even played an NFL snap yet, so that's hardly accurate. Those aren't even stats.

Also, you're wrong. The Eagles beat the Bears...and destroyed them:

Chicago Bears vs. Philadelphia Eagles - Recap - December 22, 2013 - ESPN (http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=331222021)

And no, not Top 5 yet. Like I named above, there are several more offenses that are more powerful. The thing that sets the Seahawks apart is their defense. I think you guys gave up about 14 PPG last year to opposing teams? Well every single offense in the NFL (including the Jags) last year averaged more points than that, so that defense makes it really convenient to win games.

I'm not arguing that the Eagles are better than the Seahawks. As an all-around unit, they're not. We play each other this year, and while I can hope we win, it seems very unlikely at this point (but we are probably one of the best-fit teams to beat the Seahawks). I'm just saying that having a good preseason doesn't mean you're SB bound.

[davdukes4]

As long as the 12th man is allowed to win Seattle 8 home games and home field advantage in the play offs they are going to be in great shape to return to the superbowl.

[superynaldo]

Can your QB do this???:)

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2014/08/wilsondance.gif

[Sooner]

Best defence in the league + strong running game + 12th man = should see them in the playoffs again.

Wilson is not a top 3 quarterback though. Not even close.

[BostonNut]

A rematch of last years SB is certainly possible. No one else (in preseason) looks to be on the same level.

Didn't watch the Pats castrate the Panthers last night huh?

[IronMonkey415]

Who care , that use to be the sonics city and now we have some PED pill popping, dreadlocks looking thugs taking over. People don't even remember the sonics anymore :-(

[IronMonkey415]

Yes I'm jealous

[kguye]

hmm, it looked the Super Bowl was that NFC Championship game. Certainly the best game of the playoffs last year

[Braswell10]

Everyone is coming in here and saying that their favorite team can beat the Seahawks...So, Chargers to the Super Bowl! :flex:.

[37Jetson]

By Week 10 we will all be talking about how overrated Russell Wilson is. Mark it down. Second Year QB's often have it tough when teams have an entire season to game plan them.

[jbmets95]

This will be his 3rd season...
By Week 10 we will all be talking about how overrated Russell Wilson is. Mark it down. Second Year QB's often have it tough when teams have an entire season to game plan them.

[ncluett]

By Week 10 we will all be talking about how overrated Russell Wilson is. Mark it down. Second Year QB's often have it tough when teams have an entire season to game plan them.

....um. He won the Super Bowl in his second year.

[jbmets95]

Ya... 2nd year QB's have it really really tough... Luck also... We can even count Kaep
....um. He won the Super Bowl in his second year.

[valleyofsun]

The amount of 'homerism' in this thread is mildly disturbing. Looks like there are going to be some folks completely shocked when the seachickens don't repeat this year. This is PRESEASON. Give me a break. :rolleyes:

[NeedChapmans]

Can I ask if there are any non-Washington based (or Seattle fans) that would select Russell Wilson as the most underrated QB, or the better QB between him and Andrew Luck?

Every single person I see on this forum who says Wilson is A and B above shows they're from Washington ...

[packerfan4200]

Can I ask if there are any non-Washington based (or Seattle fans) that would select Russell Wilson as the most underrated QB, or the better QB between him and Andrew Luck?

Every single person I see on this forum who says Wilson is A and B above shows they're from Washington ...

Yes, I believe that Russell Wilson is one of, if not the most underrated QB in the league. Russell is way more than capable of carrying a team by himself and as he matures and the team is built around him, he will prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt.

To answer your second question, I don't know who'll be the "better" QB when all is said and done, but I also think he has just as much potential to have a HOF career as Andrew Luck does.

[BostonNut]

Can I ask if there are any non-Washington based (or Seattle fans) that would select Russell Wilson as the most underrated QB, or the better QB between him and Andrew Luck?

Every single person I see on this forum who says Wilson is A and B above shows they're from Washington ...

Can Russell Wilson take over a game and win it all by himself? No.

Is Russell Wilson the perfect game manager in Seattle's system? Yes.

[packerfan4200]

Can Russell Wilson take over a game and win it all by himself? No.

Is Russell Wilson the perfect game manager in Seattle's system? Yes.

Wrong and wrong

[valleyofsun]

LOL!!! How is this wrong? And wrong? Seems just about right. And right to me.:coffee:

[jbmets95]

Completely agree

He would not be as good without the best defense and top 5 running game

Period

Can Russell Wilson take over a game and win it all by himself? No.

Is Russell Wilson the perfect game manager in Seattle's system? Yes.

[pejc300]

Completely agree

He would not be as good without the best defense and top 5 running game

Period

Just out of curiosity...name the last quarterback to win the Superbowl with a terrible defense and a terrible running game. By your definition Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Steve Young, and Troy Aikman are game managers....

[BostonNut]

Wrong and wrong

Show me the box scores of the games Wilson took over and won all by himself. I await with baited breath.

[freethrowtommy]

Just out of curiosity...name the last quarterback to win the Superbowl with a terrible defense and a terrible running game. By your definition Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Steve Young, and Troy Aikman are game managers....

There is a big difference between a good defense and a historically great defense.

Seattle probably had one of the greatest D of all time last season. A lot of those guys you listed had good defenses the year they won the Super Bowl. In fact, you would be hard pressed to find a team that didn't have at least a good defense. However, Seattle was up there with the 85 Bears and 00 Ravens.

I don't know about the rest of the guys, but the Packers had Starks at RB, who, while coming on strong in the playoffs, was a rookie. GB wasn't a powerhouse running team by any means. They were pretty subpar that year. Ryan Grant getting hurt early in the season hurt pretty bad.

[valleyofsun]

Just out of curiosity...name the last quarterback to win the Superbowl with a terrible defense and a terrible running game. By your definition Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Steve Young, and Troy Aikman are game managers....

Are u really comparing Wilson to these guys? Wilson is and always will be a GAME MANAGER. Are u trying to say every one of these teams that won a SB with one of these QB's had an incredible D?? Is this real life?? :confused:

[Chrisp253]

Well lets see... Only qb ever.. Yes only one.. Not manning, brady, rodgers, brees, marino, elway... To post 100+ passer ratings in his first 2 seasons... Tied with manning for 52 tds in first 2 seasons, only led by marino... Winningest 2nd year qb ever.. With or without playoffs leads both categories..

Lets go a different route tho.. He cant take over and win a game on his own huh? Well if you'd watched more of his games you'd realize why this is funny to us but heres a stat that counters your claims since you all seem to be in love with stats...

Can we all agree that a game winning drive is generally a qb taking over and leading his team to the w? Well wilson has had 10 game winning drives.. 8 of those being 4th quarter come backs.. 5 games in 2012.. And 5 in 2013... Seems like without those games seahawks dont make the playoffs.. Oh and lets put that into perspective.. The all mighty aaron rodgers has a total of... 10 in his career.. Yes hes tied with wilson despite his 8 year career to russell's 2 years... And just so you cant claim anything crazy Lets go a little deeper with this stat.. Manning has 51 and is the alltime leader.. His yearly avg.. 3.4 game winning drives.. How about brady.. 42 career total.. 3.2 per year avg.. Brees? 34.. 2.8 avg... Get the picture? Hes clutch and does infact takeover and win games for us.

You guys can take luck all day if you want and thats good with me.. Afterall he does lead wilson statistically in a few categories.. Attempts.. Completions.. Yards... Interceptions... Losses....... But hell so does a guy like tony romo.. Personally ill take the efficiency, clutch factor, and ofcourse the wins. You would think you guys so bound to statistics would take into account wilsons numbers in comparison to some of the all time greats early careers and imagine what they are possibly going to become...

[jbmets95]

Yes the ravens had a great defense but who led them??

Joe Flacco did... Had a career year...

Seattle was #1 in defense last year

Baltimore was #17 in defense when they won

Russ wilson had 3 TDs in the playoffs

Flacco had 11 TDs

Giants their 2nd superbowl run eli manning led them.... They had the #27 best defense and eli had 9 TDs

The packers were led by aaron rodgers

The saints led by Brees also...
Just out of curiosity...name the last quarterback to win the Superbowl with a terrible defense and a terrible running game. By your definition Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Steve Young, and Troy Aikman are game managers....

[davdukes4]

Are u really comparing Wilson to these guys? Wilson is and always will be a GAME MANAGER. Are u trying to say every one of these teams that won a SB with one of these QB's had an incredible D?? Is this real life?? :confused:

I think Wilson has been a game manager up to this point....
But to answer your question, most of them did have elite defenses the year they won the Super Bowl. Brady was a game manager when he won his three rings, pure and simple. While he developed into an elite quarterback, he hasn't won a ring since his defense started struggling. I would argue that he wasn't elite when he won his championships.

While it's highly unlikely, Wilson could be the next Brady.

[packerfan4200]

Show me the box scores of the games Wilson took over and won all by himself. I await with baited breath.

Sure not a problem bud, how about this game? Russell singlehandedly had this game won inside of 2 minutes and was let down by poor special teams and a few miscommunications in the secondary.

Seattle Seahawks vs. Atlanta Falcons - Box Score - January 13, 2013 - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=330113001)

[packerfan4200]

LOL!!! How is this wrong? And wrong? Seems just about right. And right to me.:coffee:

Who are you?

[BostonNut]

Sure not a problem bud, how about this game? Russell singlehandedly had this game won inside of 2 minutes and was let down by poor special teams and a few miscommunications in the secondary.

Seattle Seahawks vs. Atlanta Falcons - Box Score - January 13, 2013 - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=330113001)

LMAO....the Seahawks LOST that game!

Oh man....that made me laugh...

A for effort in your counter-point though...

[Grza]

*peeks head in..

*gets scalded by all the hot takes..

:special:

[FanboyOfNone]

I like Wilson. Great attitude. Solid playmaker.

As for the TEAM. The Seahawks D allowed about 14 points per game last year. Yes, it's been said already, but it really needs to sink in. Take away the Seahawks' offensive scores in the SB...they still had enough points to win via defense and Special Teams. And this was against the high powered Broncos offense.

"Merely" swap the Seahawks defense onto 6 or 7 teams last year, and they would have won the SB. The Cowboys put up 48 against the Broncos with the worst defense around. Hell, that game could have been 73 - 6 with the Seahawks D replacing the Cowboys D. The Cowboys could've won the SB...among a number of other teams.

Russell Wilson isn't underrated. The Seahawks defense apparently is. Because no matter what's said...Seahawks fans seemingly refuse to let their defense take majority credit for the SB run.

NFC Championship. Sherman isn't there for the pick? Could've easily been the 49ers in the SB again. (Let's keep in mind Wilson fumbled the first play of that game too.)

[Samiamryan]

Can your QB do this???:)

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2014/08/wilsondance.gif

You call those moves?

Can your QB do this????

http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac79/samiamryan/GIFs/peyton-manning-dancing_zps62563f91.gif (http://s887.photobucket.com/user/samiamryan/media/GIFs/peyton-manning-dancing_zps62563f91.gif.html)

[packerfan4200]

LMAO....the Seahawks LOST that game!

Oh man....that made me laugh...

A for effort in your counter-point though...

Ok you obviously can't be reasoned with so I won't even bother. Did you even click the link? Russell literally won that game himself. His vaunted defense let him down as my post stated. That is what you were asking for, a box score and you got one.

[GoHawks25]

This is my favorite TD's of last season. It shows how smart Russell Wilson is and it shows how accurate he can throw. Also if you want to see a game where Russell takes over check the link. Russell scores 3 TD's and sets up Hauschka for a game winning FG. Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs. Seattle Seahawks - Box Score - November 03, 2013 - ESPN (http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=331103026)
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e264/GoHawks03/wilson2_zpsf2b3bfde.gif (http://s41.photobucket.com/user/GoHawks03/media/wilson2_zpsf2b3bfde.gif.html)

[jbmets95]

Bang Bang Bang....
Exactly my point...

Wilson is not proven enough IMO

maybe on a team where he throws more i would think he is up there with the likes of Rodgers, Manning, Brees
I like Wilson. Great attitude. Solid playmaker.

As for the TEAM. The Seahawks D allowed about 14 points per game last year. Yes, it's been said already, but it really needs to sink in. Take away the Seahawks' offensive scores in the SB...they still had enough points to win via defense and Special Teams. And this was against the high powered Broncos offense.

"Merely" swap the Seahawks defense onto 6 or 7 teams last year, and they would have won the SB. The Cowboys put up 48 against the Broncos with the worst defense around. Hell, that game could have been 73 - 6 with the Seahawks D replacing the Cowboys D. The Cowboys could've won the SB...among a number of other teams.

Russell Wilson isn't underrated. The Seahawks defense apparently is. Because no matter what's said...Seahawks fans seemingly refuse to let their defense take majority credit for the SB run.

NFC Championship. Sherman isn't there for the pick? Could've easily been the 49ers in the SB again. (Let's keep in mind Wilson fumbled the first play of that game too.)

[GoHawks25]

Bang Bang Bang....
Exactly my point...

Wilson is not proven enough IMO

maybe on a team where he throws more i would think he is up there with the likes of Rodgers, Manning, Brees

Not proven enough? Russell Wilson's QBR is 100.6 in his 1st 2 years as a starter. Tom Brady's QBR in his 1st 2 seasons as a starter is 86.6. Aaron Rodgers QBR 1st 2 seasons as a starter 98.5. Peyton Manning's 1st 2 years as a starter QBR 84.2. Drew Brees 1st 2 seasons as a starter QBR 72.2. Not only that but Russell Wilson tied the record for most TD by a RC QB with 26. Also he has the record for most wins in first 2 seasons by a starting QB. Plus he has a Superbowl ring, 2x Pro-Bowl and most passing yards in a playoff game by a rookie.

[Chrisp253]

Well lets see... Only qb ever.. Yes only one.. Not manning, brady, rodgers, brees, marino, elway... To post 100+ passer ratings in his first 2 seasons... Tied with manning for 52 tds in first 2 seasons, only led by marino... Winningest 2nd year qb ever.. With or without playoffs leads both categories..

Lets go a different route tho.. He cant take over and win a game on his own huh? Well if you'd watched more of his games you'd realize why this is funny to us but heres a stat that counters your claims since you all seem to be in love with stats...

Can we all agree that a game winning drive is generally a qb taking over and leading his team to the w? Well wilson has had 10 game winning drives.. 8 of those being 4th quarter come backs.. 5 games in 2012.. And 5 in 2013... Seems like without those games seahawks dont make the playoffs.. Oh and lets put that into perspective.. The all mighty aaron rodgers has a total of... 10 in his career.. Yes hes tied with wilson despite his 8 year career to russell's 2 years... And just so you cant claim anything crazy Lets go a little deeper with this stat.. Manning has 51 and is the alltime leader.. His yearly avg.. 3.4 game winning drives.. How about brady.. 42 career total.. 3.2 per year avg.. Brees? 34.. 2.8 avg... Get the picture? Hes clutch and does infact takeover and win games for us.

You guys can take luck all day if you want and thats good with me.. Afterall he does lead wilson statistically in a few categories.. Attempts.. Completions.. Yards... Interceptions... Losses....... But hell so does a guy like tony romo.. Personally ill take the efficiency, clutch factor, and ofcourse the wins. You would think you guys so bound to statistics would take into account wilsons numbers in comparison to some of the all time greats early careers and imagine what they are possibly going to become...


No counters?

[squigsmx31]

Thats the great thing about football. Anybody has a chance at winning and a game can swing any way.

[jbmets95]

Ok i understand ur stats.... im sure i can find stats on each player that would make Wilson look silly also...
Im not even going to look but I would bet Rodgers has more TD's then Wilson the past 2 years while playing like 10 less games...
So would you rather have Wilson than Brady, Brees, Rodgers, and Manning??

Can you and other Hawks fans not acknowledge that having one of the best defenses EVER in NFL HISTORY (debatable) and a top 5 RB extremely helps the QB and takes pressure off?

Not proven enough? Russell Wilson's QBR is 100.6 in his 1st 2 years as a starter. Tom Brady's QBR in his 1st 2 seasons as a starter is 86.6. Aaron Rodgers QBR 1st 2 seasons as a starter 98.5. Peyton Manning's 1st 2 years as a starter QBR 84.2. Drew Brees 1st 2 seasons as a starter QBR 72.2. Not only that but Russell Wilson tied the record for most TD by a RC QB with 26. Also he has the record for most wins in first 2 seasons by a starting QB. Plus he has a Superbowl ring, 2x Pro-Bowl and most passing yards in a playoff game by a rookie.

[GoHawks25]

Ok i understand ur stats.... im sure i can find stats on each player that would make Wilson look silly also...
Im not even going to look but I would bet Rodgers has more TD's then Wilson the past 2 years while playing like 10 less games...
So would you rather have Wilson than Brady, Brees, Rodgers, and Manning??

Can you and other Hawks fans not acknowledge that having one of the best defenses EVER in NFL HISTORY (debatable) and a top 5 RB extremely helps the QB and takes pressure off?

If Russell Wilson keeps up his amazing stats for lets say 5 years I would rather have Wilson at QB then any other QB in the league. I would agree we have a historical defense that will go down as one if the best.

[Chrisp253]

Ok i understand ur stats.... im sure i can find stats on each player that would make Wilson look silly also...

Im not even going to look but I would bet Rodgers has more TD's then Wilson the past 2 years while playing like 10 less games...

So would you rather have Wilson than Brady, Brees, Rodgers, and Manning??



Can you and other Hawks fans not acknowledge that having one of the best defenses EVER in NFL HISTORY (debatable) and a top 5 RB extremely helps the QB and takes pressure off?


What were saying is at this point in his career he has established himself as a top tier qb i wouldnt say he is at the current level of brady, brees, or manning.. But they are completely developed and have years more experience. But if you look at the stats and his play.. He has established himself as the best 2 year qb in the history of the game. So with all his skills and his football iq.. Why cant he develop into an elite top 3 qb in the next few years?

The other thing that is just completely stupid is people calling him a game manager.. Ok he has a great defense.. Lucky wilson... But that doesnt change the fact that he has been the most productive 2 year qb in the history of the game.

[GoHawks25]

What were saying is at this point in his career he has established himself as a top tier qb i wouldnt say he is at the current level of brady, brees, or manning.. But they are completely developed and have years more experience. But if you look at the stats and his play.. He has established himself as the best 2 year qb in the history of the game. So with all his skills and his football iq.. Why cant he develop into an elite top 3 qb in the next few years?

The other thing that is just completely stupid is people calling him a game manager.. Ok he has a great defense.. Lucky wilson... But that doesnt change the fact that he has been the most productive 2 year qb in the history of the game.

Agree 110%. He has had the best 2 years as a QB of all time. And people are still doubting him?

[BostonNut]

Ok you obviously can't be reasoned with so I won't even bother. Did you even click the link? Russell literally won that game himself. His vaunted defense let him down as my post stated. That is what you were asking for, a box score and you got one.

A box score of a game Wilson WON. WON. Not Lost. WON.

By your accounts Brady should have two more rings, because both times he gave the Pats the lead with 2 minutes left...

[Chrisp253]

A box score of a game Wilson WON. WON. Not Lost. WON.



By your accounts Brady should have two more rings, because both times he gave the Pats the lead with 2 minutes left...


I like how you have conveniently ignored my game winning drives post. Brady wasnt as good as wilson in his first 2 years and it took him years to develop into what he now is.. Hell it took an injury to get him the start early in his career.. So basically russell wilson has a jump start on him.

[BostonNut]

I like how you have conveniently ignored my game winning drives post. Brady wasnt as good as wilson in his first 2 years and it took him years to develop into what he now is.. Hell it took an injury to get him the start early in his career.. So basically russell wilson has a jump start on him.

I agree. Wilson > Brady.

[Chrisp253]

I agree. Wilson > Brady.


So it has become pretty clear youre not very smart or just trolling. Either way no point in having a sports convo with you anymore as its a waste of time. Have a good day.

[packerfan4200]

So it has become pretty clear youre not very smart or just trolling. Either way no point in having a sports convo with you anymore as its a waste of time. Have a good day.

Was just about to say this....thanks for saving me the time chris

[davdukes4]

Well lets see... Only qb ever.. Yes only one.. Not manning, brady, rodgers, brees, marino, elway... To post 100+ passer ratings in his first 2 seasons... Tied with manning for 52 tds in first 2 seasons, only led by marino... Winningest 2nd year qb ever.. With or without playoffs leads both categories..

Lets go a different route tho.. He cant take over and win a game on his own huh? Well if you'd watched more of his games you'd realize why this is funny to us but heres a stat that counters your claims since you all seem to be in love with stats...

Can we all agree that a game winning drive is generally a qb taking over and leading his team to the w? Well wilson has had 10 game winning drives.. 8 of those being 4th quarter come backs.. 5 games in 2012.. And 5 in 2013... Seems like without those games seahawks dont make the playoffs.. Oh and lets put that into perspective.. The all mighty aaron rodgers has a total of... 10 in his career.. Yes hes tied with wilson despite his 8 year career to russell's 2 years... And just so you cant claim anything crazy Lets go a little deeper with this stat.. Manning has 51 and is the alltime leader.. His yearly avg.. 3.4 game winning drives.. How about brady.. 42 career total.. 3.2 per year avg.. Brees? 34.. 2.8 avg... Get the picture? Hes clutch and does infact takeover and win games for us.

You guys can take luck all day if you want and thats good with me.. Afterall he does lead wilson statistically in a few categories.. Attempts.. Completions.. Yards... Interceptions... Losses....... But hell so does a guy like tony romo.. Personally ill take the efficiency, clutch factor, and ofcourse the wins. You would think you guys so bound to statistics would take into account wilsons numbers in comparison to some of the all time greats early careers and imagine what they are possibly going to become...

You can't compare year one and two stats with any of those guys. Today's NFL is designed for quarterbacks to throw for 4000 yards and 100 qbr. It is only going to get 'worse' from here on out.

Do you want to know who the top three all time passing touchdown leaders are through three seasons? Dan Marino, Peyton Manning, Andy Dalton...
Dalton has also lead his team to the playoffs all three seasons. Are we gonna sit here and pretend that Andy Dalton is anything more than an average quarterback? But by the stats and by the 3 playoff appearances he must be pretty special.

Get real.

[GoHawks25]

You can't compare year one and two stats with any of those guys. Today's NFL is designed for quarterbacks to throw for 4000 yards and 100 qbr. It is only going to get 'worse' from here on out.

Do you want to know who the top three all time passing touchdown leaders are through three seasons? Dan Marino, Peyton Manning, Andy Dalton...
Dalton has also lead his team to the playoffs all three seasons. Are we gonna sit here and pretend that Andy Dalton is anything more than an average quarterback? But by the stats and by the 3 playoff appearances he must be pretty special.

Get real.

Can you read? He is comparing Russell Wilson's first 2 year stats with elite QB's first 2 year stats. He isn't comparing Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Manning's career stats Vs. Russell Wilson's first 2 year stats. Russell Wilson has the best stats for the first 2 years as a QB in the NFL.

[davdukes4]

Can you read? He is comparing Russell Wilson's first 2 year stats with elite QB's first 2 year stats. He isn't comparing Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Manning's career stats Vs. Russell Wilson's first 2 year stats. Russell Wilson has the best stats for the first 2 years as a QB in the NFL.

Let me clarify this for you. You can't compare any of those qbs year one or two stats with Russell Wilsons year one or two stats.

I'm not sure why people can't comprehend the difference between todays game and the game 15+ years ago. You understand the reasoning behind the referees throwing all those flags in pre-season right?

[Chrisp253]

Let me clarify this for you. You can't compare any of those qbs year one or two stats with Russell Wilsons year one or two stats.



I'm not sure why people can't comprehend the difference between todays game and the game 15+ years ago. You understand the reasoning behind the referees throwing all those flags in pre-season right?


Id disagree... Game has evolved as well as the players and the manner in which theyre introduced. Russ started playing right out of the gate and has played in a division of some of the best defenses in the league that play an earlier rough neck style.. Beyond that qbs used to sit and learn for a few seasons for the most part.. Like rodgers behind favre.. So the fact that russ came right into the league and it only took a few games for him to get acclimated and start doin work..

Honestly i just think this is in general a terrible argument tho.. The stats change with the evolution of the game but it is still known as the nfl and players have had to evolve to play in todays games.. Theres a lot of players who had long careers in years past that couldnt hack it on one of todays practice squads because todays players are bigger.. Faster.. Stronger.. And more talented.. Being brought up since they were little kids playing and going to camps etc..

So ill call bullshot on that argument.

[BostonNut]

You can't compare year one and two stats with any of those guys. Today's NFL is designed for quarterbacks to throw for 4000 yards and 100 qbr. It is only going to get 'worse' from here on out.

Do you want to know who the top three all time passing touchdown leaders are through three seasons? Dan Marino, Peyton Manning, Andy Dalton...
Dalton has also lead his team to the playoffs all three seasons. Are we gonna sit here and pretend that Andy Dalton is anything more than an average quarterback? But by the stats and by the 3 playoff appearances he must be pretty special.

Get real.

It's hopeless.

I forgot how hard it is to reason with these new Seattle fans. You'd have thought I would have remembered how terrible it was last year...

[ninjacookies]

Winning back to back titles in this day and age of free agency is next to near impossible, so I've tempered my expectations. I'd love for it to happen, but it's just incredibly difficult.

That being said, I'm beyond excited to see what Russ can do with a legitimate '1' receiver in Harvin this year. And no...Tate was never a number 1 receiver. I think it's going to really break him out statistically, barring any injury (I jinxed it, didn't I).

I'm not too worried about the defense. But teams like the Packers, Saints, and 49ers will all be contending for that nfc crown. Key is for seattle to go for that homefield advantage. I think if they wrap it up again, the road to the superbowl is all but ours.

[davdukes4]

Id disagree... Game has evolved as well as the players and the manner in which theyre introduced. Russ started playing right out of the gate and has played in a division of some of the best defenses in the league that play an earlier rough neck style.. Beyond that qbs used to sit and learn for a few seasons for the most part.. Like rodgers behind favre.. So the fact that russ came right into the league and it only took a few games for him to get acclimated and start doin work..

Honestly i just think this is in general a terrible argument tho.. The stats change with the evolution of the game but it is still known as the nfl and players have had to evolve to play in todays games.. Theres a lot of players who had long careers in years past that couldnt hack it on one of todays practice squads because todays players are bigger.. Faster.. Stronger.. And more talented.. Being brought up since they were little kids playing and going to camps etc..

So ill call bullshot on that argument.

Players have to evolve...aka defenders aren't allowed to play tight defense or hit anyone. I think you are really missing the impact of the rule changes.

I also think you are underestimating the value of being a quarterback on a team with an elite defense, an elite coach and an elite runningback. Even though I think Wilson is a very good young quarterback imo you could have put half of the starting quarterbacks in the nfl on the seahawks last year and they would have been the best team in football.

[ChasescardCave]

I've looked at this whole thread and all that I can conclude is that an argument isn't valid if it's only Seahawks fans making the argument.
I think that Wilson is very good. But, the ONLY reason he has amazing stats and win % in his first two years is because of three things:
A very consistent O line
Marshawn lynch
Amazing defense
Again, I think that Russ is very good, but he'll never be a top 5 nfl qb starter.
*drops microphone and leaves*

[davdukes4]

I've looked at this whole thread and all that I can conclude is that an argument isn't valid if it's only Seahawks fans making the argument.
I think that Wilson is very good. But, the ONLY reason he has amazing stats and win % in his first two years is because of three things:
A very consistent O line
Marshawn lynch
Amazing defense
Again, I think that Russ is very good, but he'll never be a top 5 nfl qb starter.
*drops microphone and leaves*

I think he can be...once Manning, Brees and Brady retire. Rivers, Big Ben and Romo will be aging. In 3 or 4 years we are looking at:

Rodgers
Luck
Ryan
Stafford
Newton
RG3
Foles

Wilson can make it into that group. He might even be near the top of that group.

[titletowncards]

I remember asking this same question about my 2011 Green Bay Packers.

[k13]

Because Niners beat them.

[GoHawks25]

Also, you're wrong. The Eagles beat the Bears...and destroyed them:




Last I checked we are all talking about 2014.
Philadelphia Eagles vs. Chicago Bears - Recap - August 08, 2014 - ESPN (http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=400554719)

[lagalaxyfan23]

Last I checked we are all talking about 2014.
Philadelphia Eagles vs. Chicago Bears - Recap - August 08, 2014 - ESPN (http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=400554719)


LOL preseason okay. If preseason actually meant anything more than ticket sales, then maybe you'd have a point. I'm talking regular season, which last time I checked is what you have to do well in to get to playoffs.

[Chrisp253]

I've looked at this whole thread and all that I can conclude is that an argument isn't valid if it's only Seahawks fans making the argument.
I think that Wilson is very good. But, the ONLY reason he has amazing stats and win % in his first two years is because of three things:




A very consistent O line





Marshawn lynch
Amazing defense
Again, I think that Russ is very good, but he'll never be a top 5 nfl qb starter.
*drops microphone and leaves*


Hold the phone...


See this is what im talking about.. If you think seattle has had a consistent o line the first 2 years of russ's career you either have never watched a seahawks game in 2012/2013 seasons.. Or you know absolutely nothing about the game.

Seahawks have literally had one of the worst o lines in football the past 2 years.. Have not had any kind of continuity.. And probably allowed more pressure on the qb than 75-85 percent of the league. Russ has not had an o line infront of him that could pass protect to save their lives his entire time here... But this year word is he might.

[Chrisp253]

It's hopeless.



I forgot how hard it is to reason with these new Seattle fans. You'd have thought I would have remembered how terrible it was last year...


And you.. Go back to your bridge. Im not one of the old collectors on here but at the age of 30 i think i can say ive been a fan long enough to write trolls like you off completely.

This was my first stuffed toy i got as a baby..

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/08/23/86932da729da1afe10b01de15384f930.jpg

You can kick rocks now

[ninjacookies]

Hold the phone...


See this is what im talking about.. If you think seattle has had a consistent o line the first 2 years of russ's career you either have never watched a seahawks game in 2012/2013 seasons.. Or you know absolutely nothing about the game.

Seahawks have literally had one of the worst o lines in football the past 2 years.. Have not had any kind of continuity.. And probably allowed more pressure on the qb than 75-85 percent of the league. Russ has not had an o line infront of him that could pass protect to save their lives his entire time here... But this year word is he might.


I stopped reading right when I saw his cute little tidbit about our offensive line.

There's a fine difference between making a point, and completely talking out of your ass. Which is apparently what a lot of seattle 'haters' do nowadays.


Though I do really miss the

http://i.imgur.com/ZlaoR0K.jpg

rebuttals from yesteryear.

[Hawksmack]

I think he can be...once Manning, Brees and Brady retire. Rivers, Big Ben and Romo will be aging. In 3 or 4 years we are looking at:

Rodgers
Luck
Ryan
Stafford
Newton
RG3
Foles

Wilson can make it into that group. He might even be near the top of that group.

Is this real life?

[freethrowtommy]

In this thread are...
- Haters of Russell Wilson
- Butt hurt fans of Russell Wilson

Am I missing anything?

[BostonNut]

And you.. Go back to your bridge. Im not one of the old collectors on here but at the age of 30 i think i can say ive been a fan long enough to write trolls like you off completely.

This was my first stuffed toy i got as a baby..

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/08/23/86932da729da1afe10b01de15384f930.jpg

You can kick rocks now

So....just so I'm clear...I ask for a box score from a game that Russell Wilson took over and WON by himself, and nobody could provide one and I get labeled a troll.

I agree with you that Wilson is better than Brady was at the same point in their career and I get labeled a troll.

What am I missing here? :confused:

[FanboyOfNone]

Not proven enough? Russell Wilson's QBR is 100.6 in his 1st 2 years as a starter. Tom Brady's QBR in his 1st 2 seasons as a starter is 86.6. Aaron Rodgers QBR 1st 2 seasons as a starter 98.5. Peyton Manning's 1st 2 years as a starter QBR 84.2. Drew Brees 1st 2 seasons as a starter QBR 72.2. Not only that but Russell Wilson tied the record for most TD by a RC QB with 26. Also he has the record for most wins in first 2 seasons by a starting QB. Plus he has a Superbowl ring, 2x Pro-Bowl and most passing yards in a playoff game by a rookie.

-Nick Foles is at 101.0 over his first two seasons. RG3's at 91.5 so far. No one from the 2012 class is "proven enough" yet. It's been only two years.

-SB ring and most wins in his first two seasons as a starting QB? Those are team stats, which include a 2012 and 2013 defense which was 1st in points allowed at 15.3 and 14.4 respectively. Hey, Wikipedia. Help me out here. Seattle had the NFL's top defense, leading the NFL in fewest yards allowed per game (273.6), fewest points allowed (231), and most takeaways (39). They were the first team since the 1985 Chicago Bears to lead the league in all three categories.[39] The Seahawks were also the fourth team to lead the NFL in interceptions and fewest passing yards allowed; all four teams reached the Super Bowl. (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XLVIII#Seattle_Seahawks) First defense in 28 years to do all that? Impressive.

-SB specifically? The Broncos scored 8 whole points. Malcolm Smith was the Super Bowl MVP, the first time since 2003 the honor didn't go to a QB or WR. He had a pick six, a recovered fumble, and a bunch of tackles.

-Most TDs by a rookie and most rookie passing yards in a playoff game...those are "individual achievements." I'd say these are valid points.



Summary. Russell Wilson has a great work ethic, great attitude. He's been obviously efficient on the 200 yards a game he's asked to throw. Good stats so far in his development, but...

Fans want to crown him too soon. Detractors want to see if he can keep it up, and they really wonder how he'd look on a marginal team, let alone a bad team. What happens in five years when that defense regresses significantly? Once he doesn't have a top RB in the backfield?

These are questions that can only be answered with time. His career has barely began.

[pejc300]

-Nick Foles is at 101.0 over his first two seasons. RG3's at 91.5 so far. No one from the 2012 class is "proven enough" yet. It's been only two years.

-SB ring and most wins in his first two seasons as a starting QB? Those are team stats, which include a 2012 and 2013 defense which was 1st in points allowed at 15.3 and 14.4 respectively. Hey, Wikipedia. Help me out here. Seattle had the NFL's top defense, leading the NFL in fewest yards allowed per game (273.6), fewest points allowed (231), and most takeaways (39). They were the first team since the 1985 Chicago Bears to lead the league in all three categories.[39] The Seahawks were also the fourth team to lead the NFL in interceptions and fewest passing yards allowed; all four teams reached the Super Bowl. (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XLVIII#Seattle_Seahawks) First defense in 28 years to do all that? Impressive.

-SB specifically? The Broncos scored 8 whole points. Malcolm Smith was the Super Bowl MVP, the first time since 2003 the honor didn't go to a QB or WR. He had a pick six, a recovered fumble, and a bunch of tackles.

-Most TDs by a rookie and most rookie passing yards in a playoff game...those are "individual achievements." I'd say these are valid points.



Summary. Russell Wilson has a great work ethic, great attitude. He's been obviously efficient on the 200 yards a game he's asked to throw. Good stats so far in his development, but...

Fans want to crown him too soon. Detractors want to see if he can keep it up, and they really wonder how he'd look on a marginal team, let alone a bad team. What happens in five years when that defense regresses significantly? Once he doesn't have a top RB in the backfield? (Bonus: What would his win total be and how many SB rings would he have...if he were drafted to the 2012 Jaguars/Browns/Raiders? How many rookie records could he get from those situations? :p )

These are questions that can only be answered with time. His career has barely began.



Acutally, these are questions that will never be answered since he wasn't drafted by those teams...unless you have a hot tub time machine or something...

[FanboyOfNone]

Acutally, these are questions that will never be answered since he wasn't drafted by those teams...unless you have a hot tub time machine or something...

I put that part in parentheses as stray, fun, bonus hypotheticals.

Edited out to focus on the main points...(and because my Hot Tub Time Machine is out for repairs :( )

[NeedChapmans]

Hold the phone...


See this is what im talking about.. If you think seattle has had a consistent o line the first 2 years of russ's career you either have never watched a seahawks game in 2012/2013 seasons.. Or you know absolutely nothing about the game.

Seahawks have literally had one of the worst o lines in football the past 2 years.. Have not had any kind of continuity.. And probably allowed more pressure on the qb than 75-85 percent of the league. Russ has not had an o line infront of him that could pass protect to save their lives his entire time here... But this year word is he might.

Well, when 40% of your offense line makes the pro-bowl in 2012 and 2013, it's hard to say "worst offensive lines". Especially when your center, Max Unger, is regarded as the best in the NFL.

Let's call a spade a spade here. Russell Wilson has high "hit" numbers because he holds the ball longer than just about any other QB in the NFL and while he can make some pretty spectacular plays when running around in the backfield, it does lead to a lot of hits (and not necessarily a knock on the O-Line).

[dbrown]

Well, when 40% of your offense line makes the pro-bowl in 2012 and 2013

You do realize that fans vote for the pro bowl right? It's not the most accurate way of determining an all star player. When all of Seattle vote 40+ times for their favorite players there's a good chance they'll make the team regardless of how they play.

Ex. Jeff Staurday for the Packers in 2012

[NeedChapmans]

You do realize that fans vote for the pro bowl right? It's not the most accurate way of determining an all star player. When all of Seattle vote 40+ times for their favorite players there's a good chance they'll make the team regardless of how they play.

Ex. Jeff Staurday for the Packers in 2012

That has no bearing on the fact that Max Unger and Russell Okung are regarded as two of the best offensive lineman in the NFL, by just about anyone.

And fans only make up 33% of the votes. Players and coaches make up the other two-thirds; suggesting that Seattle still has two of the best five offensive lineman in all the NFC (something no other team has).

[Cades]

Its possible, just so hard to repeat in any sport, plenty of teams got better in the offseason

[Chrisp253]

That has no bearing on the fact that Max Unger and Russell Okung are regarded as two of the best offensive lineman in the NFL, by just about anyone.



And fans only make up 33% of the votes. Players and coaches make up the other two-thirds; suggesting that Seattle still has two of the best five offensive lineman in all the NFC (something no other team has).


Unger is an all pro but where have you heard okung regarded as one of the best in the nfl? Up to this point the guy hasnt stayed healthy enough to play anywhere near that level.. You realize he missed the final 8 games last season? And regardless if you have an all pro center and a good left tackle who still gets beat cuz his wheels are constantly hurt.. That doesnt mean your line is anywhere close to good.. Our line has had more turnover than i bet 80-90 percent of the league in the past 2 seasons. An o line is only as good as it functions as a unit.. Individual skills wont get ya anywhere when theres glaring holes in 3 other places.


The simple solution would be for you to go back and watch games from 2012 and 2013 where russ literally gets the snap and has to bail half the time.. But if you had been interested in formulating an opinion based on facts than you would never had claimed russ has benefitted from a consistant o line..

[NeedChapmans]

Unger is an all pro but where have you heard okung regarded as one of the best in the nfl? Up to this point the guy hasnt stayed healthy enough to play anywhere near that level.. You realize he missed the final 8 games last season? And regardless if you have an all pro center and a good left tackle who still gets beat cuz his wheels are constantly hurt.. That doesnt mean your line is anywhere close to good.. Our line has had more turnover than i bet 80-90 percent of the league in the past 2 seasons. An o line is only as good as it functions as a unit.. Individual skills wont get ya anywhere when theres glaring holes in 3 other places.


The simple solution would be for you to go back and watch games from 2012 and 2013 where russ literally gets the snap and has to bail half the time.. But if you had been interested in formulating an opinion based on facts than you would never had claimed russ has benefitted from a consistant o line..

Sir, I've watched every snap of Seattle Seahawks football for the last two years, probably every game 3 times over. I find it comical that you and other Seahawks fans point to the offensive line as "terrible" when it has all-pros and one of the best rushing attacks in football. Perhaps you should watch the games again, you'll find Russell Wilson not picking up blitz after blitz, and instead of throwing the ball away, or to the hot route, he runs arounds a bit. The majority of his sacks the last two years have come from his own doing, not the "terrible" offensive line's.

Start with the San Francisco / Seattle playoff game and work backwards. You should see what I mean just in the last two playoff games.

[Hawksmack]

Sir, I've watched every snap of Seattle Seahawks football for the last two years, probably every game 3 times over. I find it comical that you and other Seahawks fans point to the offensive line as "terrible" when it has all-pros and one of the best rushing attacks in football. Perhaps you should watch the games again, you'll find Russell Wilson not picking up blitz after blitz, and instead of throwing the ball away, or to the hot route, he runs arounds a bit. The majority of his sacks the last two years have come from his own doing, not the "terrible" offensive line's.

Start with the San Francisco / Seattle playoff game and work backwards. You should see what I mean just in the last two playoff games.

I have a quote that says you watched 3 games last year and they were against the Colts, Niners and Cards. Now your saying you watched every game for the last two years. I find that comical. I've watched every snap twice the last few seasons. Its pointless to argue who the best is especially this day and age. The game is evolving and I believe its harder to play in the league for longer periods of time. I'm not sure who the best is yet but I can tell you Wilson is special. And the MVP of our team. If you watched every game who played right and left takle last year when ours went down with injuries?

[Chrisp253]

I have a quote that says you watched 3 games last year and they were against the Colts, Niners and Cards. Now your saying you watched every game for the last two years. I find that comical. I've watched every snap twice the last few seasons. Its pointless to argue who the best is especially this day and age. The game is evolving and I believe its harder to play in the league for longer periods of time. I'm not sure who the best is yet but I can tell you Wilson is special. And the MVP of our team. If you watched every game who played right and left takle last year when ours went down with injuries?


Hahaha thats hilarious. Caught in a lie. Its just a really dumb argument. Anyone who watches our games would see how unique and special he is.. Undeniable skill set and football iq.

[NeedChapmans]

I have a quote that says you watched 3 games last year and they were against the Colts, Niners and Cards. Now your saying you watched every game for the last two years. I find that comical. I've watched every snap twice the last few seasons. Its pointless to argue who the best is especially this day and age. The game is evolving and I believe its harder to play in the league for longer periods of time. I'm not sure who the best is yet but I can tell you Wilson is special. And the MVP of our team. If you watched every game who played right and left takle last year when ours went down with injuries?

Hahaha thats hilarious. Caught in a lie. Its just a really dumb argument. Anyone who watches our games would see how unique and special he is.. Undeniable skill set and football iq.

That quote was months ago. All that chatter about Russell Wilson, what do you think I've been doing this summer?

Wilson, Kaepernick and Bortles have been the focus; and I don't like what I saw from the first two in terms of a "buying" standpoint. And I agree with you that Wilson is very good, Wilson is special but the purpose of these posts was to debate the Offensive line, not Russell Wilson.

And the offensive line has been well above average.

[GoHawks25]

He can really make a broken play into a first down/touchdown. See it all the time. Sorry for some reason I can't upload this but check the link. How many QB's can do this? Not only be able to scramble but make the throw on the run, have amazing vision and accuracy.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iBx78m_CrtI/UnbWlENqyrI/AAAAAAAADPU/3zmT4DHqBoQ/s1600/russ1.gif

[Chrisp253]

That quote was months ago. All that chatter about Russell Wilson, what do you think I've been doing this summer?

Wilson, Kaepernick and Bortles have been the focus; and I don't like what I saw from the first two in terms of a "buying" standpoint. And I agree with you that Wilson is very good, Wilson is special but the purpose of these posts was to debate the Offensive line, not Russell Wilson.

And the offensive line has been well above average.


No it simply has not. The run blocking was decent the pass protection was some of the worst in the league. And i highly doubt you spent the last couple months watching every down of the past 2 seasons.. 3 times over. If were gona make ridiculous claims.. I went to training camp and had a sit down with pete in the film room and went over everytime he advanced to far onto the field during games just to make sure he didnt draw any penalty flags this year.

[DieselPack1996]

What I dont understand about the seahawks is how they will like starting off 0-1

[NeedChapmans]

No it simply has not. The run blocking was decent the pass protection was some of the worst in the league. And i highly doubt you spent the last couple months watching every down of the past 2 seasons.. 3 times over. If were gona make ridiculous claims.. I went to training camp and had a sit down with pete in the film room and went over everytime he advanced to far onto the field during games just to make sure he didnt draw any penalty flags this year.

Can't even give credit to the run blocking when they were 4th in the NFL for total rushing yards?

You're more than welcome to come over any day you'd like ... NFL is on all day and MLB is on all night. Bring your own beer.

[GoHawks25]

What I dont understand about the seahawks is how they will like starting off 0-1

I don't think that will happen :special:

[freethrowtommy]

What I dont understand about the seahawks is how they will like starting off 0-1

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/173/164/nailed_it_RE_20th_Century_fox_theme_on_flute-s240x320-227191.jpg

[purejd86p]

In this thread are...
- Haters of Russell Wilson
- Butt hurt fans of Russell Wilson

Am I missing anything?

Not a thing!

[GoHawks25]

In this thread are...
- Haters of Russell Wilson
- Butt hurt fans of Russell Wilson

Am I missing anything?

Why would we be butt hurt? We got a Superbowl winning QB who has proven himself as the best 2 year RC QB of all time.

[pejc300]

Since I started this thread I'll chime in. I think people are gonna be shocked this year when they see Russell. What I like best about him is his decision-making. He is so good about making the right read, or extended the play, or running when necessary. I expect him to have less than 10 picks this year. They have such an incredible mix of run/pass right now that I just don't think it will be stopped. And I think you're gonna see a lot of Turbin/Michael action. It's a 3 headed monster, and as soon as the defense creeps up in the box - bam, big play to Harvin, Kearse, or Baldwin.

I guess he's a game manager, but he's the absolute best at it. It's crazy how people call Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, and Drew Brees "the best quarterbacks" and yet they suck in big games. I love Aaron Rodgers but seriously...the guy has not carried his team in the last 3 seasons to anything. He had multiple chances to beat the 49ers in the playoffs last year and couldn't (they need to get rid of McCarthy..that guy is wasting Rodger' prime years). We all saw what happened to Manning last year (and the previous years). I like Brady, but we're going on 9 years since a SB win.

I guess when we talk about great QB's I'd rather have a guy who wins then a guy who puts up huge numbers. I think a few years from now when Russell has 2 or 3 rings he'll get some love (maybe not). At least I hope so.

[freethrowtommy]

Since I started this thread I'll chime in. I think people are gonna be shocked this year when they see Russell. What I like best about him is his decision-making. He is so good about making the right read, or extended the play, or running when necessary. I expect him to have less than 10 picks this year. They have such an incredible mix of run/pass right now that I just don't think it will be stopped. And I think you're gonna see a lot of Turbin/Michael action. It's a 3 headed monster, and as soon as the defense creeps up in the box - bam, big play to Harvin, Kearse, or Baldwin.

I guess he's a game manager, but he's the absolute best at it. It's crazy how people call Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, and Drew Brees "the best quarterbacks" and yet they suck in big games. I love Aaron Rodgers but seriously...the guy has not carried his team in the last 3 seasons to anything. He had multiple chances to beat the 49ers in the playoffs last year and couldn't (they need to get rid of McCarthy..that guy is wasting Rodger' prime years). We all saw what happened to Manning last year (and the previous years). I like Brady, but we're going on 9 years since a SB win.

I guess when we talk about great QB's I'd rather have a guy who wins then a guy who puts up huge numbers. I think a few years from now when Russell has 2 or 3 rings he'll get some love (maybe not). At least I hope so.

When Seattle has to pay Russell $20 million per season and the amazing pieces he has around him start to want more money and have to be let go, we will see how good Wilson truly is. The best QBs in the league have done it for years with rotating players around them, making the playoffs time after time. It is hard to win a Super Bowl... only 1 out of 32 teams can do it any given year.

I am not saying Wilson is impressive, but he will need to do it for more than 2 years with the best supporting cast in the league.

[Cades]

Since I started this thread I'll chime in. I think people are gonna be shocked this year when they see Russell. What I like best about him is his decision-making. He is so good about making the right read, or extended the play, or running when necessary. I expect him to have less than 10 picks this year. They have such an incredible mix of run/pass right now that I just don't think it will be stopped. And I think you're gonna see a lot of Turbin/Michael action. It's a 3 headed monster, and as soon as the defense creeps up in the box - bam, big play to Harvin, Kearse, or Baldwin.

I guess he's a game manager, but he's the absolute best at it. It's crazy how people call Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, and Drew Brees "the best quarterbacks" and yet they suck in big games. I love Aaron Rodgers but seriously...the guy has not carried his team in the last 3 seasons to anything. He had multiple chances to beat the 49ers in the playoffs last year and couldn't (they need to get rid of McCarthy..that guy is wasting Rodger' prime years). We all saw what happened to Manning last year (and the previous years). I like Brady, but we're going on 9 years since a SB win.

I guess when we talk about great QB's I'd rather have a guy who wins then a guy who puts up huge numbers. I think a few years from now when Russell has 2 or 3 rings he'll get some love (maybe not). At least I hope so.

And what if wilson doesn't get another in 9 years?

[pejc300]

When Seattle has to pay Russell $20 million per season and the amazing pieces he has around him start to want more money and have to be let go, we will see how good Wilson truly is. The best QBs in the league have done it for years with rotating players around them, making the playoffs time after time. It is hard to win a Super Bowl... only 1 out of 32 teams can do it any given year.

I am not saying Wilson is impressive, but he will need to do it for more than 2 years with the best supporting cast in the league.

I agree with you here. Valid points. And I think this is why Rodgers, Brees, and Brady have all suffered. There is this small part of me that really, really hopes Russell will take like 17 million a year or something instead of 22 million because he wants to keep the winning going, but I don't think even he is that good of a guy. I was listening to the radio the other day and they said Microsoft should just sign him to like a 20 million per year endorsement deal and then he could "settle" for a 15 million contract for Seattle. I'm sure there's league rules about that but seems like a good way to go.

For the record I am a big fan of Rodgers, Brees, Manning, and Brady. I think they are all class acts and some of the best to throw the ball ever. I'm just surprised with their talent that none of them have been good enough to put together a SB win in the last few years.

[ajlaxmn]

Why would we be butt hurt? We got a Superbowl winning QB who has proven himself as the best 2 year RC QB of all time.

You mean Super Bowl winning team. A lot of QBs could take that team to the Super Bowl. To help answer questions about how much a QB can help a team I always think of this question, "if he suddenly became the QB for the jaguars, how good would he be?"

Just food for thought.

[ninjacookies]

When Seattle has to pay Russell $20 million per season and the amazing pieces he has around him start to want more money and have to be let go, we will see how good Wilson truly is. The best QBs in the league have done it for years with rotating players around them, making the playoffs time after time. It is hard to win a Super Bowl... only 1 out of 32 teams can do it any given year.

I am not saying Wilson is impressive, but he will need to do it for more than 2 years with the best supporting cast in the league.

I agree.

But as a fan, I think I take comfort in knowing that he put up those record setting efficient numbers his first two years without a true '1' receiver. Harvin basically never played, Rice missed most of the year last year, and he basically only had Tate and Kearse as his primaries.

If he would have had someone like AJ Green at his disposal, then I think his numbers would speak to an even sweeter tune.

Really interested to see how he does with Harvin starting from the get go. And although I love BeastMode and all he's done for our city, I have a feeling with Wilson getting his upcoming contract that we won't be seeing Marshawn around for too much longer. Just the nature of the game and financial restructuring. But it'll also show exactly what Russ is made of when it happens.



The 'but he has the best defense in the world' thing gets a bit tiring. Yes, the defense plays a huge part in victories, but the defensive players aren't the ones on the field throwing the passes and putting up high completion numbers and directing the offensive end. The defense is doing their job, and Russ is doing more than admirable doing his own job. And no, I don't agree that you could just plug and play any [arbitrary qb here] and they could have still won the super bowl. Wilson also has one of the top stats for 'game winning drives' over the past two years along with...you guessed it...Andrew Luck.

More than half our starting offensive line missed majority of the regular season last year (I believe at one point we had only 1 starter in the lineup) which accounted to the pocket collapsing immediately on a great number of plays. But Wilson is, IMO, the best scrambling QB maybe only second to Aaron Rodgers in terms of not only his ability to run, but innate ability to feel out blindside pressure and extend plays when it seems impossible. There are many qb's nowadays that can turn on the jets and run a 4.5 40, but less than a handful that can actually use it effectively and have eyes in the back of their head. Wilson is one of them.

He is NOT the Trent Dilfer some like to make him out to be (which is absolutely absurd).

[GoHawks25]

He can really make a broken play into a first down/touchdown. See it all the time. Sorry for some reason I can't upload this but check the link. How many QB's can do this? Not only be able to scramble but make the throw on the run, have amazing vision and accuracy.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iBx78m_CrtI/UnbWlENqyrI/AAAAAAAADPU/3zmT4DHqBoQ/s1600/russ1.gif

No one wants to tell me i'm wrong?

[FanboyOfNone]

No one wants to tell me i'm wrong?

Nice play. Wilson's got speed and potential, obviously. Credit to whoever caught that too. But I have seen Romo dodge plenty of defenders and make sick passes too; he's only missing the speed.

Now maybe you could respond to my reply on the last page. :)!

[ekalbnz]

I agree with you here. Valid points. And I think this is why Rodgers, Brees, and Brady have all suffered. There is this small part of me that really, really hopes Russell will take like 17 million a year or something instead of 22 million because he wants to keep the winning going, but I don't think even he is that good of a guy. I was listening to the radio the other day and they said Microsoft should just sign him to like a 20 million per year endorsement deal and then he could "settle" for a 15 million contract for Seattle. I'm sure there's league rules about that but seems like a good way to go.

For the record I am a big fan of Rodgers, Brees, Manning, and Brady. I think they are all class acts and some of the best to throw the ball ever. I'm just surprised with their talent that none of them have been good enough to put together a SB win in the last few years.

As much as I don't like the guy, I don't think Brady should be included in the discussion about taking too much of the salary cap. Brady has had a very friendly cap number for a number of years now.

[GoHawks25]

-Nick Foles is at 101.0 over his first two seasons. RG3's at 91.5 so far. No one from the 2012 class is "proven enough" yet. It's been only two years.

-SB ring and most wins in his first two seasons as a starting QB? Those are team stats, which include a 2012 and 2013 defense which was 1st in points allowed at 15.3 and 14.4 respectively. Hey, Wikipedia. Help me out here. Seattle had the NFL's top defense, leading the NFL in fewest yards allowed per game (273.6), fewest points allowed (231), and most takeaways (39). They were the first team since the 1985 Chicago Bears to lead the league in all three categories.[39] The Seahawks were also the fourth team to lead the NFL in interceptions and fewest passing yards allowed; all four teams reached the Super Bowl. (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XLVIII#Seattle_Seahawks) First defense in 28 years to do all that? Impressive.

-SB specifically? The Broncos scored 8 whole points. Malcolm Smith was the Super Bowl MVP, the first time since 2003 the honor didn't go to a QB or WR. He had a pick six, a recovered fumble, and a bunch of tackles.

-Most TDs by a rookie and most rookie passing yards in a playoff game...those are "individual achievements." I'd say these are valid points.



Summary. Russell Wilson has a great work ethic, great attitude. He's been obviously efficient on the 200 yards a game he's asked to throw. Good stats so far in his development, but...

Fans want to crown him too soon. Detractors want to see if he can keep it up, and they really wonder how he'd look on a marginal team, let alone a bad team. What happens in five years when that defense regresses significantly? Once he doesn't have a top RB in the backfield?

These are questions that can only be answered with time. His career has barely began.

I agree with nearly everything you said except what I put in bold. What star WR did Russell get to throw to? None. Although I love Jermaine Kearse (Played for the Washington Huskies and loved watching him play in college) but he isn't a star WR. Last year he didn't have any "Weapons" to throw to. Not to mention our offensive line struggled last year with injures. But this year he has Percy Harvin to throw to which will definitely help him out. And our offensive line is healthy.

Edit: Not saying our offense is bad just saying it wasn't "Strong"

[Brafcauknid]

Ok you obviously can't be reasoned with so I won't even bother. Did you even click the link? Russell literally won that game himself. His vaunted defense let him down as my post stated. That is what you were asking for, a box score and you got one.

You cant "literally" win a game by yourself if the box score shows you lost the game by 2 points....just sayin. Actually a couple other reasons he didnt "literally" win anything by himself but I'll skip the rant on how much that word is used incorrectly these days.

Anyways, Wilson is good, seahawks are good but it's easy to start calling for a repeat before preseason is over. Lets see whats happening a couple months down the road.

[pejc300]

As the OP of this thread, I just wanted to eat crow. I honestly thought the Seahawks had the goods to go undefeated, or maybe lose 1 or 2 at the MOST. 3-3 right now seems unreal to me. I simply do not understand how a team that was the best defensive team almost ever, could be so so bad this year on defense when they lost almost no one. I thought for sure we'd break both the Madden curse and the "team that wins the superbowl" curse. I am absolutely stunned by this season.

[IronMonkey415]

I had to eat crow in my topic as well....but between us that picture that I posted in my Rams topic was not crow blood or guts.....but they don't need to know that.

[ssbledsoe]

As the OP of this thread, I just wanted to eat crow. I honestly thought the Seahawks had the goods to go undefeated, or maybe lose 1 or 2 at the MOST. 3-3 right now seems unreal to me. I simply do not understand how a team that was the best defensive team almost ever, could be so so bad this year on defense when they lost almost no one. I thought for sure we'd break both the Madden curse and the "team that wins the superbowl" curse. I am absolutely stunned by this season.

Brandon Browner, Chris Clemmons, Red Bryant, Walter Thurmond, Golden Tate, and Breno Giacomini. Quite a few contributors right there...

That's just free agency and doesn't include the injuries this year. Welcome to salary cap football. It'll only get worse with them paying DangerRuss in the offseason.

[pejc300]

Brandon Browner, Chris Clemmons, Red Bryant, Walter Thurmond, Golden Tate, and Breno Giacomini. Quite a few contributors right there...

That's just free agency and doesn't include the injuries this year. Welcome to salary cap football. It'll only get worse with them paying DangerRuss in the offseason.

Brandon Browner was garbage, so I'll give you Clemmons and Red Bryant, but considering what most people lose in free agency as well as the depth the Seahawks had, absolutely no one predicted they would be this terrible. This isn't a team that had huge turnover after a superbowl like the Ravens did the year before. It really is surprising, and it sucks. But you are a Cowboys fan, so I'll let you have your moment!:)

[ssbledsoe]

Brandon Browner was garbage, so I'll give you Clemmons and Red Bryant, but considering what most people lose in free agency as well as the depth the Seahawks had, absolutely no one predicted they would be this terrible. This isn't a team that had huge turnover after a superbowl like the Ravens did the year before. It really is surprising, and it sucks. But you are a Cowboys fan, so I'll let you have your moment!:)

Definitely not a cowboys fan...

[motu79]

It didn't help today that both starting TE's were injured, our starting and back-up Corner were injured, our starting MLB was injured, and we were heavily playing a rookie WR today.

I didn't have high hopes for today, but aside from our special teams today, I thought it was an OK game.

[pejc300]

Definitely not a cowboys fan...

My bad...not sure where I got that. Actually, I do. I mixed you up TheFrenzy. Take that as a compliment - I like that dude.

[purejd86p]

Just think if they miss the playoffs all together!

[pejc300]

Just think if they miss the playoffs all together!

A guy posted (HBMC maybe?) at some point in the last few months that he did not think the Seahawks would make the playoff this year. I went off on him, told him he was ridiculous, and told him if they didn't make the playoffs I'd give him $100. Now I'm the idiot. And I will make good on my post as well. My only hope here is that I do not think the Cardinals will sustain this success, I think the 9ers are what they are, and the Rams will still be at the bottom. I also think the Hawks have no place to go but up. I'm hoping they steal the division.

[Seahawks fan]

A guy posted (HBMC maybe?) at some point in the last few months that he did not think the Seahawks would make the playoff this year. I went off on him, told him he was ridiculous, and told him if they didn't make the playoffs I'd give him $100. Now I'm the idiot. And I will make good on my post as well. My only hope here is that I do not think the Cardinals will sustain this success, I think the 9ers are what they are, and the Rams will still be at the bottom. I also think the Hawks have no place to go but up. I'm hoping they steal the division.

If the Seahawks could win their remaining 5 division games they would still have a great shot at making the playoffs not to mention they play the Raiders and Giants at home which they should win.

They dont look great but they still have lots of time to turn it around.

[HBMC]

Russell is way more than capable of carrying a team by himself and as he matures and the team is built around him, he will prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt.


I think today's game against more than answered this question. Wilson was awesome today, it didn't matter. They still lost thanks to Special Teams and their Defense not getting turnovers.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs. Seattle Seahawks - Box Score - November 03, 2013 - ESPN (http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=331103026)
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e264/GoHawks03/wilson2_zpsf2b3bfde.gif (http://s41.photobucket.com/user/GoHawks03/media/wilson2_zpsf2b3bfde.gif.html)

That ball was under thrown and if they'd had a competent safety back there and not a slot guy on Tate, he might've made a play on the ball. Do not confuse this with accuracy, this is the same problem the Foles fanboys had last year, they confused DeSean Jackson and Cooper making extraordinary plays on under thrown balls with Foles' "greatness".

Brandon Browner, Chris Clemmons, Red Bryant, Walter Thurmond, Golden Tate, and Breno Giacomini. Quite a few contributors right there...


It's a lot harder to do a Nascar Blitz with 4 DE's when it's 3rd & 2 instead of 3rd & Long. I've noticed something with the Seahawks this year (I've watched 4 of their games so far), they're losing 1st down on both sides of the ball. Their offense is not getting good gains on First Down and their Defense is getting gashed on Defense on 1st Down by teams who will actually run the ball on them.

I think the loss of Golden Tate could seriously put the Seahawks offense in a bind for the whole year. Yes, they lost Browner, but now who's their 3rd CB? AS I stated in another thread, their 2013 Draft was largely fruitless, those guys should be contributing now and only one has a defined role (2nd TE Luke Willson).

A guy posted (HBMC maybe?) at some point in the last few months that he did not think the Seahawks would make the playoff this year. I went off on him, told him he was ridiculous, and told him if they didn't make the playoffs I'd give him $100. Now I'm the idiot. And I will make good on my post as well. My only hope here is that I do not think the Cardinals will sustain this success, I think the 9ers are what they are, and the Rams will still be at the bottom. I also think the Hawks have no place to go but up. I'm hoping they steal the division.

I take no glee in being right (for now, things can and will change), but I saw many things that lead me to my line of thinking (keep in mind that I was basing it on entirely healthy teams, Seahawks included):

The Cardinals were building their O-Line (getting Jonathan Cooper back has helped) up to run the ball and be Physical up front. They have a good secondary and prior to suspensions, a solid LB corps. Injuries and suspensions have certainly made their Defense weaker, but they were poised to be a really nasty group. Their offense has a nice element with Ellington & Stepfan Taylor at RB and Palmer is limiting his mistakes. Their 2 big & fast WR's (Fitz and Floyd) are a mismatch problem and the speedy playmaker John Brown is a mismatch too.

The Rams have the deepest D-Line in football (they reared their ugly heads today against Wilson, he wasn't able to set his feet in the pocket much at all today) and I was expecting Bradford to be healthy, well that didn't work out, but Austin Davis has been a revelation for the Rams QB situation, that guy is really good. Their WR Corps is young and they're growing up quickly. The Rams are finally using Tre Mason and he's showing what a thumper he can be too.

The Niners are still an adventure on offense, but they're still built to run the ball and are a physical football team. Even with the bevy of injuries and suspensions, they're still competitive and a threat to win. Their WR Corps is really pretty deep, but Kaep's inability to consistently accurate is making their offense sputter a little bit.

All 4 teams in the Division are built pretty similarly and are all nasty. Lots of hard hits and lots of beating up on each other. I doubted the Seahawks would repeat and might not make the playoffs, even with double digit wins, but with the NFC South being a complete dumpster fire as a Division, one half of the NFC being terrible (Chicago and Minnesota) and two teams in the NFC East being up & down (Giants and Redskins), they might sneak in, but they probably won't. They're 3rd Place in a Division that has a 4 game and a 5 game winner and they have 2 NFC Losses, Arizona has 0 right now, the Niners have 2. One of those two teams is going to knock the other out of the running this year prior to the Playoffs barring some epic collapse by another team in another Division.

The NFC is pretty loaded yet again. The AFC looks a little less top heavy than last year, but it's not as deep as it used to be.

[MasterPattie]

how they don't repeat this year.

Anyone watching them? Probably not. Russell Wilson is hands down the most underrated and underappreciated QB in the league and I cannot wait for him to hoist the Lombardi Trophy again.

Do you still see the Seahawks repeating this year??? :turkey:

[NeedChapmans]

Do you still see the Seahawks repeating this year??? :turkey:

That was written a while ago, things have changed since then.

A lot of things.

[Seahawks fan]

That was written a while ago, things have changed since then.

A lot of things.

losing the center pieces of both lines is a killer with Unger and Mebane out

[SDcardguy24]

Do you still see the Seahawks repeating this year??? :turkey:

OP can't respond to your post until 1/1/15 :eek:

[pejc300]

Just wanted to bump this thread for good luck this weekend!

[pejc300]

By Week 10 we will all be talking about how overrated Russell Wilson is. Mark it down. Second Year QB's often have it tough when teams have an entire season to game plan them.

Quoting only because you asked me too:)

[Chrisp253]

Ive managed to stay pretty calm these past 2 weeks but today im startin to get pretty anxious.. the superbowl is in 2 days.... ahhhhh lets go hawks! You got your stinker game out of the way now its time to show up like ya did last year!

[ninjacookies]

The naysayers are both welcomed and encouraged. Russ eats it for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

[pejc300]

Ive managed to stay pretty calm these past 2 weeks but today im startin to get pretty anxious.. the superbowl is in 2 days.... ahhhhh lets go hawks! You got your stinker game out of the way now its time to show up like ya did last year!

Me too! I really think we're looking at 10 point + win, but definitely getting nervous just more out of excitement more than anything. I absolutely love the Superbowl and get nervous even when my team is not in it and I don't have dog in the fight, but with everything the Hawks stand to gain in this game and just the thought of back to back championships the butterflies are flying already.

[ntgm37]

If I were a Pats fan, I would be nervous as hell. I think a repeat is about to go down. Full disclosure: I'm pulling for Revis to get a ring. NOBODY else. Good luck to both teams fans!